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post Oct 29 2013, 02:23 PM, updated 12y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - Understanding Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Link to v1
Link to v2
Link to v3
Link to v4

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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first! continue here
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WTF, means if not working in Sinkapo cannot open a bank akaun with Sinkapo bank? Where to find employment pass? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2013, 02:25 PM)
WTF, means if not working in Sinkapo cannot open a bank akaun with Sinkapo bank? Where to find employment pass? doh.gif
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can la, open at other banks such as uob and ocbc. i think their requirements are lower

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2013, 02:25 PM)
WTF, means if not working in Sinkapo cannot open a bank akaun with Sinkapo bank? Where to find employment pass? doh.gif
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i think POSB bank can
http://www.posb.com.sg/personal/deposit/sa...equirement.page
just becareful of this S$2...i think it is monthly
Fees

S$2 fall-below fee if the average daily balance falls below S$5,000.
S$20 early account closure fee if the account is closed within 6 months.

if you have S$500 in this a/c.....12 years all gone i think.

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POSB...apa bank ini? Sounds like a scam bank rclxub.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 29 2013, 02:20 PM)
got his wor...
Mandatory supporting documents for foreigners:
Copy of passport
Copy of Employment Pass
Any of the following documents:
Copy of last 3 months' utility bill
Copy of last 3 months' bank statement
Letter from the human resource department of current employer stating address
Government-issued documents stating address (e.g. IRAS, CPF, ICA)
Copy of telecommunications bill
Copy of tenancy agreement

from your link
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 29 2013, 02:29 PM)
i think POSB bank can
http://www.posb.com.sg/personal/deposit/sa...equirement.page
just becareful of this S$2...i think it is monthly
Fees

S$2 fall-below fee if the average daily balance falls below S$5,000.
S$20 early account closure fee if the account is closed within 6 months.

if you have S$500 in this a/c.....12 years all gone i think.
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hi.

previously tadi from the post,

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got his wor...
Mandatory supporting documents for foreigners:
Copy of passport
Copy of Employment Pass
Any of the following documents:
Copy of last 3 months' utility bill
Copy of last 3 months' bank statement
Letter from the human resource department of current employer stating address
Government-issued documents stating address (e.g. IRAS, CPF, ICA)
Copy of telecommunications bill
Copy of tenancy agreement

from your link
employment pass, can't use Malaysia one? tongue.gif
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alternatively, you bank into pink's a/c your monies (lots of it the better). he will "SURE" make the transfer to S'pore for you or back.
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Oct 29 2013, 02:31 PM)
hi.

previously tadi from the post,
employment pass, can't use Malaysia one? tongue.gif
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employment pass is a working pass issued by Ministry of Manpower SG for foreign workers and there are few grades. check uob and ocbc website, their requirements are lower than POSB

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Oct 29 2013, 02:36 PM)
employment pass is a working pass issued by Ministry of Manpower SG for foreign workers and there are few grades. check uob and ocbc website, their requirements are lower than POSB
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okay bro.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2013, 02:31 PM)
POSB...apa bank ini? Sounds like a scam bank rclxub.gif laugh.gif
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LOL. Apa scam bank.. it is one of the largest banks in singapore
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Oct 29 2013, 03:03 PM)
LOL. Apa scam bank.. it is one of the largest banks in singapore
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POSB is link to DBS. Even the POSB token is from DBS, and both bank cards can be used interchangeably.
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Oct 29 2013, 02:38 PM)
okay bro.

thanks! laugh.gif
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question... why all the hassle to open FSM SG account? FSM MY got a few funds that are actually the feeder fund of SG based funds right? smile.gif


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2013, 02:31 PM)
POSB...apa bank ini? Sounds like a scam bank rclxub.gif laugh.gif
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I know right? hehe... most of their local banks are in acronym e.g. UOB, OCBC, POSB, DBS nod.gif
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QUOTE(maldiniho @ Oct 29 2013, 06:09 PM)
question... why all the hassle to open FSM SG account? FSM MY got a few funds that are actually the feeder fund of SG based funds right?  smile.gif
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good question.

im actually attracted with some funds which FSM Msia doesnt have. laugh.gif

More options and I like the fact that I am earning SGD.

sorry for the explanation. its just my preference. although troublesome. unsure.gif
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I just realized that I haven't top-up GEM fund this month.
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Check in v5... tongue.gif
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Didn't drop by for a day V5 already smile.gif
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wahlao... dj and snp all time high again.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:16 AM)
wahlao... dj and snp all time high again.
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Pink,
last week you posted an IRR Calculator.....would you like to post/pin it in Post#1 ? just asking.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 30 2013, 09:17 AM)
Pink,
last week you posted an IRR Calculator.....would you like to post/pin it in Post#1 ? just asking.
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Ok, do it tonite
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 30 2013, 09:19 AM)
Ok, do it tonite
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thumbup.gif thanks, i may not be able to use it now, but i think it would be useful for others (newbie)....when they asked.
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So silent.. no discussion uh?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Oct 30 2013, 04:35 PM)
So silent.. no discussion uh?
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Everyone very good liao, dun nid guidance/advice anymore biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Oct 30 2013, 04:35 PM)
So silent.. no discussion uh?
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biggrin.gif Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow.
If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas (or Genting).....Paul Samuelson

or follow pink after work....
i cannot lah...have BHP and cholesterol pills to take. vmad.gif
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Idle for almost 2 months.. settled ptptn lump sum 11k.. now back to investing lol.
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Oct 30 2013, 05:03 PM)
Idle for almost 2 months.. settled ptptn lump sum 11k.. now back to investing lol.
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jus be careful...now all seems already up for the past few weeks sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 30 2013, 05:02 PM)
biggrin.gif Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow.
If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas (or Genting).....Paul Samuelson

or follow pink after work....
i cannot lah...have BHP and cholesterol pills to take.  vmad.gif
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FSM All Bonds Fund sell at 0% sales charge? Is that any hidden T&C?
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for those that missed the seminar last weekend about the implication of the budget 2014.....
here is the readout.....
Budget 2014: Implications For Investors
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4016
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Oct 30 2013, 06:36 PM)
FSM All Bonds Fund sell at 0% sales charge? Is that any hidden T&C?
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I think they have this platform fees.....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 30 2013, 05:02 PM)
biggrin.gif Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grow.
If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas (or Genting).....Paul Samuelson

or follow pink after work....
i cannot lah...have BHP and cholesterol pills to take.  vmad.gif
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No lor, uncle Looi. Can still share what's the next move suppose to be. Like they said, in a game of chess you must always know what's your next few moves smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Oct 30 2013, 07:31 PM)
No lor, uncle Looi. Can still share what's the next move suppose to be. Like they said, in a game of chess you must always know what's your next few moves smile.gif
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hmm.gif in the games of chess, we can only guess the possible next moves of the opponent...unless it is when "checkmate". rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 30 2013, 08:05 PM)
hmm.gif in the games of chess, we can only guess the possible next moves of the opponent...unless it is when "checkmate". rolleyes.gif
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That's the variable. The fun part of the game. That's why we must think of all the possible action for all the possible moves (news in this case) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 29 2013, 02:23 PM)
Unker yklooi, done at bottom of Post #1 icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Oct 30 2013, 08:32 PM)
That's the variable. The fun part of the game. That's why we must think of all the possible action for all the possible moves (news in this case) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Oct 30 2013, 06:36 PM)
FSM All Bonds Fund sell at 0% sales charge? Is that any hidden T&C?
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platform fee...

management fee...

it's stated in their website dah. scroll bottom. smile.gif
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doh.gif just read this.

How many investments have yet to recover from 2008?

Most – if not all – major markets are well beyond their pre-crash peaks, at least in absolute terms. Most investment strategies too, have bounced back.
Five years on, the idea that anyone should have failed to recover from the collapse of Lehman, and its attendant crises, is almost absurd, even given the volatile and difficult conditions in the years since.

Spare a thought, then, for the fund of hedge fund managers of this world. And spare some tears for their clients.
their performance, on average, has been dismal.

A $100 investment in the average fund of funds manager made at the beginning of 2008 (were it possible to make such a small bet) would currently be worth just $96, according to HFR, the hedge fund industry data provider.

For reference, the same amount invested in either global bonds, equities or – heaven forfend – private equity (according to S&P) would currently be in the black.

But if funds of funds have failed by institutions and the super-wealthy in the past half decade – still down 4 per cent as they are from 2008 – there is little reason to imagine that they will do well by retail investors in the next.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c0046a56-40...5#axzz2jDVDPy5L

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platform fee...
management fee...
it's stated in their website dah. scroll bottom.  smile.gif
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Be mindful of yearly recurring fees and how it affects our return. smile.gif

The long-term impact of investment costs on portfolio balances
Assuming a starting balance of $100,000 and a yearly return of 6%, which is reinvested

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QUOTE(creativ @ Oct 31 2013, 10:08 AM)
Be mindful of yearly recurring fees and how it affects our return.  smile.gif

The long-term impact of investment costs on portfolio balances
Assuming a starting balance of $100,000 and a yearly return of 6%, which is reinvested

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I assume you are only taking platform fee into consideration while constructing that chart, since management fee are applicable across all funds.

But so far platform fee is only applicable on bond fund only. I'm not that up-to-date since I don't top up bond fund anymore.
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QUOTE(creativ @ Oct 31 2013, 10:08 AM)
Be mindful of yearly recurring fees and how it affects our return.  smile.gif

The long-term impact of investment costs on portfolio balances
Assuming a starting balance of $100,000 and a yearly return of 6%, which is reinvested

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noted with thanks! laugh.gif
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may i know is now still a time to buy in bond fund? can recommend any bond fund to go into? currently holding hwang select bond but fsm no more open for this fund ><
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 31 2013, 02:16 PM)
may i know is now still a time to buy in bond fund? can recommend any bond fund to go into? currently holding hwang select bond but fsm no more open for this fund ><
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OSK-UOB Income Fund - up to 30% foreign (Asian) bond, EPF-compliant. Quite a stable fund.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 31 2013, 02:27 PM)
OSK-UOB Income Fund - up to 30% foreign (Asian) bond, EPF-compliant. Quite a stable fund.
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ok thanks smile.gif will check it out.. btw Pink, ur portfolio calculator, if i sell back my fund, how should i do with the portfolio calc?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 31 2013, 02:32 PM)
ok thanks smile.gif will check it out.. btw Pink, ur portfolio calculator, if i sell back my fund, how should i do with the portfolio calc?
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You can refer to the switch sell column. When Pink put 'switch buy/sell' meaning selling Fund A and the proceed is then used to buy or top up Fund B.

If you noted a difference between switch buy and sell, it might be because he did not used the entire sales proceed to top up the other fund.

Hope this answer your question. Cheers.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Oct 31 2013, 02:32 PM)
ok thanks smile.gif will check it out.. btw Pink, ur portfolio calculator, if i sell back my fund, how should i do with the portfolio calc?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Oct 31 2013, 02:35 PM)
You can refer to the switch sell column. When Pink put 'switch buy/sell' meaning selling Fund A and the proceed is then used to buy or top up Fund B.

