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post Jan 29 2014, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 29 2014, 12:26 AM)
Let's wait for official announcement, I think MAF already choose the tigers from the very beginning since 2010
And the lahad datu incident only puts the plan on high gear

Just dunno which version we might get
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HAP variant unlikely.. tongue.gif I just want to know what anti-armor missile it going to be equid biggrin.gif

I still think it best for malaysia to upgrade it SAM capabilities + AEWC + more anti-ship missile


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post Jan 30 2014, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 29 2014, 12:12 PM)
which reminds me, why m'sia not interested with Russian vehicles?
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same like why some dont like proton. tongue.gif
cheap but not comfortable plus parts can be very difficult to find. Plus some after sales service very bad whistling.gif

Big brother murica very cautious of selling anything to us. best look to europe, not the best but acceptable

China? well the name basically speak for itself wink.gif
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post Jan 30 2014, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 30 2014, 06:54 PM)
unless if from Israel then i dun really surprise

many countries in europe is considering reduction in vessels. but if we get UK type 45 then i gonna be really happy
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Type 45 so far no export client sweat.gif
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post Jan 30 2014, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 30 2014, 07:09 PM)
There's too many "very unlikely" nations out there..  laugh.gif

India? dunwan
Russia? Stay away
S.Korea? Maybe
Brits? Still expensive even used
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US..?

But the news will out if there any purchase because have to pass through congress even if used ship

China?

But then again what type of ship? Patrol boat? sweat.gif
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post Jan 30 2014, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 30 2014, 08:20 PM)
We've ady had some ships from US before like Inderapura and the marines likely to get LDP from them
So it's not a really "unlikely" source

China? Fuuuu
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If china, then it will be very "unlikely" thumbup.gif
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post Jan 31 2014, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Jan 31 2014, 12:00 AM)
China? Highly unlikely. I could only think of Italy with the 2nd hand Maestrale frigates (supposedly offered to Phil Navy, but last year Phil Govt decided to opt for new ones) or it could be from USA with 2nd hand Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates offered under Foreign Military Sale prog.

I'm more partial to the Italian ships instead.
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Perry is already quite worn out. sad.gif But then again begger cant be choosy

But what ship is actually on the list? Patrol boat is technically a ship also sweat.gif

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post Jan 31 2014, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 31 2014, 11:17 AM)
I think if we were offered high-end Chinese warships, we should take it. Really dun think Chinese at the moment designed and fabricated low quality military equipment for the defence of their Motherland..

If the ships in question are from indon, then it is a sorry state of our own local defence shipbuilding industry, which actually started way back in the 1970s, build some patrol vessel. Seems that that particular industry didnt progressed as it should be...too many songlaping and pepol trying to make a quick buck there
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the problem now.is that we have issues with china

so it quite a high risk to purchase from possible enemy country. We will nvr know if they can sabotage us if needed.
I think the army also have this in their mind when doing large important purchases

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 31 2014, 11:56 AM)
the thing is, we can ask, it is up to the US to offer us
OHP offer came out of the blue  nod.gif
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will be out in news if ask. congress have to be informed first
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post Feb 1 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Feb 1 2014, 12:56 PM)
Military spare parts which one can get easily? I thought all should be hard to get their hands on it regardless which nations.  hmm.gif
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russia parts from what I heard is very difficult to get when u are not nearby to each other. The nearest oem we can get is from india. They dont keep surplus and they only made it when requested or ordered.

military have their own market, of course civilian will have difficulties in getting military parts

american often salvage from their bone yard and keep a stock inventory. Russian is cheap but after service quite bad.

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post Feb 1 2014, 08:14 PM

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It much better to buy Russian non-moving or self-reliant system that does not requires frequent maintenance something like the surface to air missile or SAM

This is why russian main weapon exports are all missiles rather than vehicles. If Malaysia get S400 system one at kelantan and another at sabah, i think china wont even dare to fly into South china sea
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post Feb 1 2014, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Feb 1 2014, 07:19 PM)
RMAF had a bad time with getting spare parts for our Migs, even parts for our Suks is from China.

