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TSyinchet
post Mar 17 2014, 01:21 AM

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Rather than buthurt on the article itself.
we should focus on the lesson learn.
The biggest flaw occur in how fast the dca sop alert the military.
another question arise would be how much we are able to control our airspace in grey areas like between border.
it show how disconnect of SEA aviation security and trafiic control.
of course it also show that how little money we invested in aviation airspace security despite 9/11 show how devastating a terrorist attack can be.
Are our military have access to the dca and atc data.
can our military takeover the dca atc role in an event of terrorist attack.
also do our immigration have access to interpol passport database in the immigration check point on all malaysia check entery point.
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post Mar 17 2014, 03:29 AM

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..macam ada harapan AWE&C di awal???
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post Mar 17 2014, 03:39 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Mar 17 2014, 03:29 AM)
..macam ada harapan AWE&C di awal???
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I guess the importance of it is highlighted, but nothing you can do if its not airborne on that crucial time

We just needs a better co-operation between civil ATV and its military counterpart, and maybe more radar sites to close up the blind spots
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post Mar 17 2014, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 17 2014, 01:21 AM)
Rather than buthurt on the article itself.
we should focus on the lesson learn.
The biggest flaw occur in how fast the dca sop alert the military.
another question arise would be how much we are able to control our airspace in grey areas like between border.
it show how disconnect of SEA aviation security and trafiic control.
of course it also show that how little money we invested in aviation airspace security despite 9/11 show how devastating a terrorist attack can be.
Are our military have access to the dca and atc data.
can our military takeover the dca atc role in an event of terrorist attack.
also do our immigration have access to interpol passport database in the immigration check point on all malaysia check entery point.
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i'm surprised DCA and military aren't sync , yeah like you said before, MH370 is a good case study...... if it's not happen , we will never knw our weakness, but the sad things its involve public.... we should hv stimulator program or crisis mock
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 17 2014, 09:33 AM)
i'm surprised DCA and military aren't sync , yeah like you said before, MH370 is a good case study...... if it's not happen , we will never knw our weakness, but the sad things its involve public.... we should hv stimulator program or crisis mock
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TSyinchet
post Mar 17 2014, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 17 2014, 09:33 AM)
i'm surprised DCA and military aren't sync , yeah like you said before, MH370 is a good case study...... if it's not happen , we will never knw our weakness, but the sad things its involve public.... we should hv stimulator program or crisis mock
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Only ground master 400 radar is sync.
We only have 1 set.
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how about vera E, is it switch on during training / hostile threat only or 24 hours non stop
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Mar 17 2014, 12:47 AM)
They claim our air force is incompetent but, 13 years ago, some towelheads grabbed control of their plane, rammed it into some towers, making it crash and burn, and what did the world most trained, most sophisticated air force did?

Not a goddamn thing.

These kind of thing, it tends to happen with little to no notice, and it is difficult to anticipate.
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if u read the official detail investigation

The air force immediately scramble jet to intercept the plane after atc contact they lost communication, iinm, within 20 minutes jet are deployed to see what happen. They are within close proximity with the jets in less than hour

But their one issues, the passenger in the jet are american, and the military have to decide to shot down or let it fly? not very easy thing to do, military are not allowed to kill American civilian. So they was there following the jet until they ram the tower while top brass decide what to do sweat.gif

So in american case, their SOP and interception have no issues, the top brass decision making

Malaysia in other hand look like have both laugh.gif


QUOTE(cleaner @ Mar 17 2014, 12:25 PM)
how about vera E, is it switch on during training / hostile threat only or 24 hours non stop
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that is classified military equipments, we dont even know where it location. could be at Johor out of range or could be within range, we also dunno

Plus, it not a tracking system like the one used in radar whistling.gif


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Air Force caught napping, MH370 could have been saved

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MALAYSIA Airlines MH370 flew over or near at least three military radar stations in northern Peninsular Malaysia, yet the four-man crew that operated each station somehow mysteriously missed the radar blips on their screens.

But this is hardly surprising since the Defence Ministry admitted that between 2008 and mid-2011, there were a total of 2,508 Malaysian airspace intrusions by the Singaporean air force.

The Singaporean intrusions are more easily detectable due to its location and predicable flight paths but what about other parts of the country?

Perhaps the air force realises this and has since equipped itself with advanced radar systems through the Malaysian Air Defense Ground Environment Sector Operations Center III (MADGE) Programme.

But then the air force failed in doing the very thing they were trained to do – detecting an unidentified plane flying in an erratic manner in our airspace.

In fact, the plane flew over Penang and one can only imagine what would have happened if the perpetrators decided to bring it down there.

The Malaysia military took full delivery of one of the advanced Thales Raytheon Systems early last year with an integrated Sentry command and control system and the Ground Master 400 3D radar.

According to Thales, the MADGE system operates in real-time and features multi-radar tracking and a flexible human-machine interface.

The GM 400 radar also provides long-range surveillance capabilities for the Royal Malaysian Air Force.

Its reach is up to 400 km and it is more than sufficient to detect the MH370.

It is now clear that the four-man crew in the three air defence stations, who were supposed to be watching the radar screens, either did not notice or failed to report to their superiors that an unidentified plane was flying across the country.

Had they done so, the air defence high command of the air force in Kuala Lumpur would presumably have scrambled fighter jets to identify the plane, make contact with it and finally guide it to a safe landing.

