MyKLTalks
Let me put this bluntly since we are of LYN moderating team.

LYN is an open forum for all walks of life to register an account to post, including you. So I would just like to say our forum should not be held liable in case someone intends to pursue defamation suit.

You should very well know what I meant


To the rest, probably pls be mindful and responsible on your posts

This post has been edited by b00n: Jan 7 2014, 12:06 AM

Boss I'm not in the position to tell you anything. Besides I hope you can tell us what we dunno.

Noted on the drain covers. DBKL does a routine check of all facilities, but in some instances, it would hasten the process if you call their hotline.

Usually, missing manhole covers are due to theft or damage.

Unsure on the buses issue. Perhaps another call to the DBKL hotline? This is perhaps under SPAD, though.

DBKL is a bit slower this year due to the Annual Value Revision process and public hearing of the objection. Last year, the focus was also spread on conducting the Annual Value Revision. There are 500,000 property units in KL to consider, plus the 153,000 objections.

Rest assured, the bills for Assessment Rate will arrive within this month.

Lastly, the document you are referring to is a special incentive form which you can get from DBKL Payment Counters. It has just been made available and we will share any information we get with the public on our website mykl.com.my, our fb page fb.com/mykltalks and through our Twitter account: @mykltalks

p/s: Owners will find that the new Assessment Rate will not be a burden. Some will see a reduction in Assessment Rate paid. Those who do see an increase will not be overly burdened, especially owners of residential property units.

There are some other announcements that will be made on the matter. Stay tuned.

Catch 22 isn't it? I tell you there is damning evidence DBKL is inefficient, you turn a blind eye and tell me to provide proof and tell me to report to a department within the organization which is inefficient in the first place. Aren't we just going round in circles now?

You throw out stats like RM199 million spent on collecting garbage, yet.. you can't even justify to me whether or not this RM199 million is a) necessary b) spent efficiently

Example:

Worker: Boss I need a raise, rising cost going up lah
Boss: Sure, but I have to tell you the quality of work is not up to standard, please improve you want to be recognized as world class right? you need to be more efficient too and spend wisely
Worker: Boss, please provide proof and write in and complain to my secretary kkk?

In tis case.

Boss = rakyat
Worker = dbkl

Understood. We (Mykltalks) have not defamed anyone here or beyond.

We are engaging the public with information from the source (DBKL) in the hopes of clarifying matters concerning Cukai Pintu as well as to share announcements.

Nevertheless, I understand your concerns. I would also like to join the LYN moderators in calling for moderation.

We deal with facts, not emotion. As with previous cases, anyone online should know and understand there are laws against libel (written defamation) and slander (verbal defamation).

Please keep it clean, everyone, and we will respond to requests for information with whatever stats, data and documents we have with us. We do not deal with conjecture or emotion other than compassion.

Our intention is merely to clarify points concerning this issue and forums are such vibrant places to do so - especially LYN.

You can get a more detailed explanation on the RM199.7 million matter from this source:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/penerbitan/ucapan_b...nbajet_2013.pdf

That is the Mayor's budget speech for 2013. It's somewhere in the first quarter of that speech.

If you want to complain about inefficiencies, you may do so using methods suggested earlier. As with your example, there are protocols to be observed even when a boss deals with his workers, on all levels.

Complaints against DBKL using their Hotline will be noted or recorded and used to improve their services.

We're all in this together.

Anyway, we hope to bring you more information as several announcements are made. We will also update you on the objection process as well as any notices issued by DBKL.

MyKLTalks will conclude today's session at 1am. We will see you tomorrow around 10am.

Thanks to all who participated today. Your questions and queries are much appreciated. See you tomorrow!

Dear MYKL Talks, please stay in Sri Selangor Flat for 20 years (for you 20 days enough) then you will know what is efficiently and money is well spent ! Sinking Tar Road, Traffic Light see me and i don't see the light, Lift kill people and not to mention only one or none lift working at most of the time, walk staircase is nightmare with water dripping and always no light, walk corridor will have people throw rubbish sometimes washing machine tv orange apple nasi lemak and if you're lucky it just some wash feet water, parking car will get tayar pancit, parking motor will missing, playground occupied by drug trafficking aka dealer, rubbish house at the most corner and need to walk 15 minutes and it's full until roadside, there is kompleks perniagaan without chair, badminton hall with holes, and good thing is there's few more trees left at playground, advantages of doing more charity work because many old people not dare to go outside to buy food because the lift auto close when they go in with wheelchair.. and this is World Class experience... Maybe you can go Cheras in front of Warisan Cityview see people dig the same hole every two days once for few years.. I haven't mention the road to Jalan Ampang, outskirt of KL.. Dear DBKL Please reach to me, i'm available and please give all KL Citizens an affordable home, affordable road, affordable education, affordable goods and foods.. If i did not receive reply with 24 hours means you failed me.. Thank you..

Well, for affordable housing - there is Public Housing. DBKL currently provides 300,000 people (around 18% of the population) a place to stay at 76,367 public housing units with rental at only RM180++ per month.

