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Financial Cukai Pintu Explained, Cukai Pintu/Assessment Rate issue in KL

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post Jan 6 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:17 PM)
Actually, all the details on income and expenditure for the current year and before are all available in the Mayor's Budget speeches here:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=en

The projection is based on previous years' income and expenditure for DBKL, extrapolating each factor and plotting its trajectory as a whole.
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Thank you. Probably it will be wise to have a source link so ppl like me would not be asking similar question i.e. pointed to one link then need to clarify before getting another link.

Just an input.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Jan 6 2014, 11:15 PM)
chief, i read every post before posting but only they know whether they have access to the P&L.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 6 2014, 11:18 PM)
This format is a challenge to the professionalism of the way bank's valuation method. It's contradicting.

Anw to for ur unconvincing method.
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This is for land with no buildings on it. Your objection is duly noted. Should you feel strongly about the matter, please write a letter to DBKL using the information provided earlier.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Jan 6 2014, 11:19 PM)
Thank you. Probably it will be wise to have a source link so ppl like me would not be asking similar question i.e. pointed to one link then need to clarify before getting another link.

Just an input.
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Understood. The earlier link is to simplify the projection for the next five years based on our findings and DBKL as a source.

It is possible to gain similar insight using DBKL's past budgets as a source, which I have provided.


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 6 2014, 11:18 PM)
This format is a challenge to the professionalism of the way bank's valuation method. It's contradicting.

Anw tq for ur unconvincing method.
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Slight correction. Many banks leave the valuation job and methodology to certified professional valuation company which is governed by the board of valuers. So whatever valuation methodology used by those valuers might not be known to the bank. However I think a lot follows the same methodology used by UK surveyors since we were once colonized by them, eg our common law also links back to UK common law.
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 05:51 PM)
Actually, DBKL maintains 2,010km of roads in KL and they constantly build new ones.

The roads you are referring to are expressways and highways. Tolls, highways and expressways are another matter, handled by other entities.
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lets put aside highway and expressways.. look at cheras toll, jln Ipoh toll and jln Pahang toll. it had been decades we are paying travelling here from. what difference is that except road widening mar.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Jan 6 2014, 11:24 PM)
Slight correction. Many banks leave the valuation job and methodology to certified professional valuation company which is governed by the board of valuers. So whatever valuation methodology used by those valuers might not be known to the bank. However I think a lot follows the same methodology used by UK surveyors since we were once colonized by them, eg our common law also links back to UK common law.
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Noted boss.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Jan 6 2014, 11:21 PM)
Cost rise but their income also increased. Last time where got so many condo?

Take cyberjaya as example, it is the same number of road but a lot of units, say 50000 more units with RM200 each unit = RM10m additional income yearly even without price hike, and DBKL do not maintain condo except for garbage collection.

Do you need RM10m to collect garbage?  brows.gif
Do you even need additional 50%-100% income to collect garbage?  icon_idea.gif
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Actually, the cost to handle garbage for 2013 was RM199.7 million. And that is not the only operating cost for City Hall. There are rivers, drainage, hawker centers, sports halls, recreational courts, 19 public parks and over 70,000 public housing units, to name a few under City Hall's care.

KL has 2,010km worth of roads. We do not have the stats for Cyberjaya, but it is expected to be less.

Yes, there has been an increase in income from the past 21 years due to the increasing number of property units. However, this also means there is an increasing number of people in KL.

In fact, officially, KL now has 1.6 million residents which makes up a total 2.2 million working here every day.

This high number of people puts a strain on the city's facilities and amenities. Thus, maintenance costs rise with the addition of more people.

KL is also the capital of Malaysia, which means it strives to be the best city and provide the best facilities and amenities. This requires a huge amount of money as disclosed in the mayor's annual budget speeches.

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 11:30 PM
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When more high rises are built, mean less flat lands to be taken care of. More so when high rises consist of more units per acre means higher income collecting vs less area to maintain. Furthermore strata high rises have their own maintenance team which do not need any help from dbkl. I find no reason they increase the burden of rakyats just for their own benefit.

Btw do you mean more population caused more rubbish that's why dbkl needs more money??? But still dun see a cleaner kl. And what did dbkl do to stop flash flood??? Perancang that dun rancang???
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Ok how about of the RM199.7 million spent in 2013 to handle garbage how was this money used? Which part of KL required the most expenditure, which part of garbage collection is outsourced, how many trucks need to be in operation. If the root cost of rising cost is INEFFICIENCY then DBKL is just passing the buck right. Nowadays we are expected to do more with less, so why can't DBKL.


