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post Aug 18 2014, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 18 2014, 03:02 PM)
You mean the ultramate DAS6 is quite heavy vibration? What if compared to those RB buffer machine? Which one vibrate more? Cause I've used a RO buffer machine and know the vibration level of that.
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Which RO buffer? If B&D or Bosch, then the DA has far greater vibration. The vibration is far greater than an RB.

QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 03:06 PM)
Quazacolt KrisMas sifu,

i just bought Meguairs Ultimate Polish ( Pre-Waxing Glaze) - this product is for polish or wax?

I found out this product can eliminate swirls marks very effectively...

do we need to apply wax again after using this product?

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It's a polish - contains abrasive that would remove defects and some fine polishing oils to amp up the gloss. Doesn't contain any protection so you'd need to apply a layer of protection (either wax or sealant) after using it.

QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Aug 18 2014, 03:53 PM)
More to private use bro.

Anyway I agree on the vibration part, it's fun and easy to use but to use it whole day is different story. Quite tempted to get a rupes 15.
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If you're looking for versatility between the three (Bigfoot, Flex & Ultramate) I would suggest the Ultramate simply because there are plenty of backing plates and pads sizes available so it's very much possible you can tackle the whole car (including all the curves, hard-to-reach areas, intricate surfaces, etc), that is if you can handle it's vibration. Bigfoot & Flex has limitation on some of those areas and I sometime still need to bring out my rotary with the spot pads. The main reason I went for the Bigfoot is simply because the vibration it created is not that much different from an RB....much much more tolerable for me.

So, if one machine, I would say Ultramate. But if you don't mind bringing out your rotary and also can afford the price tag, I would say the Bigfoot.

Anyway, best way is to try yourself la....and see what suit you best. Go visit Osren, I think they got all three machine for you to try sweat.gif .....
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 18 2014, 03:25 PM)
the product is called polish right?

have you read the product labels or looked up meguiar's video guides online?
or maybe search the thread a bit (i remembered someone asking that few pages ago)

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Thanks.. wonder this polisher will hurt paint job or not if use frequently? because i use to remove swirl marks.
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also, somehow i found that http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/prod...nerconditioner/ (leather cleaner conditioner) is not really good in eliminate the dirty cause on my leather.

do we have other cleaners for the leather seat?

and also stupid me.. i use wilson wax to eliminate the scartches on top of my steering wheel.. now it leave white thing... can make it back to original... sad.
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QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 04:17 PM)
Thanks.. wonder this polisher will hurt paint job or not if use frequently? because i use to remove swirl marks.
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The abrasive is very mild and quite safe for frequent use. By 'frequent' I mean maybe once in three or four months (on the whole car). If you need to use it more frequently than that, then you should better check what's causing all those swirls to keep coming back and take some preventive actions instead.

QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 04:25 PM)
also, somehow i found that http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/prod...nerconditioner/ (leather cleaner conditioner) is not really good in eliminate the dirty cause on my leather.

do we have other cleaners for the leather seat?

and also stupid me.. i use wilson wax to eliminate the scartches on top of my steering wheel.. now it leave white thing... can make it back to original... sad.
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I'm guessing you're just using it with a foam applicator (sponge) or cloth right? Try using a soft bristle shoe brush (those meant for cleaning leather shoes). There are chemicals available for cleaning leather seats which are far more effective than using the Megs one (since it is actually geared more for 'maintenance' cleaning) but need to know what type of leather.

What did you mean 'top of your steering wheel'? What material? Any pictures?
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post Aug 18 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 04:15 PM)
Which RO buffer? If B&D or Bosch, then the DA has far greater vibration. The vibration is far greater than an RB.
It's a polish - contains abrasive that would remove defects and some fine polishing oils to amp up the gloss. Doesn't contain any protection so you'd need to apply a layer of protection (either wax or sealant) after using it.
If you're looking for versatility between the three (Bigfoot, Flex & Ultramate) I would suggest the Ultramate simply because there are plenty of backing plates and pads sizes available so it's very much possible you can tackle the whole car (including all the curves, hard-to-reach areas, intricate surfaces, etc), that is if you can handle it's vibration. Bigfoot & Flex has limitation on some of those areas and I sometime still need to bring out my rotary with the spot pads. The main reason I went for the Bigfoot is simply because the vibration it created is not that much different from an RB....much much more tolerable for me.

So, if one machine, I would say Ultramate. But if you don't mind bringing out your rotary and also can afford the price tag, I would say the Bigfoot.