If you noted a difference between switch buy and sell, it might be because he did not used the entire sales proceed to top up the other fund.

Hope this answer your question. Cheers.
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"Switch Sell" is when I sell one fund and buy into another fund with the sale proceeds, e.g. sell CMF to buy into Hwang Quantum

When I sell for cash, I'll put "Sell" under the "Transaction" column. Just like "Buy" is when I buy into a fund using cash, NOT by CMF.

Wah...TakoC pannai yo thumbup.gif

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Sorry for asking but why HSBF no longer available for purchase?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Oct 31 2013, 02:35 PM)
You can refer to the switch sell column. When Pink put 'switch buy/sell' meaning selling Fund A and the proceed is then used to buy or top up Fund B.

If you noted a difference between switch buy and sell, it might be because he did not used the entire sales proceed to top up the other fund.

Hope this answer your question. Cheers.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 31 2013, 02:40 PM)
"Switch Sell" is when I sell one fund and buy into another fund with the sale proceeds, e.g. sell CMF to buy into Hwang Quantum

When I sell for cash, I'll put "Sell" under the "Transaction" column. Just like "Buy" is when I buy into a fund using cash, NOT by CMF.

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ok thanks, will try to figure it out hehe..

QUOTE(jerrymax @ Oct 31 2013, 04:28 PM)
Sorry for asking but why HSBF no longer available for purchase?
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i think becos they don wan to follow FSM 0% sales charge for bond.
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Sorry for asking but why HSBF no longer available for purchase?
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just you cannot buy from FSM, as forummer ben3003 has just pointed out.
maybe you can go direct to HwangIM, or https://www.eunittrust.com.my/, or banks to see if you can buy from there.
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Any idea why Hwang ponzi fund didn't shine lately even though most of the world indices hit record high?

Does its hoard cash strategy make it underperform in the last quarter of 2013?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 31 2013, 08:16 PM)
Any idea why Hwang ponzi fund didn't shine lately even though most of the world indices hit record high?

Does its hoard cash strategy make it underperform in the last quarter of 2013?
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1. Cash hoard
2. It's invested in ASEAN+HK, zero in Korea, Australia, Taiwan etc
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1. Cash hoard
2. It's invested in ASEAN+HK, zero in Korea, Australia, Taiwan etc
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I see. It becomes my worst performer in my portfolio. sweat.gif
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1. Cash hoard
2. It's invested in ASEAN+HK, zero in Korea, Australia, Taiwan etc
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Itchy hand to topup wor...
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Itchy hand to topup wor...
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Itchy hand to topup wor...
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Me too tongue.gif

Esp seeing OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield and Pacific Global Stars have moved ahead, I can top up Quantum Ponzi without misaligning my portfolio % nod.gif

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Seem like RHB Islamic Bond Fund is the top performer... interested to subscribe this but I also know that AmDynamic is also a superstar especially looking at the volume that it has...

So RHB Islamic Bond Fund vs AmDynamic Bond which one should you go for ?
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Itchy hand to topup wor...
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Everyone looking to top up ponzi, but I can't since my aim is to increase more global exposure.
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Oct 31 2013, 10:45 PM)
Seem like RHB Islamic Bond Fund is the top performer... interested to subscribe this but I also know that AmDynamic is also a superstar especially looking at the volume that it has...

So RHB Islamic Bond Fund vs AmDynamic Bond which one should you go for ?
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2 different creatures.

But even though Sukuk market has grown considerably over the years, conventional bond still has a much larger market hence more issuers. Furthermore, if u look at AmDynamic's latest annual report (download here: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...tsMYAMDNMB.pdf), it has started to invest in foreign corporate bonds (22%). flex.gif

I'd pick AmDynamite.
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Everyone looking to top up ponzi, but I can't since my aim is to increase more global exposure.
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Really think ponzi will go back up ah...since 1 month ago in the red only haih...
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 31 2013, 11:32 PM)
Really think ponzi will go back up ah...since 1 month ago in the red only haih...
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 31 2013, 11:32 PM)
Really think ponzi will go back up ah...since 1 month ago in the red only haih...
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Oct 31 2013, 11:49 PM)
Best returns is my Equity MY fund... Profit more then 20% oledi worrrr... Believe it, invested since early 2012... That time most people so negative about KLSE... I dare myself to buy.
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Ya I can see my kenanga malaysia also doing well but ponzi ...I scared I top up heavily now..it will slid further? I doing rsp on all the funds but still wanna top up this more
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Oct 31 2013, 11:32 PM)
Really think ponzi will go back up ah...since 1 month ago in the red only haih...
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You missed the boom period. Haha! For us the performance slipped but not red.
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Nov 1 2013, 06:00 AM)
Ya I can see my kenanga malaysia also doing well but ponzi ...I scared I top up heavily now..it will slid further? I doing rsp on all the funds but still wanna top up this more
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How long you have been invested? KLCI has been hovering around that 'high' for awhile. Got confident? smile.gif
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You missed the boom period. Haha! For us the performance slipped but not red.
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Even though the fund has dropped back a bit, but looking at indices of Indonesia and Thailand (the 2 main boom contributors), they have not really dropped much. I think there may have further downside risk.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 1 2013, 09:12 AM)
Even though the fund has dropped back a bit, but looking at indices of Indonesia and Thailand (the 2 main boom contributors), they have not really dropped much. I think there may have further downside risk.
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hmm.gif maybe that is why Hwang is hoarding cash?

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hmm.gif maybe that is why Hwang is hoarding cash?
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And looking at their charts for Sep-13 fact sheet, they've reduced exposure to those 2 "hot" markets, Select Asia Opportunity is now overweight Singapore and Hong Kong. As for Quantum Ponzi, it's now overweight Malaysia with SG and HK closely behind.
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And looking at their charts for Sep-13 fact sheet, they've reduced exposure to those 2 "hot" markets, Select Asia Opportunity is now overweight Singapore and Hong Kong. As for Quantum Ponzi, it's now overweight Malaysia with SG and HK closely behind.
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Oh; there's a new fact sheet. Cheers for the analysis.
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Oh; there's a new fact sheet. Cheers for the analysis.
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Hand itchy? Last nite US red, right now Asia ding-dong biggrin.gif
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Hand itchy? Last nite US red, right now Asia ding-dong biggrin.gif
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Confirm won't touch Asia region. Thinking to top up OSK GEYF. How about you? Any action from you today?
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Confirm won't touch Asia region. Thinking to top up OSK GEYF. How about you? Any action from you today?
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See how Hang Seng and STI fare by 2:30PM later

If drop close to 1%, top up A BIT tongue.gif

Not gonna top up OSK-UOB GEY for now, US+Europe+Japan makes up 26% of my equity funds exposure already, within my target of 25-33%. nod.gif
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See how Hang Seng and STI fare by 2:30PM later

If drop close to 1%, top up A BIT tongue.gif

Not gonna top up OSK-UOB GEY for now, US+Europe+Japan makes up 26% of my equity funds exposure already, within my target of 25-33%. nod.gif
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Sifu also adviced that my portfolio require a larger global exposure smile.gif

As at October month end, DJ increased by 3%, S&P increased 4% as compared to last year. Still net gain.
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I also need to top-up global funds, EI GEM and OSK-UOB GEY.
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See how Asia market is performing and assess accordingly smile.gif
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Portfolio update as of 31st October 2013:

Fund Name | ROI (%) | XIRR (%)

Public Far East Select Fund | 27.00 | 3.41
Public Asia Ittikal Fund | 13.13 | 2.02
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A | 12.06 | 15.44
AmDynamic Bond | 5.42 | 3.32
AmAP REITs | 7.68 | 6.23
Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund | -3.32 | -11.88
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund | 1.67 | 2.97
OSK-UOB EMB | -1.15 | -0.88

No change in portfolio. Focus is given to IPO application. tongue.gif

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Window Of Opportunity For Fixed Income Investors _-- November 1, 2013
This week, we take a look at a few courses of action investors could take in light of the current window of opportunity. rclxm9.gif
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...&articleNo=7336

Balanced funds holders also... sweat.gif
M'sia focused FI no need ?

This post has been edited by yklooi: Nov 1 2013, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 1 2013, 08:57 PM)
Window Of Opportunity For Fixed Income Investors _-- November 1, 2013 
This week, we take a look at a few courses of action investors could take in light of the current window of opportunity.  rclxm9.gif
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...&articleNo=7336

Balanced funds holders also... sweat.gif
M'sia focused FI no need ?
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so who is rebalancing their fixed income funds?
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Kaka, crazy early. Working half day today?
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May I know how to search for short duration bonds in FSM M'sia?
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May I know how to search for short duration bonds in FSM M'sia?
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Bonds or bond funds?
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Kaka, crazy early. Working half day today?
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Bonds or bond funds?
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May I know how to search for short duration bonds in FSM M'sia?
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I think (on FSM) we only have AmIncome Plus and OSK-UOB Money Market Fund.

I personally like AmIncome Plus, consistently beaten 12-M FD rate.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 1 2013, 07:09 PM)
Portfolio update as of 31st October 2013:

Fund Name | ROI (%) | XIRR (%)

Public Far East Select Fund | 27.00 | 3.41
Public Asia Ittikal Fund | 13.13 | 2.02
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A | 12.06 | 15.44
AmDynamic Bond | 5.42 | 3.32
AmAP REITs | 7.68 | 6.23
Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund | -3.32 | -11.88
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund | 1.67 | 2.97
OSK-UOB EMB | -1.15 | -0.88

No change in portfolio. Focus is given to IPO application. tongue.gif
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Condom oops I mean Karex? tongue.gif
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Condom oops I mean Karex? tongue.gif
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All also failed - Westport, UMW Oil, Kareax and latest Caring! mad.gif

RM 7 gone for fee! cry.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 2 2013, 11:29 AM)
I think (on FSM) we only have AmIncome Plus and OSK-UOB Money Market Fund.

I personally like AmIncome Plus, consistently beaten 12-M FD rate.
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Thanks... not much difference than OSK-UOB CFM...
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 2 2013, 11:55 AM)
All also failed - Westport, UMW Oil, Kareax and latest Caring!  mad.gif

RM 7 gone for fee! cry.gif
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RM7 better than having tons of your money stuck up with disappointing stock price (Wp***) right? If you planning sell on first day then different story.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 2 2013, 01:43 PM)
RM7 better than having tons of your money stuck up with disappointing stock price (Wp***) right? If you planning sell on first day then different story.
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bro, whats the 7 for?

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bro, whats the 7 for?
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IPO application. RM 2 for CIMB; RM 1 for M2U
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IPO application. RM 2 for CIMB; RM 1 for M2U
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IPO application. RM 2 for CIMB; RM 1 for M2U
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Nov 2 2013, 12:01 PM)
Thanks... not much difference than OSK-UOB CFM...
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AmIncome Plus yielding MORE THAN 12-M FD wor...last time I holding it I get IRR of 3.4%

CMF is only 2.93% now...OSK-UOB MMF worse than that, that's why I never bothered with it.

