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 Your Car's FUEL CONSUMPTION, needs info, please...Topic merged..again

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BelaCHAN
post Dec 28 2020, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Dec 28 2020, 08:49 PM)
By right your Passat should be doing slightly better than 10.5L/100km due to bigger engine and higher gear ratio = Lower Rpm / More relaxed engine .
After all it was designed for the autobahn.

Just for comparison my Exora when doing 130 constantly it does around 9.xL/100km , close to 10L.

As for your saga, well the older Campro engine wasnt designed to be fuel efficient even with the IAFM add on which only mask the torque problem.
Newer VVT protons are much more fuel efficient.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 28 2020, 09:01 PM)
it's not as simple as modern turbo + dct... it's all about matching engine power/torque with good gear ratios for the weight+load of the car

I drove a 3.5L NA, normal 6 speed auto, 2000kg 8 seater once, and it does better than your 9.5km/l...
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Haha, my left foot is quite heavy, so fuel efficiency is not my priority =D

I'm more surprised of the same fuel economy between a large car vs a small one =D
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post Dec 29 2020, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Dec 28 2020, 04:42 PM)
Car Type                : Proton Saga BLM 1.3 (5MT)
Driving Condition    : Highway 95% + City 5%
Petrol Used            : Petronas 95
Fuel Consumption (self measured) : 9.5km/L or 10.5L/100km
Average Speed       : 120km/h
Top Cruising speed  : 160km/h
Mileage                  : 38X'XXX km
Mileage / year         : 45'000 km
Engine Modification : None, NEW Intake air filter every 5000km.
Car Type                : VW Passat B8 2.0HL (6DCT)
Driving Condition    : Highway 80% + City 20%
Petrol Used            : Petronas 95
Fuel Consumption (self measured) : 9.5km/L or 10.5L/100km
Average Speed       : 130km/h
Top Cruising speed  : 170km/h
Mileage                  : 10'XXX km
Mileage / year         : ?????
Engine Modification : None, NEW Intake air filter every 10'000km.

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Both same driving style (up to capability of engine) =D

Says a LOT about the fuel economy of large modern turbo engines coupled with DCTs.
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Just curious whats your average on B8 if your average is somewhere around 90-110kmh?

at 170kmh, I think it did pretty well!

This post has been edited by VeeJay: Dec 29 2020, 01:29 AM
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post Dec 29 2020, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Dec 29 2020, 01:28 AM)
Just curious whats your average on B8 if your average is somewhere around 90-110kmh?

at 170kmh, I think it did pretty well!
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Oh, sorry, misunderstood your question just now.

I've never really been forced (by trafffic confitions) to drive avg 90-110 yet (i travel KL -Terengganu often, time is late night and early morning),
but if full highway should be lower 8 to 7 L/100km.

The new passat B8.5 with slightly detuned engine and 7DCT should take it a bit further if full highway =D

But as i mentioned, normally if anyone decided for a car of this caliber,
fuel economy is just the icing on the cake (^-^)"

This post has been edited by BelaCHAN: Dec 29 2020, 08:57 AM
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post Dec 29 2020, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Steponlego @ Dec 28 2020, 12:51 AM)
Doesn't look so bad for a car that people always call as a gas guzzler kuat telan minyak.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 28 2020, 06:30 AM)
Suprise to know inspira had high fc.
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It's FC especially manual, is greatly dependant on the driver's right foot.

