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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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bearbearwong
post Jan 14 2014, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 14 2014, 08:53 PM)
What is your criteria to define bubble bursting?

Reduction in transaction?
Slowing down of annual price increment?
Reduction in transaction price?
Stagnation in transaction price?

Bear in mind that this year there are new measures significantly affecting the affordability of properties as well as "attractiveness" of property for short-mid term investors.

So what property is cheaper today compared to last year?
Any DS terrace in Bangsar, Tmn Tun, Tmn Desa, DH, Subang, Kota Kemuning, OUG, Puncak Jalil, BK, Ara D, Kelana Jaya, Tmn Mayang, Kajang, Bkt Tinggi, Setia Alam transacted at lower price so far this year compared to last?
Any Condo in MK, Bkt Jalil, Kota D, Subang transacted lower than last year?
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2 mega projects in KV wor.. eco hill & our friendly neighbourhood southville wor.. DSL.. bungloe.. srmi bunglow.. township wor.. DSL selling 430k... flipping to 750k.. so .. u going to buy outskirt KL ? 750K DSL?.. flipping oso wont 750k flipp to how much... 1 million ah..
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM

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New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.


Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583

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post Jan 14 2014, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.
Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583
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Wow these are from transacted price?
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:28 PM

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post Jan 14 2014, 09:33 PM

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Will this bridge tumble to signify property bubble? #jokingonly

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post Jan 14 2014, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening


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I am doing the same for a few that I am interested. They show the same trends, mostly stagnant or lower.
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:44 PM

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Now is near CNY season and usually slow. I think we can see more clearance in March.
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post Jan 14 2014, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 09:33 PM)
Will this bridge tumble to signify property bubble?  #jokingonly

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in bolehland, v called it "Act of Gods" n "isolated" case.. wht big deal! tongue.gif

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post Jan 14 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Jan 14 2014, 09:27 PM)
Wow these are from transacted price?
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if i am not mistaken, these prices were taken from prowall website. Average asking price, if there are auction price posting (which usually below market price) in that particular month, then it will bring down the average price.

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post Jan 14 2014, 09:57 PM

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there will be some major slowdown, but not widespread crash. Some areas , some projects, may see discounts.
Cost of living going up, and people force to allocate more on food and less on own property. Unless income goes up drastically.
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2014 stagnant year la? gomen kacau kacau gonna take some time to absorb the effect onto market. transactions reduced perhaps worst to worst only drop 5-10% till end of the year, and firesales snapped up from desperates. den subsequent years slowly pick back up..

lesser transaction doesnt mean confirm no one buy property and drop. a family with combined income around 8k nowadays can still get a 700k property, which is abundant in klang valley. no one asks the fresh grad to only earn 2.7k to buy those high ends, right? just eventually it comes to realisation of ppl to accept old subsales. a house if after all a house, cant avoid it.

Having said that, bubble will definitely come in future no doubt. wait to the time when anything <500k couldnt be found or as the mentioned 700k prop skyrocketted to 1.5m++ only then no Genuine buyers can afford. then it slowly transit to the buyers controlling the market..

Still to be honest, our high rises catches up price way too fast in past 2-3 years, exponential increment which is bad sad.gif Good that also gomen intervene and perhaps help to correct their prices to follow back their original trend line ^.^
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 14 2014, 09:06 PM)
2 mega projects in KV wor.. eco hill & our friendly neighbourhood southville wor.. DSL.. bungloe.. srmi bunglow.. township wor.. DSL selling 430k... flipping to 750k.. so .. u going to buy outskirt KL ? 750K DSL?.. flipping oso wont 750k flipp to how much... 1 million ah..
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2 only ah? hehehe... u r my sifu..

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post Jan 14 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.
Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583
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It should consider the built up of the property, it floor level and it view facing as well to make it more accurate. Because normally small built up and nice view will have higher RM/ft, lower floor will have cheaper in RM/ft. Besides that, developer will push smaller built up unit in early launching follow by bigger built up unit.

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post Jan 14 2014, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 14 2014, 08:24 PM)
Buying for future is a bubble, be it property or commodity.
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what we do now will change the future. Buy for your children brows.gif MYR is shrinking
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:08 PM)
2014 stagnant year la? gomen kacau kacau gonna take some time to absorb the effect onto market. transactions reduced perhaps worst to worst only drop 5-10% till end of the year, and firesales snapped up from desperates. den subsequent years slowly pick back up..

lesser transaction doesnt mean confirm no one buy property and drop. a family with combined income around 8k nowadays can still get a 700k property, which is abundant in klang valley. no one asks the fresh grad to only earn 2.7k to buy those high ends, right? just eventually it comes to realisation of ppl to accept old subsales. a house if after all a house, cant avoid it.

Having said that, bubble will definitely come in future no doubt. wait to the time when anything <500k couldnt be found or as the mentioned 700k prop skyrocketted to 1.5m++ only then no Genuine buyers can afford. then it slowly transit to the buyers controlling the market..

Still to be honest, our high rises catches up price way too fast in past 2-3 years, exponential increment which is bad sad.gif Good that also gomen intervene and perhaps help to correct their prices to follow back their original trend line ^.^
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average price still up nod.gif
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:46 PM

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Dun buy prop. Prop make u jump from 14th flr. Buy kangkung. Kangkung is wat banglaland needs now. Buy kangkung pls.
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:36 PM)
what we do now will change the future. Buy for your childrenĀ  brows.gif MYR is shrinking
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How many gen y like to live in gen x built condo, apartment or house?

Typical unfounded reason given by flippers and re agents to bbb. Fair bet you are a flipper holding a number of units.

Buying Myr assets won't help if myr depreciate. To counter myr depreciation, it make more sense to invest in usd, sgd, euro and rmb assets.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jan 14 2014, 10:56 PM
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:58 PM

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wherever in KV got bubble busted or price dropped for 20% or more, let me know, I will probably go and grab it.
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post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM

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