Does hybrid have that kinda torque nowadays? Never driven one before. . Maybe wi'll try the next time they bring in 4x4 hybrid.. But 4x4 hybrid just sounds weird right now

First thing first, let's not make this a diesel vs petrol vs hybrid bashing thread.

Diesel ain't perfect. I believe most who are driving a diesel are not looking at pure performance but more of a balance between power & FC ie. fun to drive & yet returns decent FC as for a petrol to offer such "fun", one mostly likely will not be able to enjoy such FC. Any petrol or hybrid offers 6-7L/100km FC with 184bhp/380Nm of fun?

For mixed city/highway driving, an example of how diesel has much better FC compared to a hybrid:

http://a6hybrid.forumms.net/t34p15-latest-fuel-consumption

Most clocked 8-9L/100km while the similar class BMW 520d clocks about 7L/100km on average. No idea on HSD systems, maybe you can highlight a few to share?

Any car offers great FC for highway so long that you drives in behaved manner, be it petrol, diesel or hybrid.

Depends on how you define outrun. Most diesels have their torque available from 1.7-3.8k rpm which are very much useful in terms of overtaking on highways or for a short sprint, should one feels adventurous.

Here's some reading for those interested to know more about modern day diesels (mostly reviews):

http://jalopnik.com/how-i-annihilated-the-...-got-1188783507

http://jalopnik.com/2014-bmw-535d-the-jalo...view-1466759461

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-diesel-truck-b...supra-464851791

Very balanced review for Jetta of all variants (petrol vs hybrid vs diesel) and how the TDI gpt a very slim margin over the hybrid in the FC test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/20...li-vs-25-review

Ad-blue is there to reduce Nox emissions probably because the engine is only rated to euro4 but emissions require euro5 already, so without having to change a new car, manufacturers install this treatment system to cope as stop gap while they develop new engine to meet euro5.

like the skyactiv 2.2 diesel, they already got it euro5 or 6 maybe even but can do away with the ad blue because it meets the emissions standard already

my issue with hybrids is, you have to adjust your driving in order to meet the claimed fuel consumption, meaning you always have to be aware of not accelarating too hard, concentrating on all those lights and bars and what not.

a diesel is itself inherently efficient already, even if you dont pay too much attention to driving style you'll still enjoy savings and when you do put your foot down it doesnt get all screamy at you that you're killing trees, choking the world etc etc , flashing angry lights and graphs until you slow down

anybody here added tuning box(racechip, dtuk, vector, etc) to their diesel engine? apparently can gain quite alot of power.... but was told that may cause black smoke when we floor it.....

I am so glad to see that so far the discussion has been mature and informative. I will post my (longer) reply when I have the time later to answer a few queries that was raised for me.

My number one pet peeve.

I test drove the CRZ, and was blown away by how (under) power the car is. When i put it to "Economy" I thought the car broke down and is not moving... until the sale person nodded sagely and said "Memang macam ini, tak ada power".

If I have to drive liek that to get xyxKM/liter..... then give me the smog producing tree killing diesel any day.

Even without the tuning boxes when you put the pedal to the medal, you get black smoke coming out of the exhaust. It is the typical characteristic of the diesel engine.

1) Yup totally agreed, the cars with the larger CC petrol engines will outrun the diesels because the diesel engines will then run out of breath. They call it the PME syndrome.

2) Actually it is RM120 for 750km 100% city driving. Still less than the Hybrid but without the fun of the torque pull.

3) Long stretch flat road, yes, the car with more horsepower will usually fly away. But on a hill climb, the torque from the diesel does play a very important role and help them out.

Its a given as usually petrol cars comes with higher HP if cc being equal. But, how fast we wanna go on the highway? I usually dont push anything above 220.... if someone still coming at those speed i wont bother to push anymore, why bother push to 230/240/250... sure u can go... but the safety/risk ratio just went thru the roof.

So reckon anything above 200kmh is kinda a moot point.

oh ok... I've not noticed black smoke on mine(from the rear view mirror) yet..... maybe coz it's still new.....

Highways aren't the best place to test that. I notice that a lot more on the track, after turns 14 and turns 15 in Sepang.

I aint bringing a pickup to sepang lol!

I'll just use it for spewing black smoke at the car behind, shining my headlights into the car infront, and generally bullying smaller cars on the road

if turbo diesel then yes...


tried pajero...no black smoke also...

step pedal softly also easy easy reach 80kph in town...

Bro. . With yr pickup. . If someone come fast also no need to bother.. coz yr ride is big and they can't see front they will slow down.. They Flash also no point.. coz ye bumper so high can't feel the flash also. As long as you not doing 30kmh on fast Lane la. . Lol. .

Cannot lah... like that become road hogger jor.. too much le

Lol..I meant if we already doing 120kmh and yet the little ones wanna Flash.. Let them la. . I'll take my time to move in coz he can't do anything anyways. .

Back to discussion..I think should compare pound by pound. To have same power as my 3.0l td, Toyota had to produce 4l petrol whilst hybrid don't even hybrid4x4 yet in Malaysia.. hybrid good for little cars n petrol generally still ok for sedan or anything weighing less than 1.5 tonnes. . To move my 2.5 tonnes dugong whale efficiently, diesel is the best.

used to added racechip pro to my ford sedan...increased the number of torq but only few number of hp..easily smoke the tires

best result...go for ecu tuning . now , happy with 160ps/353Nm ...on wheel

Drove a Renault Kangoo DCi70 turbo diesel when new from showroom to office. At traffic lights, I dumped the clutch and hit 160kph on straights outran a stock Putra. Damn, this bloody van can really pull! After few years, bought another unit. Will be buying more as company expand over time. Really worth it. Cheap (no resale value), economical to run (RM 80 = 700km mileage), powerful (can tapau almost every 1800cc car except turbo charged ones) and lastly, huge load of space inside. Unfortunately, it is only available for commercial usage. I found a private version at Jalan Ipoh but at last, too late... sold to new owner.

My dad is considering trading in his 323i for a 320d because bmw told him it's cheaper maintenance and more fuel efficient. He even got a test unit when his car was in the BMW workshop. He was impressed with the power compare to his 323i