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PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V57, Nothing to see here...
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ruby1288
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 Jan 14 2014, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:31 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I'm not saying who is right/wrong. The truth is, Plotong ady made a bad name since 1986. My father first Saga 1300 ady having overheat, melted the radiator within 1 month after purchase. Following by a long haul of aircond fan issue, power window failure issues none stop until car being sold. Ask me, we think that's just bad luck. Bought a lemon unit. So we did it again, another unit at 1989, this time radiator no melt. But the rear wheel bearing was broken prematurely, the whole wheel and brake hub was detached from the rear arm. My dad was still asking, "wah! whose tayar is that ar? Bunga still very deep wor" then only our car sunk. Nonetheless, the well know Powerwindow Rosak Oh Tidak Oh No, so as the later version came with alarm system, central lock system failure, alarm unit cigaoxin midnight sendiri trigger. It was just too awful to own a Plotong back then. We gave them 2nd chance, but they still manage to screw up so badly.
Until we learn it, we spend alot less to purchase used Proton Saga when 1993 the all new Iswara came alive, old 12v Proton Saga price plunge down the drain. We start to get good deals. Buying a 1989 used Saga 1.5s only cost us about 18k back then! WOHOO! Not only we save up the cost of purchasing new car, but the previous owner already dump a huge sum amount i repairing the THEN NEW CAR. Alarm system is after market, power window unit was refurbished, replacement part direct import from Japan Lancer Fiore. Not only that! My house Saga is 1 of the few that has rear power window and Lancer door trim! We've been using that 2nd hand Saga happily ever after because the previous owner already done all the necessary repair to his NEW CAR until the roof start to bubble. Repair, again bubble. Even that we kept the car until 2012, sold the spare part separately for about 3.5k(still worth that much!). Who sei Plotong depreciate fast? Buying a new Plotong yes indeed butt hurt, but are you gonna sell it next year? I definitely not. I'll be the buyer. Buying a lightly used 2nd hand Plotong car is so much fun!
Seriously dude, Plotong even rebadge also can screw up. I'm consider lucky for myself. I've obtained tremendous amount of maintenance knowledge in a bloody Plotong. I can change me own power window motor, so as centre lock actuator. I can do my engine overhaul, should I say thanks to Plotong rebadged Lancer Fiore? Again I shall reemphasize, I don't hate Plotong. If u know me well enough, I'm more of a Plotong fan boy, have been buying Plotong none stop until today, I still have 3 of them running around. My GaGa is 1 of the newest and well behaved car. The Renault Savvy... maintenance cost for the past 1 year has costs the purchase price of the car. My next target? May be a used Preve?sudah manyak kali cakap ni  |
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dares
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Jan 14 2014, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:08 PM) part of the blame can be put on marketing team,but not entirely. when u said that,i think i shud convey this to my source cuz i didnt know people dun know bout it. its part of standard homogolation rules on steering component. maybe he can do sumthing bout it. Oh I just re-read my previous post. The second paragraph does not refer to the collapsible steering column specifically, but how the brochures are designed. The Gaga brochure only cares about showing specs, while the Myvi brochure showcases the important features....the HU, airbags, timing chain, ABS with brake assist... etc. etc..WITH PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS!!! When I first bought my FLX SE, all I got was a flyer with a picture of the car in front and the specs on the back, it's not even a brochure. Even the Viva has a better brochure  It's like P2 is trying to sell you a proper car, while P1 is trying to sell you a truck with the only promise that it will move. This post has been edited by dares: Jan 14 2014, 06:42 PM |
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davidke20
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Jan 14 2014, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:38 PM) sudah manyak kali cakap ni I said MAY BE, could still be anor GaGa QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 06:40 PM) It's like P2 is trying to sell you a proper car, while P1 is trying to sell you a truck with the only promise that it will move. I rike  |
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mat79
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Jan 14 2014, 06:48 PM
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no mr david,im not saying that u r saying right or wrong,i just explaining why rarely they do as ur request. n i did also mentioned the sop on how u can actually try out to voice out the request.
requesting using official group n right channel,they may layan u. if personal request,then hard though. some clubs members even managed to get special invitation for closed events.
if u manage to get invitation,u can voice out any question n suggestion,especial those in rnd dept. they r really friendly from top level to bottom ;-).
it just they r fully occupy,rarely have time coz every year has new project to be undertaken.
just try out ur luck,who knows ull be their regulars :-). they do listen,even its not all.
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mat79
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Jan 14 2014, 06:51 PM
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great anology mr dares. :-). maybe i can use that to hint them.
