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TSMavik
post Dec 9 2013, 11:08 AM, updated 12y ago

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Hey guys, want to know what are some of your thoughts regarding driving diesel powered vehicles. May it be the Ford Focus TDCI, BMW 320d, Peugeot, the pickup trucks, etc, etc.
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:14 AM

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need to q long long to pump or not??
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM

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I ticked on "No I'm unsure about its reliability". Other factors that may come into play:-

1) Most diesel powered vehicles are in the higher priced bracket, not many choices.

2) Price of diesel close to RON95, not too much of a difference

3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.

4) Occassionally there are quotas for diesel usage at petrol stations. Sometimes diesel are unavailable. Limited to RM50 per vehicle.


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post Dec 9 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Dec 9 2013, 11:14 AM)
need to q long long to pump or not??
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Yes, sometimes there are queues, especially by large trucks or lorries if the petrol station is on a highway.
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:25 AM

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I've owned a diesel before, and drove several modern diesels. Not in Malaysia though. But yeah, I'm fine with it.
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:33 AM

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I'm okay driving a diesel car but not when refilling it at the station. It's not only the floor that is tainted with strong diesel smell due to the lorry or truck drivers in a hurry(usually less careful or considerate than common passenger vehicles), but the handle of the pump as well. It's usually oily when you touch it. Fortunately, we have a driver on our trips with diesel-powered cars.
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:35 AM

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My impression on Diesel is noisy and smelly. Don't feel right with it
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post Dec 9 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Dec 9 2013, 11:14 AM)
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On a bad day, especially on the North South highway, yes. At one point of time there are 3 to 4 large trucks or tankers queuing up with our (small) SUV, everyone fighting for the station. And usually the large trucks will take quite some time to fill up, so yeah, there is some tension build-up when many vehicles are "Fighting" for one or two diesel pump stations.
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post Dec 9 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Dec 9 2013, 11:14 AM)
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Highway stations maybe yes but never experienced before for stations around the city. Generally, Petronas pumps around PJ/Bangsar area have low traffic.


QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
I ticked on "No I'm unsure about its reliability". Other factors that may come into play:-

1) Most diesel powered vehicles are in the higher priced bracket, not many choices.

--Lowest priced diesel car should the Ford Focus TDCI. Too bad they don't carry the same engine for the new Focus. A used BMW E90 320d is about 120-130k nowadays.

2) Price of diesel close to RON95, not too much of a difference

--Despite being only RM0.10 cheaper than the RON95, overall cost savings is huge for someone that travels alot as diesel cars provide much better milleage.

3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.

--Simple solution is to use a glove. No issue with that smile.gif

4) Occassionally there are quotas for diesel usage at petrol stations. Sometimes diesel are unavailable. Limited to RM50 per vehicle.

--Certain stations yes. Generally only applicable to those located nearby or along the way of industrial areas. In commercial areas like PJ, only the Petronas station opposite Eastin has limited supply/quotas. Never has such experiece with the ones in Damansara Jaya, TTDI and Bangsar.
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General public perception on diesel-powered cars is noisy, smelly & dirty but once I show em my monthly diesel bills & distance covered (700-800km 100% city driving OR 1000 100% highway driving, both for a 60L tank or RM120 per full tank) which can match or even better a hybrid plus the torque that can outrun most if not all hybrids anytime, they are impressed.

This post has been edited by teikwing: Dec 9 2013, 01:14 PM
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post Dec 9 2013, 01:37 PM

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I been thinking to get a used unit of Ford Focus TDCI for quite sometime. Resale value remains good at 85-90K for a 2010 unit. Still ain't sure on how the aftersales from Ford Mysia thought.


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post Dec 9 2013, 01:57 PM

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why not?
power, reliability and FC all also have
long run, definitely save money because low FC

but there are ppl that still prefer petrol for NO REASON AT ALL
for example theres a customer that i serve...he wanted a X6...since i only have diesel available...showed him that
he asked me which is better..i STRONGLY recommend diesel...he STRONGLY want petrol...just because he say diesel is noisy....what to do...haizzzz
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post Dec 9 2013, 01:58 PM

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So often when I pump petrol I'll see the sign: "diesel habis"...

So really have to been aware if you are driving a diesel car?
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post Dec 9 2013, 02:04 PM

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I let my wife drove my Diesel SUV, yes its a bit dirty.. and sometimes the quota towards end of the month finished.. but the savings that she had compare to my own usage daily driven petrol car is more that enough to make my experience with diesel car nicer. ....

Oh did i mention VGT? .........

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QUOTE(pobox @ Dec 9 2013, 11:35 AM)
My impression on Diesel is noisy and smelly. Don't feel right with it
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You don't have experience with new diesels, do you?

VW diesels are a bit noisy, but they pack quite a punch and are very frugal. Ford isn't so noisy. BMW etc. will be rather hard to distinguish probably.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.

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i'm not sure abt other car
but in BMW...they have a weird design on the fuel hole that its smaller than our nozzle
so it will not fully enter and u cannot pump full throttle
only way it to remove the "gate"
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post Dec 9 2013, 02:42 PM

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1. After 25th each month difficult pump diesel due to "Quota" habis
2. Malaysia's diesel is... shit. Still using Euro 2.5 whereas people using Euro 5/6.