These are the PPR and PA flats. You can go to DBKL and apply for one, if you are eligible.

Affordable education is another matter, under a ministry.

For affordable goods and food - there is the Kedai Rakyat 1Malaysia which sells goods and food at an average 30% less than regular market prices. But KR1M is also not under DBKL.

Actually, this campaign is more about the Assessment Rate and the Annual Value Revision.

For a full range of services provided by DBKL, please visit www.dbkl.gov.my

If my upper floor rent RM1000/month and my unit I rent it out Rm500 becos the younger sister very good looking.
Both unit are the same build up area. So can I declare a lower cukai pintu?

So this mykltalks are more like a PR for DBKL. Now I am interesting to know how much this project cost us.

My specific questions are the same as raised by the blogger which I will repost here for you to answer:

"To address the unhappiness of Kuala Lumpur residents, we hope DBKL will provide further clarity and transparency on the following questions :-

a) How much more assessment tax revenue will DBKL actually get after the revised assessment value and rates? The amount stated by DBKL appears understated relative to the scale of increases most of us will pay. If that is the case, are some residents getting far lower assessment tax than others?

b) What is the basis of computing assessment value? I know it is rental income (implied or actual) but what are the reliable sources of information or database used? DBKL should make the entire list of assessment values for all properties in KL available on the Internet. This will allow every resident the ability to check their assessment value against all others, in the interest of fairness and transparency.

c) A failure to be transparent would likely give the impression of possible biases in the way assessment values are determined, leading some residents to feel they are being penalized for choices they previously made.

d) How will the additional collections be spent? Tax payers have the right to demand accountability and responsibility. DBKL plans big spending under its 2014 Budget, but what are they for, and are they justified? Should DBKL be embarking on a spending spree when the whole country – including the Federal Government -- is tightening the belt? Why are its spending patterns and budgets so different from the Federal Government’s? As I have written in previous articles on this issue, DBKL is already spending more than other municipalities per person.

e) Are Kuala Lumpur residents also now expected to pick up DBKL’s bill for development expenditure, via the higher assessment taxes? Development expenditure for Kuala Lumpur has always been funded from the Federal government’s Development Budget, for which residents are already paying high personal income and corporate taxes. If so, then it amounts to new taxation."

To add on, what is DBKL's plan to reduce manpower since statistics have clearly shown that DBKL is having one of the highest staff to population ratio in the WORLD!

Kindly refrain from using phrases such as "I believe", "it was noted from", etc.
It lacks credibility and besides, quite a number here have already requested for some credibility from your end. A simple attachment showing something ought to give you more creditworthiness in all your replies.

I would like to strongly refute this statement of yours. With more application for developments or refurbishment, developers are subjected to development and planning charges. These also would include contributions to ISF and DBKL security fund.
You claim DBKL have built roads at a cost of RM170mil. But how much of the RM170mil were from DBKL own fund or is it collection from others i.e. Development and planning charges.
Some if not most are basically contributed by developers.
Kindly advise whether the pedestrian walkway from Pavillion to KL Convention Centre is funded by DBKL or Petronas?
Roads. Potholes. Etc. It is to my understanding that each excavation on the surface requires a permit + deposit to undertake these tasks. Despite this, why are roads still so unpleasant within the city? More often than not, I have personally been asked many a times by tourists nearby KLCC/Jalan Bukit Bintang on why aren't the roads in a better shape when these are supposedly Malasyia's most iconic street/area?
Rivers. Are these under DBKL or JPS or DID's jurisdiction in terms of maintenance? If you are doing it on behalf of other department, why not backcharge the party at fault? Why use the KL Citizen funds instead?
Traffic System. What traffic system? How much does this accounts for the overall budget?
Pedestrian Walks. How much was contributed from ISF fund collected?
Public Parks. How much was commission in the past 5 years? How much was spend on landscaping alone in the city?
Recreational centers, sports hall. Again at what cost and statistics of benefits reaped from these ventures? These venues are usually funded by other departments and handed over local councils to maintain. Maintenance charges can be recouped vide rental charges. Why are so many centers such as badminton courts, squash courts, the velodromme in such bad condition with practically no maintenance at all?

I look forward to your precise and detailed replies on queries raised above.
Thank you.

As I mentioned b4, if the PIC in dbkl cant manage it well, y not step down and let someone capable to carry out a beta job. Afterall taxpayors are suppose to know and entitle to know wats goin on. If its not transparent, someone hav to do sthg and not hire some td&h to come to forum to tell all sort of nonsense. Providing all link tat the power google can provide us as long as u know how to use the keyboard is not gonna work.

Here are answers to your questions:

a) On Dec 24 2013, the Mayor was quoted in a news report saying DBKL expects around RM200 million from this exercise.

b) Publishing the entire Annual Value on the Internet as well as other mediums have been discussed. Stay tuned for any announcement one way or the other. There are issues to be considered, such as privacy, etc, as well as the general public interest and transparency.

c) Please refer to b)

d) The plans to spend the money can be found in the 2014 budget. The expenditure is higher per person than any other municipalities in Malaysia due to KL being the capital city with many more facilities and amenities to maintain and develop.

e) No, this is not true. Federal funding accounts for around 6% of DBKL budget for operating as well as development expenditure.

