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 Sep 29 2014, 10:54 PM
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ok guys either you stop your bashing about religion bashing or i will report to mod to close down this thread, this things has turn real ugly already you wanna debate fine, please go to the proper forum to debate this stuff there is RWI sections for you to lash out all you want............either you shut up or get lost...........
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Sep 29 2014, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 29 2014, 10:46 PM) Not just that about law and grace. There is also preaching of cheap grace. Yes Yes Black Jesus and Buddhist Jesus.There is the Islam Jesus. Mormon Jesus. Adding to the gospel. Wealth and Health doctrines. Israel Replacement theology. Progressive revelation.  Really depends on what you mean by cheap grace and wealth and health doctrine. I find that the criticism against Grace, Wealth and Health can be quite far fetch at times. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 29 2014, 11:00 PM |
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Sep 29 2014, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 29 2014, 10:54 PM) ok guys either you stop your bashing about religion bashing or i will report to mod to close down this thread, this things has turn real ugly already you wanna debate fine, please go to the proper forum to debate this stuff there is RWI sections for you to lash out all you want............either you shut up or get lost........... huh? who you're referring to? |
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Sep 29 2014, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:29 PM) In this case, maybe we can share to help them. But not sure if they are open for it or not Truce in post #1809. |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:56 PM) huh? who you're referring to? everyone...........i am just too sick of this religion bashing been ongoing for a week already..........just feel sick reading those comments no matter how we report them mod does not do anything at all |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 29 2014, 11:00 PM) everyone...........i am just too sick of this religion bashing been ongoing for a week already.......... I think it's only left theaccountant and simpletraveller.just feel sick reading those comments no matter how we report them mod does not do anything at all |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 11:03 PM) I think it's only left theaccountant and simpletraveller. i personally think prophetjul did nothing wrong although he being an atheist...........he accept what we are talking about and he is not like others who keep on bashing peoples here |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 29 2014, 11:15 PM) i personally think prophetjul did nothing wrong although he being an atheist...........he accept what we are talking about and he is not like others who keep on bashing peoples here  Prophetjul is christian.theAccountant is a troll Simpletraveller hates all religion but seem to Hate Christianity more than other religion. So we ignore those 2. |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:29 PM
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BTW guys
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Sep 29 2014, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 11:29 PM) BTW guys bro let me add exotic discounted dell laptop n Desktop. hahamyway1985 is selling Laptop and Desktop. If you are interested, pm him. |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:45 PM
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Check and Balance
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(TheAccountant @ Sep 29 2014, 01:28 PM) If doing that was so easy, all governments in this world will not be corrupted. Then we can also pray for everyone to be saved and indeed everyone in this world will be saved. I have case people speak blessing but instead of blessing, calamities came. Then the person has trauma. The fact is, the devil is playing mindgame to build a pattern of learning that: if you speak blessing then calamity came. Therefore persistence is needed. Sample: Indonesia just have a new president Jokowi due to church diligent prayer to guard the election to be as clean as possible. Jokowi is not christian. The good thing about him that he is clean. He does not have track of corruption in his career. Talking persistence / endurance, it's not all that's needed. There are a lot of things but today i can't type them all one-by-one. QUOTE(TheAccountant @ Sep 29 2014, 01:28 PM) You see, paul prayed for the thorn to be remove from the flesh and God did not remove it. So if it is God's will that this world will continue to be evil until the day Christ comes again, then you cannot change God's will. Sometimes you can change GOD's will. Abraham negotiate from 50 to 10, Hizkia negotiate and got extra years. That's why UW highlighted the importance of GOD's grace. One benefit of GOD's grace is: leverage, negotiate with GOD, becoming his friend, etc... QUOTE(TheAccountant @ Sep 29 2014, 01:28 PM) As Christians, we should speak up openly against evil. When someone starts to twist the word, we should speak up because that person is trampling on the truth. We should feel angry when the truth is being trampled. One of the reason why God put us here is that God choose us to be his messanger. To speak against falsehoods and also to speak the truth to others. The key is authorized. If i don't authorized, i will not act. I will not wage war against evil, I will not rebuke. I follow GOD's timing and strategy. Feel angry yes but committing actions are 2 different thing. I will not speak up unless authorized or else it will not be "high quality blessing" per say. |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:46 PM
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what brand of laptop you sell? also your desktop pc? any loose item selling?