CFM..."come fxxx me" lol brows.gif laugh.gif
QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 2 2013, 12:43 PM)
RM7 better than having tons of your money stuck up with disappointing stock price (Wp***) right? If you planning sell on first day then different story.
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U went in W right? tongue.gif
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Not RM2.50?  hmm.gif
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If you use CDS from CIMB Investment, it'll be RM 2.

Other investment banks CDS will be RM 2.50.

The fee is imposed from using CIMBClicks.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 2 2013, 03:50 PM)
AmIncome Plus yielding MORE THAN 12-M FD wor...last time I holding it I get IRR of 3.4%

CMF is only 2.93% now...OSK-UOB MMF worse than that, that's why I never bothered with it.

CFM..."come fxxx me" lol brows.gif  laugh.gif
U went in W right? tongue.gif
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Anybody enrolled in the PRS fund under FSM?
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I started mine few months back...
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I started mine few months back...
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Does the account creation progress long and complicated?
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Does the account creation progress long and complicated?
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Quite easy process, faster than epf process
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Quite easy process, faster than epf process
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Which PRS fund you bought?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 31 2013, 11:09 PM)
2 different creatures.

But even though Sukuk market has grown considerably over the years, conventional bond still has a much larger market hence more issuers. Furthermore, if u look at AmDynamic's latest annual report (download here: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...tsMYAMDNMB.pdf), it has started to invest in foreign corporate bonds (22%). flex.gif

I'd pick AmDynamite.
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AmDynamite? What bond is that? Did not see it in the AmFunds?
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What u guys think about kaf bond fund...its one of the recomended...I have amdynamite..but cannot rsp so I cant dca properly very mafan..rsp ambond now..but amdynamic seems to.outpserform ambond... thinking wanna couple maybe kaf with ambond...
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Which PRS fund you bought?
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hwang prs growth
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What u guys think about kaf bond fund...its one of the recomended...I have amdynamite..but cannot rsp so I cant dca properly very mafan..rsp ambond now..but amdynamic seems to.outpserform ambond... thinking wanna couple maybe kaf with ambond...
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I think kaf bond min investment is 100k. you need to check if this is correct or not..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 3 2013, 07:52 AM)
hwang prs growth
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Same here... how's ur fund perform at the moment? In terms of ROI%...
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I think kaf bond min investment is 100k. you need to check if this is correct or not..
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Yes. Min II is MYR 100k.
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i also plan to start PRS for tax relief biggrin.gif btw, how do we get those rebate and relief? i think rm3k relief is there oledi for few yrs, but the newly announced one also implement next year 2014? is it we just fill in we contribute prs then the system will calculate for us?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 3 2013, 08:33 AM)
i also plan to start PRS for tax relief biggrin.gif btw, how do we get those rebate and relief? i think rm3k relief is there oledi for few yrs, but the newly announced one also implement next year 2014? is it we just fill in we contribute prs then the system will calculate for us?
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The 3k relief will start in YA 2012 for the next 10 years.

This year budget will offer RM 500 incentive for those with age < 30 years but no details yet on how the incentive will be given.

To fill for tax relief, the PRS provider will issue annual statement to you like your insurance company. Since it's a self assessment, just key in the contributed amount in relief section.

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Same here... how's ur fund perform at the moment? In terms of ROI%...
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The 3k relief will start in YA 2012 for the next 10 years.

This year budget will offer RM 500 incentive for those with age < 30 years but no details yet on how the incentive will be given.

To fill for tax relief, the PRS provider will issue annual statement to you like your insurance company. Since it's a self assessment, just key in the contributed amount in relief section.
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ok thanks, so just normal key into the e-filing only then. then those new policy should wait for latest announcement then.. so hwang prs growth ok kah? i am also more confident in hwang product haha..
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Does the account creation progress long and complicated?
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1. Online purchased PRS fund like normal purchased.
2. Fund transfer for the payment, +RM10 for account opening (now got promotion).
3. Fill in PPA and PRS account opening on hard copy. I also print the fund transfer receipt as well.
4. Go to couriers service and mail above 3 papers to FSM.
5. Just wait to get email from PPA for account opening and PRS provider mail for fund purchased.

easy or not, ur call.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 3 2013, 08:48 AM)
less than -1% now
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mine also almost '-'ve

btw, u got register ur PRS account to official Hwang website? I'm having trouble to register, everything fill properly except for my email address... always indicate wrong email... sweat.gif
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less than -1% now
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So do you personally think it's worth to invest in PRS as compared to leaving it in EPF?
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1. Online purchased PRS fund like normal purchased.
2. Fund transfer for the payment, +RM10 for account opening (now got promotion).
3. Fill in PPA and PRS account opening on hard copy. I also print the fund transfer receipt as well.
4. Go to couriers service and mail above 3 papers to FSM.
5. Just wait to get email from PPA for account opening and PRS provider mail for fund purchased. 

easy or not, ur call.
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Fax is not acceptable for the forms?
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Comparison of charges for a typical Bond Fund bought from FSM and PM hmm.gif

FSM is more expensive!

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Nov 3 2013, 11:22 AM)
mine also almost '-'ve

btw, u got register ur PRS account to official Hwang website? I'm having trouble to register, everything fill properly except for my email address... always indicate wrong email... sweat.gif
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My prs all do through fsm. so I also cannot register through hwang.
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So do you personally think it's worth to invest in PRS as compared to leaving it in EPF?
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epf is a good force saving platform.. u save around 24% of ur salary per month, very nice idea.. so PRS make use of the same idea/concept, but not much ppl use it lol..
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 3 2013, 01:59 PM)
epf is a good force saving platform.. u save around 24% of ur salary per month, very nice idea.. so PRS make use of the same idea/concept, but not much ppl use it lol..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 3 2013, 01:39 PM)
My prs all do through fsm. so I also cannot register through hwang.
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Ohh... thought i'm the only 1 with that problem... glad to hear it... so, no need to register in hwang website should be ok, rite?
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Ohh... thought i'm the only 1 with that problem... glad to hear it... so, no need to register in hwang website should be ok, rite?
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prs is not using epf money lei. it is additional cash for this prs investment.
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But half of it comes from the employers not you.
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People like me with no epf must force myself to allocate huge savings and UTs.

Should I set up PRS? Dont want to get locked till 55 lei
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buy unit trust if u dont want ur $ locked
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Ya, but it serves the same purpose- for retirement. Can always opt to have that extra cash to put in EPF.
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People like me with no epf must force myself to allocate huge savings and UTs.

Should I set up PRS? Dont want to get locked till 55 lei
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You need to be clear of what you want to do with your money. You also need to seperate your savings into seperate accounts/entity and for specific purpose.

Money you put into PRS, you need to be clear that it is strictly meant for retirement and you should not think of it as as your marriage fund, or holiday fund etc etc.

Don't co-mingle the funds around. You need to be strict & be discipline.

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Jerry,

You need to be clear of what you want to do with your money. You also need to seperate your savings into seperate accounts/entity and for specific purpose.

Money you put into PRS, you need to be clear that it is strictly meant for retirement and you should not think of it as as your marriage fund, or holiday fund etc etc.

Don't co-mingle the funds around. You need to be strict & be discipline.

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Allocate the money properly and specifically.
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ya, dont have to register in hwang website.
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Money contributed to PRS shouldn't be withdrawn prematurely due to its high penalty of 8%.

Be sure that you're not going to use this basket before deciding to commit to it because of the luring tax relief.
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Comparison of charges for a typical Bond Fund bought from FSM and PM hmm.gif

FSM is more expensive!

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So the conclusion is not good to invest into bond fund under FSM that has platform fee especially if you have large sum of money into this asset class?
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Comparison of charges for a typical Bond Fund bought from FSM and PM hmm.gif

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Not all the bond funds are charging platform fees.
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Not all the bond funds are charging platform fees.
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So the conclusion is not good to invest into bond fund under FSM that has platform fee especially if you have large sum of money into this asset class?
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Yes, that's my personal opinion. I would go for Public Mutual if I want to invest in bond funds, at this moment.

My point is, Sales Charge is not the killer, Yearly Recurring Fees (i.e. Mgmt Fees, Trustee Fees, Platform Fees) is the killer.

So what if FSM is not charging Sales? 0% Sales charge is just a bait.

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QUOTE(creativ @ Nov 4 2013, 10:38 AM)
Yes, that's my personal opinion. I would go for Public Mutual if I want to invest in bond funds, at this moment.

My point is, Sales Charge is not the killer, Yearly Recurring Fees is the killer.

So what if FSM is not charging Sales? 0% Sales charge is just a bait.
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Depends really, if
(i) your holding period is not that long
(ii) you sell a bond fund to raise cash i.e. not doing intra switching, later buy back into bond fund be it the same fund or different fund

Then platform fee would be better than sales charge.
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QUOTE(creativ @ Nov 4 2013, 10:38 AM)
Yes, that's my personal opinion. I would go for Public Mutual if I want to invest in bond funds, at this moment.

My point is, Sales Charge is not the killer, Yearly Recurring Fees is the killer.

So what if FSM is not charging Sales? 0% Sales charge is just a bait.
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hmm.gif then which is "BETTER" for an investor that would just want to hold for period of less than 10 years for a particular fund?
reason for < 10 yrs may includes; maybe needed to cash out, switch to other asset class, moves to other more "performing" bond fund which is not from the same fund house, etc

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hmm.gif then which is "BETTER" for an investor that would just want to hold for period of less than 10 years for a particular fund?
reason for < 10 yrs may includes; maybe needed to cash out, switch to other asset class, moves to other more "performing" bond fund which is not from the same fund house, etc
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Added for clarity wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 4 2013, 10:44 AM)
Added for clarity wink.gif
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hmm.gif then which is "BETTER" for an investor that would just want to hold for period of less than 10 years for a particular fund?
reason for < 10 yrs may includes; maybe needed to cash out, switch to other asset class, moves to other more "performing" bond fund which is not from the same fund house, etc
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No matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one.

As for your time horizon of < 10 years, then you may want to consider a bond fund that invest in short to intermediate term bonds, since consensus are, that we are in a "rising interest rate environment " (I cannot predict the future, by the way smile.gif ).

"You'll want to match your fund investments with your time horizons. For principal you might need over the next one to four years, choose short-term bond funds. Money you don't need right away, consider intermediate-term funds. Save longer-term funds only for money you won't be needing for a long time (or avoid them altogether if you'd prefer to avoid the volatility if rates rise)." - Rob Williams, Director of Income Planning, Schwab Center for Financial Research

Read more here--> Choosing bond funds by duration and your investment horizon

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 4 2013, 10:43 AM)
Depends really, if
(i) your holding period is not that long
(ii) you sell a bond fund to raise cash i.e. not doing intra switching, later buy back into bond fund be it the same fund or different fund

Then platform fee would be better than sales charge.
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Yes, you do make sense for really short term holding. We must do the math to find the optimum holding period to give the bang for the buck.


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Yes, you do make sense for really short term holding. We must do the math to find the optimum holding period to give the bang for the buck.
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To add, not too many funds that can consistently outperform for that many years, cos fund managers come and go.

