hi all,fiesta beater is coming :-). no,just kidding.
im happy to see the upcoming gsc which will be the underpinning of new saga if given the green light.

heard that so much work have been done to futher improve gsc in overall aspects, personally think it is better than preve n even suprima.

i think it wont beat others high achievers,but it will beat their own products.

i hope that the mass pro wont be to much differ than phase 2 prototype. then it shud be ok.

just tell me the experience n opinion when u test drive it later.

there is no news from the top. but what do u think if the car is as fully equip as suprima n some additional tech n the price is around 50k? the engine is non turbo for the moment,not only with some mechanical change,but heart transplant too :-).

for its segment,the interior shud be ok,but a leap n bound if u ask me compare to current saga. yup,saga replacement will share same dna.

the exterior,not my preference coz i do like simplicity but for korean fans,maybe,just maybe.

ha..ha..the price still undecided yet,just want to know how do u feel bout it.
according to my source,or u call it sos kicap,if nfe across the range,4 the time being,yup,eps from zf is built in,unless iafm is used,then its hdraulic.
but i think they will try to put nfe across the range. ;-).

bosch component also will play important n vital role in the engine.

so,purchase of petronas engineering dept really paid off.

dun have the authorithy to ask for that coz if just cakap from air,then nothing can be done. but u can email it for request.

previously,prtn did ask public group to a closed test drive session,n also did a closed test drive for auto journo to get some feedback. many of the market info gathering were done by the consultant assigned,n this time around lg cns.
the main prob why such activity on public opinion like test drive session to the public is the same across any manufacturer, due to secrecy of the company,u dont know whether whether among there are your competitor insiders.
thats why competitors benchmarking are done coz its easily to obtain info from public view.
for example,based on people feedback, ride n handling.
many like myvi due to its comfort,not handling,but many like fiesta for its handling character. so,for ride,the benchmark is myvi,handling is fiesta.
by using adams,this two cars traits being analysed.
after doing extensively modeling,then the prototype is ready for real world testing. then comparison will be done,n test will be done until the target achieved it within target cost n time frame.

not everybody has the same taste,so they try their best to simulate them. thats why none manufacturer can do it perfectly.

thats why u cant actually argued that some may say example vios handle like a charm. if for them,that is their definition of ride n handling,then so be it,atleast for me.

thats why i always said in my opinion, i think n etc.

however,it doesnt mean that u cant try it,no harm done,maybe an email or letter request on behalf saga club to get a closed group opinion n test drive session ;-).

it keeps me smiling on how malaysian attitudes toward prtn. im not mad at all,it just really cnfusing. during preve crash accident in east coast, so many comments on engine detaching feature,n if is true,then prtn shud make official statement. then official statement came out,people say prtn just make an excuse. eventhough the marketing team being said not doing good job,its hard actually to tell everything in a piece of paper.

it will be a booklet not less than 50pages if u want to tell everything from a to z.

same like collapsible steering column which being incorporated since waja n its the base for every prtn since waja,no need to put that in. coz the higher the marketing cost,it will absorb to the cost of the car. so need to be prudent enough. prtn isnt selling car at the same volume as others.

same as rebadge perdana for the G,previously many bash it as a backward move,then when official statement mentioned it will be heavily modified n just jv platform sharing,also get a lot of bashing why change it when rebadge is good,making car from scratch is no good.

i really cant understand it...:-)

part of the blame can be put on marketing team,but not entirely.

when u said that,i think i shud convey this to my source cuz i didnt know people dun know bout it. its part of standard homogolation rules on steering component. maybe he can do sumthing bout it.

there r many actually,maybe if i got the time n info from my sos,will post it here just 4 sharing info on standard safety aspect.

no mr david,im not saying that u r saying right or wrong,i just explaining why rarely they do as ur request. n i did also mentioned the sop on how u can actually try out to voice out the request.