QUOTE(ckdenion @ Dec 28 2020, 04:06 PM)
Better than my ex proton persona elegance 1.6AT.
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yeah despite the extra 200cc, better engine refinements, dual VVT intake exhaust, tighter tolerance calling for thinner viscosity oils all help being more efficient than older CamPro.
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post Dec 29 2020, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 29 2020, 08:52 AM)

tighter tolerance calling for thinner viscosity oils all help being more efficient than older CamPro.
can using thinner oil than recommended cause engine be less efficient? usually i leave my engine oil selection to my mechanic, i don't remember which viscosity he use but he always use the cheapest option so i'm pretty sure he use 20w50 mineral. this time i change myself to 10w40, there seems to be a bit of increase in FC.
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QUOTE(Steponlego @ Dec 29 2020, 12:03 PM)
can using thinner oil than recommended cause engine be less efficient? usually i leave my engine oil selection to my mechanic, i don't remember which viscosity he use but he always use the cheapest option so i'm pretty sure he use 20w50 mineral. this time i change myself to 10w40, there seems to be a bit of increase in FC.
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Short answer is yes. Best to follow recommended eo by manufacturer. Same goes to most Honda model nowadays, it were recommended to use 0w20. But most owner after warranty ended, switch to 5w40. Increase fc
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QUOTE(Steponlego @ Dec 29 2020, 12:03 PM)
can using thinner oil than recommended cause engine be less efficient?

this time i change myself to 10w40, there seems to be a bit of increase in FC.
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not really. thinner oils, with everything else equal, means less parasitic loss through quicker fluid motion
so first question = no.
what you may risk, is less protection, which you probably already know, in modern engine oils, assuming reputable brands, that is no longer an issue.

2nd question: you need to properly monitor like fuelly to eliminate placebo.
there's also factors such as a w50 oil quality vs a w40 oil quality.
exaggerated example: a mineral w40 vs a fully synthetic w50, the w50 usually will perform better.
again, refer back first answer > thinner oils will always be more efficient. if that is the other way around for you, look at other causes/variables.

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 29 2020, 01:18 PM)
Short answer is yes. Best to follow recommended eo by manufacturer. Same goes to most Honda model nowadays, it were recommended to use 0w20. But most owner after warranty ended, switch to 5w40. Increase fc
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increase fc = worse fc = more fuel consumption? then correct.
and the short answer should be "no" instead.
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post Dec 29 2020, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 29 2020, 10:07 PM)

again, refer back first answer > thinner oils will always be more efficient. if that is the other way around for you, look at other causes/variables.

Could heavier wheels cause higher fuel consumption? Recently replaced the taiwan sport rim to stock proton sport rim. The stock sport rim is dang heavy.
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QUOTE(Steponlego @ Dec 29 2020, 10:17 PM)
Could heavier wheels cause higher fuel consumption? Recently replaced the taiwan sport rim to stock proton sport rim. The stock sport rim is dang heavy.
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most definitely. that's why don't simply upsize.
even more so as unsprung weight affects overall car dynamics (including FC) a lot more than weight after spring.

stock wheels take durability into consideration, so they tend to be heavier, however imagine a sport rim breaking from pot hole, whatever savings may be wiped out from the need to repair or replace it.
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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Dec 29 2020, 08:38 AM)
Oh, sorry, misunderstood your question just now.

I've never really been forced (by trafffic confitions) to drive avg 90-110 yet (i travel KL -Terengganu often, time is late night and early morning),
but if full highway should be lower 8 to 7 L/100km.

The new passat B8.5 with slightly detuned engine and 7DCT should take it a bit further if full highway =D

But as i mentioned, normally if anyone decided for a car of this caliber,
fuel economy is just the icing on the cake (^-^)"
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Hahaha...totally agree with you! but was just curious, since I drive B6 but I hardly get a chance to go long distance with it, since I have a SUV for bigger group of family members
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 28 2020, 09:01 PM)
it's not as simple as modern turbo + dct... it's all about matching engine power/torque with good gear ratios for the weight+load of the car

I drove a 3.5L NA, normal 6 speed auto, 2000kg 8 seater once, and it does better than your 9.5km/l...
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Both drive 170kmh, but one accelerate madly from 110kmh to 170kmh, while another accelerate gently from 110kmh to 170kmh. Both will get very different fc reading.

And as always, u will disagree with me. Sometimes its really hard for someone to accept other people opinion rights.lol.