The rest:

1. Since the term mentioned in communications that the special incentive is for "OKUs, retirees and owner-occupied residences", it is most probably residential units. Nonetheless, the team will get a sample of the form within this week and would be able to advise further pn what happens if the owner occupies his own factory.

2. DBKL's income stream is varied, with a large portion (fluctuating around 50%) from Assessment Rate. DBKL's own funds - its cash reserve - have been used to cover any shortfall between income and expenditure, and is also one of DBKL's income stream, from an accounting perspective.

3. There were 47 roads built in KL in 2013. 35 were from DBKL's budget. You can get this info from the 2013 Mayor's budget speech.

4. The amount allocated for development is still from the CIty Hall budget. It is not a separate fund or budget, but a separate allocation from the same budget.

5. Development fees from construction is also another income stream for DBKL, as outlined in their budget. However, this stream is decreasing as less areas are available in KL for private development. It is also not the main income source as compared to the Assessment Rate. For example, in 2013, development fees netted RM270 million while Assessment Rate was RM880.5 million. The overall budget called for RM2.188 billion of which RM1.088 billion was for operating expenditure and RM782.55 was for development. As you can see, development fees are not enough to even cover development expenditure and it will decrease even further.

6. There are some pedestrian walkways and other facilities developed by private companies and other entities, not DBKL. DBKL does not claim credit for these developments.

7. There are over 120km of rivers under DBKL jurisdiction with over 330km of main drainage. DBKL maintains the hydraulic capacity of these rivers in order to avoid flash floods. DBKL does this in cooperation with other agencies.

8. Traffic systems in the city of KL cost RM60.9 million to maintain in 2013. This includes the Integrated Traffic Information System (ITIS), safety features, maintenance, traffic lights, signboards, etc.

9. Recreational centers, hawker centers, sports halls, sports courts, other buildings, etc cost RM75.4 million last year. That is after subtracting the very minimal fees charged to KL residents who use them. Should the city rely entirely on entrance fees or other fees for these facilities, the fees will be increased to cover over 70 million a year and the intention to keep KL residents active, healthy and communal will be hit.

If you really want all the detailed information and breakdown of income and expenditure, you can read the Mayor's budget speech.

Here is last year's budget speech (2014 budget speech also available on the DBKL website):

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/penerbitan/ucapan_b...nbajet_2013.pdf

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 7 2014, 10:23 AM

No. The Annual Value is based on the gross market rental value. It does not matter how much of a discount an owner is giving to anyone, for any reason.

Thanks for the replies but you left out the following:

"To add on, what is DBKL's plan to reduce manpower since statistics have clearly shown that DBKL is having one of the highest staff to population ratio in the WORLD!"

To your item 5, can you kindly provide development charges collected in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 respectively? Somehow, 2013 does not seem to be decreasing in any way.

The process of calling for hearing have already commenced. I have received some notices but I fear I would not be able to attend given that notices were far too short (less than 48 hours notice in my case), and hearing is set to be middle of a work day. I attended once previously and I regret to inform that it is highly ineffective with more than 2 hours waiting time, etc.
The results is also far from satisfactory.

Spend spend spend but

a) KL roads still flood and full of potholes
b) River still dirty like sewer
c) Honestly we don't need ITIS, just get everyone to use Waze
d) You build so many recreational centers yet Malaysian's are still obese!

and the final straw is now you come back and say, "OH cost is going up we need more tax"

Simple analogy la, you go to a mamak and order milo ais, the milo ais taste like water, then the owner says tomorrow we are increasing price because harga gula naik, you'd probably boycott that mamak til the end of time. If the mamak served you a decent milo ais that you love and enjoy very much, you would gladly pay because "hey, harga gula naik ma"

Maybe we should all boycott KL and move to PJ..

agree.
too many white elephants around.
many of those hawker centres or sports centre totally underused.
not because they don't want to but because of many restriction.
why all hawker centre by dbkl built are purely halal? non-muslim are contributing to these funds too.
why can't people book your sports centre easily? must go through counter and sometimes need to pay undertable to secure bookings? and no longer than one month booking at a time?

In order to provide services necessary for the city, DBKL needs the manpower to do so.

The development charges are in the Mayor's budget speech for those respective years. The projected decrease in developmental charges is by 50% next year and will continue on a downward trend as less areas in KL are developed by private entities.

Your feedback concerning the public hearing is noted. The last time there was an Annual Value Revision was in 1992. I assume you attended a similar hearing then?

According to the NST Online news report yesterday, the attendees were commenting on how fast and efficient the hearings were. We are covering the hearings this week and shall report on what happens during one.

Thank you for your questions.

What bout if owner renew TA with lower rental due to tenant biz badly affected after all BarangNaik???

How to justified the revised assessment???

Can owners go get refund??? If can't do so then wats the point of paying higher when gd rental???