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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:28 PM)
Actually, the cost to handle garbage for 2013 was RM199.7 million. And that is not the only operating cost for City Hall. There are rivers, drainage, hawker centers, sports halls, recreational courts, 19 public parks and over 70,000 public housing units, to name a few under City Hall's care.

KL has 2,010km worth of roads. We do not have the stats for Cyberjaya, but it is expected to be less.

Yes, there has been an increase in income from the past 21 years due to the increasing number of property units. However, this also means there is an increasing number of people in KL.

In fact, officially, KL now has 1.6 million residents which makes up a total 2.2 million working here every day.

This high number of people puts a strain on the city's facilities and amenities. Thus, maintenance costs rise with the addition of more people.

KL is also the capital of Malaysia, which means it strives to be the best city and provide the best facilities and amenities. This requires a huge amount of money as disclosed in the mayor's annual budget speeches.
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you must be kidding me, go to KL town are for example petaling street. u see a lot of foreigners, beggers, kutu-rayau and illegal aliens stray along the area. those sampah masyarakat tarnish the area making life difficult for shop owners. not forgetting adding burdens to DBKL to maintain the infra. they steal, rob, destroy public ammenities. they also urinate at residence and commercial areas. making hell of stench for all. yet unfair residence are paying on their behalf. they collect money from dbkl parking lots. whereby we already paid and those freaks scrathes our cars and puncture our tyres. this is seriously alarming bad.

why not dbkl enforcement officers come nab them all. show no mercy and teach them a lesson they never forget. the govt has to do their part also to deprive them from coming back.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 6 2014, 11:35 PM)
When more high rises are built, mean less flat lands to be taken care of. More so when high rises consist of more units per acre means higher income collecting vs less area to maintain. Furthermore strata high rises have their own maintenance team which do not need any help from dbkl. I find no reason they increase the burden of rakyats just for their own benefit. 

Btw do you mean more population caused more rubbish that's why dbkl needs more money??? But still dun see a cleaner kl. And what did dbkl do to stop flash flood??? Perancang that dun rancang???
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It is not just rubbish, which eats into 14% of City Hall's budget last year. There are numerous other things that needs to be taken care of, such as roads, rivers, traffic systems, pedestrian walks, public parks, recreational centers, sports halls, etc.

The electricity bill for traffic lights alone costs over RM12 million.

And that is just maintenance.

City Hall or DBKL also develops the city. Last year, DBKL built 35 roads at a cost of over RM170 million. That's just roads. There are many other things that are being built and are part of the development cost.


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QUOTE(grifterfmj @ Jan 6 2014, 11:36 PM)
Ok how about of the RM199.7 million spent in 2013 to handle garbage how was this money used? Which part of KL required the most expenditure, which part of garbage collection is outsourced, how many trucks need to be in operation. If the root cost of rising cost is INEFFICIENCY then DBKL is just passing the buck right. Nowadays we are expected to do more with less, so why can't DBKL.
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All DBKL accounts are audited. If you have any tangible evidence as to inefficiency, please lodge a complaint to DBKL using the information we have provided earlier.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 6 2014, 11:42 PM)
you must be kidding me, go to KL town are for example petaling street. u see a lot of foreigners, beggers, kutu-rayau and illegal aliens stray along the area. those sampah masyarakat tarnish the area making life difficult for shop owners. not forgetting adding burdens to DBKL to maintain the infra. they steal, rob, destroy public ammenities. they also urinate at residence and commercial areas. making hell of stench for all. yet unfair residence are paying on their behalf. they collect money from dbkl parking lots. whereby we already paid and those freaks scrathes our cars and puncture our tyres. this is seriously alarming bad.

why not dbkl enforcement officers come nab them all. show no mercy and teach them a lesson they never forget. the govt has to do their part also to deprive them from coming back.
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You can raise this issue and report any of these incursions against justice and the country's laws to DBKL using the information we have provided above.

We agree that destroying public facilities and amenities will cause the cost to maintain the city to go higher. The public can also help by instilling a strong sense of civic duty in order to combat vandalism.


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post Jan 6 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:44 PM)
All DBKL accounts are audited. If you have any tangible evidence as to inefficiency, please lodge a complaint to DBKL using the information we have provided earlier.
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What evidence do you want? Take a look around and open your eyes, the main angst on the hike is because many people perceive DBKL to be incompetent and inefficient by providing an inadequate level of service.