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Sep 29 2014, 11:59 PM
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I also don't know why no mod response at all. Send mail to helpdesk also no reply...
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Sep 30 2014, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 30 2014, 12:59 AM) I also don't know why no mod response at all. Send mail to helpdesk also no reply... Maybe on long block leave or long vacation is it? |
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Sep 30 2014, 08:34 AM
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Gen. 25:19-34; 27—30
God is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Therefore, we cannot separate their histories. Spiritually speaking, the histories of these three reveal three aspects of a person's experience. God works on man from these three angles. Do not think that some people are absolutely like Jacob and that others are absolutely like Isaac. Thank the Lord that we are Isaac, and at the same time we are Jacob. On the one hand, we enjoy everything in the Lord. Everything is peaceful, rich, and victorious, and we can thank and praise Him continuously. On the other hand, the Holy Spirit continually works in us and disciplines us because of the presence of our natural life. God's Word says, "For what son is there whom the father does not discipline?" (Heb. 12:7). As sons, our Father receives us as well as disciplines us. Isaac shows that we are received by God's grace as sons, while Jacob shows that we are disciplined by Him as sons. On the one hand, God shows us that our life is like Isaac's; it is full and smooth, and everything that is in the Lord becomes ours. Everything that Abraham had belonged to Isaac. Everything that our Father has is ours. On the other hand, He leads us to partake of His holiness so that Christ may be formed in us and the Holy Spirit may bear fruit through us. In reading the history of Jacob, it is very easy for us to stand aloof and judge Jacob as being unqualified for God's use and worthy of condemnation, especially if we have never been dealt with by the Lord and do not know our flesh. We find Abraham's history interesting, but we find Jacob's history irrelevant. However, if we are enlightened by God and realize what the natural life is and what fleshly energy is, we will spontaneously see that the aspect of Jacob is in us. We will realize that there is more than one aspect of Jacob inside of us. When we read the history of Jacob in his old age, we see that his seventeen years in Egypt were his richest years. In reading of his words, his deeds, his attitudes, and his acts, we cannot help but bow our heads and say, "God, Your grace can make a man like Jacob reach such a state!" When we come to the end of Jacob's history, we cannot help but exclaim in tears, "God, Your grace truly has turned a hopeless person into a useful vessel!" God really accomplished His work in Jacob—how God disciplined him, dealt with his natural life, and weakened him, how God caused Christ to be formed in him through the constitution of the Holy Spirit, and how he bore the fruit of the Holy Spirit. What is the discipline of the Holy Spirit, and what is the constitution of the Holy Spirit? The discipline and constitution of the Holy Spirit are one work; they are not two separate works. We are constituted by the discipline of the Holy Spirit. We are molded by the carving work of the Holy Spirit. When our natural life is being dealt with, the nature of Christ is being constituted into us. While Jacob was being dealt with by God, he began to bear the fruit of peace. In the midst of discipline, the fruit of peace is borne. The fruit of peace does not come after the disciplining work. While God was touching his natural life, the fruit of peace was borne. This is the principle by which God manifested Himself through Jacob. On the one hand, we have to observe the way that God carved him and weakened him. On the other hand, we have to observe the way that God wrought the nature of Christ into him through the Holy Spirit. This work makes Christ's nature his nature. |
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Sep 30 2014, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 29 2014, 10:54 PM) Yes Yes Black Jesus and Buddhist Jesus. The extremes of the grace doctrine is you dont have to repent anymore for your future sins. Afterall they are already forgiven. Sin is not preached but more preaching on the well being of the sheep rather than knowing God more. Man needs focussed.Really depends on what you mean by cheap grace and wealth and health doctrine. I find that the criticism against Grace, Wealth and Health can be quite far fetch at times. Extremes of health and wealth: You can speak them into being like gods. Part of word faith doctrines. They are part and parcel of the gospel. If you dont have them, something must be wrong with you. Some extremes on health include no medicine, no doctors. |
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Sep 30 2014, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Sep 29 2014, 11:15 PM) i personally think prophetjul did nothing wrong although he being an atheist...........he accept what we are talking about and he is not like others who keep on bashing peoples here i am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. What made you think i am an atheist? i have been debating them in the RWI religion thread for manyayears. |