U may hold ABC Income Fund for x no. of years, then u switch to XYZ Bond Fund that is managed by a different fund house. In that case, u will incur fresh new sales charges (if u invest thru other platforms).
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 4 2013, 11:42 AM)
U may hold ABC Income Fund for x no. of years, then u switch to XYZ Bond Fund that is managed by a different fund house. In that case, u will incur fresh new sales charges (if u invest thru other platforms).
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Yup, do the math according to our own situation to see if it's worth it or not.
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Depends really, if
(i) your holding period is not that long
(ii) you sell a bond fund to raise cash i.e. not doing intra switching, later buy back into bond fund be it the same fund or different fund

Then platform fee would be better than sales charge.
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This is the calculation for the optimum holding period of bond fund in FSM

It is only cheaper if holding is 2 years and below for FSM.
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Yes, you do make sense for really short term holding. We must do the math to find the optimum holding period to give the bang for the buck.
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that does just justify between holding just term bonds and long terms bonds for risk/asset class holdings, BUT does not have the answer to my post asking is FSM bond funds more expensive when holds < 10 years when compared to the providers you used to compared FSM with for a period of 20 years?
you mentioned "No matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one."
i would go for the one that can provide me a better expected ROI at a risk appetite that are comparable....no use of saving 1 ~ 2% mgmt fees when the ROI is not performing when compared to the mkt benchmarks or peers.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 12:04 PM)
that does just justify between holding just term bonds and long terms bonds for risk/asset class holdings, BUT does not have the answer to my post asking is FSM bond funds more expensive when holds < 10 years when compared to the providers you used to compared FSM with for a period of 20 years?
you mentioned "No matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one."
i would go for the one that can provide me a better expected ROI at a risk appetite that are comparable....no use of saving 1 ~ 2% mgmt fees when the ROI is not performing when compared to the mkt benchmarks or peers.
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Dude, I hope my previous post answers your question. smile.gif
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QUOTE(creativ @ Nov 4 2013, 12:07 PM)
Dude, I hope my previous post answers your question.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 12:04 PM)
i would go for the one that can provide me a better expected ROI at a risk appetite that are comparable....no use of saving 1 ~ 2% mgmt fees when the ROI is not performing when compared to the mkt benchmarks or peers.
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Yes of course smile.gif. And I bet we all heard these often enough till it's almost a cliche:

(-) High Risk, High Potential returns (vice-versa)

(-) Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results

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Dude, I hope my previous post answers your question.  smile.gif
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that just made a good comparision of "saving" between funds with different in annual Mgmt fees" but does not means correct to generalize
what is posted as "FSM is more expensive!"...by you at page 6 post 119
i believes FSM do have some bonds funds with better (or less) Annual Mgmt fees. than 0.75% (ex AmIncome, KAF, RHB Is inc)
Public Mutual Enchanced bond fund is also 1%?

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QUOTE(creativ @ Nov 4 2013, 12:18 PM)
Yes of course smile.gif.  And I bet we all heard these often enough till it's almost a cliche:

(-) High Risk, High Potential returns (vice-versa)

(-) Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results
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so, NEVER selects funds solely based on mgmt fees alone.

so is posting of "No matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one" is WRONG to be the sole basis of selections..


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 12:27 PM)
so, NEVER selects funds solely based on mgmt fees alone.

so is posting of "No matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one" is WRONG to be the sole basis of selections..
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Ok ok.. I thought people here are mostly experience investors... It looks like I must word them correctly like a legal document rclxub.gif If not sure kena kau kau.. despite the good intentions and the time spent to justify by being transparent in the calculation...


"Assuming risk is the same, no matter how many years your time horizon is, any fees or charges on your investment is not good, so go for the lower one"


QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 12:26 PM)
i believes FSM do have some bonds funds with better (or less) Annual Mgmt fees. than 0.75% (ex AmIncome, KAF, RHB Is inc)
Public Mutual Enchanced bond fund is also 1%?
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Also, in my calculation spread sheet, you will see the word "typical" as in "typical management fees"

Btw, Public Enhanced Bond fund has equity exposure, I think that's why they are charging higher.

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Also, in my calculation spread sheet, you will see the word "typical" as in "typical management fees"
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but using the phrase ""FSM is more expensive!"...by you at page 6 post 119 ? to sum it up rclxub.gif
"Btw, Public Enhanced Bond fund has equity exposure, I think that's why they are charging higher".....so is i think other funds in FSM also has that exposure too.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 12:46 PM)
but using the phrase ""FSM is more expensive!"...by you at page 6 post 119 ? to sum it up  rclxub.gif
"Btw, Public Enhanced Bond fund has equity exposure, I think that's why they are charging higher".....so is i think other funds in FSM also has that exposure too.
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Not sure, must check the FSM fund fact sheet to compare (apple-to -apple) the Investment Strategy of the bond fund you're buying.
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Not sure, must check the FSM fund fact sheet to compare (apple-to -apple) the Investment Strategy of the bond fund you're buying.
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so, NEVER selects funds solely based on mgmt fees alone.
to be honest, your chart did shows a good comparison of "loses" from the Mgmt fees....that exclude "all other fees"
you did that for hobby or for your profession use?
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so, NEVER selects funds solely based on mgmt fees alone.
to be honest, your chart did shows a good comparison of "loses" from the Mgmt fees....that exclude "all other fees"
you did that for hobby or for your profession use?
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I am not working for PM nor FSM. I am just an investor who is planning for retirement using asset allocation strategy.

Well, if you would be kind enough to come up the calculation to include those fees that rather than picking on me, it would definitely help a lot of forumers here. notworthy.gif

My future depends on it... can't say hobby too... because hobby is what we do during our past time.
Can't say profession too, because I'm not working in the financial or investment industry smile.gif

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creativ sounds like a PM agent hmm.gif

Anyway, I don't look at the annual management fee if the past historical performance shows solid returns
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creativ sounds like a PM agent hmm.gif

Anyway, I don't look at the annual management fee if the past historical performance shows solid returns
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Well, I'm not an agent. smile.gif

Yes, you are entitled to your own investment strategy, and I respect that.
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QUOTE(creativ @ Nov 4 2013, 01:20 PM)
Well, if you would be kind enough to come up the calculation to include those fees that rather than picking on me, it would definitely help a lot of forumers here.  notworthy.gif

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doh.gif i am not picking on you. Each is free to express its own...i am just questioning/seek to clarify on the phrases that which i think is misleading/misinterpreted.
i think what would helps most newbies investors is not to lead them to be so much as to be too concerns of the "savings" from mgmt costs alone but rather is the fund that they selected are performing as among the peers and or is the funds/portfolio losing to inflation.....here are some of the must & good to know lessons - LESSONS FOR NEW INVESTORS
Getting Started
Knowing yourself
Knowing your committments
Setting your goals
Being disciplined

Basic of Investing
Types of Investment
Stocks
Bonds
Money Markets
Unit Trusts
The hidden costs

Investing in Unit Trusts
Unit Trust terms
Risk classification
Determining your risk levels
Picking the right fund
Picking the fund manager
Investing strategies
More strategies
The Best Strategy of all
Forming a portfolio
When to sell
Rules to live by

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1583

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doh.gif i am not picking on you. Each is free to express its own...i am just questioning/seek to clarify on the phrases that which i think is misleading/misinterpreted.
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everytime one made a bad financial investment, dun fret too much....cos BIG guys did that too.
Bad Bets by Financial Pros
Many Unhappy Returns
Even the best financial minds can make foolish mistakes. Bloomberg.com asked celebrated economists, wealth managers and personal finance gurus: What’s one of the worst mistakes you’ve made with your own money?
http://www.bloomberg.com/money-gallery/201...cial-pros-.html

hmm.gif but just DON"T make too many lor. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 4 2013, 09:52 PM)
everytime one made a bad financial investment, dun fret too much....cos BIG guys did that too.
Bad Bets by Financial Pros
Many Unhappy Returns
Even the best financial minds can make foolish mistakes. Bloomberg.com asked celebrated economists, wealth managers and personal finance gurus: What’s one of the worst mistakes you’ve made with your own money?
http://www.bloomberg.com/money-gallery/201...cial-pros-.html

hmm.gif but just DON"T make too many lor. thumbup.gif
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Do not put all the egg into one basket. Asset or investment holding such as gold, dividend shares, unit trust, house or apartment or flat, region asia europe local or world. Thus, it will be enough to own balancing in the event of economy failure. Important to know what is business you invest in, look at past performance returns is not enough. Dig further please from fact sheet. Invest at ur own risk, otherwise work harder to getmore sweat cash.
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Do not put all the egg into one basket. Asset or investment holding such as gold, dividend shares, unit trust, house or apartment or flat, region asia europe local or world. Thus, it will be enough to own balancing in the event of economy failure. Important to know what is business you invest in, look at past performance returns is not enough. Dig further please from fact sheet. Invest at ur own risk, otherwise work harder to getmore sweat cash.
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doh.gif you think they don't know that meh? they includes...
A former senior executive at Citigroup and Bank of America,
A global chief economist and head of investment strategy at Vanguard Group Inc.
A wealth adviser at Buckingham Asset Management.
A chief executive officer of the Council for Economic Education
A Sterling Professor of Economics at Yale University and co-creator of the Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, shares the 2013 Nobel Prize in Economics

and yet they do kena.....just like us human.

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er.. anyone checked their FSM's holding, via:
My Investments >> View Holdings >> By Asset Allocation
At the bottom - GRAND TOTAL, the Profits $ and %

Scared the living kaka outa me - i saw mine as $xxx,xxx and yyy.yy%!!
I wish it was true heheh tongue.gif
Bug report? or is am i the only one seeing this?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 5 2013, 03:09 PM)
er.. anyone checked their FSM's holding, via:
My Investments >> View Holdings >> By Asset Allocation
At the bottom - GRAND TOTAL, the Profits $ and %

Scared the living kaka outa me - i saw mine as $xxx,xxx and yyy.yy%!!
I wish it was true heheh tongue.gif
Bug report? or is am i the only one seeing this?
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mine too. At the Bottom.
i think the "profit (%)" should be "Profit (RM)" and
the "Buy More" should be "Profit (%)

taiko of FSM,..what you think?...you wanna report BUg?