Russian stuff might be cheaper up front, but very poor after sales service support which makes it expensive in the long run.
At least with the americans/europeans service level is there even though up-front it's expensive.
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problem with US is to get parts is alot of paperworks even though the parts is available
Alot of background check and alot of WHY WHAT HOW etc? doh.gif

europian? Nak kasi duit, here you go whistling.gif
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post Feb 1 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Feb 1 2014, 09:17 PM)
SAM no need maintenance kaa?? Every hardware ade maintenance bro... scheduled preventive maintenance.
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sure need la but the part replacement like in a vehicles should be less in a mostly stationary sam system
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post Feb 5 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 5 2014, 10:18 AM)
Thailand receives 1st batch of T-84 Oplot-M from Ukraine.
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Look small, macam mini tank compared to the giant leopard and abram

QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Feb 5 2014, 01:09 PM)
aiya so what? T-84 is a derivation copycat of the russian T-82 right?

i maybe wrong but was this the same tanks that russia used during the grozny incursion? In which hundreds of russian soldiers was killed and tanks destroyed by mere RPGs?

Any tank other than those that use the british chobham armor are useless. Tanks need to withstand shape charges. Russia or ukraine are not so advance in this area, relying on expensive reactive armors. Thats why in syria so many tanks were destroyed by mere RPG used by the FSA.

I not sure if these tanks use the new russian composite armor but like i said the best armor is the british chobham armor use by Challenger, Leopard, M1 tanks.
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iinm, during a show on National Georpahic, russion tank warfare doctorate is not armor protection but small and fast tanks that is able to punch through enemy line quickly. Tank Blitzkrieg

The image below show how small is Russion MBT T90 vs American Abram

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The problem however is during modern war like in city where their speed is significantly reduce making them a sitting ducks together with not so advance armor make the problem worse.

But then again, those russion active protection system is much more developed compared to US



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post Feb 5 2014, 01:58 PM

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nope documentary on the new t-90

memang from last time russion design their tank small and fast. The main purpose of auto loader is for fast shoot, reload and shoot again, Basically tank machine gun

Crew russion no need worry, dia ada banyak orang boleh mati andf alot of tanks to spare any way


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post Feb 5 2014, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 5 2014, 02:02 PM)
You can see the comparision in size of the T-84 Yatagan (Turkish Oplot variant fitted with a 120mm smoothbore gun) from it's competitor that includes Leopard 2, M1 Abrams & Leclerc. This was 1997/98 pictures of the Turkish MBT tender trials in which the Leopard 2 won.

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look like small and fun to drive around tongue.gif
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post Feb 5 2014, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 5 2014, 02:09 PM)
Type 10 mbt ftw. tongue.gif
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i prefer K2 Black Panther tongue.gif
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post Feb 5 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 5 2014, 02:43 PM)
Meh k2 quite heavy.
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I rike it but then again confirm sink in our kelapa sawit or getah estate biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Feb 5 2014, 03:02 PM)
and VERY EXPENSIVE..... sad.gif
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I think the features offered justifies the price

M1 is overrated laugh.gif


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post Feb 5 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 5 2014, 03:16 PM)
ohh it's going to be trouble to maneuver in our soil!
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hahah, if want i am sure those south korean are willing to offer us maybe a wider tracks variations or a lighter variations

But all depends on the interests of the customer wther they want it or not


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post Feb 5 2014, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 5 2014, 03:28 PM)
Nah k2 is overrated.
The most advance tank still Leclerc tank.
but price tag gila.
anyway I would prefer type 10 anytime its tech lagi best.
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u suka barang jepun tongue.gif

leclerc gila mahal.. kelau kena destroy menangis cry.gif
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post Feb 5 2014, 06:57 PM

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most of Iraq tanks are used as arty, most of it are still hand crank and poorly equid for anti armor warfare.

m1 some even argue is not superior in battle just that the iraq tanks is inferior compared to them.


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post Feb 5 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Feb 5 2014, 10:17 PM)
Aussie give us ships? Is that unlikely source?
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most likely patrol boat or their old coast guard cutter tongue.gif

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