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LYN Christian Fellowship V7 (Group), Bible Hope never disappoints!
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Sep 15 2014, 09:40 AM
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CHRIST-HIS PERSON The Expression of the Father Christ is the expression of the Father. As the Son He is the issue, the coming out, of God, and He is also the expression of the Father. Because the Son expressed the Father, the Son is the expression of the Father. Christ’s being the Word is mainly to express God the Father by declaring, defining, and revealing Him (John 1:18). The more the Son speaks, the more God the Father is expressed. In the Old Testament God spoke in the prophets, in men moved by His Spirit (Heb. 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:21). In the New Testament He speaks in the Son, who is God Himself expressed (Heb. 1:2-3). God the Father is hidden; God the Son is expressed. No one has ever seen God, but the Son as the Word of God, as the speaking of God, has declared and expressed Him. Whereas God spoke through the prophets in the Old Testament, He did not have Himself expressed. But in the New Testament God speaks in the Son, who expresses Him. Formerly God spoke through the prophets indirectly, but now He speaks directly in the Son, that is, in the One who is the expression of the Father. John 1:18 says, “No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.” Here we see that the One who expresses the Father is the only begotten Son of God, who was in the bosom of the Father from eternity past and who is still in the bosom of the Father after incarnation. The only begotten Son was, is, and always will be in the bosom of the Father. The words of John 1:18 are simple, but the meaning is profound. The dear, only begotten of the Father is continually in the bosom of the Father to declare the Father. This is the way He declares the Father and brings us into the enjoyment of the Father. God is expressed in Christ, and with Christ we have grace and reality (John 1:14, 16). When we come to Christ, we enjoy grace and participate in reality. According to John 1:18, as the only begotten Son of God, Christ is in the bosom of God the Father. Thus, when we enjoy Christ in an intimate way, this enjoyment of Him will bring us to the Father. In other words, this enjoyment of Christ brings us into the bosom of the Father. Christ is the expression of God in the same way that grace is the expression of love and reality is the expression of light. When we enjoy Christ as grace and reality, this enjoyment brings us into the bosom of the Father where we enjoy God as love and light. Love is the hidden source of grace, and light is the hidden source of reality. When grace brings us into love, we reach the source out from which grace flows. When we trace grace back to its source, grace becomes love. Likewise, light is the source out from which reality flows. When we trace reality back to its source, we arrive at light. The Father’s only begotten Son expresses Him by the Word, life, light, grace, and reality. The Word is God expressed, life is God imparted, light is God’s shining, grace is God enjoyed, and reality is God realized. God is fully declared in the Son through these five things. The essence of them all is God Himself. Although no one has ever seen God, the Son of God declares Him, expresses Him, in the way of being the Word, life, light, grace, and reality. The more we receive the Word and have life, light, grace, and reality, the more God will be declared to us. To declare God means to express Him. Christ has expressed God by being incarnated as the Word with life, light, grace, and reality. In the Godhead the Father is the source, and the Son is His expression. As the expression of the Father, the Son is the Accomplisher. The Father is the Initiator, the Originator, the Planner, and the Designer, and the Son carries out what the Father has initiated, originated, planned, and designed. Hence, the Son, the expression of the Father, is the Accomplisher. According to the Gospel of John, Christ the Son came in the Father’s name (5:43), worked in the Father’s name (10:25), did the Father’s will (6:38), spoke the Father’s word (3:34a; 14:24; 7:16-17; 12:47-50), and sought the Father’s glory (7:18). As such a One, Christ also expressed the Father (John 14:7-9). He did not express Himself; He expressed only the Father. He was the Son, yet He expressed the Father. Because the Son expresses not Himself but the Father, the Son’s expression is the Father’s expression. Therefore, when we see the Son, we see the Father. This is proved by the exchange between the Lord Jesus and Philip in John 14. In verse 7 the Lord Jesus pointed out to the disciples that if they had known Him, they would have known His Father also. Then He said, “Henceforth you know Him and have seen Him.” However, Philip replied, “Lord, show us the Father and it suffices us” (v. 8). To this the Lord Jesus answered, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father. How is it that you say, Show us the Father?” (v. 9). In the Son the Father is expressed and seen, for the Son is the expression of the Father. If we have seen the Son, we have seen the Father because the Father is embodied in the Son to be expressed through Him. This post has been edited by pehkay: Sep 15 2014, 09:42 AM |
