I beg to differ.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.- Mat 5:17

The old covenant is between God and Israel.
It is a marriage contract of the two.
It is not invalidated by the coming of Christ, but the fulfilling of it or explaining and enlightening the law and the prophets.

Thus Jesus goes on to say:

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled . 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And brings light to the laws:

eg

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery : 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 10 2014, 02:38 PM

Fact 1: Because Jesus performed miracles of healing on the Sabbath, some Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16)

Fact 2: But the same Jesus also saying: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil the law - Mat 5:17.

Fact 1 and Fact 2 are not contradicting to each other.

Jesus purchases the law through HIS work in the cross.


Therefore the law is not "what" (what referring to itemized word) but "who" (who refers to living being). It is up to Jesus to decide this sunday work or this sunday do healing.

In indonesia, president has a right called "grasi"
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasi
President can change a law.
I do not know what's the equivalent word in English for "grasi"... perhaps "Grace" ?

Therefore HE send us HIS Holy Spirit so we operate in GOD's grace, not by law.

to link Fact 1 and Fact 2 in a simple way:
Jesus say: ok this sunday go healing ministry.... Next sunday observe sabath... anyone who is not going healing ministry with ME this sunday i want a full report and reason... next week anybody do anything but not observing sabbath also need full report and reason... mark your calender, take heed cuz I am the KING and my word is the law.

Out ot topic PS: do you know that old testament say Maliachi 3:10 about 10% of your income belong to GOD but New Testament Roman 12:1 say give yourself as living sacrifice ? (what i try to say: 100% your income naturally belong to GOD) hehehe...

Old covenant is meant for Israel and the jews for that is God covenant for them, while the new covenant is mean for us non jews.............

this parable from Buddhist is really relatable when come to this context. anyway actually a lot of people will think that, "yes the old monk break the rule but he already put down" which is wrong. the fact is this is not what the parable try to tell. monk had been trained to forget about love and lust. the young monk think they shouldn't touch the woman because he still practicing forget about love and lust. the old monk fully understand that hence to him carry woman is just like carry man. at the end when the old monk confronting young monk that "why he still carry the woman" mean that why he still bear v the thought of love and lust. when he ask that question to old monk which mean he still haven't let go that. young monk failed to perceive the meaning behind the creation of the law.

so is old monk break the law? no he isn't. the old monk know where the law came from. there is always a fundamental when a law created.

Lol ... read this before.

Again, it is very appealing to our natural understanding, [relating it to] even more of the highest morality conveyed of sermon on the Mount. And yes, it is correct that the new laws expose our inward condition: anger, lust, self, flesh, anxiety, our attitude toward others;

Man is a vessel. We are not created to empty ourself of anything. It is not even possible. Neither can we improve ourself. Our very constitution is just a hopeless case.

Rather, we need to see that constitution of the kingdom of the heavens is based upon the divine life and nature of the kingdom people. We need to keep in mind that the constitution of any people is always according to the life and nature of that people. No one can fulfill the requirements of this constitution unless he has been regenerated and possesses the life and nature of the heavenly Father. Those unbelieving philosophers and teachers who have quoted certain verses from Matthew 5 through 7 have not understood the words they were quoting. This constitution is not given to unbelievers. Because it is based upon the spiritual, heavenly, and divine life and nature of the kingdom people, only the kingdom people can live according to it. Moreover, not even the kingdom people can fulfill the requirements of this constitution if they do not live according to the divine nature and the divine life within them. This constitution is not given according to the natural life or to the human nature of the kingdom people. To repeat, it is formed according to the divine life and divine nature.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 11 2014, 09:34 AM

How about before Moses? What was the covenant God made with Abraham?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 11 2014, 09:53 AM

Aiyo.

Okay a little Bible sharing.




Don't you guys know when you accept Christ, you have fully met and fulfill all the requirements of the Law?


See in Matthew 5:17, Christ Jesus said this:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Notice the keyword there, I and to fulfill them? Who is that, fulfilling them?

Why is it that God says under Heaven, In the book of

Isaiah 59:16

16 And He saw that there was no man, And was astonished that there was no one to intercede; Then His own arm brought salvation to Him, And His righteousness upheld Him.

And

Romans 3:10: As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;


Try to understand from this perspective. IF any of YOU are able to fulfill all the requirements of the Law, Christ need not come. Agree?
This means only Christ is able to fulfill the Laws of God. It would be redundant to say that Only Christ is able to fulfill the Law and then you try to fulfill it at the same time.

And He did! He completely fulfill it.


In Colossians 3:3, God puts your life in Christ.

Colossians 3:3 - For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

And again in

Ephesians 2:6: - And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

What this means is that all that Christ is and did, Like for example, The Fulfillment of the Law he imputed it into your account.

Here is the last proof.

1 John 4:17 (NASV)
By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.


So Rest and Breath easy.

Don't try to fulfill something you already did in Christ.



Oh Yeah and about the Old Covenant being invalidated by God, here's the scripture verse:

Hebrews 8:13 - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Why?

Because nobody could fulfill it.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 11 2014, 10:40 AM

Good one.

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CONTEXT.

As said, the old covenant was between God and Israel, akin to a marriage covenant. Think God teaches divorce?
The message was written to the HEBREWS telling them about the new covenant to come to them. And its not yet.
The jews are resistant to Jesus. Paul says so

Isreal set aside for the sake of the GENTILES

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for ; but the election hath obtained it , and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written , God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see , and ears that they should not hear unto this day. 9 And David saith , Let their table be made a snare , and a trap , and a stumblingblock , and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened , that they may not see , and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then , Have they stumbled that they should fall ? God forbid : but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy .

TILL.............New Covenant comes to Israel

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in . 26 And so all Israel shall be saved : as it is written , There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer , and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

A fuflilment of Jeremiah 31 in the future

31 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake , although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

A promise unbroken.......

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar ; The LORD of hosts is his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

THEN the OLD becomes Obselte and disappears eventually replaced

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Sep 11 2014, 05:59 PM

Morning guys.....or gals.

morning ... emo morning ...

Why le?

I think only guys here. Who are the gals?

Sophiera
g r a p e k e y

Urging all Christians in this forum to come for prayer this 16th Sept (wed) (9.30am - 12.30pm).

calvary convention is what church ya ? what denomination ?

Charismatic I think but it's open to all Churches, this is under NECF, not under Calvary.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 12 2014, 01:44 PM

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