But then it was allowed to fly on and the rest is history. By the time the air force realised it, it was too late.

Military insiders say such incidents are supposed to be tracked real time and not based on recordings.

Hence the millions spent on the radar systems meant nothing to the nation. The Sukhois in Gong Kedak, Terengganu and the FA-18s in Butterworth, Penang were stationed there for years for exactly this type of situation.

We now wonder whether they will ever see any action. 

So were people sleeping on the job or was lackadaisicalness enveloping the air force? 

When Defense Minister Datuk Seri Hisammuddin Hussein was posed this question, all he had to say was that all standard operating procedures were followed and the priority was now to locate the missing plane.

Whether it is a flawed system or our men sleeping on the job, one thing for sure, this episode exposes Malaysia’s vulnerability.
Read more: http://www.fz.com/content/air-force-caught...d#ixzz2wBztTiGv
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 17 2014, 12:53 PM)
Air Force caught napping, MH370 could have been saved

Read more: http://www.fz.com/content/air-force-caught...d#ixzz2wBztTiGv
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There is few flaw in these article.
1. It did not specified sop between the dca and tudm.
2. We only have one set of the ground master would it capable of covering the entire airspace?
3. During the flight mh370 going toward 42000 altitude where ground master range is around 30200 altitude. Out of radar range.
4. Which radar last detect it? Ship or ground? Does it have madge soc intergrate?
5. Tudm sop on commercial aircraft radar signatures?

The article is just assuming tudm not doing jobs.
failed specified all the above conditions.

This post has been edited by yinchet: Mar 17 2014, 01:08 PM
nikita zuleica
post Mar 17 2014, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 17 2014, 01:07 PM)
There is few flaw in these article.
1. It did not specified sop between the dca and tudm.
2. We only have one set of the ground master would it capable of covering the entire airspace?
3. During the flight mh370 going toward 42000 altitude where ground master range is around 30200 altitude. Out of radar range.
4. Which radar last detect it? Ship or ground? Does it have madge soc intergrate?
5. Tudm sop on commercial aircraft radar signatures?

The article is just assuming tudm not doing jobs.
failed specified all the above conditions.
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it seems Media trying hard to despise Airforce, they all out in this case
TSyinchet
post Mar 17 2014, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 17 2014, 01:09 PM)
it seems Media trying hard to despise Airforce, they all out in this case
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Want to sell paper mah.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Mar 16 2014, 10:06 PM)
Any infos....what 11 RGK ULK is doing right now?? Or PASKAU element??
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ULK kat kill house
if you know what I mean

QUOTE(cleaner @ Mar 17 2014, 12:25 PM)
how about vera E, is it switch on during training / hostile threat only or 24 hours non stop
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vera only give passive reading
not sure abouts its doctrine
do not have any chances yet
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 17 2014, 01:07 PM)
There is few flaw in these article.
1. It did not specified sop between the dca and tudm.
2. We only have one set of the ground master would it capable of covering the entire airspace?
3. During the flight mh370 going toward 42000 altitude where ground master range is around 30200 altitude. Out of radar range.
4. Which radar last detect it? Ship or ground? Does it have madge soc intergrate?
5. Tudm sop on commercial aircraft radar signatures?

The article is just assuming tudm not doing jobs.
failed specified all the above conditions.
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just want to know more....
how many radar in 1 set GM400?
is in Kotabahru (Gong kedah) also Kedah also station GM400?

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post Mar 17 2014, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 17 2014, 02:21 AM)
Rather than buthurt on the article itself.
we should focus on the lesson learn.
The biggest flaw occur in how fast the dca sop alert the military.
another question arise would be how much we are able to control our airspace in grey areas like between border.
it show how disconnect of SEA aviation security and trafiic control.
of course it also show that how little money we invested in aviation airspace security despite 9/11 show how devastating a terrorist attack can be.
Are our military have access to the dca and atc data.
can our military takeover the dca atc role in an event of terrorist attack.
also do our immigration have access to interpol passport database in the immigration check point on all malaysia check entery point.
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if it was an UFO, why did the Air Force not scramble their jets for visual confirmation?

the military shouldnt take their suspicious off and call it a glitch... the authorities must put national security above budget... there's no excuse about it

my main question is this: Did RMAF scramble their jets upon discovering a UFO over national airspace? if they did, did they manage to make contact with the UFO? if they didn't, why didn't they? and how do we confirm whether they did?

This post has been edited by HuorEarfalas: Mar 17 2014, 06:47 PM
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malaysiakini is having a field day. they have waited for this moment for so long since scorpene and F5 engine scandal
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post Mar 17 2014, 07:45 PM

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Good, more budget for new equipment. Since they're b****ing, mig29n replacement and more radar should do, nuri replacement and sea assets.
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QUOTE(lulz @ Mar 17 2014, 07:45 PM)
Good, more budget for new equipment. Since they're b****ing, mig29n replacement and more radar should do, nuri replacement and sea assets.
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precisely
they shouldn't argue anymore after this if military wants to buy new stuff
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ape yang aku nampak dorang takde pendirian. dorang akan ubah pendapat bila keadaan memihak kepada dorang
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QUOTE(AKace @ Mar 17 2014, 07:58 PM)
ape yang aku nampak dorang takde pendirian. dorang akan ubah pendapat bila keadaan memihak kepada dorang
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depa ade pendirian la
pendirian depa = thay agree to everything that involve bashing the government/UMNO/BN

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