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MyKLTalks
post Jan 6 2014, 03:49 PM, updated 4y ago

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The Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate issue has been getting a lot of attention, as well as a fair bit of misinformation.

We are here to explain the Assessment Rate/Cukai Pintu issue by going back to basics.

If you have any questions concerning the Cukai Pintu/ Assessment Rate issue, please feel free to ask us.
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post Jan 6 2014, 03:50 PM

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You represent who to asnwer us?
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post Jan 6 2014, 03:52 PM

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Can elaborate what is this cukai all about? I know we pay for the cleaning service, cut grass etc. Other than that?
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QUOTE(zhavorsa @ Jan 6 2014, 03:52 PM)
Can elaborate what is this cukai all about? I know we pay for the cleaning service, cut grass etc. Other than that?
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 03:49 PM)
The Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate issue has been getting a lot of attention, as well as a fair bit of misinformation.

We are here to explain the Assessment Rate/Cukai Pintu issue by going back to basics.

If you have any questions concerning the Cukai Pintu/ Assessment Rate issue, please feel free to ask us.
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it will be more credible if you can shed some light on your background.

nevertheless, i'll play along.

do enlighten us on whether the blogger have stated accurately and correctly on matters pertaining to KL assessment rates.

1st post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...s-and_1247.html

and 2nd post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...ies-and_28.html

thank you. notworthy.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 6 2014, 04:13 PM

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Let him explain mar, purposely register to help us leh... so sincere.
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post Jan 6 2014, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(zhavorsa @ Jan 6 2014, 03:52 PM)
Can elaborate what is this cukai all about? I know we pay for the cleaning service, cut grass etc. Other than that?
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For an as-yet incomplete list, you can go to mykl.com.my and see DBKL's function there.


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post Jan 6 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(mingyew @ Jan 6 2014, 03:50 PM)
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We are an online team set up to clarify this issue. Our Twitter handle is @MyKLTalks and our FB is fb.com/mykltalks . The website is www [dot] mykl [dot] com [dot] my

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post Jan 6 2014, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 6 2014, 04:11 PM)
it will be more credible if you can shed some light on your background.

nevertheless, i'll play along.

do enlighten us on whether the blogger have stated accurately and correctly on matters pertaining to KL assessment rates.

1st post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...s-and_1247.html

and 2nd post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...ies-and_28.html

thank you.  notworthy.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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He has a few points which are correct and the formula seems legit.

However, if you have a specific question, you may ask us or go to mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 10:23 PM
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post Jan 6 2014, 04:31 PM

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Can i start with few layman question?

1. DBKL said increase to raise fund because long time dint raise and short of fund, but in my mind, many new high rise is built and the fund is increase tremendously as well, is that any other reason?

2. Why high rise assessment fees as expensive as landed property? all the unit use same piece of land and should divide equally which i don't think can cost so much.

3. After raise the fund, it means will improve my surround environment? For a very common folks, we expected DBKL take initial to improve surround landscape / road maintenance / etc. Can you decrease your assessment rate if nothing doing to my area?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(mingyew @ Jan 6 2014, 04:31 PM)
Can i start with few layman question?

1. DBKL said increase to raise fund because long time dint raise and short of fund, but in my mind, many new high rise is built and the fund is increase tremendously as well, is that any other reason?

2. Why high rise assessment fees as expensive as landed property? all the unit use same piece of land and should divide equally which i don't think can cost so much.

3. After raise the fund, it means will improve my surround environment? For a very common folks, we expected DBKL take initial to improve surround landscape / road maintenance / etc. Can you decrease your assessment rate if nothing doing to my area?

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Thanks for asking!

Before I answer these questions, let's get a few things straight so we are all on the same page.

To say the Cukai Pintu is increased is not entirely true. The Annual Value is increased and the Assessment Rate Percentage is decreased.

The formula for amount of Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate paid is this: Cukai Pintu or Assesment Rate = Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.

One factor goes up and another one goes down. Some owners will pay less and some will pay more, depending on how much the increase of their Annual Value as compared to the decrease in Assessment Rate Percentage.

Now, on to your questions:

1. There are two components to your question. First is the last time there was an Annual Value revision was in 1992. All this while, all these properties were charged the Assessment Rate based on that old value. Since then, the value of these properties have increased. So when there is a revision, 21 years later on any property, of course the value goes up. The second component is the increasing cost to cover the increasing operating expenditure and development expenditure. Yes, cost has increased and even with more property units paying Assessment Rate, it is not enough to cover the shortfall.