The top 2 concern for me. Otherwise its all good.
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post Dec 9 2013, 02:43 PM

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I'm ok with diesel but only turbo diesels not NA diesels. Many years back, my family used to own a Wira 2.0D . It spews black smoke like nobody's business ala counter strike flash bang. laugh.gif Very frugal on fuel though. That one I agree.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
I ticked on "No I'm unsure about its reliability". Other factors that may come into play:-

1) Most diesel powered vehicles are in the higher priced bracket, not many choices.
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That's true. Those higher priced cars often come with a large cc petrol engine equivalent and they often come with smaller diesel engine as options.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
2) Price of diesel close to RON95, not too much of a difference
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For me personally I think diesel is not suited for smaller sedan cars. For bigger and heavier SUVs / MPVs, yes they are beneficial in terms of power and torque you get from a smaller engine.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.
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Yup. That is very unfortunate. I'm a new diesel user and with the little experience and observation I have, the bigger stations even have diesel pumps alongside the RON 95 / RON 97 pumps. In that way, mostly diesel powered private cars / SUVs will use it unlike the outside one that is usually reserved for bigger lorries.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Dec 9 2013, 11:18 AM)
4) Occassionally there are quotas for diesel usage at petrol stations. Sometimes diesel are unavailable. Limited to RM50 per vehicle.
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If you see this sign occasionally at the pump station around your area, then by all means don't drive a diesel.

QUOTE(teikwing @ Dec 9 2013, 01:09 PM)
Highway stations maybe yes but never experienced before for stations around the city. Generally, Petronas pumps around PJ/Bangsar area have low traffic.
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A full tank of diesel will most of the time outlast the longest highway stretch in Malaysia.

QUOTE(teikwing @ Dec 9 2013, 01:09 PM)
General public perception on diesel-powered cars is noisy, smelly & dirty but once I show em my monthly diesel bills & distance covered (700-800km 100% city driving OR 1000 100% highway driving, both for a 60L tank or RM120 per full tank) which can match or even better a hybrid plus the torque that can outrun most if not all hybrids anytime, they are impressed.
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I believe I read an article somewhere that hybrids are not environmental friendly at all. If you factor in the waste generated during production of the batteries, the notoriously gas-guzzling Hummer is actually greener than the Prius. Also, not to mention the disposal of these batteries. Sometimes when I think about hybrid, automatically Lynas comes into the picture.

QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 9 2013, 01:57 PM)
why not?
power, reliability and FC all also have
long run, definitely save money because low FC
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Diesel fuel is Malaysia is not the cleanest. I believe the continental cars still have problems handling our diesel and that is probably why diesel cars as a general get a bad reputation.

QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 9 2013, 01:57 PM)
but there are ppl that still prefer petrol for NO REASON AT ALL
for example theres a customer that i serve...he wanted a X6...since i only have diesel available...showed him that
he asked me which is better..i STRONGLY recommend diesel...he STRONGLY want petrol...just because he say diesel is noisy....what to do...haizzzz
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Well, when a person can afford the X6, saving fuel is not on his top priority.

QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 9 2013, 01:58 PM)
So often when I pump petrol I'll see the sign: "diesel habis"...

So really have to been aware if you are driving a diesel car?
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If you see this sign occasionally at the pump station around your area, then by all means don't drive a diesel.

QUOTE(ajaibman @ Dec 9 2013, 02:04 PM)
I let my wife drove my Diesel SUV, yes its a bit dirty.. and sometimes the quota towards end of the month finished.. but the savings that she had compare to my own usage daily driven petrol car is more that enough to make my experience with diesel car nicer. ....

Oh did i mention VGT?  .........
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VGT for the win ! rclxms.gif


This post has been edited by jchue73: Dec 9 2013, 03:21 PM
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post Dec 9 2013, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 9 2013, 02:21 PM)
i'm not sure abt other car
but in BMW...they have a weird design on the fuel hole that its smaller than our nozzle
so it will not fully enter and u cannot pump full throttle
only way it to remove the "gate"
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I believe it is designed that way as a safety feature so that it is impossible for you to put in the larger petrol pump
nozzle into your diesel tank.

QUOTE(MeToo @ Dec 9 2013, 02:42 PM)
1. After 25th each month difficult pump diesel due to "Quota" habis
2. Malaysia's diesel is... shit. Still using Euro 2.5 whereas people using Euro 5/6.

The top 2 concern for me. Otherwise its all good.
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Don't know how much the government will subsidise the EURO 5/6 diesel but when it comes, are we willing to pay the price somewhere close to RON 97 pricing?

QUOTE(k!nex @ Dec 9 2013, 02:43 PM)
I'm ok with diesel but only turbo diesels not NA diesels. Many years back, my family used to own a Wira 2.0D . It spews black smoke like nobody's business ala counter strike flash bang.  laugh.gif  Very frugal on fuel though. That one I agree.
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Yes to turbo diesel. smile.gif

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