Anyway, best way is to try yourself la....and see what suit you best. Go visit Osren, I think they got all three machine for you to try sweat.gif .....
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I have the Ultramate DA and I agree it's more versatile with choices of BP and pads to match different jobs. But I think the DA is not very kind on small 3.5" pads and they tend to wear out my small pads easily with all the vibrations and pressure we put on the head of the DA.

I prefer to tackle tight panels like B pillars with a rotary. With small pads, the rotary is actually very easy to control.

Btw Krismas,why not get the Rupes Bigfoot Mini to complement your bigger Bigfoot? brows.gif


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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 04:53 PM)
The abrasive is very mild and quite safe for frequent use. By 'frequent' I mean maybe once in three or four months (on the whole car). If you need to use it more frequently than that, then you should better check what's causing all those swirls to keep coming back and take some preventive actions instead.
I'm guessing you're just using it with a foam applicator (sponge) or cloth right? Try using a soft bristle shoe brush (those meant for cleaning leather shoes). There are chemicals available for cleaning leather seats which are far more effective than using the Megs one (since it is actually geared more for 'maintenance' cleaning) but need to know what type of leather.

What did you mean 'top of your steering wheel'? What material? Any pictures?
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yes, im using clothe to clean my leather seat. Will try soft bristle brush as you suggest. I guess meguairs got 2 .. one is cleaner aka conditioner... and the other one is cleaner... which is in liquid form?.. hmm.. maybe i should try that.

I mean steering wheel cover.. got a bit scratch then i use wilson wax to get rid the scratch. and now got white mark like a bit stain on it... im thinking do i need to clean it by using detergent and apply meguairs interior liquid on it?

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post Aug 18 2014, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 04:15 PM)
Which RO buffer? If B&D or Bosch, then the DA has far greater vibration. The vibration is far greater than an RB.
It's a polish - contains abrasive that would remove defects and some fine polishing oils to amp up the gloss. Doesn't contain any protection so you'd need to apply a layer of protection (either wax or sealant) after using it.
If you're looking for versatility between the three (Bigfoot, Flex & Ultramate) I would suggest the Ultramate simply because there are plenty of backing plates and pads sizes available so it's very much possible you can tackle the whole car (including all the curves, hard-to-reach areas, intricate surfaces, etc), that is if you can handle it's vibration. Bigfoot & Flex has limitation on some of those areas and I sometime still need to bring out my rotary with the spot pads. The main reason I went for the Bigfoot is simply because the vibration it created is not that much different from an RB....much much more tolerable for me.

So, if one machine, I would say Ultramate. But if you don't mind bringing out your rotary and also can afford the price tag, I would say the Bigfoot.

Anyway, best way is to try yourself la....and see what suit you best. Go visit Osren, I think they got all three machine for you to try sweat.gif .....
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Oh, OSREN has Rupes too?
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post Aug 18 2014, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Aug 18 2014, 05:09 PM)
Oh, OSREN has Rupes too?
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They don't sell them but they got one for their own use & testing.
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Aug 18 2014, 04:55 PM)
Btw Krismas,why not get the Rupes Bigfoot Mini to complement your bigger Bigfoot? brows.gif
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Tried it. Maybe one day but for now just can't afford it. And, like you said, still prefer rotary & small pads for those areas. Oh...did I mention that it's also as expensive as it's bigger brother.... ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 05:26 PM)
Tried it. Maybe one day but for now just can't afford it. And, like you said, still prefer rotary & small pads for those areas. Oh...did I mention that it's also as expensive as it's bigger brother.... ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 05:26 PM)
Tried it. Maybe one day but for now just can't afford it. And, like you said, still prefer rotary & small pads for those areas. Oh...did I mention that it's also as expensive as it's bigger brother.... ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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Say wut? As expensive as the bigger brother? How much is it and the bigger LHR15/21? If price doesn't differ much, I'd rather get the lightweight Flex PE14 specially fitted with 3" BP for precision buffing of small and tight area.
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 18 2014, 03:06 PM)
Thanks! smile.gif  the PG DuraZ rain repellent. Ok la, first applied, beads water very good. After 2 weeks, can feel it wear off a bit dy. In the 2 weeks i got use wiper occasionally lor, rain once or twice. I think 3rd week need to reapply if i want maximum water beading all the time! So far still happy with it.
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nice nice where u got that product from?? hmm.gif

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Flex VRG, PE14, Rupes 15/21 & Mini....they're all in the rm1.8k to rm2k range.... sad.gif That's as far as know la. Unless somebody got other sources where can get cheaper. But I doubt that it'll differ by much though.....
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QUOTE(scoutfai @ Aug 16 2014, 10:04 PM)
You want to remove light swirl, try SwirlX. Excellent hand application experience, and you can actually see the result.