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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 5 2013, 05:30 PM)
mine too. At the Bottom.
i think the "profit (%)" should be "Profit (RM)"  and
the "Buy More" should be "Profit (%)

taiko of FSM,..what you think?...you wanna report BUg?
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mine one is normal, may be no affect ikan bilis account like me, biggrin.gif .
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Nov 5 2013, 06:21 PM)
mine one is normal, may be no affect ikan bilis account like me,  biggrin.gif  .
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hmm.gif I think it is the formatting of the wordings in the column....not so much about the value in the portfolio.
but again, I may be wrong like usual tongue.gif
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need multi million account baru got such error biggrin.gif
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*yawn* peaceful market = boring.
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There's been talk about improving European market recently. Time to focus on other region other than asian?
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There's been talk about improving European market recently.  Time to focus on other region other than asian?
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Why don't let the Fund Manager manage that? through a Global / Developed Market Fund? rolleyes.gif


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moderate hmm.gif ? concerned about Affin buyout rumors? brows.gif
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QUOTE(prole @ Nov 7 2013, 12:19 AM)
moderate hmm.gif ? concerned about Affin buyout rumors? brows.gif
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rumors? I thought it was a confirmed deal.
concerned? post #254 page #13 by xuzen has a logic point. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2495026/+240#entry64350709
or do you know something not known to most public? hmm.gif notworthy.gif
well, forgot to ask....what is your concern then?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 7 2013, 12:25 AM)
rumors? I thought it was a confirmed deal.
concerned? post #254 page #13 by xuzen has a logic point. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2495026/+240#entry64350709
or do you know something not known to most public? hmm.gif  notworthy.gif
well, forgot to ask....what is your concern then?
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That is always the standard answers bro.
Current team mostly old PM fella. I'm concern same thing will occur as per what happen when PM changed their management last time. Still remember when EPF had decided to revoke their agency (but subsequently reverse the decision) due to ... rolleyes.gif
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That is always the standard answers bro.
Current team mostly old PM fella. I'm concern same thing will occur as per what happen when PM changed their management last time. Still remember when EPF had decided to revoke their agency (but subsequently reverse the decision) due to ... rolleyes.gif
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hmm.gif do you mean the case where the agent seeking clients at EPF premises? is that the case?
the main concern to me is that there is a possibility of "directive" from above to invest more in M'sia and buy more "GLC" connected counters than diversify out of Malaysia or any where (mandated) when the fund managers deemed fit.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 7 2013, 08:57 AM)
hmm.gif do you mean the case where the agent seeking clients at EPF premises? is that the case?
the main concern to me is that there is a possibility of "directive" from above to invest more in M'sia and buy more "GLC" connected counters than diversify out of Malaysia or any where (mandated) when the fund managers deemed fit.
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No. I think he meant the case when PM ppl market their funds like this >>> "PM funds returns BETTER than EPF" tongue.gif
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Pink, PGSF flying.. Haha! Time to switch out HSAO, or should hold and top up the rest?
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Just noticed that Yahoo! Finance ticker has replaced STI with Shanghai Composite as the top 3 indices for Asian region.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 08:43 PM)
Pink, PGSF flying.. Haha! Time to switch out HSAO, or should hold and top up the rest?
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Because of increased exposure in US?

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During the month, the Fund switched out of outperformers in North Asia and ASEAN – particularly in the banking, building materials/construction, oil and gas sectors – and switched into laggards including US stocks and REITs on price weakness.

From: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYPMFGSF.pdf


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PGSF fly.. maybe i should switch out AGEF biggrin.gif or RSP buy PGSF hehe.. Looks like US is flying, while Asia is weakening..

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Pink, PGSF flying.. Haha! Time to switch out HSAO, or should hold and top up the rest?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 7 2013, 09:07 PM)
PGSF fly.. maybe i should switch out AGEF biggrin.gif or RSP buy PGSF hehe.. Looks like US is flying, while Asia is weakening..
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Last time when PGSF in the basement u guys hated it? tongue.gif

Beware of switching just when the wind is about to change... tongue.gif
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Last time when PGSF in the basement u guys hated it? tongue.gif

Beware of switching just when the wind is about to change... tongue.gif
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Well, medium term wise, developed countries are more favourable. That's why PGSF is changing strategy.
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Well, medium term wise, developed countries are more favourable. That's why PGSF is changing strategy.
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Like I've said before, Mr Market could remain irrational for longer than your ammo can last... sweat.gif

Asia ex-Japan may offer great value, but Mr Market is still not buying into it. doh.gif
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Like I've said before, Mr Market could remain irrational for longer than your ammo can last... sweat.gif

Asia ex-Japan may offer great value, but Mr Market is still not buying into it. doh.gif
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It's very hard to outplay the market! Just build a balanced portfolio that rides through any storm. tongue.gif
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So, how u "balance" your equity exposure?

For now I'm sticking to Developed 25% Asia + Emerging 75%
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 7 2013, 09:51 PM)
So, how u "balance" your equity exposure?

For now I'm sticking to Developed 25% Asia + Emerging 75%
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Still finding the right formula. Lately very busy with work.

I'm too heavy with Asia Ex Japan.
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Last time when PGSF in the basement u guys hated it? tongue.gif

Beware of switching just when the wind is about to change... tongue.gif
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ECB lower rates. Another day for global funds to flyyyy.

U said wind changing. You meant from Asia to US/Europe right.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 7 2013, 09:49 PM)
It's very hard to outplay the market! Just build a balanced portfolio that rides through any storm. tongue.gif
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It's getting too peaceful lately. That's why you see thread also dead. Lol.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 10:06 PM)
ECB lower rates. Another day for global funds to flyyyy.

U said wind changing. You meant from Asia to US/Europe right.
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URL on the news:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ecb-cuts-rat...-125538850.html

0.25%

Money will fly back to Asia, EM and SEA. whistling.gif

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My favorite place to get the hottest news is from BI smile.gif
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ECB lower rates. Another day for global funds to flyyyy.

U said wind changing. You meant from Asia to US/Europe right.
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No, but from US/Europe to Asia.

Recent months Asia has been ding dong-ing, while US and Europe strong. It's about time? brows.gif

Oops, FSM has been saying that for some time, until they also gave up on Alliance Global Equities and PGSF and bought into RHB-GS US fund laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 7 2013, 10:11 PM)
No, but from US/Europe to Asia.

Recent months Asia has been ding dong-ing, while US and Europe strong. It's about time? brows.gif

Oops, FSM has been saying that for some time, until they also gave up on Alliance Global Equities and PGSF and bought into RHB-GS US fund laugh.gif
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Oh, thought u talking about the strong performance from Asia region moved to US and Europe. I agree- US has been showing really strong performance.

I don't think you will be topping up HSAQ anymore right? Have you found a substitute to HSAO, or you will be topping up HSAO and HSAQ still.
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Oh, thought u talking about the strong performance from Asia region moved to US and Europe. I agree- US has been showing really strong performance.

I don't think you will be topping up HSAQ anymore right? Have you found a substitute to HSAO, or you will be topping up HSAO and HSAQ still.
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Of course US is strong.

DJIA hits record high yesterday!

CIMB APDIF will be my equivalent fund to HSAO.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 7 2013, 10:17 PM)
Of course US is strong.

DJIA hits record high yesterday!

CIMB APDIF will be my equivalent fund to HSAO.
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And taking into account of the news released earlier, DJ will hit new high again? Haha!

With all this scenario playing, I don't think I'm able to proceed with my plan to increase US/EU exposure sad.gif
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Oh, thought u talking about the strong performance from Asia region moved to US and Europe. I agree- US has been showing really strong performance.

I don't think you will be topping up HSAQ anymore right? Have you found a substitute to HSAO, or you will be topping up HSAO and HSAQ still.
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Actually I just dumped RM100 into Ponzi Quantum today blush.gif

HSAO is now 8% of my equity funds, I've already stopped topping up on it, while topping up on other funds from now and then. When it dropped to my targeted 6% of my equity funds, I'd reevaluate its position in my portfolio again.

I think if I were to dump HSAO, I'd look at AmAsia Pacific Equity Income.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 10:25 PM)
And taking into account of the news released earlier, DJ will hit new high again? Haha!

With all this scenario playing, I don't think I'm able to proceed with my plan to increase US/EU exposure sad.gif
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I agreed with you on the later statement.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 7 2013, 10:26 PM)
Actually I just dumped RM100 into Ponzi Quantum today blush.gif

HSAO is now 8% of my equity funds, I've already stopped topping up on it, while topping up on other funds from now and then. When it dropped to my targeted 6% of my equity funds, I'd reevaluate its position in my portfolio again.

I think if I were to dump HSAO, I'd look at AmAsia Pacific Equity Income.
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That would make your Asia portfolio more volatile right. Higher exposure in small-to-mid capital.
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I agreed with you on the later statement.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 10:48 PM)
That would make your Asia portfolio more volatile right. Higher exposure in small-to-mid capital.
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Leave the large caps to Eastspring Investments GEMF, Pacific GSF and OSK-UOB GEYF wink.gif
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Leave the large caps to Eastspring Investments GEMF, Pacific GSF and OSK-UOB GEYF wink.gif
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Hwang Asia Quantum (based on latest available fact sheet) is overweight Singapore and Malaysia, follow by HK 11%. Would it still be wise to top up since it has such high exposure in Singapore and Malaysia. Better to invest in Select Asia Opportunity which has high exposure in Singapore and HK (both >20%) and lower on Malaysia?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 11:28 PM)
Hwang Asia Quantum (based on latest available fact sheet) is overweight Singapore and Malaysia, follow by HK 11%. Would it still be wise to top up since it has such high exposure in Singapore and Malaysia. Better to invest in Select Asia Opportunity which has high exposure in Singapore and HK (both >20%) and lower on Malaysia?
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Even tough Malaysia index reached record high but HAQF is investing in mid to small cap.

FSM analyst is emphasizing on the small cap upside potential for Malaysian market.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 7 2013, 11:36 PM)
Even tough Malaysia index reached record high but HAQF is investing in mid to small cap.

FSM analyst is emphasizing on the small cap upside potential for Malaysian market.
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I was trying to assess the balance between region exposure and capital exposure.

Do enlighten me here. But the potential return of investing in large capital in HK is HIGHER as compared to the small-to-mid cap in Malaysia right? Due to the size of the market. That was my thought, that's why I will go for staying invested more in HK market than Malaysia.

Referring to your first paragraph, I agree that I was hesitating because KLCI is hovering around record high. But u mentioned "but HAQF is investing in mid to small cap". What do you mean by that. Some of the mid to small cap company is listed as well. So KLCI high means those company are already performing well too right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 11:48 PM)
I was trying to assess the balance between region exposure and capital exposure.

Do enlighten me here. But the potential return of investing in large capital in HK is HIGHER as compared to the small-to-mid cap in Malaysia right? Due to the size of the market. That was my thought, that's why I will go for staying invested more in HK market than Malaysia.

