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kerolzarmyfanboy
post Mar 15 2014, 02:45 PM

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the new search area is seriously bigger than before..horryy shitteee ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
din really get what najib said on PC just now but he did said something about corridor from indonesia-kazakhtan-india..
the whole indian ocean..dayummm.. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Mar 15 2014, 02:57 PM

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Search area is just a general area, i think from last comm with the plane they know where is it now, the person responsible for the plane disappearance might watch the news too.
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post Mar 15 2014, 04:35 PM

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Since the new light is revealed on the plane, I guess some crucial MAF elements is going to be put on standby
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post Mar 15 2014, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(lulz @ Mar 15 2014, 02:57 PM)
Search area is just a general area, i think from last comm with the plane they know where is it now, the person responsible for the plane disappearance might watch the news too.
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hijack is pretty certain by now
i do wonder which terrorist want to hijack a MAS flight?
or is this bigger than that? involve a bigger nation?
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post Mar 15 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 15 2014, 07:14 AM)
Imo, camm is worth looking at.
Besides camm naval variant would be a good replacement for our lekiu class sam.

Other system I would look at would be iris-t sl
Meads semm gooding to couple with our madge sociii.

Pantsir and Tunguska M1 not bad.
I would to see tunguska weapons install on av8. tongue.gif
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Pantsir look like a good choice since it much more mobile, but i would see it as an intern solution or to replace our jernas rather than strengthening our air defense

The army should get a proper and much capable SAM system laugh.gif

like the patriot or s300 system. icon_rolleyes.gif


QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 15 2014, 04:51 PM)
hijack is pretty certain by now
i do wonder which terrorist want to hijack a MAS flight?
or is this bigger than that? involve a bigger nation?
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no organization have claim responsibility thus far, plus have to find where the hell the plane is currently
But it rather embarrassing, that our ministry have been changing statements since day 1.
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post Mar 15 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 15 2014, 06:18 PM)
Pantsir look like a good choice since it much more mobile, but i would see it as an intern solution or to replace our jernas rather than strengthening our air defense

The army should get a proper and much capable SAM system  laugh.gif

like the patriot or s300 system.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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with limited budget , i think MAF will be more likely go for Pantsir Missile/AutoCannon Air Defence System than S-400 system , simply more cheaper and more mobile.
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post Mar 16 2014, 12:55 AM

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i propose we tie the pipu who still saying "scorpene can't submerge" up on the nose of the sub..let them see with their eyes and mouth open whether those things can submerge or not when the scorpene's commander say "dive! dive!" in the sea.. mad.gif
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post Mar 16 2014, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Mar 16 2014, 03:47 AM)

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Yes...it's likely that the plane went to the direction of Kazakhstan or it may have landed somewhere in Siberia. Should check with radars in Myanmar and Bangladesh, because the Western part of China is less developed

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post Mar 16 2014, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Mar 16 2014, 09:25 AM)
Yes...it's likely that the plane went to the direction of Kazakhstan or it may have landed somewhere in Siberia. Should check with radars in Myanmar and Bangladesh, because the Western part of China is less developed
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so thats what they mean when they said corridors..i'll be damned if the plane successfully landed on an unknown airfield in those lines...hijackers must be professional as fark! if it's really hijacking, i doubt this is done by ordinary terrorists, this is more of a work from specially trained agents from an intelligence agency.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 15 2014, 04:35 PM)
Since the new light is revealed on the plane, I guess some crucial MAF elements is going to be put on standby
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Any infos....what 11 RGK ULK is doing right now?? Or PASKAU element??
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post Mar 16 2014, 11:17 PM

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Malaysia’s military failed in their duty says expert

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Flightglobal’s operations and safety expert, David Learmount, says Malaysia’s military failed in their duty to identify a mystery aircraft that may have been missing Malaysia Airlines’ flight MH370.

His interview on ABC News 24, will be repeated during today and appear on the program’s website in due course.

However the main points Learmount made was that Malaysia’s military must have been half asleep when an unidentified object was seen on its primary radar tracking west across the Malaysia peninsula near the border with Thailand early last Saturday morning immediately after the lost Boeing 777-200 with 239 people on board disappeared off the secondary radar screens of the its air traffic control system.

MH370 had been headed to Beijing and this is the start of the sixth day of its disappearance.

“The thing that worries me the most is that … the Malaysia military was not up to scratch”, “Learmount told the ABC.

“They should have identified the target…they should have checked it out, they didn’t and that why I think they were half asleep.”

Learmount criticised the time taken to bring the Malaysia military into the picture. He suggested the reason the Royal Malaysia Air Force was reluctant to talk about what it saw last Saturday morning was that it didn’t want to reveal how bad, or how good, its radar system is to a potential foe.