2. More people staying in KL whether in high-rise property or landed ones means more strain on the upkeep and maintenance of facilities and amenities. For example, roads - City Hall spent a lot just to maintain roads. If more people use them, then the maintenance cost would also soar.

3. Yes, as outlined in the Annual Budget Speech by the Mayor, there are many plans with the funds to improve and upgrade existing facilities and amenities with the aim to make and maintain KL as a world class city.

Any other questions, please ask us or engage us on Twitter (@mykltalks), FB: fb.com/mykltalks and our website: mykl.com.my

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 04:47 PM
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Sorry Mr. MyKLTalks, i cant get ur link "mykl.com.my/faq" ; the URL /faq was not found on this server.

it is good that we know more about the DBKL function, would u pls elaborate more on the penyelenggaraan bangunan, jalan dan taman-taman. Since we are paying for it, is it the process of awarded the contract for maintenance works is transparent? The way for us to know the yearly financial report/ account auditing report?

I'm having a problem with the current condition for the road, it is always cause damage to my car absorber & suspension and if the road condition cause car accident is DBKL the right entity for me to submit the claim on my loses? i.e. unclear sign board, street lighting not functioning and pothole.

There are part of the money going for perbelanjaan persembahan kebudayaan dan aktiviti rekreasi so are we have the right to request the type of perembahan for any religion and culture in KL as we are multi races and culture country?
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 04:46 PM)
Thanks for asking!

Before I answer these questions, let's get a few things straight so we are all on the same page.

To say the Cukai Pintu is increased is not entirely true. The Annual Value is increased and the Assessment Rate Percentage is decreased.

The formula for amount of Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate paid is this: Cukai Pintu or Assesment Rate  = Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.

One factor goes up and another one goes down. Some owners will pay less and some will pay more, depending on how much the increase of their Annual Value as compared to the decrease in Assessment Rate Percentage.

Now, on to your questions:

1. There are two components to your question. First is the last time there was an Annual Value revision was in 1992. All this while, all these properties were charged the Assessment Rate based on that old value. Since then, the value of these properties have increased. So when there is a revision, 21 years later on any property, of course the value goes up. The second component is the increasing cost to cover the increasing operating expenditure and development expenditure. Yes, cost has increased and even with more property units paying Assessment Rate, it is not enough to cover the shortfall.

2. More people staying in KL whether in high-rise property or landed ones means more strain on the upkeep and maintenance of facilities and amenities. For example, roads - City Hall spent a lot just to maintain roads. If more people use them, then the maintenance cost would also soar.

3. Yes, as outlined in the Annual Budget Speech by the Mayor, there are many plans with the funds to improve and upgrade existing facilities and amenities with the aim to make and maintain KL as a world class city.

Any other questions, please ask us or engage us on Twitter (@mykltalks), FB: fb.com/mykltalks and our website: mykl.com.my
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In that case could you please explain

1. What is the justification for the increase, cost from 1992 - 2014. Cost has increased granted but by how many %? and of that cost how much is actually used for maintenance as per increase in yoy cost? You can't tell me cost has increased by 10% then turn around and give the datuk bandar big fat bonus (of course cost is going to increase la)

2. The reason why our roads cost so much to maintain is because the job is not done properly in the first place and secondly there is not stop korek korek korek everyday also korek like our roads have gold underneath. But if maintaining the roads is such a high cost what pray tell is costing so much? (paving? tar? labor?)

3. I hope I live to see the day KL can be considered a world class city but at the moment the gripe seems to be with wastages, corruption and just total lack of trust that the funds would be put to good use. Anyway you said some would pay more some would pay less, could you please elaborate with an example.

Thanks.



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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 04:21 PM)
We are an online team set up to clarify this issue. Our Twitter handle is @MyKLTalks and our FB is fb.com/mykltalks . The website is www [dot] mykl [dot] com [dot] my
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So do you represent DBKL or a consultancy company representing DBKL or are you independent party with no relation to DBKL. We need to ascertain your credibility. TQVM
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 04:46 PM)
Thanks for asking!

Before I answer these questions, let's get a few things straight so we are all on the same page.

To say the Cukai Pintu is increased is not entirely true. The Annual Value is increased and the Assessment Rate Percentage is decreased.

The formula for amount of Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate paid is this: Cukai Pintu or Assesment Rate  = Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.

One factor goes up and another one goes down. Some owners will pay less and some will pay more, depending on how much the increase of their Annual Value as compared to the decrease in Assessment Rate Percentage.