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Sep 15 2014, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 8 2014, 08:51 PM) Today Completely Healed in Jesus Name!Can Sing and Pray already! All because of Jesus Healing Grace! The Miracles of God is real! It doesn't depend on theology or doctrine arguments. People who always want to argue this and that, only hinders themselves. This is living testimony! QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Sep 9 2014, 09:55 PM) Thank you Hi Grapekey, don't let anyone discourage you, continue in the Spirit of the Lord.tjc.org --> click "Find a Church" ---> Asia/Malaysia (West)/Central Region. I'm from the Central Region. The mother church is in Taiwan. You may also look up on facebook "Showers Of Blessing 甘霖" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Showers-Of-B...488244587964993 But tjc.org and facejesus has more write up. God Bless. |
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Sep 15 2014, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 15 2014, 05:12 AM) http://www.cracked.com/article_21538_5-thi...a_ibsrc=fanpage sometimes... sometimes...I'm very sad. Help is useless it is just good to do it yourself the ministry. If you want to start your own ministry we will support you like usual, kindly ask Holy Spirit guidance, Jesus Christ kingship mandate (aka spiritual authorithy), and NCEF if you wanna open public bank church / ministry bank account. |
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Sep 15 2014, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 14 2014, 12:22 PM) ![]() Reminder: Urging all Christians in this forum to come for prayer this 16th Sept (Tues) (9.30am - 12.30pm). It's a holiday, ya'll. St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church http://standrewschurch.org.my/ saw they also post similar Malaysian day service something like that. |
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Sep 15 2014, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 15 2014, 01:36 PM) UW, this church is ur church? Well......... St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church http://standrewschurch.org.my/ saw they also post similar Malaysian day service something like that. Calvary is also my home Church, was from Calvary back in the 90s. But the Poster is distributed throughout Churches in Klang Valley. Even Methodist Churches have a copy. I'm going tomorrow. You coming? Parking is free. Come pray for the country. |
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Sep 15 2014, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 15 2014, 01:40 PM) Well......... ohh. just curious Calvary is also my home Church, was from Calvary back in the 90s. But the Poster is distributed throughout Churches in Klang Valley. Even Methodist Churches have a copy. I'm going tomorrow. You coming? Parking is free. Come pray for the country. no, I'm not coming la anyway to be honest I actually also avoid attend other church activity. coz sometimes dunno what they really doing, eg. clash of conviction. u know different church different practice. especially when come to those practice which is so contrary to your believe, it create insecurity and awkward. maybe I'm wrong. do enlighten me |
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Sep 15 2014, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 15 2014, 02:27 PM) ohh. just curious We all have the same primary doctrine that all denominations (including Catholics) agrees that our Lord Christ Jesus is our savior, no, I'm not coming la anyway to be honest I actually also avoid attend other church activity. coz sometimes dunno what they really doing, eg. clash of conviction. u know different church different practice. especially when come to those practice which is so contrary to your believe, it create insecurity and awkward. maybe I'm wrong. do enlighten me He is the son of God and by his blood, his punishment, our Faith in Him, God credit as Righteousness and we have been cleansed of our sins and reconciled to God. That can never be taken away neither argued no matter what, Christ Jesus is our point of unity. Then we have secondary doctrines, for example like things pertaining Church order of service, speaking in tongues, healing, miracles, etc. I leave Secondary doctrines to each personal convictions. I don't think it's right to force down people's throat with our own doctrine or judge with condemnation. Why this is Rightly so? Because We all have different spiritual experiences and we all learn and grow differently from each Christians. If any Christians says he knows everything there is to know about God and that This or That is how it's suppose to be, He deceives himself with pride. There is No 1 person or any denominations that has the complete revelation of God word. God reveals it in his own time and will in long periods of time. Look at how the Church progressed from the early days, the dark ages until now. If God is patience in giving revelations, I think we should be patience with people as well. I've attended few denominations conventions, meetings. All I can say is, We are all in the same body of Christ. The Holy Spirit of God in us unites, never divides. I can learn a thing or 2 when I attend different denomination's activity but I never stop growing. It's hard to grow and learn when you keep yourself in the same spot, know what I mean? What normally causes division is due to lack of knowledge and fear. When you listen to people's words that teaches fear and insecurity it's usually the spirit of the Anti-Christ, not of God. but don't let fear stop you because the Spirit of God in you is suppose to make you bold, not timid. Whatever people say, you don't have to be afraid, the Holy Spirit in you, teaches and will guide you into all truth. Notice that it's future present tense? that means it's ever developing. It's not stagnant! The Holy Spirit is our guarantee and comfort., when you hear the truth, you will know it. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 15 2014, 03:30 PM |