requesting using official group n right channel,they may layan u. if personal request,then hard though. some clubs members even managed to get special invitation for closed events.

if u manage to get invitation,u can voice out any question n suggestion,especial those in rnd dept. they r really friendly from top level to bottom ;-).

it just they r fully occupy,rarely have time coz every year has new project to be undertaken.

just try out ur luck,who knows ull be their regulars :-). they do listen,even its not all.

great anology mr dares. :-). maybe i can use that to hint them.

hi mr zeone,as i mentioned earlier,its a standard or common,yup in any prtn made car. but in malaysia,the thing still sell by thd feedback cuz we dont really have a strict body to govern on auto related development.

even some r still reluctant to meet unece r94 n 95 rules unless when they release new model or facelift.

thats why when read closely,many new model n facelift,in the report,news especially paultan,u will see the word this car or mpv meet unece r 94 n 95. start with almera n even facelift livina also they mentioned it cuz previously not following the standard :-),being exempted. since last year,it bcnme mandatory. this year,dual airbags.. but i think shud upgrade it. not only airbags,but more than 50 homogolation,then others will have to send their euro version car n engine :-),

well,if u r talking on pre 2005,yes those imports had hefty tax bracket. but nowadays,at the same cubic capacity,yup,tax here based on that,the diff is around 30% of cif. its not on the total sale price.

if u know the cif,the 30% of those imports aka cbu from non mfn is just around 10k the diff the max at the same cc as prtn.

many things taken into account cnsidering final price of the car including distribution cost,marketing cost n even assembling cost(normally hidden to get low tax charge,and added it back under distribution cost)n last but not least distributor profit. dont be cnfius it with manufacturer profit coz manucturer profit included in cif price.

if wanna compare cars from thailand or indo,one need to know how tax being work out there. for example,those cars like almera,mirage,attrage,brio that use 1.2l based engine,they get lower tax bracket compare to others,which normally around 60% of cif.

to blame umw or sime 100% on the ommision of safety equipments also unfair coz around asean,those cars also being sold with minimum safety equipments,n umw n sime didnt even involve in.

only the part of blame is hefty distribution profit they charge. but we can raise our cncern on media n etc especially the owners like what we had done to prtn.

but the problem is now,the voice raised up by non owners,which when they make a market survey,it just bcome a small portion that will affect the decision. thats why u always heard in the media they mentioned that according to the market,they dont demand more than 2 airbags,vsc n

and if u r talking bout toyota,hnda,specifically vios,city n even jazz,they r fall under the same tax bracket as prtn n p2. for jazz,the dont adjust the price accordingly previously,only recently by ckding,according to last nap,by ckd the car,the car cmpany will get some kind of rebate on company tax,not car tax unless cbu non mfn.

thats why city n jazz price is kinda ridicule currently. but who knows they will adjust it for the new city. unless,they still want to enjoy high profit due to its popularity.

thats why recent prtn in thailand is expensive compare in malaysia even with lower tax bracket in thailand due to distribution cost,marketing cost n distributor profit.

non of this foreign distributor just want a profit margin of 5k percar,when the car isnt that easy to sell.

:-)but on weakness of prtn,i have to admit that. but they r working towards its. no car manufacturer want their customer to flock away. its business after all.

the premium spec gsc currently will have 6airbags,esc,front parking sensor. the pass airbags indicator wont be at the same row as others button(lesson learnt from preve).

the overal meter panel is back to moto cycle facia,n its smart info display is kinda better than preve. but as usual, fuel indicator in digital.

the ac dial is now diff,but no auto climate for the time being as to reduce the cost. but touch screen is dedicated for premium. as far as plan,all around leather wrapping is expected,one of the option is nappa,but not to put too much expectation on the later (nappa :-)) coz its cost associate.

thats is what im being told by my sos kicap :-). but i think mr dares will feel familiar with the design of meter cluster :-)

ah,all the buttons at the cetre dash is familiar with another prtn previously,obviously not preve.