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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Jan 15 2014, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jan 15 2014, 08:52 AM)
Last night, I was quite surprised to see more than 60% saying no bubble. Optimistic people.

This morning with more votes, the votes have dropped from 60+% to 55% for the no bubble.

Interesting to see the progress later with bigger population. Then again, the population here may not be representative of the real world outside.

Cheerio.
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Perhaps those BBB fellas are mostly agents or full-time prop 'investors'.. So they got plenty of time to be 24/7 at this forum so can vote earlier (and more often?) than the DDD guys.. brows.gif

But if those BBB fellas so free to be here 24/7.. meaning the business in the real world outside must be slow.

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post Jan 15 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 15 2014, 03:44 PM)
Where to put your money, if not property...

1. Stock mkt? I believe there is a bigger bubble in the stock mkt...indexes are at record high...the truth is that it is a sophisticated mkt which most of us do not understand, where insiders and large institutional investors are always ahead of us, where you can buy at the wrong time and lose heavily. Just look at the recent penny stock fiasco in S'pore where investors are losing their pants and some really die standing...ending up with nothing...zero..further playing the mkt takes time, you got to be monitoring the mkt every minutes when mkt open.

2. Invest in business? Potentially, the most profitable way, but most new companies fail, at least 50%, and the risk of your investment is enormous.

3. Gold? The biggest shocker of 2013 was the crash in gold prices. people are still dumping gold, some said it will have further correction...below USD1,000 by year end. Some people who had invested in gold the past years now looked like zombies...or more like"hum yee" salted fish..cry also no tears

4. FD? Low investment returns and offer poor protection against inflation.

5. Forex? Very much based on speculation, very technical and super volatile...not for those with weak heart.

Why not property then? Property has a proven long history as an asset that delivers consistently high returns over the medium to long term. Property provides a secure form of protection against inflation and has proven to be less risky than other investment strategies such as buying and selling shares. Property investment also provides effective avenues to minimise the level of tax payable. Property is a tangible asset that you can see, feel, control and add value to. Banks are often happy to lend against property up to 80% of its value, or higher depending upon your individual circumstances. Property will always be in demand, whether it be to rent or to purchase, ensuring a consistent ever increasing return on your investment.
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I agree with most of the things you said, especially on equities investments. As you said, there are insiders and institutional investors who can outperform the market due to various reasons. So there is another option.. become part of these big fishes. Engage professional investment services. Of course, you need to find a good ones, and commit a large amount of fund. But from experience, some can give you 16-20% return per annum. No guarantee, of coz, but that's their rice bowl and they definitely can do better than retail investors.
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post Jan 16 2014, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 09:16 AM)
Correct 3 our BNM is the only national bank in this world will guaranteed country economy will NEVER EVER get into ressesion,  deflation or any economy problem at all.
Our bank will also be the only bank in this world if not universe can guaranteed flipper not losing money.
So remember fellow flipper if u losses money in properties flipping just go & claim back from bank negara,  as our tax money will fully utilised to save flipper.
All u need do is PM our genius zephyrus9999 he will guide u all the procedures to claim from bank negara.

Maybe we should set up tabung GRF1M

Ganti Rugi  Flipper 1 Malaysia...lol
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Lol... I dont know why people just refuse to learn from history amd cases from other parts of the world. Even developed economies and country well known for innovations like Japan also suffered from bubble bursting.
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post Jan 29 2014, 09:23 AM

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http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/mobile/article.php?id=273130
Festive Sales is below expectation.
Affordability is going down.
Good luck to flippers..
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post Jan 29 2014, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 29 2014, 10:05 AM)
business slowing down because everyone use money to buy property....so business impact slow...but property up!
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Bro, I hope your statement is a joke.

Else, it's a real estate agent's wet dream. In reality, many ppl are being priced out from owning property since 2010 or 2011.
RM5k, RM10k or RM100k might be small peanuts to many *ahem* property tycoons here...
But in reality it's tough for many to come up with these kind of money.

Earlier there was a debate on earnings.. I dont want to reignite that, but if you go into more details in jobstreet's annual salary report (it's available to the level of position and industry), it's obvious the income level and affordability is far below the property prices in the past 3 years.


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post Feb 10 2014, 07:07 PM

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Dunno this link being shared before or not.. but interesting DDD news for Hong Kong properties.
If an international finance centre and small island like Hong Kong also can experience price drop up to 15%, why it can't happen to Klang Valley?
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/property/27...rty-market.html
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post Feb 11 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 11 2014, 08:59 AM)
That's why I said use COMMON SENSE ! Is it so hard to understand my earlier explanation or pure DENIAL?
Definition of FLIPPERS means they sell as soon as VP and they are NOT own-stay buyers. The advertisements are NOW, in early February when project completed in Dec 2013. ACTUALLY ALL 954 ads u see are FLIPPERS!

1/3 bcoz some ads maybe posted twice or three times. I took AVERAGELY, ALL as posted as 3x. That's call statistic la ...
Aiyoh... susah sangat ke nak faham?

Why advertise to sell only after 2 months the project completed? Flippers la ....

You & the Amaya Girl are the most pathetic ppl in this thread. Denial is your only tactic ..... Good2 ... Keep it up ...
Let Amaya Maluri be the first crash!  thumbup.gif
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Actually, you already made it quite clear. And agree those units for sale so soon after VP are consider units for flipping.
The questions are how many of those posts are duplicates (you assumed 3), and how many of these flippers got holding power.

How many units are there in Amaya? About 400?

If there are 3X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 318. Wow! 80% of the units are for flipping.
If there are 4X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 238. Hmm.. 60% are for flipping.
If there are 5x duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 190. That's almost 47%.

Of coz, those with vested interest will says it's 10X duplicated and only 90 units are for flipping lor. Hehehe..
But i think the figures should be between 60-70%.




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