Now, on to your questions:



2. More people staying in KL whether in high-rise property or landed ones means more strain on the upkeep and maintenance of facilities and amenities. For example, roads - City Hall spent a lot just to maintain roads. If more people use them, then the maintenance cost would also soar.

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Still the amount charged for condo unit are way too expensive just for road maintenance. Most of the maintenance is covered by the management of the condo thru the maintenance fee.
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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 6 2014, 05:01 PM)
Sorry Mr. MyKLTalks, i cant get ur link "mykl.com.my/faq" ; the URL /faq was not found on this server.

it is good that we know more about the DBKL function, would u pls elaborate more on the penyelenggaraan bangunan, jalan dan taman-taman. Since we are paying for it,  is it the process of awarded the contract for maintenance works is transparent? The way for us to know the yearly financial report/ account auditing report?

I'm having a problem with the current condition for the road, it is always cause damage to my car absorber & suspension and if the road condition cause car accident is DBKL the right entity for me to submit the claim on my loses?  i.e. unclear sign board, street lighting not functioning and pothole.

There are part of the money going for perbelanjaan persembahan kebudayaan dan aktiviti rekreasi so are we have the right to request the type of perembahan for any religion and culture in KL as we are multi races and culture country?
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Apologies. Here is the full link: http://mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

We will bring you more information as soon as possible on the expenditure. However, should you want to know more, you can download the DBKL Mayor's budget speech here: http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=ms

If you have any complaints concerning roads maintenance, you can contact DBKL at:

DEWAN BANDARAYA KUALA LUMPUR
Menara DBKL 1, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Talian Am: +603 2617 9000
Call Centre: 1 800 88 3255
Faks: +603 26980460
E-mel: dbkl@dbkl.gov.my

As for the third part of your question, yes, you can request for these performances and send a letter of suggestion to DBKL at the aforementioned address.

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QUOTE(enkil @ Jan 6 2014, 05:13 PM)
Still the amount charged for condo unit are way too expensive just for road maintenance. Most of the maintenance is covered by the management of the condo thru the maintenance fee.
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Road maintenance is just an example. Each KL resident throws half a ton or 500kg of garbage a year. City Hall spent almost RM200 million in 2013 to clear garbage alone.

More people also means they will use public parks, hawker centers, sports halls, courts, etc.

The sheer number of people will increase the operating cost for everything City Hall does to maintain the city.


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QUOTE(grifterfmj @ Jan 6 2014, 05:05 PM)
In that case could you please explain

1. What is the justification for the increase,  cost from 1992 - 2014. Cost has increased granted but by how many %? and of that cost how much is actually used for maintenance as per increase in yoy cost? You can't tell me cost has increased by 10% then turn around and give the datuk bandar big fat bonus (of course cost is going to increase la)

2. The reason why our roads cost so much to maintain is because the job is not done properly in the first place and secondly there is not stop korek korek korek everyday also korek like our roads have gold underneath. But if maintaining the roads is such a high cost what pray tell is costing so much? (paving? tar? labor?)

3. I hope I live to see the day KL can be considered a world class city but at the moment the gripe seems to be with wastages, corruption and just total lack of trust that the funds would be put to good use. Anyway you said some would pay more some would pay less, could you please elaborate with an example.

Thanks.
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We have top class road specification but lousy supervision during construction and tutup mata when accept those inferior quality works.
We have top standard & guide line for KL city but lousy planning and the plan always in changing, that why always korek korek and korek.
We always look for world class but eventually not lasting long maybe just few months in world class condition coz of poor in maintenance. Reason too expensive for the maintenance cost.
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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 05:14 PM)
Apologies. Here is the full link: http://mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

We will bring you more information as soon as possible on the expenditure. However, should you want to know more, you can download the DBKL Mayor's budget speech here: http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=ms

If you have any complaints concerning roads maintenance, you can contact DBKL at:

DEWAN BANDARAYA KUALA LUMPUR
Menara DBKL 1, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Talian Am: +603 2617 9000
Call Centre: 1 800 88 3255
Faks: +603 26980460
E-mel: dbkl@dbkl.gov.my

As for the third part of your question, yes, you can request for these performances and send a letter of suggestion to DBKL at the aforementioned address.
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Thx, for the kind information. So how about the claim on loses?
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post Jan 6 2014, 05:37 PM

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More people also means they will use public parks, hawker centers, sports halls, courts, etc.

my place apa pun takda, i stay here more than 10 years, nothing is improve.

sudah lah..

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