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Sep 15 2014, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 15 2014, 09:41 AM) Today Completely Healed in Jesus Name! Omg UW Praise God! Can Sing and Pray already! All because of Jesus Healing Grace! The Miracles of God is real! It doesn't depend on theology or doctrine arguments. People who always want to argue this and that, only hinders themselves. This is living testimony! Hi Grapekey, don't let anyone discourage you, continue in the Spirit of the Lord. |
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Sep 15 2014, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 15 2014, 04:28 PM) We all have the same primary doctrine that all denominations (including Catholics) agrees that our Lord Christ Jesus is our savior, Same church / denomination got their own bible. Last time I heard a church / denomination took the book of James out. He is the son of God and by his blood, his punishment, our Faith in Him, God credit as Righteousness and we have been cleansed of our sins and reconciled to God. That can never be taken away neither argued no matter what, Christ Jesus is our point of unity. Then we have secondary doctrines, for example like things pertaining Church order of service, speaking in tongues, healing, miracles, etc. I leave Secondary doctrines to each personal convictions. I don't think it's right to force down people's throat with our own doctrine or judge with condemnation. Why this is Rightly so? Because We all have different spiritual experiences and we all learn and grow differently from each Christians. If any Christians says he knows everything there is to know about God and that This or That is how it's suppose to be, He deceives himself with pride. There is No 1 person or any denominations that has the complete revelation of God word. God reveals it in his own time and will in long periods of time. Look at how the Church progressed from the early days, the dark ages until now. If God is patience in giving revelations, I think we should be patience with people as well. I've attended few denominations conventions, meetings. All I can say is, We are all in the same body of Christ. The Holy Spirit of God in us unites, never divides. I can learn a thing or 2 when I attend different denomination's activity but I never stop growing. It's hard to grow and learn when you keep yourself in the same spot, know what I mean? What normally causes division is due to lack of knowledge and fear. When you listen to people's words that teaches fear and insecurity it's usually the spirit of the Anti-Christ, not of God. but don't let fear stop you because the Spirit of God in you is suppose to make you bold, not timid. Whatever people say, you don't have to be afraid, the Holy Spirit in you, teaches and will guide you into all truth. Notice that it's future present tense? that means it's ever developing. It's not stagnant! The Holy Spirit is our guarantee and comfort., when you hear the truth, you will know it. |
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Sep 15 2014, 04:07 PM
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Sep 15 2014, 04:28 PM
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Sep 15 2014, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 15 2014, 03:28 PM) We all have the same primary doctrine that all denominations (including Catholics) agrees that our Lord Christ Jesus is our savior, thanks UW, how assuring! I didn't know that it was regarded as primary and secondary doctrine. i only think that all church practice is their primary doctrine? thanks for enlighten me.He is the son of God and by his blood, his punishment, our Faith in Him, God credit as Righteousness and we have been cleansed of our sins and reconciled to God. That can never be taken away neither argued no matter what, Christ Jesus is our point of unity. Then we have secondary doctrines, for example like things pertaining Church order of service, speaking in tongues, healing, miracles, etc. I leave Secondary doctrines to each personal convictions. I don't think it's right to force down people's throat with our own doctrine or judge with condemnation. Why this is Rightly so? Because We all have different spiritual experiences and we all learn and grow differently from each Christians. If any Christians says he knows everything there is to know about God and that This or That is how it's suppose to be, He deceives himself with pride. There is No 1 person or any denominations that has the complete revelation of God word. God reveals it in his own time and will in long periods of time. Look at how the Church progressed from the early days, the dark ages until now. If God is patience in giving revelations, I think we should be patience with people as