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 Sep 30 2014, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(simpletraveler @ Sep 29 2014, 01:29 PM) My last post answered you partly. I don't have a religion. I study all religions and try to save the ignorant and innocent people, no bad intentions and not meant to make money. QUOTE This is how religious followings work. If you notice religious followers closely, you will notice they are the not so intelligent ones. The intelligent ones will be the leaders, pastors and fathers making money from them. The intelligent ones will not believe in any god blindly without implying logic. QUOTE Their leaders are greedy in promoting, the followers are full of ignorance. Both are basic flaws of humans, add in the last, aversion and there goes holy wars and crusades. Why so offensive?! Why do you hate us for believing in a Creator God?!! What have we ever done to you?!!! Why so bitter? Just because you see brethren disagreeing with each other and you immediately come in here to take advantage of the commotion   |
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Sep 30 2014, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 30 2014, 09:09 AM) The extremes of the grace doctrine is you dont have to repent anymore for your future sins. Afterall they are already forgiven. Sin is not preached but more preaching on the well being of the sheep rather than knowing God more. Man needs focussed. I can explain about the Grace part.Extremes of health and wealth: You can speak them into being like gods. Part of word faith doctrines. They are part and parcel of the gospel. If you dont have them, something must be wrong with you. Some extremes on health include no medicine, no doctors. I believe what they wrote against the Grace is mostly taken out of context from the preacher. They never really sit in through the entire sermon, probably snippets of here and there and the summarised in wrong understanding as how you mention above. I've checked extensively in the Bible on Grace to be ensure of, that what they preached is in fact in line with the Bible. For a long time we have understood it wrongly. We think we need to repent first in our actions. And to the conventional Church, that is what repentance is. Change from our wicked ways. And what is the measurement to check for repentance? The 10 commandments. But many Christians don't understand, the more you try to do that*, the more you fall into it; that is you will sin more. Many Christians do not understand what is the purpose and the design of the Law is for. The Bible says the purpose of the Law is to show how sinful we are, for by the Law is the Knowledge of sin. It's like a Syringe Jab to bring out the symptoms in your body. The Law was never designed to make us righteous. It cannot and will never be for that purpose* because Christ is our Righteousness. You see, Repentance is actually change of mind. Metanoya in the Greek. The Bible says it is the goodness of God (Romans 2:4) that leads us to repentance, not the wrath of God, not by being sin conscious all the time. In fact the more you think about sin, the more you will end up sinning. That is the Law of Death. Question is, change of mind about what? Change our mind to the obedience of Faith in Christ. To his finish work, , His ONCE and FOR ALL eternal redemption. The Bible says we are transform into the SAME IMAGE by beholding his glory. And What is the Glory of God? His Finished Work at the cross that give us Eternal Life. So the point is this, the more we look to Christ, we will be transformed. Anything other than this will only lead us to the Flesh because the Law is about Man, Grace is about God. When we hook our focus on what is divine, miracles take place, hook the flesh? Only Failures. We have focused wrong about repentance. That is why there is not much result in the Churches. People have been crying for revival and repentance without the proper understand of the above. About the Health and Wealth, I'll talk with you about it, another day. And NO I'm not suggesting we are going on a trip to be millionaires if that is what you're thinking. And Yes about the No Medicine and No Doctors, that is something that God never forbids. In Fact Doctors and Medicine is something that God really encourage for us to go to. |
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Sep 30 2014, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 30 2014, 09:12 AM) i am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth. What made you think i am an atheist? You may want to consider this for a thought. (just an opinion) i have been debating them in the RWI religion thread for manyayears. We are suppose to be the Salt of the world. A Light that should not be hidden. I think sometime we need to just back off and leave them be. Because the more we argue, it can fire back both ways, to you and to the other person. Instead of bringing them to God, it drives them away. |
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