However do not do too much hand job on polishing/compounding, later one arm muscle is stronger than the other.

I used PG clay no.3 before. Do not feel any significant more abrasive, at least not to the point of create fine swirl on the paint. But it does feel it removes contamination faster.
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ook, thanks for the info. will check Clay no.3 out. btw, if i'm going to buy just one a compounder product, between UC & swirlX, which has more cutting/correctional power? i feel like i want to buy UC, cause has been reading quite good reviews on Meg's forum & other places on M105. then also i would've 3 bottles of Ultimate haha.

QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 03:06 PM)
Quazacolt KrisMas sifu,

i just bought Meguairs Ultimate Polish ( Pre-Waxing Glaze) - this product is for polish or wax?

I found out this product can eliminate swirls marks very effectively...

do we need to apply wax again after using this product?

Many Thanks!
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you can eliminate swirls marks effectively?? rclxub.gif for me i find it not easy to remove swirls. are you using machine application or hand application??

QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 04:15 PM)
Which RO buffer? If B&D or Bosch, then the DA has far greater vibration. The vibration is far greater than an RB.

So, if one machine, I would say Ultramate. But if you don't mind bringing out your rotary and also can afford the price tag, I would say the Bigfoot.

Anyway, best way is to try yourself la....and see what suit you best. Go visit Osren, I think they got all three machine for you to try sweat.gif .....
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this RO buffer
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planning to visit osren when got chance... tongue.gif tongue.gif wanna get their spray bottle and maybe checkout their clay bar & ultramate..

QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Aug 18 2014, 06:46 PM)
nice nice where u got that product from??  hmm.gif
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i got it from a AEON BIG (or ex-carrefour). i think best if you can go midvalley, if the Aeon big don't have there, can you try AEON/Jusco. if still don't have, can go Acehardware.. haha.
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 18 2014, 07:59 PM)
ook, thanks for the info.  will check Clay no.3 out.  btw, if i'm going to buy just one a compounder product, between UC & swirlX, which has more cutting/correctional power? i feel like i want to buy UC, cause has been reading quite good reviews on Meg's forum & other places on M105.  then also i would've 3 bottles of Ultimate haha.
you can eliminate swirls marks effectively??  rclxub.gif for me i find it not easy to remove swirls.  are you using machine application or hand application??
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planning to visit osren when got chance... tongue.gif  tongue.gif wanna get their spray bottle and maybe checkout their clay bar & ultramate..
i got it from a AEON BIG (or ex-carrefour).  i think best if you can go midvalley, if the Aeon big don't have there, can you try AEON/Jusco.  if still don't have, can go Acehardware.. haha.
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using hand. machine will cause more swirls.. thats my opinion only and might be wrong.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 18 2014, 05:21 PM)
They don't sell them but they got one for their own use & testing.
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Where do you recommend to buy Rupes anyway?

I am thinking for the 15ES Deluxe Kit when I have the budget.

Or do you guys just buy the machine?
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UC definitely has more cutting power than SwirlX. After UC comes Scratch X 2.0 only comes Swirl X.

Left most aggressive, right least aggressive, for SMAT product from Meguiars.
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Here another comprehensive chart but only as a reference.
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QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 08:45 PM)
using hand. machine will cause more swirls.. thats my opinion only and might be wrong.
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Both requires good skill too.
Plain brute force using hand might cause fingermarks scratch.

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Today I clean my engine bay a bit, just to make sure it looks clean... didn't do any thorough process, just simple wipe here and there only. All removable plastic parts i wash with soap and let it dry.. and lastly spray with silicone spray

Maybe will do a full detail wash after I sort out all mechanical problem with this car.. old car so manja sweat.gif


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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 18 2014, 07:59 PM)
planning to visit osren when got chance... tongue.gif  tongue.gif wanna get their spray bottle and maybe checkout their clay bar & ultramate..
Last week went there they sell 6 Osren bottles for RM60. If buy 1 bottle alone cost RM15

Maybe I salah dengar.. shakehead.gif

QUOTE(aromachong @ Aug 18 2014, 08:45 PM)
using hand. machine will cause more swirls.. thats my opinion only and might be wrong.
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Previously use hand with UC - problem

Now use with rotary.. Create swirls but finish with black pad - gooding

QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Aug 18 2014, 09:00 PM)
Where do you recommend to buy Rupes anyway?

I am thinking for the 15ES Deluxe Kit when I have the budget.

Or do you guys just buy the machine?
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Sifu want to buy Rupes pulak.. Told you'll already..

Rupes can group buy? Mana tau can get discount.. thumbup.gif

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