Referring to your first paragraph, I agree that I was hesitating because KLCI is hovering around record high. But u mentioned "but HAQF is investing in mid to small cap". What do you mean by that. Some of the mid to small cap company is listed as well. So KLCI high means those company are already performing well too right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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KLCI is only made of 30 largest companies.
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Surprising RED day for US markets:

DJIA 15,594.00 -152.90 -0.97%
S&P 500 1,747.15 -23.34 -1.32%
NASDAQ 3,857.33 -74.61 -1.90%
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If I already got AGEF (with monthly RSP) for my global risk appetite, is it still wise to invest into OSK-UOB GEYF as well?
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If I already got AGEF (with monthly RSP) for my global risk appetite, is it still wise to invest into OSK-UOB GEYF as well?
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AGEF has 2/3 exposure at Asian region.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 8 2013, 07:14 AM)
Surprising RED day for US markets:

DJIA 15,594.00  -152.90  -0.97%
S&P 500 1,747.15  -23.34  -1.32%
NASDAQ 3,857.33  -74.61  -1.90%
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due to US 3rd quarter 2.8% GDP growth, they are now worried bout tapering again. it may start next month.

i think it will be very red today, shopping spree soon

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due to US 3rd quarter 2.8% GDP growth, they are now worried bout tapering again. it may start next month.

i think it will be very red today, shopping spree soon
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I just topped up HAQF last week. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 7 2013, 11:28 PM)
Hwang Asia Quantum (based on latest available fact sheet) is overweight Singapore and Malaysia, follow by HK 11%. Would it still be wise to top up since it has such high exposure in Singapore and Malaysia. Better to invest in Select Asia Opportunity which has high exposure in Singapore and HK (both >20%) and lower on Malaysia?
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Aiks, how come I missed that doh.gif

Malaysian small-mid caps have outperformed lately, all the big performers in my stock portfolio are the relatively unknown small-mid caps blink.gif

Nvm lar, I can always adjust the balance between HSAO and HSAQ, free switching mar tongue.gif
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I just topped up HAQF last week. sweat.gif
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i also topped up 2 weeks ago, i think it will go down soon. profit taking in the next few days until there is some news from fed
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 7 2013, 09:07 PM)
PGSF fly.. maybe i should switch out AGEF biggrin.gif or RSP buy PGSF hehe.. Looks like US is flying, while Asia is weakening..
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hmm.gif last checked my AGEF from
- 0.76% 18 OCT to
+ 0.52% 31 Oct to
+ 1.70% 6 Nov
(3 weeks up 2.5%)

rclxms.gif wow last nite i went shopping....came back noticed that this forum had advanced a few pages with good hindsights...long time did not have this movement...lor rclxms.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 8 2013, 10:37 AM)
hmm.gif last checked my AGEF from
- 0.76% 18 OCT to
+ 0.52% 31 Oct  to
+ 1.70% 6 Nov
(3 weeks up 2.5%)

  rclxms.gif  wow last nite i went shopping....came back noticed that this forum had advanced a few pages with good hindsights...long time did not have this movement...lor  rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 8 2013, 09:48 AM)
Aiks, how come I missed that doh.gif

Malaysian small-mid caps have outperformed lately, all the big performers in my stock portfolio are the relatively unknown small-mid caps blink.gif

Nvm lar, I can always adjust the balance between HSAO and HSAQ, free switching mar tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 8 2013, 12:45 PM)
U baru baru said don't want touch HSAO already.
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Looking at the risk-reward measure, HSAO is indeed not as good as HSAQ. Hence, my allocation 6% on HSAO and 14% on HSAQ.

Overall my target allocation:
35% Eastspring Investments GEMF
6% Hwang SAO
14% Hwang SAQ
30% OSK-UOB GEYF
15% Pacific GSF

But sometimes I had thought, 6% is too small, why waste time on it? Might as well leave Asia large caps to Pacific unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 8 2013, 01:28 PM)
Looking at the risk-reward measure, HSAO is indeed not as good as HSAQ. Hence, my allocation 6% on HSAO and 14% on HSAQ.

Overall my target allocation:
35% Eastspring Investments GEMF
6% Hwang SAO
14% Hwang SAQ
30% OSK-UOB GEYF
15% Pacific GSF

But sometimes I had thought, 6% is too small, why waste time on it? Might as well leave Asia large caps to Pacific unsure.gif
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PGSF shows the best performance for the past months in my portfolio. Maybe it's time to let go HSAO hmm.gif

Is it stated in the annual report that PGSF invest mostly in Asia large caps? I don't remember reading it.
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PGSF shows the best performance for the past months in my portfolio. Maybe it's time to let go HSAO  hmm.gif 

Is it stated in the annual report that PGSF invest mostly in Asia large caps? I don't remember reading it.
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Pacific has always been overweighting Asia ex-Japan large caps if u look at their recent annual reports. US+Europe+Japan have almost never exceeded 1/3 of their overall exposure.
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Pacific has always been overweighting Asia ex-Japan large caps if u look at their recent annual reports. US+Europe+Japan have almost never exceeded 1/3 of their overall exposure.
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That makes PGSF looks like another AGEF.
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That makes PGSF looks like another AGEF.
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AGEF's country exposure is a lot more rigid. Pacific GSF is more flexible.
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currently my laggards are HSAO >< possible to free switch all to HSAQ?
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currently my laggards are HSAO >< possible to free switch all to HSAQ?
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HSAQ not laggard?
i "think" the performance of these 2 are now almost similar for the past 2 months
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HSAQ not laggard?
i "think" the performance of these 2 are now almost similar for the past 2 months
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HAQ ding dong bigger, HSAO ding dong smaller, and going down to the drain lol.. or maybe i just keep it rolling la..
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Seems like market didn't take the ECB news well.
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Look like roller coaster.. AVG still not much downside. Perhaps the bull take a temporary rest.
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dow all time high again lei..
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still shake head how you guys are treating unit trust like stock market...

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still shake head how you guys are treating unit trust like stock market...

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Your analogy is flawed for several reasons:

1. I also got INVEST in KLSE stocks, and I buy buy buy and very rarely will I touch the "sell" button
2. With unit trusts, I buy buy buy buy buy and almost will never click the "sell" button unless to switch to a different fund which I think will have better potential

With "robotic" DCA approach, u will top up e.g. on every 15th of the month. My approach is a little bit different - I still top up every month, I top up less (or nothing at all) if the month has seen a super equity bull run, I top up more if it has been a bearish month; and I top up when market is gloomy, not on a fixed date of the month.

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1st time posting in this thread,although I always visit this thread.
Started investing in unit trust on this September,my targeted allocation:
10%-AmDynamic
20%-KidSave
14%-Aberdeen Islamic World
14%-Osk GEYF
10.5%-AmAsia Pacific Equity
10.5%-Hwang SAQ
7%-Osk Equity Trust
7%-Kenanga Growth
7%-Eastspring Investment Small Cap
Was hoping sifu-sifu here can give some advice.
Is my allocation good?Or too much fund already?
I'm 21 this year btw...
Thanks a lot in advance!

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@Zdes, you have 9 funds. OMG.

I think you can eliminate some of them if they have redundant objective or country allocation.

Personally I think it'll hard to monitor/manage unless you're aiming to let them auto-pilot themselves.

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I also felt I have too many fund..wonder why I didn't thought of that earlier.
Which part do you think I'm too heavy in?
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1st time posting in this thread,although I always visit this thread.
Started investing in unit trust on this September,my targeted allocation:
10%-AmDynamic
20%-KidSave
14%-Aberdeen Islamic World
14%-Osk GEYF
10.5%-AmAsia Pacific Equity
10.5%-Hwang SAQ
7%-Osk Equity Trust
7%-Kenanga Growth
7%-Eastspring Investment Small Cap
Was hoping sifu-sifu here can give some advice.
Is my allocation good?Or too much fund already?
I'm 21 this year btw...
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Hwang SAQ vs EI Small Cap
Aberdeen Islamic vs OSK GEYF
OSK Equity Trust vs AmAsia Pac EQ

These 3 are quite close to each other
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Hwang SAQ vs EI Small Cap
Aberdeen Islamic vs OSK GEYF
OSK Equity Trust vs AmAsia Pac EQ

These 3 are quite close to each other

So in your opinion,i should just focus on one of each?
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QUOTE(Zdes @ Nov 11 2013, 08:58 AM)
Hwang SAQ vs EI Small Cap
Aberdeen Islamic vs OSK GEYF
OSK Equity Trust vs AmAsia Pac EQ

These 3 are quite close to each other

So in your opinion,i should just focus on one of each?
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Yes, IMHO u should dump 3 of these 6.

If u ask my opinion, I'd say keep the bold ones.
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Good morning guys.

Any bonds recommendation? hmm.gif

Want to diversify 10-15% into fixed income bonds...

Advice please. biggrin.gif
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Good morning guys.

Any bonds recommendation? hmm.gif

Want to diversify 10-15% into fixed income bonds...

Advice please. biggrin.gif
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FSM Fund Choice for Nov.....
CIMB-Principal Strategic Bond Fund
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4021

hmm.gif just a note: a forummer once suggested FD as a better choice for bond
considering the maybe 1% or 2% variance with much less risk....
oooh unless you go for RHB islamic or RHB bond..... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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FSM Fund Choice for Nov.....
CIMB-Principal Strategic Bond Fund
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4021

hmm.gif just a note: a forummer once suggested FD as a better choice for bond
considering the maybe 1% or 2% variance with much less risk....
oooh unless you go for RHB islamic or RHB bond..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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hello there.

any reference for the bolded sentence? laugh.gif
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hello there.

any reference for the bolded sentence?  laugh.gif
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will go and stalk her post now. brows.gif
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Pacific has always been overweighting Asia ex-Japan large caps if u look at their recent annual reports. US+Europe+Japan have almost never exceeded 1/3 of their overall exposure.
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How come nobody talk about CIMB-Principal GTF? I think it is one of the best global fund in FSM and feed into PGI US, Jap & Europe equity funds.
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How come nobody talk about CIMB-Principal GTF? I think it is one of the best global fund in FSM and feed into PGI US, Jap & Europe equity funds.
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I did not like it bcos it's hard to find detailed info on its underlying holdings.

CIMB GT is a Feeder Fund, right? I go to Principal website...it's like a maze to me rclxub.gif

A good example would be Alliance Global Equities...it feeds into Fullerton Global Equities. I can find info on the Fullerton fund easily.
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I did not like it bcos it's hard to find detailed info on its underlying holdings.

CIMB GT is a Feeder Fund, right? I go to Principal website...it's like a maze to me rclxub.gif

A good example would be Alliance Global Equities...it feeds into Fullerton Global Equities. I can find info on the Fullerton fund easily.
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Maybe it is not qualified as Global as there is no target Asian exJapan funds.

It feeds into 3 PGI funds
The PGI Funds US Equity Fund
The PGI Funds Japanese Equity Fund
The PGI Funds European Equity Fund.

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How come nobody talk about CIMB-Principal GTF? I think it is one of the best global fund in FSM and feed into PGI US, Jap & Europe equity funds.
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Actually, no. Just one of the many funds who are look-alikes on the chart.

Try the following 3 on the same chart for various time-periods, and see what I mean:

- CIMB-P GTF
- RHB - GS US
- OSK - US FOCUS

There are others like these. They probably share many things, like feeding into the same management funds eventually, or maybe they happen to subscribe to the same investment advice newsletters from the same gurus, or something like that smile.gif

Try something different - add Eastspring Small-Cap to the chart and see the contrast.

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Updated my portfolio regional exposure. Seems like Malaysia exposure drop significantly, while China/HK exposure increases. Worst of all is that some funds are actually cash heavy now, especially both Hwang funds (Hwang Asia Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity).

''In September fact sheet, PGSF mentioned that they switched out from North Asia and ASEAN and to US laggards.'' - Only available data is as at March, which they were holding 26% in China/HK and 17% in US. Unfortunately we won't be able to know about their recent region exposure. doh.gif

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Updated my portfolio regional exposure. Seems like Malaysia exposure drop significantly, while China/HK exposure increases. Worst of all is that some funds are actually cash heavy now, especially both Hwang funds (Hwang Asia Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity).

''In September fact sheet, PGSF mentioned that they switched out from North Asia and ASEAN and to US laggards.'' - Only available data is as at March, which they were holding 26% in China/HK and 17% in US. Unfortunately we won't be able to know about their recent region exposure.  doh.gif
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Yeah, that's the problem with PGSF. So, what I do is I won't update the regional exposure of PGSF until the next annual/interim report comes out.