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ruby1288
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Jan 14 2014, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 06:40 PM) Oh I just re-read my previous post. The second paragraph does not refer to the collapsible steering column specifically, but how the brochures are designed. The Gaga brochure only cares about showing specs, while the Myvi brochure showcases the important features....the HU, airbags, timing chain, ABS with brake assist... etc. etc..WITH PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS!!! When I first bought my FLX SE, all I got was a flyer with a picture of the car in front and the specs on the back, it's not even a brochure. Even the Viva has a better brochure It's like P2 is trying to sell you a proper car, while P1 is trying to sell you a truck with the only promise that it will move. most ppl bai car don think how they gonna use the car only when they go shopping mall / travel then only they figure why my car boot so small 50K price tag for a New Car with boot, 1.6L auto tranny with guranteed low maintenance cost, in my opinion is damn blardy daylight good steal. I can't think of any other model that has a higher value for money than this deswai I bought it. |
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zeone
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Jan 14 2014, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:37 PM) same like collapsible steering column which being incorporated since waja n its the base for every prtn since waja,no need to put that in. coz the higher the marketing cost,it will absorb to the cost of the car. so need to be prudent enough. prtn isnt selling car at the same volume as others. Hi Bro...  Do we really hv that feature in our present Sagas (BLM/FL/FLX/SV)? Mayb it's such an old (ancient, perhaps) feature that P1 felt not even worth mentioning? My old old VW 1300 Beetle in the late 60s oledi hv that feature!!  QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 05:58 PM) On the issue of the collapsible steering column, P2 does show it on their Myvi brochure, that's why ppl think Myvi is safer than Gaga. I didn't even knew this feature existed on Proton cars before you posted it just now. And if a normal customer go to both P1 and P2 showroom and compare the brochures for gaga and Myvi, he/she won't want to buy a Gaga. That's why I say P1 marketing fails like nobody else. Hi Bro... To a discerning buyer, safety features in car they buy means alot nowadays...in view of traffic density & risks on roads...  This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 14 2014, 07:02 PM |
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Alphabet Mulia
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Jan 14 2014, 07:11 PM
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today pi servis kereta. 5 jam tunggu..
i asked the sc to rectify my car's problem..
asik berbunyi sebelah pintu passenger..finally, after 5hours, siap.
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Rascal Stitch
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Jan 14 2014, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jan 13 2014, 11:54 AM) lol,not my workshop,dun simply take no worries~ not urs also nvm la~ bila wa angkat then jus say 'masuk Mahihi's bill saja~'  |
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zeone
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Jan 14 2014, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(Alphabet Mulia @ Jan 14 2014, 07:11 PM) today pi servis kereta. 5 jam tunggu.. i asked the sc to rectify my car's problem.. asik berbunyi sebelah pintu passenger..finally, after 5hours, siap. Hi Bro... 5 jam??  |
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Alphabet Mulia
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Jan 14 2014, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 14 2014, 07:58 PM) ahak2..act 3 hrs only..the othr 2 hrs waiting for my turn..but the services provided are good. this is the third tym i go to the sc..nxt week will claim for my headlamp warranty..both side problem.. btw,anyone here know how much the engine cover? i asked the prson in charge there for quotation. the engine cover cost is rm129 and the bracket is rm52. i also asked quotation for next major service.. rm470.. include engine oil treatment and balancing. |
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TitanRev
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Jan 14 2014, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:51 PM) most ppl bai car don think how they gonna use the car only when they go shopping mall / travel then only they figure why my car boot so small 50K price tag for a New Car with boot, 1.6L auto tranny with guranteed low maintenance cost, in my opinion is damn blardy daylight good steal. I can't think of any other model that has a higher value for money than this deswai I bought it. Actually how many pages of the brochure don't matter. Because most ppl just look at the images and glance through the brochure. I had a period training as a showroom guy and 8 out of 10 will still ask you the question which is already in the brochure. You try ask how many after buy a new car would go and read the whole owners manual... Majority ppl are just too lazy to read.. |
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dares
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Jan 14 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jan 14 2014, 09:02 PM) Actually how many pages of the brochure don't matter. Because most ppl just look at the images and glance through the brochure. I had a period training as a showroom guy and 8 out of 10 will still ask you the question which is already in the brochure. You try ask how many after buy a new car would go and read the whole owners manual... Majority ppl are just too lazy to read.. memang dun matter how many pages.... But when one is paper flyer the other is a proper brochure.....you get the idea la. |