well. I've attended few denominations conventions, meetings. All I can say is, We are all in the same body of Christ. The Holy Spirit of God in us unites, never divides. I can learn a thing or 2 when I attend different denomination's activity but I never stop growing. It's hard to grow and learn when you keep yourself in the same spot, know what I mean? What normally causes division is due to lack of knowledge and fear. When you listen to people's words that teaches fear and insecurity it's usually the spirit of the Anti-Christ, not of God. but don't let fear stop you because the Spirit of God in you is suppose to make you bold, not timid. Whatever people say, you don't have to be afraid, the Holy Spirit in you, teaches and will guide you into all truth. Notice that it's future present tense? that means it's ever developing. It's not stagnant! The Holy Spirit is our guarantee and comfort., when you hear the truth, you will know it. u spoken my concern, the mentioned "secondary doctrine". so wise of u u also spoken my feeling. first thing is not bold and fear of other challenge. but on the other hand, not everyone think like u, and they will insist on their believe even though they didn't satisfied ur doubt. tend to become argument most of the time and this was the thing i wanna avoid la. |
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Sep 15 2014, 04:37 PM
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About the social help thing. I want to save people but I'm too weak to do so, emotionally and physically.
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Sep 15 2014, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Sep 15 2014, 02:27 PM) ohh. just curious exactly bro ... some too focus in holy spirit, scream and cry and shout ... some maybe from yehovah witnesses ... some church of god korea ... better stay in some pure and traditional church such as DUMC, EVANGELICAL, METHODIST, FGA ...no, I'm not coming la anyway to be honest I actually also avoid attend other church activity. coz sometimes dunno what they really doing, eg. clash of conviction. u know different church different practice. especially when come to those practice which is so contrary to your believe, it create insecurity and awkward. maybe I'm wrong. do enlighten me |
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Sep 15 2014, 09:10 PM
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Sep 16 2014, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Sep 15 2014, 09:10 PM) Have you considered sharing your problem with local leader about your problem ? many people wants to invest in your live, as long as you give a chance. Not sure if understand. But people are already ministering in here. Issues is trusting that they don't exploit people...It's very offputting that every Christian organization is now associated with paedophiles and corruption. Try to defend, all sorts of gritty personal stories spew out. Semua also salah. This post has been edited by Sophiera: Sep 16 2014, 12:45 AM |
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Sep 16 2014, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Sep 15 2014, 09:41 AM) Today Completely Healed in Jesus Name! I fear for you.Can Sing and Pray already! All because of Jesus Healing Grace! The Miracles of God is real! It doesn't depend on theology or doctrine arguments. People who always want to argue this and that, only hinders themselves. This is living testimony! Hi Grapekey, don't let anyone discourage you, continue in the Spirit of the Lord. You accept the True Jesus church as True? If you are not one of them, They don't accept you as True. The Mormons have many healing testimonies as well. Do you accept them as True? Do not chase after signs and wonders. There are many warnings in the bible about this. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works- 2 Cor 11 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? - Mat 7 TEST everything after the scriptures(doctrines). I dread the Christians who laugh at doctrines and theology. They are the ones who will get deceived. Worse, they lead others to be deceived. Even Paul was tested by the Bereans 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so. - Acts 17 |
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Sep 16 2014, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Sep 16 2014, 12:44 AM) Not sure if understand. But people are already ministering in here. Issues is trusting that they don't exploit people... If the issue is trust, there are many way to resolve it. But have you considered start your own ministry ? with donation from people, you personally supervise all detail of the ministry or hands on the ministry yourself.It's very offputting that every Christian organization is now associated with paedophiles and corruption. Try to defend, all sorts of gritty personal stories spew out. Semua also salah. |
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Sep 16 2014, 01:41 PM
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Sep 17 2014, 06:28 PM
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Guys guys guys I found the breed of dog usually referred in the bible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rms6s3VHpE It's the Canaan, one of the oldest and rarest breeds in modern day. When the Bible talks about dogs, most likely they look like this. |
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