US and Chinese ships on the lookout..... all in one basket.... now if only someone triggered a bomb in one of their ships..... WW3 profit
Military Thread V11, #Condolences9MMRO :(
Military Thread V11, #Condolences9MMRO :(
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Mar 12 2014, 08:41 PM
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US and Chinese ships on the lookout..... all in one basket.... now if only someone triggered a bomb in one of their ships..... WW3 profit
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Mar 17 2014, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 17 2014, 02:21 AM) Rather than buthurt on the article itself. if it was an UFO, why did the Air Force not scramble their jets for visual confirmation? we should focus on the lesson learn. The biggest flaw occur in how fast the dca sop alert the military. another question arise would be how much we are able to control our airspace in grey areas like between border. it show how disconnect of SEA aviation security and trafiic control. of course it also show that how little money we invested in aviation airspace security despite 9/11 show how devastating a terrorist attack can be. Are our military have access to the dca and atc data. can our military takeover the dca atc role in an event of terrorist attack. also do our immigration have access to interpol passport database in the immigration check point on all malaysia check entery point. the military shouldnt take their suspicious off and call it a glitch... the authorities must put national security above budget... there's no excuse about it my main question is this: Did RMAF scramble their jets upon discovering a UFO over national airspace? if they did, did they manage to make contact with the UFO? if they didn't, why didn't they? and how do we confirm whether they did? This post has been edited by HuorEarfalas: Mar 17 2014, 06:47 PM |
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Mar 17 2014, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 17 2014, 09:24 PM) Like I have posted before, civilian radar signature reading (in this case 777) falls to DCA i don't care about MH370... i'm more concern if RMAF had tried to get visual confirmation when they saw a UFO on their radar...UFO, like their name is "unidentified"! Macam2 ada kat PULPAK tu bro by request mesti ada dah 9M-MRx at their disposal! |
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Mar 17 2014, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 17 2014, 09:51 PM) No, it should be the DCA calls the RMAF to identify the plane or track it where it was last seen on ATC radar by reading ur post, this is what i understand:But in this case the ATC assume first the plane had crashed, and then the SAR was activated without considering the probability of hijack or takeover For the million dollar question, military radar don't monitor commercial aircraft, and the blip they see in the radar is no different from any other commercial flight flying on that time That's DCA's job as they have both approved route and flight plan Thats why, DCA and military must link their data (route, flight plan and transponder data) in the future and better co-operation also But this also would take a huge undertaking as new infrastructure (both mobile and static radar) to be done, and a centralized air defence command (NORAD equivalent) would certainly be built 1. The military radar does not display flight numbers nor flight details like they do on an ATC screen. 2. The MH370 blip the military saw on their radar screen appeared like any other normal flights, so they wouldn't have known any abnormalies. Correct? So my next question is, how does military know if the blip they see on their screens is a threat? |
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Mar 18 2014, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 18 2014, 12:51 AM) The most common, is irregular fly route. Most commercial got a set of predefined route or points they have to fly through As you said, the hijacked (or not) MH370 followed the turn back procedure, and therefore military was unable to confirm an unidentified threat and took it as a glitch. Unidentified object if have this signature, can be classified as threat In case of MS370, it follow all the points as in any commercial including the turn back. The military see no suspicious as standard turn back procedure plus Dca didnt inform any critical information to them Any in typical malaysia style, kalau tak ada masalah buat apa check Basically both party is at fault, DCA fail to inform the military promptly and the military fail to take initiative to check unidentified object in their radar detected, they even scramble jet that are not armed in mission to shoot down one of the hijacked aircraft I hate to agree: the military is at fault because they did not confirm their suspicious with DCA, thus national security was compromised. I have been inside the ATC room in DCA Subang Jaya. The military ATC is just next to it! (same room but partitioned) |
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Mar 18 2014, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 18 2014, 01:49 AM) They can't identify the aircraft id on the radar when they comparing back the record on the military psr and dca ssr records. Regardless of who's fault it is, our military are now seen as inefficient, locally and internationally, and will now have to shoulder the blame. It's now too late to convince the world that the Malaysian military still has what it takes to protect this nation. Which means the officer on duty that night probably did not spot anything hostile for him to put alarm on. on their radar screen they only saw all commercial jet without id in its. Dca have yet alert the military about the lost planes or any security issue about the commercial jets. Until full report is out it hard to point finger at anyone. might be all parties were at faults here or might be sop not good enough or might be systematic failures as it cross so many country without being noticed. too many variables and unansweres questions. Quite frankly, I'm not too bothered what the world thinks. I am bothered by the fact that Malayian military ATC would gamble the nation's sovereignty and security by not confirming their suspicious with civilian ATC. I hope MH370 incident will be the catalyst for change. Whether that change turns out badly or better will based entirely what the government's deicisons are. CNN, NYT, other foreign press will now seek to find further weaknesses of the Malaysian military just to satiate their readers hunger. Only a matter of time before they find out several former military personnel flex their butts at some prominent figures. That story, if the press decides to publish, will surely their increase traffic views. This post has been edited by HuorEarfalas: Mar 18 2014, 01:17 AM |
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Mar 18 2014, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 18 2014, 02:46 AM) Again you are pointing finger at military without knowing what actually have happen. As I have already said it could be lots of factors going there. Until the full report is out it will hard to determine where is the faults. Sop? Dca? Military? Yes thing must be rectified like the sop, intergration dca atc to the military network and so on. Precisely for this, I am blaming the military (or the government if the military had earlier proposed such integration but was never approved) for jeapordising national security it still raised lots of question not just for malaysia but the entire aviation industry. How much control do we have on the commercial aviation? |
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Mar 18 2014, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 18 2014, 03:02 AM) Why put much pressure on the military, is not in their jurisdiction to monitor commercial flight, Then it is high time that government and military approves the budget to implement the necessary integration so such thing does not happen in the near future. They better not sit idly by while the enemy of this nation are gathering valuable information of our military flaws and plan their next attack.much less notice if anything wrong with a particular flight that is not informed by the ATC National security should be put above all else, even if they have to stretch the national budget. |
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