QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:43 PM)
Discussion over thenIs the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2
Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2
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Jan 14 2014, 05:47 PM
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Jan 16 2014, 08:20 AM
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It really should be referred to as a credit bubble instead of a property bubble right?
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Jan 16 2014, 01:09 PM
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Phase 1 - 400k, phase 2 - 600k. Did their contractors suddenly charged higher and they could not resist? Did the price of materials suddenly jumped so much? Did they have to acquire new land at higher prices? Was the first phase heavily and generously discounted?
Looks like costs increase with every new phase. Developers should lie to their suppliers and tell them its not for a new phase but for a fresh new project lol ok i jest. |
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Jan 16 2014, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 16 2014, 01:16 PM) Back to basic, if u study economics, here is the theory: I said 'I jest'.1) individuals trying to maximizing their utilities/satisfactions. Individuals are statisfied if they can pay less for more. 2) firms tend to maximizing their profit. Most developers are profit driven even they are GLCs. End of the day, willing buyers willing sellers. The anti speculation policies from Bnm do cut down the speculation demand to a great extend though. Of course its point 2. There is almost no shortage of willing buyers in the primary market if various incentives are given. These incentives are missing from the secondary market and with obvious effect. |
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Jan 16 2014, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 16 2014, 01:36 PM) Please talk something that you know better with a fact and figure. Phase 1 and 2 different price because different size and built up bro. Ok i just used that as a sweeping example. But honestly do you think they are that much more expensive to build? Unless ph1 is a dsl while ph2 is a semi d? Sure, which developer doesnt love profits. I do too bro. |
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Jan 17 2014, 12:28 PM
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Ya good point to note, those who can afford asking subsale prices are also flipping today
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Jan 17 2014, 02:27 PM
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If buying for own stay, no need to get emo lor. Those secretly buying for flipping will tend to react quickly hehe
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Jan 17 2014, 04:55 PM
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Making fun of peoples living condition isnt very charming either. Born in a royal family isit?
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Jan 18 2014, 02:29 PM
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Yeah its a must to have a personal backup retirement funds to epf. The govt is not being led by intelligent people anymore.
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Jan 18 2014, 03:26 PM
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Amidst all this we still have people lining upto give cheques to developers :-D
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Jan 19 2014, 01:55 PM
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Jan 19 2014, 02:41 PM
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Some people will be very unhappy. But those who buy for own stay shouldnt feel agitated right?
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Jan 20 2014, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 20 2014, 07:42 AM) They are just jealous cos they missed the boat [/tongue-in-cheek] |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 20 2014, 10:07 AM) It's a news about Pricewaterhousecooper studies on properties investment, who r u refer as "They" kindly elaborate ??? I was being sarcastic laHere's the news write up. Malaysia berdepan kemelut sektor hartanah KUALA LUMPUR 19 Jan. - Akibat permainan spekulator, Kuala Lumpur dan bandar sekitarnya hanya berada di tempat ke-14 dalam senarai lokasi pelaburan terbaik sektor hartanah bagi rantau Asia Pasifik untuk tahun ini, ekoran lebihan penawaran hartanah. Hasil kajian firma penyelidikan PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) mendapati keadaan itu telah menyebabkan prospek pelaburan hartanah di Lembah Klang kurang menarik, sekali gus kedudukannya merosot berbanding tempat kelima pada tahun lalu. Antara maklumat daripada kajian