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Financial Cukai Pintu Explained, Cukai Pintu/Assessment Rate issue in KL

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post Jan 6 2014, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 04:21 PM)
We are an online team set up to clarify this issue. Our Twitter handle is @MyKLTalks and our FB is fb.com/mykltalks . The website is www [dot] mykl [dot] com [dot] my
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So do you represent DBKL or a consultancy company representing DBKL or are you independent party with no relation to DBKL. We need to ascertain your credibility. TQVM
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post Jan 6 2014, 07:56 PM

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I would appreciate if this topic can be productive in response to the recent hike in assessment fee. Therefore we should try and avoid venting too much frustration on the displease about the ruling government or political parties.

Pls be factual in presenting points, queries or clarifications. the moderating team will be removing posts that are deemed non constructive.

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p/s: Topic pinned.

Btw, they are an agency representing DBKL and not from DBKL themselves.

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post Jan 6 2014, 10:36 PM

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Again, let me remind all to focus on the assessment hike issue!
This is the last warning!


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Surveying is done by JPPH? i.e. Jabatan Penilaian Dan Perkhidmatan Harta? Or DBKL own survey department?

If by DBKL own survey department, how do we validate versus official JPPH survey or any other certified property valuation company?

Also, would DBKL advise on the actual valued value of one's said property?

Why such question is because your laid down the formula to be: Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.
So without knowing the "Annual Value" how does us general consumer know whether the it is a fair value?!

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post Jan 6 2014, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 10:45 PM)
The valuation process is a popular question. Here is how it was done:

The valuation started in January 2013 by the JPPH. A group of Valuation Officers did the assessment based on built-up area or lot area. Aside from that, the department conducted the research using these sources:

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I believe this factually not correct because in your website which you suggested me to click, it stated:
"A group of valuation officers from DBKL’s Property Management and Valuation Department have come up with a new Annual Value for each property"

i.e. these are local council's valuation department. Unless you are telling me they report back to JPPH for total country aggregation? Can you pls confirm again?

btw, my property is in Selangor hence not affected. So am just throwing out possible queries which may be useful to all.
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post Jan 6 2014, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Jan 6 2014, 10:53 PM)
for the sake of transparency can you post DBKL's P&L here to justify the hike?
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Don't think they have access. They are just a social media agency or probably consultancy company engaged by DBKL to do an online campaign to address and inform on how Assessment Fee works.

So you are asking for the moon nor did you read my earlier post.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:01 PM)
The DBKL has its own Jabatan Penilaian dan Pengurusan Harta (JPPH) and the MoF has its own Jabatan Penilaian dan Perkhidmatan Harta (also JPPH).

The valuation was conducted by officers from DBKL's JPPH for the majority of the properties using the methods outlined in the previous post. They also consulted the MoF's JPPH on the values of some properties.

No worries if your property is in Selangor. We appreciate these questions so we can clear any confusion.
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So now, the issued would be again back to my initial question. How do we ascertained DBKL's valuation matches MOF's valuation?

So based on the Annual Valuation notice given by DBKL, should one go and purchase Annual Property Market Report from MOF's JPPH (which contains detailed scheme valuation report) to assess whether the value are comparable?!

My personal belief is not enough transparency because how many guys out there know of such reports or have access to such information to dispute what might or might not be questionable?! That is why everyone is irked when the mayor says out of xxxx populations, only yyyy objected. Because the other zzzz might not understand all this thing. Even more so for those without access to the internet.

My personal opinion is City Hall should be transparent enough to quote sources in their notices so everyone is well informed.

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post Jan 6 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:03 PM)
Not all the material is up yet, but for a projected expenditure vs revenue for DBKL WITHOUT this Annual Value Revision exercise, you can click on the button "Rising Cost" here :

http://www.mykl.com.my/en/why.html
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I believe us with the likes of Sikit2JadiBukit is not interested in "general" numbers. Eg. Operating expenses as stated, what does it includes? Development Expenditure - what does it includes? See.. for Other income sources*, they did put down details albeit vague: "Other income sources include selling DBKL’s own assets, collecting development fees from development projects within KL, tapping into DBKL’s own cash reserves as well as Government grants.".

But again, I doubted you would have the liberty of disclosing the nitty gritty to us, the general public.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:13 PM

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Dear all, pls be reminded to be "civil".
Hopefully we get more insights into this matter.

Am off to bed.

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post Jan 6 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(MyKLTalks @ Jan 6 2014, 11:17 PM)
Actually, all the details on income and expenditure for the current year and before are all available in the Mayor's Budget speeches here:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=en

The projection is based on previous years' income and expenditure for DBKL, extrapolating each factor and plotting its trajectory as a whole.
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Thank you. Probably it will be wise to have a source link so ppl like me would not be asking similar question i.e. pointed to one link then need to clarify before getting another link.

Just an input.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Jan 6 2014, 11:15 PM)
chief, i read every post before posting but only they know whether they have access to the P&L.

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post Jan 6 2014, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 6 2014, 11:18 PM)
This format is a challenge to the professionalism of the way bank's valuation method. It's contradicting.

Anw tq for ur unconvincing method.
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Slight correction. Many banks leave the valuation job and methodology to certified professional valuation company which is governed by the board of valuers. So whatever valuation methodology used by those valuers might not be known to the bank. However I think a lot follows the same methodology used by UK surveyors since we were once colonized by them, eg our common law also links back to UK common law.
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post Jan 7 2014, 12:05 AM

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Let me put this bluntly since we are of LYN moderating team.

LYN is an open forum for all walks of life to register an account to post, including you. So I would just like to say our forum should not be held liable in case someone intends to pursue defamation suit.

You should very well know what I meant wink.gif


To the rest, probably pls be mindful and responsible on your posts wink.gif

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