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dun have the authorithy to ask for that coz if just cakap from air,then nothing can be done. but u can email it for request.

previously,prtn did ask public group to a closed test drive session,n also did a closed test drive for auto journo to get some feedback. many of the market info gathering were done by the consultant assigned,n this time around lg cns.
the main prob why such activity on public opinion like test drive session to the public is the same across any manufacturer, due to secrecy of the company,u dont know whether whether among there are your competitor insiders.
thats why competitors benchmarking are done coz its easily to obtain info from public view.
for example,based on people feedback, ride n handling.
many like myvi due to its comfort,not handling,but many like fiesta for its handling character. so,for ride,the benchmark is myvi,handling is fiesta.
by using adams,this two cars traits being analysed.
after doing extensively modeling,then the prototype is ready for real world testing. then comparison will be done,n test will be done until the target achieved it within target cost n time frame.

not everybody has the same taste,so they try their best to simulate them. thats why none manufacturer can do it perfectly.

thats why u cant actually argued that some may say example vios handle like a charm. if for them,that is their definition of ride n handling,then so be it,atleast for me.

thats why i always said in my opinion, i think n etc.

however,it doesnt mean that u cant try it,no harm done,maybe an email or letter request on behalf saga club to get a closed group opinion n test drive session ;-).

SV no daun,

do u know fix four dauns how much?

it keeps me smiling on how malaysian attitudes toward prtn. im not mad at all,it just really cnfusing. during preve crash accident in east coast, so many comments on engine detaching feature,n if is true,then prtn shud make official statement. then official statement came out,people say prtn just make an excuse. eventhough the marketing team being said not doing good job,its hard actually to tell everything in a piece of paper.

it will be a booklet not less than 50pages if u want to tell everything from a to z.

same like collapsible steering column which being incorporated since waja n its the base for every prtn since waja,no need to put that in. coz the higher the marketing cost,it will absorb to the cost of the car. so need to be prudent enough. prtn isnt selling car at the same volume as others.

same as rebadge perdana for the G,previously many bash it as a backward move,then when official statement mentioned it will be heavily modified n just jv platform sharing,also get a lot of bashing why change it when rebadge is good,making car from scratch is no good.

i really cant understand it...:-)

On the issue of the collapsible steering column, P2 does show it on their Myvi brochure, that's why ppl think Myvi is safer than Gaga. I didn't even knew this feature existed on Proton cars before you posted it just now.

And if a normal customer go to both P1 and P2 showroom and compare the brochures for gaga and Myvi, he/she won't want to buy a Gaga. That's why I say P1 marketing fails like nobody else.

part of the blame can be put on marketing team,but not entirely.

when u said that,i think i shud convey this to my source cuz i didnt know people dun know bout it. its part of standard homogolation rules on steering component. maybe he can do sumthing bout it.

there r many actually,maybe if i got the time n info from my sos,will post it here just 4 sharing info on standard safety aspect.

wow... these infos are really eye-opener to me
really looking forward to what u gonna say next
hope it will scratch out that bad image of proton that still exist in the public..
at least these info will help proton cars look less like "a fridge on 4 wheels"

I'm not saying who is right/wrong. The truth is, Plotong ady made a bad name since 1986. My father first Saga 1300 ady having overheat, melted the radiator within 1 month after purchase. Following by a long haul of aircond fan issue, power window failure issues none stop until car being sold. Ask me, we think that's just bad luck. Bought a lemon unit. So we did it again, another unit at 1989, this time radiator no melt. But the rear wheel bearing was broken prematurely, the whole wheel and brake hub was detached from the rear arm. My dad was still asking, "wah! whose tayar is that ar? Bunga still very deep wor" then only our car sunk. Nonetheless, the well know Powerwindow Rosak Oh Tidak Oh No, so as the later version came with alarm system, central lock system failure, alarm unit cigaoxin midnight sendiri trigger. It was just too awful to own a Plotong back then. We gave them 2nd chance, but they still manage to screw up so badly.