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lhwj
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Jan 14 2014, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Jan 14 2014, 08:15 AM) Tried the Forester liao?  Haven't tried a URABUS before but would love to if I get the chance  QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:37 PM) on a side note, plotong car key designs needs to be changed. . damn stupid key too fragile. only 1 screw keeping the whole casing together and you expect the glue on the top part to last for 2 years min ?  Been using the same key for more than three years and it's still in one piece  QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 09:12 AM) Like it or not, EPS will be widely adopted  Anyways I have no problems with the Fiesta's EPS, but the same can't be said for my experience with the Accord's, Vios's and especially the Myvi's EPS. I just hope Proton does a better job at it than Perodua did I know EPS being standard is inevitable and I can accept it. I just hope that it's decent in accuracy, weight and feel. A car with a horrible steering is horrible to drive, period. Anyway here's a good article about the Porkshare's "bottom up" EPS system. |
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mat79
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Jan 14 2014, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 14 2014, 06:53 PM) Hi Bro... Do we really hv that feature in our present Sagas (BLM/FL/FLX/SV)? Mayb it's such an old (ancient, perhaps) feature that P1 felt not even worth mentioning? My old old VW 1300 Beetle in the late 60s oledi hv that feature!! Hi Bro... To a discerning buyer, safety features in car they buy means alot nowadays...in view of traffic density & risks on roads... hi mr zeone,as i mentioned earlier,its a standard or common,yup in any prtn made car. but in malaysia,the thing still sell by thd feedback cuz we dont really have a strict body to govern on auto related development. even some r still reluctant to meet unece r94 n 95 rules unless when they release new model or facelift. thats why when read closely,many new model n facelift,in the report,news especially paultan,u will see the word this car or mpv meet unece r 94 n 95. start with almera n even facelift livina also they mentioned it cuz previously not following the standard :-),being exempted. since last year,it bcnme mandatory. this year,dual airbags.. but i think shud upgrade it. not only airbags,but more than 50 homogolation,then others will have to send their euro version car n engine :-), |
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zeone
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Jan 14 2014, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 14 2014, 09:13 PM) hi mr zeone,as i mentioned earlier,its a standard or common,yup in any prtn made car. but in malaysia,the thing still sell by thd feedback cuz we dont really have a strict body to govern on auto related development. even some r still reluctant to meet unece r94 n 95 rules unless when they release new model or facelift. thats why when read closely,many new model n facelift,in the report,news especially paultan,u will see the word this car or mpv meet unece r 94 n 95. start with almera n even facelift livina also they mentioned it cuz previously not following the standard :-),being exempted. since last year,it bcnme mandatory. this year,dual airbags.. but i think shud upgrade it. not only airbags,but more than 50 homogolation,then others will have to send their euro version car n engine :-), Many tks, Bro mat79, 4yr kind response 2my post!  Frankly, me hv read yr posts off & on in here as well as other p1 discussion threads... May I commend yu 4yr sincere views & comments re probs & issues/items of interest brought up by users/owners of P1 vehicles... IMHO yu are a rare breed in these modern times & thus is like a fresh breeze rarely experienced fr car makers... On behalf of all who hv gained fr yr clarifications & "revelations", i TQvM !! Keep up the good work, pls!!  |
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dares
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Jan 14 2014, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jan 14 2014, 09:08 PM) I know EPS being standard is inevitable and I can accept it. I just hope that it's decent in accuracy, weight and feel. A car with a horrible steering is horrible to drive, period. Anyway here's a good article about the Porkshare's "bottom up" EPS system. I guess it's a good thing that, according the mat79, the GSC's EPS is from ZF  |
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lhwj
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Jan 14 2014, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 09:32 PM) I guess it's a good thing that, according the mat79, the GSC's EPS is from ZF Let's hope so Porkshare style EPS in Plotong |
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TitanRev
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Jan 14 2014, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jan 14 2014, 09:07 PM) memang dun matter how many pages.... But when one is paper flyer the other is a proper brochure.....you get the idea la. I remember in Italy the F430 "brochure" was a piece of color paper front and back printing only. Hahahahaha I must say that it was the Japanese brochure that is the amazing ones. I need to ask my brother where all the brochures went and bring it to show u guys during TT. I also have the DVD brochure for the R35 |
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dares
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Jan 14 2014, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jan 14 2014, 10:03 PM) Let's hope so Porkshare style EPS in Plotong New badge for Proton GSC | LOTUS | | RIDE & HANDLING | | (PORSCHE STEERING) |
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