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post Dec 30 2020, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(mffa @ Dec 30 2020, 08:03 AM)
Both drive 170kmh, but one accelerate madly from 110kmh to 170kmh, while another accelerate gently from 110kmh to 170kmh. Both will get very different fc reading.

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This much is true. No argument about this.

But you should re-phrase:
"Both drive 170kmh, but one accelerate madly MULTIPLE TIMES from 110kmh to 170kmh, while another accelerate gently MULTIPLE TIMES from 110kmh to 170kmh.
Both will get very different fc reading"

Multiple times shall be defined as more than 10 times =D

Seriously, if only accelerate 1 or 2 times, then travel on constant speed for 100km, really barely any diff to fuel econ haha =D
It's the aggregate of MULTIPLE hard/fast accelerations that affect FC.

if you comparing at at 70-110, or 60-90, the effect of acceleration may also not be apparent enough to offset other factors;

But no doubt acceleration (hence right foot) is CONFIRMED the dominant, if not the only cause of bad fuel economy in modern cars.
(engine tuning and lack of power not withstanding haha =D)

This post has been edited by BelaCHAN: Dec 30 2020, 09:33 AM
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post Dec 30 2020, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(mffa @ Dec 30 2020, 08:03 AM)
Both drive 170kmh, but one accelerate madly from 110kmh to 170kmh, while another accelerate gently from 110kmh to 170kmh. Both will get very different fc reading.

And as always, u will disagree with me. Sometimes its really hard for someone to accept other people opinion rights.lol.
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agree on your 1st para

the main point of my reply is on the first para...2nd para was to support that matching engine/gearbox/weight is important...but you make me rethink that maybe is a bit out of context here as comparison...maybe a better example is needed

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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Dec 29 2020, 08:38 AM)
Oh, sorry, misunderstood your question just now.

I've never really been forced (by trafffic confitions) to drive avg 90-110 yet (i travel KL -Terengganu often, time is late night and early morning),
but if full highway should be lower 8 to 7 L/100km.

The new passat B8.5 with slightly detuned engine and 7DCT should take it a bit further if full highway =D

But as i mentioned, normally if anyone decided for a car of this caliber,
fuel economy is just the icing on the cake (^-^)"
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curious which kl-kt road you take...via gua musang or karak?

for 5 years I drove these every weekend... lol
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 30 2020, 09:48 AM)
curious which kl-kt road you take...via gua musang or karak?

for 5 years I drove these every weekend... lol
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Bro, can travel up to 170km/h, of course KL-karak-kuantan-KT, the Lebuh raya pantai timur obviously haha
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QUOTE(BelaCHAN @ Dec 30 2020, 09:50 AM)
Bro, can travel up to 170km/h, of course KL-karak-kuantan-KT, the Lebuh raya pantai timur obviously haha
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nice. only used this highway twice after I quit my kt job... before that my route depends on the durian seasons... really missed the kijal durian...
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Preve Executive CVT. 5.5 year old

Manual calculation: 620km for 50litre full tank

Thats 8.06l /100km vs conputer shows 7.8l

12km+ per litre

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QUOTE(clockpulses @ Dec 30 2020, 10:35 PM)
Preve Executive CVT. 5.5 year old

Manual calculation: 620km for 50litre full tank

Thats 8.06l /100km vs conputer shows 7.8l

12km+ per litre
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Can consider great. My office cfe version around 8-10km/l.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 31 2020, 06:29 AM)
Can consider great. My office cfe version around 8-10km/l.
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I'm a light footer. But occasionally will pedal to metal until 180kmph. Can't get faster than 180kmph already this car

Yes non cfe variant gets better fc too
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post Dec 31 2020, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(clockpulses @ Dec 30 2020, 10:35 PM)
Preve Executive CVT. 5.5 year old

Manual calculation: 620km for 50litre full tank

Thats 8.06l /100km vs conputer shows 7.8l

12km+ per litre
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are you using stock proton sport rim or aftermarket? just found out that heavier sport rim can cause higher fuel consumption. in my case it's about 10% increase.

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