Emerging Markets hit greatly. IRR for my holdings of EI GEMF dropped from 10%+/- to 5% in a matter of a week.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
hmm.gif just a note: a forummer once suggested FD as a better choice for bond
considering the maybe 1% or 2% variance with much less risk....
oooh unless you go for RHB islamic or RHB bond..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Yeah, I wonder the same thing sometimes because when I look at bonds' returns, it seems like most of them have quite low %...some are even lower than usual FD rates. I wonder if it even makes sense to buy bonds because of the same reasons above too.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 11 2013, 10:17 PM)
Yeah, that's the problem with PGSF. So, what I do is I won't update the regional exposure of PGSF until the next annual/interim report comes out.

Emerging Markets hit greatly. IRR for my holdings of EI GEMF dropped from 10%+/- to 5% in a matter of a week.
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It's not ''WON'T'', it's ''CAN'T'' smile.gif

Speaking of EI GEM fund, the perfomance is sliding is mainly contributed by China/HK as well. Is it mainly invested in large cap or small to mid cap company?
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 11 2013, 10:19 PM)
Yeah, I wonder the same thing sometimes because when I look at bonds' returns, it seems like most of them have quite low %...some are even lower than usual FD rates. I wonder if it even makes sense to buy bonds because of the same reasons above too.
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Assuming it's 1 month FD. 3% per annum. 0.25% per month.

Which bond fund are you looking at? Bond funds' performance are generally sliding now.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 11 2013, 10:43 PM)
Assuming it's 1 month FD. 3% per annum. 0.25% per month.

Which bond fund are you looking at? Bond funds' performance are generally sliding now.
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Yeah, but I was looking at the annual % return of bonds, not monthly...none in general as I was browsing a number of them, sorry for the lack of specific names. I'll try to add on if I go through them again.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 11 2013, 10:49 PM)
Yeah, but I was looking at the annual % return of bonds, not monthly...none in general as I was browsing a number of them, sorry for the lack of specific names. I'll try to add on if I go through them again.
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Your question is too general.

Let's take a general bond fund from award winning AmInvestment AmBond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.4%, 2 years is 2.8% p.a and 3 years is 3.7%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMBOND

If you take another award winning bond fund from AmInvestment AmDynamic Bond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.6%, 2 years is 5.0% p.a and 3 years is 6.4%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMDNMB

The difference between them is risk rating and fund objective.

Thus the conclusion, the general return for a typical bond is roughly 5% to 8% which is usually outpaced 12-month FD.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 11 2013, 11:08 PM)
Your question is too general.

Let's take a general bond fund from award winning AmInvestment AmBond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.4%, 2 years is 2.8% p.a and 3 years is 3.7%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMBOND

If you take another award winning bond fund from AmInvestment AmDynamic Bond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.6%, 2 years is 5.0% p.a and 3 years is 6.4%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMDNMB

The difference between them is risk rating and fund objective.

Thus the conclusion, the general return for a typical bond is roughly 5% to 8% which is usually outpaced 12-month FD.
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So if I were to take the example in blue, then it means the bond is so-called on par with FD rates only at the 3rd year, yea? Quite a slow return if we were to pick the wrong fund, huh =/
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So if I were to take the example in blue, then it means the bond is so-called on par with FD rates only at the 3rd year, yea? Quite a slow return if we were to pick the wrong fund, huh =/
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As I said different bond fund has different investment mandate. AmBond fund is a short tenure bond fund that has a low risk; therefore its return will either match or slightly outpace FD.


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It's not ''WON'T'', it's ''CAN'T''  smile.gif

Speaking of EI GEM fund, the perfomance is sliding is mainly contributed by China/HK as well. Is it mainly invested in large cap or small to mid cap company?
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EI GEM only invests in large cap EM stocks
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I paid using CIMBClicks but received this from FSM:

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Please be informed that for internet banking facility (CIMB) your bank will need 1 business day to disburse the money to us.


Does it happen to M2U too?
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I paid using CIMBClicks but received this from FSM:
Does it happen to M2U too?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2013, 06:54 AM)
As I said different bond fund has different investment mandate. AmBond fund is a short tenure bond fund that has a low risk; therefore its return will either match or slightly outpace FD.
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Thanks, David83 smile.gif

What do you all think about OSK-UOB US Focus Equity, OSK-UOB Global Allocation and CIMB Principal Global Titans funds?
They are all in different sectors and have different focuses (do correct me if I'm wrong), and they are all showing relatively healthy signs. I tried to search in this thread, but no results...I hope these were not mentioned before, and sorry if they're repeats.

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Thanks, David83 smile.gif

What do you all think about OSK-UOB US Focus Equity, OSK-UOB Global Allocation and CIMB Principal Global Titans funds?
They are all in different sectors and have different focuses (do correct me if I'm wrong), and they are all showing relatively healthy signs. I tried to search in this thread, but no results...I hope these were not mentioned before, and sorry if they're repeats.
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Perhaps those 3 are not famous among forumers here.

"We" like Pacific Global Stars Fund, Alliance Global Equity Fund, OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund both Hwang (HSAOF and HSAQF) and perhaps Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2013, 06:34 PM)
Perhaps those 3 are not famous among forumers here.

"We" like Pacific Global Stars Fund, Alliance Global Equity Fund, OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund both Hwang (HSAOF and HSAQF) and perhaps Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund.
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Oh...any specific reasons why certain funds are more favoured over, say, the 3 that I mentioned? Just for my knowledge sweat.gif
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Oh...any specific reasons why certain funds are more favoured over, say, the 3 that I mentioned? Just for my knowledge sweat.gif
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Some of them are top performer, some of them are recommended by FSM.
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Oh...any specific reasons why certain funds are more favoured over, say, the 3 that I mentioned? Just for my knowledge sweat.gif
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1. Past performance
2. FSM recommendation

Pacific GSF -
The fund manager has a fairly flexible mandate to select stocks, and it's not afraid to hold high/low cash levels as they see fit

OSK-UOB GEYF -
A "safe" choice due to its focus on dividend-yielding equities from relatively stable sectors/industries

Alliance Global Equities -
Feeds into Singapore managed Fullerton Global Equities (Fullerton is associated to Temasek the Singapore sovereign wealth fund)

Hwang Select Asia Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity
HwangIM's performance speaks for itself. And why we call Asia Quantum the "Ponzi fund"...I leave it to your imagination tongue.gif

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity -
Sister fund to the hugely successful Aberdeen Global Opportunities available thru FSM Singapore, probably their only difference is one is Shariah-compliant while the other is not.
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Anybody knows why AmDynamic Bond NAV keeps sliding recently?


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 12 2013, 08:27 PM)
1. Past performance
2. FSM recommendation

Pacific GSF -
The fund manager has a fairly flexible mandate to select stocks, and it's not afraid to hold high/low cash levels as they see fit

OSK-UOB GEYF -
A "safe" choice due to its focus on dividend-yielding equities from relatively stable sectors/industries

Alliance Global Equities -
Feeds into Singapore managed Fullerton Global Equities (Fullerton is associated to Temasek the Singapore sovereign wealth fund)

Hwang Select Asia Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity
HwangIM's performance speaks for itself. And why we call Asia Quantum the "Ponzi fund"...I leave it to your imagination tongue.gif

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity -
Sister fund to the hugely successful Aberdeen Global Opportunities available thru FSM Singapore, probably their only difference is one is Shariah-compliant while the other is not.
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Thanks for the helpful information, Pink!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2013, 09:43 PM)
Anybody knows why AmDynamic Bond NAV keeps sliding recently?
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I'm actually thinking about selling some AmDynamite and use the money to buy into DIGI.com Bhd and/or Axis REIT unsure.gif

Yield is similar, but with capital appreciation potential

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I was thinking to buy some AmDynamite lol
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You're welcome, Pink tongue.gif
I'm actually thinking about selling some AmDynamite and use the money to buy into DIGI.com Bhd and/or Axis REIT unsure.gif

Yield is similar, but with capital appreciation potential
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I have similar thinking as you - to cash out AmDynamic and put into other more higher return fund.
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I have similar thinking as you - to cash out AmDynamic and put into other more higher return fund.
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Based on current market scenario, are u actually comfortable to increase your UT equity exposure?

I think my risk appetite limits me to EQ 60:40 FI.

But I'm comfortable buying more KLSE stocks to hold, cos as long as I don't sell, any "paper losses" won't be realised, I just hold and keep receive the cash dividends. Just treat as a very long term FD, just a matter of time before the dividends cover/offset the price losses.

Whereas if buy into UTs, if the fund manager disposes off the loss-making positions, the paper losses would be realised and hit my portfolio value.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 13 2013, 10:48 AM)
Based on current market scenario, are u actually comfortable to increase your UT equity exposure?

I think my risk appetite limits me to EQ 60:40 FI.

But I'm comfortable buying more KLSE stocks to hold, cos as long as I don't sell, any "paper losses" won't be realised, I just hold and keep receive the cash dividends. Just treat as a very long term FD, just a matter of time before the dividends cover/offset the price losses.

Whereas if buy into UTs, if the fund manager disposes off the loss-making positions, the paper losses would be realised and hit my portfolio value.
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Alright, selling 1/6 of my AmDynamic Bond today, moving the money to local KLSE stocks that are beaten down in recent days.
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is it a wise decision to sell off amdynamite and bank in to CMF? Assume CMF as a form of FI also? sweat.gif
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is it a wise decision to sell off amdynamite and bank in to CMF? Assume CMF as a form of FI also? sweat.gif
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CMF would be a safe choice to park your money, basically zero risk close to 1-month FD returns. Current yield is 2.94%.

I'm moving the money to local dividend stocks, I'm looking at a few...see how they behave in coming days hmm.gif

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is it a wise decision to sell off amdynamite and bank in to CMF? Assume CMF as a form of FI also? sweat.gif
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hmm.gif in the longer terms, i think bond fund will out perform CMF.
are you in for the longer or short terms (< 3 yrs)?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 13 2013, 01:48 PM)
hmm.gif in the longer terms, i think bond fund will out perform CMF.
are you in for the longer or short terms (< 3 yrs)?
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The paper loss u will suffer when BNM hikes rate (speculated by 2nd half of 2014?) may not be covered by the interest incomes in 2-3 years tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 13 2013, 01:52 PM)
The paper loss u will suffer when BNM hikes rate (speculated by 2nd half of 2014?) may not be covered by the interest incomes tongue.gif
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0.25% ~ 0.5% up can affect so much meh?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 13 2013, 01:55 PM)
0.25% ~ 0.5% up can affect so much meh?
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4057

Idea Of The Week: Window Of Opportunity For Fixed Income Investors [8 November 2013]

1. rebalance fixed income allocation

Riskier segments of fixed income which have been popular in recent times, have been impacted hard over the course of the previous few months, with Asian bonds, Emerging market debt and even High Yield on the receiving end of a rise in yields. The rise in yields on the various segments has been predominantly led by a rise in the spread between the US Treasury and their respective yields, although the reduction in exposure by foreign investors has contributed to currency depreciation which has added to negative performances for holders of the above said segments. With investors having previously been infatuated with the riskier segments of fixed income, which while not desirable was understandable given their relatively more attractive yields, the recent respite afforded to them by the Fed's decision not to begin tapering its asset purchase program should be seized and made full use of.

