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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Jan 16 2014, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 15 2014, 04:49 PM)
haha yeah man..

Successful investor will not likely come into these discussions cheering for bubble. In the end of the day, what are they trying to achieve and what do they gain if really crash. Smart people already gearing up on their future plans liao, not stucking up themselves in this forum shouting for bubble. Some pro-bubblers were even sour grape 5 years ago who fought for the same thing until now hahaha
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Bro dont u think it is really serious lehh prices beyond reach to majority.. and government anti speculation RPGT.. 1 million bar.. removal DIBS.. and price hikes yearly.. people coping with food .. education.. work.. luxurious overpriced out skirt KL prop I tink highly unlikely..

u on BBB or DDmBBB ( die die must buy buy buy) ? Mature area can.. outskirt 2 megatownship.. hoh seh liao.. u feel so?
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post Jan 16 2014, 12:19 AM

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[quote=Soros007,Jan 15 2014, 09:42 AM]
Slow down and stagnant - YES;
Bubble ready to burst - NO.
Landed prop with good concept + reasonable price is still a good buy.

quote=puchongite,Jan 15 2014, 09:38 AM]
Wishing for bubble to burst is one thing, whether it is actually bursting is another.

One can wish for anything, but when it is not happening, then it's a wishful thinking.
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Soros hmmm.. remember how soros try kill hong kong 97? Coz china taking bek hong kong... china govetnmnent pump back hong kong so dat it eont collapse (here our beloved government got anti speculation measures.. RPGT.. 1 million bat.. removal DIBS.) u see got chance bo? Burst.. if no ah.. buy lah eco hill phase 2 launcing soon starting launcing mb DSL 600k.. flip to 800k.. hmm 9utskiry DSL 800k?.. u buying or not 800k?
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post Jan 16 2014, 12:51 AM

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Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?

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post Jan 16 2014, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jan 16 2014, 12:51 AM)
Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?
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post Jan 16 2014, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Jan 16 2014, 01:58 AM)
After the 2008 crisis. DUDE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. GULLIBLE.
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post Jan 16 2014, 07:15 AM

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[quote=bearbearwong,Jan 16 2014, 12:19 AM]
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Soros hmmm.. remember how soros try kill hong kong 97? Coz china taking bek hong kong... china govetnmnent pump back hong kong so dat it eont collapse (here our beloved government got anti speculation measures.. RPGT.. 1 million bat.. removal DIBS.) u see got chance bo? Burst.. if no ah.. buy lah eco hill phase 2 launcing soon starting launcing mb DSL 600k.. flip to 800k.. hmm 9utskiry DSL 800k?.. u buying or not 800k?
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Correct if say out skirt too expensive it may not worth it to the exact value, but actually myself also confuse with the meaning of out skirt.
How are we gonna to define out skirt development?
PUTRAJaya, cyberjaya, kajang, shah alam, Sg buloh consider out skirt?
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post Jan 16 2014, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jan 16 2014, 12:51 AM)
Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?
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It is not banks duty or responsibility to support price. When price floored, banks can ask borroweres to top up the difference, recall the loan or auction off if is non performing.
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post Jan 16 2014, 08:20 AM

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It really should be referred to as a credit bubble instead of a property bubble right?
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post Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 16 2014, 07:30 AM)
It is not banks duty or responsibility to support price. When price floored, banks can ask borroweres to top up the difference,  recall the loan or auction off if is non performing.
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We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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post Jan 16 2014, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM)
We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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Not that serious lah! Most homeowners will be ok. Price up or down makes no difference to them. Only those flippers and speculators die only. For that, gomen won't help them.
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post Jan 16 2014, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM)
We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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Correct 3 our BNM is the only national bank in this world will guaranteed country economy will NEVER EVER get into ressesion, deflation or any economy problem at all.
Our bank will also be the only bank in this world if not universe can guaranteed flipper not losing money.
So remember fellow flipper if u losses money in properties flipping just go & claim back from bank negara, as our tax money will fully utilised to save flipper.
All u need do is PM our genius zephyrus9999 he will guide u all the procedures to claim from bank negara.

Maybe we should set up tabung GRF1M

Ganti Rugi Flipper 1 Malaysia...lol
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 09:16 AM)
Correct 3 our BNM is the only national bank in this world will guaranteed country economy will NEVER EVER get into ressesion,  deflation or any economy problem at all.
Our bank will also be the only bank in this world if not universe can guaranteed flipper not losing money.
So remember fellow flipper if u losses money in properties flipping just go & claim back from bank negara,  as our tax money will fully utilised to save flipper.
All u need do is PM our genius zephyrus9999 he will guide u all the procedures to claim from bank negara.

Maybe we should set up tabung GRF1M

Ganti Rugi  Flipper 1 Malaysia...lol
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Lol... I dont know why people just refuse to learn from history amd cases from other parts of the world. Even developed economies and country well known for innovations like Japan also suffered from bubble bursting.
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post Jan 16 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM)
We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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A well managed bank will have up to 25% of their loan portfolio in housing loan. In the worst case scenario, 50% of housing loan are underwatered by 30%, will dent the bank assets (25% x 50% x 30%) by 4% only, is well within manageable limits.