Until we learn it, we spend alot less to purchase used Proton Saga when 1993 the all new Iswara came alive, old 12v Proton Saga price plunge down the drain. We start to get good deals. Buying a 1989 used Saga 1.5s only cost us about 18k back then! WOHOO! Not only we save up the cost of purchasing new car, but the previous owner already dump a huge sum amount i repairing the THEN NEW CAR. Alarm system is after market, power window unit was refurbished, replacement part direct import from Japan Lancer Fiore. Not only that! My house Saga is 1 of the few that has rear power window and Lancer door trim! We've been using that 2nd hand Saga happily ever after because the previous owner already done all the necessary repair to his NEW CAR until the roof start to bubble. Repair, again bubble. Even that we kept the car until 2012, sold the spare part separately for about 3.5k(still worth that much!). Who sei Plotong depreciate fast? Buying a new Plotong yes indeed butt hurt, but are you gonna sell it next year? I definitely not. I'll be the buyer. Buying a lightly used 2nd hand Plotong car is so much fun!

Seriously dude, Plotong even rebadge also can screw up. I'm consider lucky for myself. I've obtained tremendous amount of maintenance knowledge in a bloody Plotong. I can change me own power window motor, so as centre lock actuator. I can do my engine overhaul, should I say thanks to Plotong rebadged Lancer Fiore? Again I shall reemphasize, I don't hate Plotong. If u know me well enough, I'm more of a Plotong fan boy, have been buying Plotong none stop until today, I still have 3 of them running around. My GaGa is 1 of the newest and well behaved car. The Renault Savvy... maintenance cost for the past 1 year has costs the purchase price of the car.

My next target? May be a used Preve?

on a side note, plotong car key designs needs to be changed. .
damn stupid key too fragile.
only 1 screw keeping the whole casing together and you expect the glue on the top part to last for 2 years min ?

Save it, a Plotong will be a Plotong forever If peepur ever looked into fact, MyBi ady close shop tapaued ady. Still got peepur sei, 3MAX anti roll bar is overdesigned... and the chassis tuning specialists is efficient & well designed. Just because everything was led by the name - PERCEPTION.

Next time, I will drive all my Plotong cars go park infront of P2 showroom & promote Mybi Maybe do the same with Toyol, go promote Paus for them

sudah manyak kali cakap ni

Oh I just re-read my previous post. The second paragraph does not refer to the collapsible steering column specifically, but how the brochures are designed.

The Gaga brochure only cares about showing specs, while the Myvi brochure showcases the important features....the HU, airbags, timing chain, ABS with brake assist... etc. etc..WITH PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS!!!

When I first bought my FLX SE, all I got was a flyer with a picture of the car in front and the specs on the back, it's not even a brochure. Even the Viva has a better brochure

It's like P2 is trying to sell you a proper car, while P1 is trying to sell you a truck with the only promise that it will move.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 14 2014, 06:42 PM

I said MAY BE, could still be anor GaGa

I rike

no mr david,im not saying that u r saying right or wrong,i just explaining why rarely they do as ur request. n i did also mentioned the sop on how u can actually try out to voice out the request.

requesting using official group n right channel,they may layan u. if personal request,then hard though. some clubs members even managed to get special invitation for closed events.

if u manage to get invitation,u can voice out any question n suggestion,especial those in rnd dept. they r really friendly from top level to bottom ;-).

it just they r fully occupy,rarely have time coz every year has new project to be undertaken.

just try out ur luck,who knows ull be their regulars :-). they do listen,even its not all.

great anology mr dares. :-). maybe i can use that to hint them.

most ppl bai car don think how they gonna use the car

only when they go shopping mall / travel then only they figure why my car boot so small

50K price tag for a New Car with boot, 1.6L auto tranny with guranteed low maintenance cost, in my opinion is damn blardy daylight good steal. I can't think of any other model that has a higher value for money than this

deswai I bought it.

Hi Bro...

Do we really hv that feature in our present Sagas (BLM/FL/FLX/SV)?

Mayb it's such an old (ancient, perhaps) feature that P1 felt not even worth mentioning?
My old old VW 1300 Beetle in the late 60s oledi hv that feature!!

Hi Bro...
To a discerning buyer, safety features in car they buy means alot nowadays...in view of traffic density & risks on roads...

This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 14 2014, 07:02 PM

today pi servis kereta. 5 jam tunggu..

i asked the sc to rectify my car's problem..

asik berbunyi sebelah pintu passenger..finally, after 5hours, siap.