oleh firma itu mendedahkan hanya 18 peratus ruang pejabat di Lembah Klang dipenuhi ketika ini berbanding 20 peratus pada 2012. Malah, premis pusat beli-belah juga telah terlebih bina selain reka bentuknya yang agak ketinggalan zaman. Dalam senarai tersebut bandar-bandar utama yang berada di atas Kuala Lumpur mengikut turutan ialah Tokyo, Shanghai, Jakarta, Manila, Sydney, Guangzhou, Singapura, Beijing, Osaka, Shenzhen, Bangkok, pinggir bandar di China dan Melbourne. Kajian itu turut memetik seorang penganalisis hartanah serantau yang menyatakan, lebihan penawaran itu berlaku akibat jangkaan spekulator bahawa Kuala Lumpur merupakan lokasi pelaburan hartanah terbaik beberapa tahun lalu. Jangkaan itu sedikit sebanyak telah mendorong satu persatu pemaju menjalankan pelbagai projek hartanah sama ada kediaman, pejabat serta pusat beli-belah dengan harapan adanya permintaan yang tinggi. "Sebelum ini, memang benar permintaan hartanah cukup tinggi, namun akibat permainan spekulator bilangan unit-unit hartanah menjadi lebihan. "Malah, di kawasan bukan tumpuan pun kediaman termasuk jenis mewah telah terlebih bina. Akhirnya, pemaju-pemaju menjual produk hartanah masing- masing kepada pelabur asing bagi meraih pulangan," kata penganalisis itu. Laporan lain mendakwa walaupun berlaku lebihan penawaran, beberapa projek hartanah terus dijalankan sekali gus mewujudkan risiko sama ada unit- unit yang dibina itu mampu disewakan. Tujuan sebenar kajian oleh PwC itu adalah untuk memberi idea pelaburan kepada pelabur-pelabur hartanah antarabangsa mengenai pulangan yang mampu diraih oleh mereka, dan bukannya mengenai krisis lebihan unit hartanah di Kuala Lumpur. Namun, kajian itu dapat mendedahkan kesan buruk permainan spekulator kepada sektor hartanah tempatan selama ini. Kini, boleh dilihat betapa rasionalnya perundangan yang diperkenalkan oleh kerajaan seperti harga minimum RM1 juta untuk pembelian hartanah oleh warga asing serta Cukai Keuntungan Harta Tanah (RPGT) bagi membendung aktiviti spekulator. Mengikut laporan sebelum ini, beberapa kawasan tumpuan di Medini, Iskandar Malaysia dikatakan mendapat pengecualian RPGT dan harga minimum pembeli asing, memandangkan pembangunan di kawasan itu masih di peringkat awal. Namun, kajian oleh PwC ini penting sebagai rujukan kepada Iskandar Malaysia, supaya pada akhirnya tidak hanya dipenuhi dengan 'gajah putih'. |
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Jan 26 2014, 02:50 PM
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Actually its all about the outcome.
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Jan 28 2014, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 28 2014, 08:49 PM) Just wanna add when i share my real experience of what i get in return from Amaya, DDD people claim that I am lying..come on!! They are just too negative but then claim they are being realistic...when i am telling real live events that is happening in my life and they are the ones who are being truthful but i am lying... You make it sound like your friends failed in life for not buying amayaThen moderator delete that part of the comment where i finish him!!! Hey no one uses that phrase anymore? Finish him?? Yup 3 years ago DDD people say not to buy Amaya coz there is a bubble, i didnt listen, i bought anyway..now i regret not to convince more of the DDDs not to buy with me, and thats the truth. Btw the DDD i am saying is not in low yat forum but my real life friends. |
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Feb 1 2014, 11:19 AM
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To me the price is as good as the last few/ongoing transactions.
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Feb 3 2014, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 3 2014, 12:03 AM) Its already slowed down. Those buying for short term investment now are gonna experience a rude wake up call. In one utama today i heard on two occassions people talking in BBB terms. In the elevator a young girl (looked college age) was telling her bf how hot the property market was and they should invest before its too late (you know the kind of college kids that say "dy" instead of "already"). Another uncle was in a restaurant telling his daughter how good it is now to invest in property. They all talked so loud and with conviction as if they wanted to share their knowledge with the crowd. When it becomes like this you know the market is peaking. |
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Feb 8 2014, 06:41 AM
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This thread is fun
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Feb 8 2014, 12:40 PM
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That means 40% below is still ok
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