He said the disappearance of MH370 at the moment it was leaving Malaysia controlled air space over the Gulf of Thailand headed toward Vietnam was a complete surprise because until then it had been a normal, perfectly functioning flight. Then the transponder, which identifies airliners and their actual and intended flight paths to air traffic controllers, went off air, for reasons not established.

The failure of the military to pick up on the trace on their screens, which showed what is assumed to have been MH370 changing course and flying west across the peninsula, was a critical missed opportunity.

Learmount also repeated criticisms he has recently published on the Flightglobal site of the chaotic and incompetent search effort being mismanaged by Malaysia
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Nice ship picture..I'm one of target tow operator for those ship,But I never seen or on board one of the ship before..all from air only..kd lekiu didn't join SAR?
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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 15 2014, 06:18 PM)
Pantsir look like a good choice since it much more mobile, but i would see it as an intern solution or to replace our jernas rather than strengthening our air defense

The army should get a proper and much capable SAM system  laugh.gif

like the patriot or s300 system.  icon_rolleyes.gif
no organization have claim responsibility thus far, plus have to find where the hell the plane is currently
But it rather embarrassing, that our ministry have been changing statements since day 1.
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The jernas really expensive to maintain..and during our uav firing last year with the army,their radar locking system weren't working.. And no of serviceable jernas is really low.
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post Mar 16 2014, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Mar 16 2014, 11:29 PM)
The jernas really expensive to maintain..and during our uav firing last year with the army,their radar locking system weren't working.. And no of serviceable jernas is really low.
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itzit? Then i guess malaysia sam system can really throw ad laugh.gif since jernas is the main air defense system currently used in Malaysia apart from interceptor jets

should get s300 or s400 system then. Missile are sealed and life span of 15 years brows.gif
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Mar 16 2014, 11:17 PM)
Malaysia’s military failed in their duty says expert
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my personal opinion is that
The military dont want to reveal their secret radar system to others especially neighboring country but forced to now after the whole fiasco by MOD

on the incompetent. crew again this is my theory

military radar normally target abnormal movement such as super high speed, or suspicious maneuvers by small flying object. For a commercial jet it a big radar target, something the radar operator see almost everyday nothing suspicious unless notified to search for a specific target

The problem i suspect here is that, the air traffic controller and military radar operator are not in sync. When the plane lost contact, the air traffic controller fail to inform immediately to the RMAF to cross check with their radar.

If they are not informed, they would not cross check with their radar since commercial jet is nothing to be suspicious of. Though they should be competent enough to notice sudden flight part laugh.gif

so both are at fault
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 17 2014, 12:06 AM)
my personal opinion is that
The military dont want to reveal their secret radar system to others especially neighboring country but forced to now after the whole fiasco by MOD

on the incompetent. crew again this is my theory

military radar normally target abnormal movement such as super high speed, or suspicious maneuvers by small flying object. For a commercial jet it a big  radar target, something the radar operator see almost everyday nothing suspicious unless notified to search for a specific target

The problem i suspect here is that, the air traffic controller and military radar operator are not in sync. When the plane lost contact, the air traffic controller fail to inform immediately to the RMAF to cross check with their radar.

If they are not informed, they would not cross check with their radar since commercial jet is nothing to be suspicious of. Though they should be competent enough to notice sudden flight part  laugh.gif

so both are at fault
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you are correct
problem with these public media is that they don't know how military works

and there's some articles i saw on internet that said some military like India didn't even switched on some of their radars..they only activate it when ordered to..reason for that is money..they say to switched the radar on all the time cost too much money and only big-spending nation like US, Russia are able to do that..don't know if these are true..

also, some news/forum say we lack modern 3D radar..we dun have 3D radar? blink.gif
i don't know much about that..our armed forces are pretty secretive in these things..but we know they done all their best..
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 17 2014, 12:22 AM)
you are correct
problem with these public media is that they don't know how military works

and there's some articles i saw on internet that said some military like India didn't even switched on some of their radars..they only activate it when ordered to..reason for that is money..they say to switched the radar on all the time cost too much money and only big-spending nation like US, Russia are able to do that..don't know if these are true..

also, some news/forum say we lack modern 3D radar..we dun have 3D radar?  blink.gif
i don't know much about that..our armed forces are pretty secretive in these things..but we know they done all their best..
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It on most of the time but it not like those radar used in US or russia. Those are big and very sophisticated and can identify a variety of target laugh.gif

i believe malaysia one is located at certain strategic place only, thus explaining the limited coverage
but since the radar data will be release, so most country will know our radar capabilities soon rolleyes.gif

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They claim our air force is incompetent but, 13 years ago, some towelheads grabbed control of their plane, rammed it into some towers, making it crash and burn, and what did the world most trained, most sophisticated air force did?

Not a goddamn thing.

These kind of thing, it tends to happen with little to no notice, and it is difficult to anticipate.

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