BNM and banks first duty is to ensure the integrity of the banking system, borrowers hardship is only a collateral damage in dark time.

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post Jan 16 2014, 10:02 AM

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singapore prop bubble is indeed bursting. not burst or going to burst but bursting now...

richy sgreans will continue to flock here to bbb?

msia always n forever special n different, won't happen?

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Are Singapore home prices set for a bruising?

Published: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014 | 6:20 PM ET
By: Leslie Shaffer | Writer for CNBC.com

Singapore's home prices could fall more than expected this year and unwinding cooling measures may not staunch any damage, Nomura said.

Most analysts already expect the city-state's private home prices to decline, forecasting a peak-to-trough correction of around 10 to 15 percent through 2016, with a drop of around 5 percent this year, Min Chow Sai, an analyst at Nomura, said in a note.

But he thinks 2014's pace of decline could surprise, potentially falling more than 10 percent by the end of the year.

"A potential source of this negative surprise is a weaker-than-expected secondary market," Chow Sai said, noting more sellers appear willing to pay the sellers' stamp duty (SSD) and more appear willing to sell at a net loss. The SSD is imposed on properties purchased after February 10, 2010 and owned for less than four years.

In addition, with around 10,000 units of private homes completed in 2013 having limited or no SSD restriction, a potential increase in secondary supply is looming, he said.

Another bucket of cold water on the private housing market may come from the public housing resale market, he said. Nomura estimates public housing resale prices may need to fall more than 20 percent for the affordability level to reach a typical market bottom.

"A correction of 21.3 percent in HDB (public housing) resale prices will significantly reduce upgraders' demand for the mass-market private housing market and could precipitate a faster price decline," he said.

The market is already showing signs of stress. In December, developers' sales of private homes fell more than 80 percent from a year earlier, with only 259 units changing hands, according to government data. In addition, last week private home prices in the city-state registered their first drop in seven quarters in the October-December period, falling 0.8 percent on-quarter.

Any government efforts to stem the declines by rolling back cooling measures on the segment may be ineffective, Chow Sai said.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101337154

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post Jan 16 2014, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 16 2014, 12:14 AM)
Bro dont u think it is really serious lehh prices beyond reach to majority.. and government anti speculation RPGT.. 1 million bar.. removal DIBS.. and price hikes yearly.. people coping with food .. education.. work.. luxurious overpriced out skirt KL prop I tink highly unlikely..

u on BBB or DDmBBB ( die die must buy buy buy) ? Mature area can.. outskirt 2 megatownship.. hoh seh liao.. u feel so?
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If you want to succeed as a property investor, you must get in the game. If are living a life as a spectator, waiting for the elusive bubble to burst, you may have missed a lot of opportunities already. How long have you been waiting...3 years ago people has been talking about the bubble going to burst, and still talking...it may happen or it may not..how long more..

These are the people still waiting...

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You want to wait until your neck look like this..

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Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone should just blindly jump in and grab whatever properties you can get your hand on...you still need to do your homework...buy objectively, not on emotion..no panic buying, no excessive greed..must be within your budget, don't get over-extended with debt or over leverage, do due diligence...and so forth..

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 10:53 AM)
One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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after all the long necks, it's better you tell us here if you will buy to invest now, right now.

that will lend credibility to what you said, no confusion on what yr position is.
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 10:53 AM)
If you want to succeed as a property investor, you must get in the game. If are living a life as a spectator, waiting for the elusive bubble to burst, you may have missed a lot of opportunities already. How long have you been waiting...3 years ago people has been talking about the bubble going to burst, and still talking...it may happen or it may not..how long more..

These are the people still waiting...

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You want to wait until your neck look like this..

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Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone should just blindly jump in and grab whatever properties you can get your hand on...you still need to do your homework...buy objectively, not on emotion..no panic buying, no excessive greed..must be within your budget, don't get over-extended with debt or over leverage, do due diligence...and so forth..

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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Absolute nonsense. . short & simple no overreact. .lol
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 10:53 AM)

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.
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Price appreciate or depreciate doesn't matter to own stay, can buy anytime as long as within his affordability.

The biggest mistake made by most property investors are bought at peak, over geared and don't have positive cash flow to sustain through bad time.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 16 2014, 11:03 AM)
after all the long necks, it's better you tell us here if you will buy to invest now, right now.

that will lend credibility to what you said, no confusion on what yr position is.
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Why not, if I find a good deal. Just 3 mths ago, received sms early morning from Setia Ecohill, if interested to book, bring along RM20k cheque...I went with my cheque hoping to get one of their terrace house...too late the crowd already too big...all terrace sold out by noon...just within a few hours! The terrace selling from 400+k, I think is a good deal, heard the 2nd phase launch..the terrace will be from 600+k

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