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 Are you ok driving a diesel car?, What are your thoughts around it?

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teikwing
post Dec 9 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Dec 9 2013, 11:14 AM)
need to q long long to pump or not??
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Highway stations maybe yes but never experienced before for stations around the city. Generally, Petronas pumps around PJ/Bangsar area have low traffic.


QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
I ticked on "No I'm unsure about its reliability". Other factors that may come into play:-

1) Most diesel powered vehicles are in the higher priced bracket, not many choices.

--Lowest priced diesel car should the Ford Focus TDCI. Too bad they don't carry the same engine for the new Focus. A used BMW E90 320d is about 120-130k nowadays.

2) Price of diesel close to RON95, not too much of a difference

--Despite being only RM0.10 cheaper than the RON95, overall cost savings is huge for someone that travels alot as diesel cars provide much better milleage.

3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.

--Simple solution is to use a glove. No issue with that smile.gif

4) Occassionally there are quotas for diesel usage at petrol stations. Sometimes diesel are unavailable. Limited to RM50 per vehicle.

--Certain stations yes. Generally only applicable to those located nearby or along the way of industrial areas. In commercial areas like PJ, only the Petronas station opposite Eastin has limited supply/quotas. Never has such experiece with the ones in Damansara Jaya, TTDI and Bangsar.
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General public perception on diesel-powered cars is noisy, smelly & dirty but once I show em my monthly diesel bills & distance covered (700-800km 100% city driving OR 1000 100% highway driving, both for a 60L tank or RM120 per full tank) which can match or even better a hybrid plus the torque that can outrun most if not all hybrids anytime, they are impressed.

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post Dec 9 2013, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Dec 9 2013, 04:57 PM)
And not to forget giving ppl behind us a WTF face when we pulling away faster than them in a black smoke thanks to our EURO2 diesel grade smile.gif

Drove to Siam before and pump their PTT euro4 diesel, no more black soot @ the back of the exhaust tip.. also regained the lost Horsepower..
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QUOTE(Wilson13B @ Dec 9 2013, 06:14 PM)
Agreed with you , Diesel engine have higher fuel efficiency compare to a Petrol/Gasoline engine , they convert more power from fuel and less heat was wasted as most of them are turbocharged .

U driving a F10 520D is it ? I drove one too , it's way more fun than driving a hybrid with a FC even better than hybrid . It has its huge torque developed low down at the rev range and there is power & torque everywhere in the rev range .
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E90 320d. Same N47 engine as your F10. smile.gif

Coming from a petrol NA 2.5L car, I have no qualms or complains whatsover after getting a diesel. I saved much more in terms of fuel expenditure, gets much more fun driving and pulling away from traffic with the immense amount of the torque & generally lower maintenance (no spark plugs, fully syn engine oil serviced every 7k km, fuel filter every 40k km & generally bullet-proof engine).

Hence I would say for someone with a budget to get a car which has an option between petrol (turbo or NA) and diesel, I don't see a reason why not to get the diesel. Diesel being dirty & the clatter is only a very minor issues which are outweighted by various benefits of a diesel.
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post Dec 12 2013, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(dtna7 @ Dec 12 2013, 12:10 AM)
If performance is what you are after, you don't want a diesel. some people here don't even know what they are talking about apart from reading spec sheets. Diesel cars do not outrun people in highways, if a 50m stretch of city drag race is considered a race, yes, you can "smoke" people. doh.gif

diesels are great for HIGHWAY, you get great FC, on par with hybrid really. Not on City. RM120 for 600km 100% city is NOTHING compared to a hybrid. Proper hybrid like HSD can do 600km in half the price. Another example of ignorant posting doh.gif

Basically diesels are great for city drive with the torque, trying to challenge other petrol heads in a long stretch road is just pure ignorant of your own car. But FC wise diesel are much better at highway, while city is nothing to shout about really.

Don't believe what i posted? feel free to clarify via Mr Google.
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First thing first, let's not make this a diesel vs petrol vs hybrid bashing thread.

Diesel ain't perfect. I believe most who are driving a diesel are not looking at pure performance but more of a balance between power & FC ie. fun to drive & yet returns decent FC as for a petrol to offer such "fun", one mostly likely will not be able to enjoy such FC. Any petrol or hybrid offers 6-7L/100km FC with 184bhp/380Nm of fun?