I am telling you DBKL is inefficient, you tell me to lodge report. rclxub.gif

I am not asking you whether or not their accounts are audited, I am asking you how was the money spent? Instead of raising the cukai is it not possible DBKL can reduce their costs?
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After the elections, the roads around my house were all nicely done up. Thanks to DBKL for that.

However, a lot of drain covers are missing and this is dangerous to pedestrians. Don't DBKL have some one to do checks on this ? I am talking about a major roads ie Jalan Ampang itself and not some small road far from city centre.

Along Jalan Raja Chulan in front of Pavillion, tourist buses always park by the road side even during rush hours.
I know Pavillion has parking spot for tourist buses but it is not used for these buses.
For the sake of say 120 tourist from say 3 buses to go shopping, thousands of Malaysian cars has to endure a jam as the buses reduce the road by one lane.
I have called SPAD and complained before but it is still happening.
Is this the responsibility of the traffic police, SPAD of DBKL to ensure the tourist buses are not blocking the road ?
When you go to other countries like Singapore and Hong Kong the tour buses dare not even stop too long on the road as they get fined.

Why is DBKL is slower than MPAJ to issue the assessment notice ? I have already paid the assessment for Jan to Jun 2014 for my property under MPAj but yet to receive the assessment notice from DBKL. Even the assessment for 1st half of 2013 was issued late.

Lastly, you mentioned that if I stay in the property then there is some discount but I have to write in. What documents is required to be submitted and what is the discount ?

Appreciate you clarification to the above.

PS I am quite happy with the new rates as I am paying less for assessment due to the reduction to 4%
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:42 PM)
It is not just rubbish, which eats into 14% of City Hall's budget last year. There are numerous other things that needs to be taken care of, such as roads, rivers, traffic systems, pedestrian walks, public parks, recreational centers, sports halls, etc.

The electricity bill for traffic lights alone costs over RM12 million.

And that is just maintenance.

City Hall or DBKL also develops the city. Last year, DBKL built 35 roads at a cost of over RM170 million. That's just roads. There are many other things that are being built and are part of the development cost.
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Can you show some solid documents for the 170mil spent on building roads???

Otw it's just another empty talk.

Or do you know that many roads around all developments require the developers or land owners to bear the costs???

Anw thanks again for your not so convincing reply.

Btw I will suggest you get it right the the tnb bill before you continue. Please breakdown the figure / total street lamps. Then you will be surprise. If you know what I'm trying to tell you.
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QUOTE(grifterfmj @ Jan 6 2014, 11:51 PM)
What evidence do you want? Take a look around and open your eyes, the main angst on the hike is because many people perceive DBKL to be incompetent and inefficient by providing an inadequate level of service.

I am telling you DBKL is inefficient, you tell me to lodge report.  rclxub.gif

I am not asking you whether or not their accounts are audited, I am asking you how was the money spent? Instead of raising the cukai is it not possible DBKL can reduce their costs?
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Such allegations would require documented proof. There are departments handling complaints within DBKL itself. You can help DBKL provide a better service by complaining to them officially and going through the proper channels.


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 6 2014, 11:53 PM)
Can you show some solid documents for the 170mil spent on building roads???

Otw it's just another empty talk.

Or do you know that many roads around all developments require the developers or land owners to bear the costs???

Anw thanks again for your not so convincing reply.

Btw I will suggest you get it right the the tnb bill before you continue. Please breakdown the figure / total street lamps. Then you will be surprise. If you know what I'm trying to tell you.
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You can find the statement on the 35 new roads here in the Mayor's budget speech for 2013:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/penerbitan/ucapan_b...nbajet_2013.pdf

What are you trying to tell me?
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:46 PM)
You can raise this issue and report any of these incursions against justice and the country's laws to DBKL using the information we have provided above.

We agree that destroying public facilities and amenities will cause the cost to maintain the city to go higher. The public can also help by instilling a strong sense of civic duty in order to combat vandalism.
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like i already said the maintenance of dbkl public amenities are not properly done. if dbkl is upright in doing enforcement. the foreigners, kutu-rayau and illegal aliens won't have the guts to make KL a scary place for local residence to bear with. these sampah masyarakat are liability to dbkl. this is why how u give yourself hardtime. we pay dbkl parking also have to spent extra money to repair cars lols..

u think hike is justifyable. please do your homework. show us all the improvements made first.

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