For mixed city/highway driving, an example of how diesel has much better FC compared to a hybrid:

http://a6hybrid.forumms.net/t34p15-latest-fuel-consumption

Most clocked 8-9L/100km while the similar class BMW 520d clocks about 7L/100km on average. No idea on HSD systems, maybe you can highlight a few to share?

Any car offers great FC for highway so long that you drives in behaved manner, be it petrol, diesel or hybrid.

Depends on how you define outrun. Most diesels have their torque available from 1.7-3.8k rpm which are very much useful in terms of overtaking on highways or for a short sprint, should one feels adventurous.

Here's some reading for those interested to know more about modern day diesels (mostly reviews):

http://jalopnik.com/how-i-annihilated-the-...-got-1188783507

http://jalopnik.com/2014-bmw-535d-the-jalo...view-1466759461

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-diesel-truck-b...supra-464851791

Very balanced review for Jetta of all variants (petrol vs hybrid vs diesel) and how the TDI gpt a very slim margin over the hybrid in the FC test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/20...li-vs-25-review







teikwing
post Dec 12 2013, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Dec 12 2013, 09:33 AM)
anybody here added tuning box(racechip, dtuk, vector, etc) to their diesel engine? apparently can gain quite alot of power.... but was told that may cause black smoke when we floor it.....
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Depends on the brand of diesel too ie. BHP/Petronas is ok while Shell spew out lotsa black smoke per my observation.

On the tuning side, some claimed Burger Motorsport's JBD has less black smoke compared to DTUK after testing both. However, DTUK is known to be the best piggyback among all ie. highest hp/torque produced without triggering the CEL, its the most flexible among all as well, has 28 settings to play around with. In terms of pricing:

JBD - MYR1000 (Single-channel: Fuel rail only)
Vector - MYR1500 (Single-channel: Fuel rail only)
DTUK - MYR1800 (Dual-channel: Fuel rail + boost)
Racechip - +/- MYR2000 (Unsure)

QUOTE(Johnix @ Dec 12 2013, 04:39 PM)
My dad is considering trading in his 323i for a 320d because bmw told him it's cheaper maintenance and more fuel efficient. He even got a test unit when his car was in the BMW workshop. He was impressed with the power compare to his 323i
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Generally, it's cheaper to maintain a diesel BMW as compared to its petrol siblings.
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post Dec 12 2013, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Dec 12 2013, 07:53 PM)
Tempting but expensive locally. Anybody tried to buy from the internet since it's virtually plug & play?

Anyway, how to know if it's single / dual channel thingy?
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Prices provided earlier are among the best in the market. JBD & DTUK gotta purchase from overseas to get a better deal (JBD-install in SG with free dyno; DTUK-buy directly from website) while Vector has a local distro.

Single or dual-channel can be known by looking at its specifications.

teikwing
post Dec 12 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Johnix @ Dec 12 2013, 09:29 PM)
Are you driving a 320d? why some 320d i saw on mudah does not come with i drive? Need to get some info for my dad. Btw, how much is the road tax for a diesel 2.0?
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2009-early 2010 ones no iDrive. Roadtax is RM377.50/year.
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post Dec 27 2013, 10:51 PM

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Clocked 5.6L/100km over the week. KL-Taiping-Besut-Kota Bharu-Besut. Approx. 830km travelled on 45L of Petronas diesel. Mixed highway, city & trunk roads driving.

Journey between Grik, Perak & Jeli, Kelantan is among the best roads I've driven. A lot of uphill & downhill with challenging turns. Diesel's torque comes in very handy in this kinda route. The only turn-off is the road conditions which at certain areas are just really bad (especially Kelantan side).

This is the best milleage clocked over 10k km (average currently 6.9L/100km). Worst being 8.7L/100km, 100% city drive & rempit-mode on all the time laugh.gif
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post Mar 4 2014, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(boysrule @ Mar 4 2014, 08:24 PM)
Collected Santa Fe DM executive plus for my dad last Sunday. Fill to the first tick rm120. Still on first tank.. Salesman recommend BHP diesel.
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Always been alternating between Petronas & BHP only for my diesel sedan. Petronas gives much better milleage while BHP gives marginally less but felt more powerful

QUOTE(Bliz @ Mar 4 2014, 10:16 PM)
Been driving a ford focus tdci for almost 3 years, and enjoying every moment of it!
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Is it riding on a piggyback? Turbo diesel + piggyback tuning = Heaven to me
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post Mar 4 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Mar 4 2014, 10:32 PM)
Nope, stock car, just 136hp and 320Nm  doh.gif
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Bolded part. Sufficient enough. smile.gif

 

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