Investors who have been overly exposed to the riskier segments of fixed income should be looking to pare down their exposure to the riskier segments, given that the current reprieve is expected to be temporal and that tapering and a return to more normalised (higher) levels of interest rates are inevitable.

2. take note of duration exposure of existing bond funds

Duration, an indication of the sensitivity of a fixed income product's price to a change in interest rates, is an important measure that investors should take note of. The higher the duration, the more sensitive a fixed income product is to a change in interest rates. With that in mind, investors who have been investing in funds that are typically long duration, particularly applicable for funds whose investment space resides in the government debt sphere where longer dated bonds offering low yields are the norm, need to pay attention to the said measure. That being said, investors can leave the duration management up to the fund managers' expertise and discretion.

3. consider equity-exposed bond funds

Investors who can take higher level of risk and would like to gain potentially higher return can consider bond funds with exposure to equities. CIMB Islamic Enhanced Sukuk Fund and AmConservative are two examples of Malaysia bond funds with exposure to equities. As of 8 November 2013, CIMB Islamic Enhanced Sukuk Fund returned 5.21% and 7.87% on a 3-year and 5-year annualised basis respectively while AmConservative returned 6.69% and 6.71% in the same period respectively. Based on their respective factsheets as of end September 2013, CIMB Islamic Enhanced Sukuk Fund has close to 20% of its net asset value (NAV) in equities while AmConservative has 25% of its NAV in equities.



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hmm.gif i see Amdynamic trend up in between 2006 ~ 2008 at the same time M'sia interest rate go up from 2.7% to 3.5%

anything usual happens in that period?


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DiGi dividend fell as compared to FY2012. Based on the current market price, you are getting a mere 3.5%. If next year dividend continue to fall, it's not attractive.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 13 2013, 02:46 PM)
DiGi dividend fell as compared to FY2012. Based on the current market price, you are getting a mere 3.5%. If next year dividend continue to fall, it's not attractive.
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Today continuing weakness...let's see if it can drop further. hmm.gif

My minimum yield requirement is 4% for stocks that are still growing, 5% for REITs.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 13 2013, 02:47 PM)
Today continuing weakness...let's see if it can drop further. hmm.gif

My minimum yield requirement is 4% for stocks that are still growing, 5% for REITs.
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Based on dividend payout of 16.8 cent, it need to drop to 4.20 before you can pick up some. But highly unlikely can drop so much hmm.gif

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Based on dividend payout of 16.8 cent, it need to drop to 4.20 before you can pick up some  icon_rolleyes.gif
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market is unsettled, let's see what happens in coming days, my sale proceeds also need T+4 i.e. 19th Nov to go in my bank account mar biggrin.gif

Sometimes u can never get the price u want, as long as it's SOMEWHERE CLOSE, pick it up lor. Like Nestle I also buy at 3.8% DY, but profitability is growing, the DY will catch up somehow. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 13 2013, 02:58 PM)
market is unsettled, let's see what happens in coming days, my sale proceeds also need T+4 i.e. 19th Nov to go in my bank account mar biggrin.gif

Sometimes u can never get the price u want, as long as it's SOMEWHERE CLOSE, pick it up lor. Like Nestle I also buy at 3.8% DY, but profitability is growing, the DY will catch up somehow. icon_idea.gif
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Why not buy Maxis. Well above 4% already at current price.
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Why not buy Maxis. Well above 4% already at current price.
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Look at its earnings...its payout is WELL ABOVE its earnings. I haven't got the time/heart to go deep into its accounts, but my knowledge tells me that dividend>earnings is not sustainable.

And Maxis is geared i.e. has issued bonds, basically it's borrowing money to pay shareholders.
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A good dividend yield is always welcome but as an investors we should be mindful of how dividends are funded because not all dividends are created equally.
http://www.fool.sg/2013/02/14/not-all-divi...-created-equal/

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 13 2013, 01:48 PM)
hmm.gif in the longer terms, i think bond fund will out perform CMF.
are you in for the longer or short terms (< 3 yrs)?
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I'm in for longer term... but with recent downward performance for Amdynamite rclxub.gif cry.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Nov 13 2013, 05:21 PM)
I'm in for longer term... but with recent downward performance for Amdynamite  rclxub.gif  cry.gif  sweat.gif
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A review of the performance of fixed income funds for 3Q 2013.
Top and Bottom 5 of M'sia FI funds
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3952
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OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund is one of the bottom bond fund as I expected. LOL
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 13 2013, 10:48 AM)
Based on current market scenario, are u actually comfortable to increase your UT equity exposure?

I think my risk appetite limits me to EQ 60:40 FI.

But I'm comfortable buying more KLSE stocks to hold, cos as long as I don't sell, any "paper losses" won't be realised, I just hold and keep receive the cash dividends. Just treat as a very long term FD, just a matter of time before the dividends cover/offset the price losses.

Whereas if buy into UTs, if the fund manager disposes off the loss-making positions, the paper losses would be realised and hit my portfolio value.
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I think this question was asked quite a number of times back. But don't want to dig out old posts.

If cash out to CMF need how many days (what time is cut off)? Also if cash out to bank account? Need to provide them account number?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 14 2013, 08:22 AM)
I think this question was asked quite a number of times back. But don't want to dig out old posts.

If cash out to CMF need how many days (what time is cut off)? Also if cash out to bank account? Need to provide them account number?
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The following redemption period for redemption proceeds to reach you applies:

T+2 business days for OSK-UOB Cash Management fund and OSK-UOB Money Market Fund,

T+5 business days for ASM Investment Funds, TA Investment Funds and Pacific Cash Fund,

T+6 business days for Pacific A.I.R Fund,Amanah Mutual Funds, Hwang Investment Global Funds and Aberdeen Islamic Funds,

T+7 business days for Eastspring Investments Foreign Funds,

Generally T+4 business days for all other unit trusts.

'T' date is the day where your sell order is transacted. You will be notified of this via an email. There are three methods for us to credit the proceeds to you:

1) Cash Management Fund:

When you sell a unit trust but want to wait before you buy another, you may park the sales proceeds in the Cash Management Fund first.

You may indicate the “Cash Management Fund” as the redemption method when you sell. The sales proceeds will be used to buy into the Cash Management Fund on the settlement date of the sell order.

To know more about the Cash Management Fund, click here

2) Cheque by mail:

If you do not register a bank account in our system, we will mail out the cheque on T+2, T+4, T+5, T+6 or T+7 business days according to the funds sold as stated above. Mailing will take another three to five business days for the cheque to reach you. We will make out a cheque to the name based on your IC or passport name in your application and mail it to your mailing address.Please update your mailing address should there be any changes.

3) GIRO Transfer:

If your bank account is opened in Malaysia, we will transfer your redemption proceeds directly into your designated bank account on Settlement Date. Please note that the banks may take another day or two to complete the transaction.

To update your bank account, go to MY INVESTMENTS-> UPDATE ACCOUNT-> REDEMPTION INSTRUCTION.

B: For EPF Account 1:

The redemption proceeds will be credited back into your EPF Account 1 within 10 business days by the fund manager.


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Thanks Kabal. Morning to you, sir smile.gif
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Thanks Kabal. Morning to you, sir smile.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 13 2013, 07:16 PM)
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund is one of the bottom bond fund as I expected. LOL
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Hnnnnggghhh OSK-UOB merge with RHB become RHB-OSK funds liao oh.
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Welcome, do read #1 for FSM guidance.

P.S U bukan that hrngg hrnggghh guy at buona vista meh? tongue.gif
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as early as March 2014 thou
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QUOTE(nearlee @ Nov 14 2013, 03:39 PM)
lol sifu, when i enter market i PM you ok.. first time nervous ni =.=
as early as March 2014 thou
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This is FSM MY though, unless you open account in MY.
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just to share info....i was informed by FSM CS that templeton funds will be in FSM platform before or by Q1 next year...not sure how true this is going to be...

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Henderson: Our View on REITs (8 Nov 2013)

Patrick Sumner, Head of Global Property Equities shares what the team currently thinks about REITs and how investors can benefit from allocating to real estate.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...v-2013-41--8918

"In Europe, only UK, Sweden and Germany look interesting, and in Asia only Japan".....I got HSINFrastucture Fund (ASIA ex JPN focused) sweat.gif doh.gif cry.gif nevermind lah only 1% of portfolio. NAV currently - 8% since May sad.gif

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just when I thought the coast are clear and are thinking of putting some into EURO..... doh.gif

Eurozone recovery grinds to a near halt
The good news is that the 17-country eurozone economy is still growing. The bad news is it couldn't be growing any slower.

As the region faces a long slog back from its five-year economic crisis, official figures on Thursday showed that the currency bloc's economy barely grew at all in the July through September period.

http://news.yahoo.com/eurozone-recovery-gr...4--finance.html

What's holding the eurozone recovery back?
http://news.yahoo.com/whats-holding-eurozo...2--finance.html

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Seems like most of the peoples here are prefer AmDynamic Bond than other bond funds?
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Seems like most of the peoples here are prefer AmDynamic Bond than other bond funds?
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Nov 15 2013, 12:31 PM)
Seems like most of the peoples here are prefer AmDynamic Bond than other bond funds?
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lol sifu, when i enter market i PM you ok.. first time nervous ni =.=
as early as March 2014 thou
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here all malaysia FSM only. but some seniors here also invested in singapore FSM. smile.gif
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you singapore go open singapore FSM  laugh.gif

here all malaysia FSM only. but some seniors here also invested in singapore FSM. smile.gif
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Long time didnt check my Amdynamic bond. Didnt realise it drop a lot. Previously i still remember the NAV is 0.63. Now left 0.59. Or there was a distribution?
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Long time didnt check my Amdynamic bond. Didnt realise it drop a lot. Previously i still remember the NAV is 0.63. Now left 0.59. Or there was a distribution?
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Refer here for historical distributions:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...endHistory.svdo

The last one was in September.

And yes, it dropped a lot recently.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2013, 11:53 AM)
Refer here for historical distributions:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...endHistory.svdo

The last one was in September.

And yes, it dropped a lot recently.
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How to calculate the 1% redemption fee if wanna sell off Amdynamite bond? Plus 1% to selling NAV, is it?
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I heard spore fsm having more better funds to invest with. No time yet to learn and execute in spore shores.
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I heard spore fsm having more better funds to invest with. No time yet to learn and execute in spore shores.
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I heard spore fsm having more better funds to invest with. No time yet to learn and execute in spore shores.
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Malaysia...all jaguh kampung only biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Nov 16 2013, 12:05 PM)
How to calculate the 1% redemption fee if wanna sell off Amdynamite bond? Plus 1% to selling NAV, is it?
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If my memory do not fail me, it's like this

E.g.
NAV RM1.000, u sell 1000 units
1000 x RM1 = RM1000 gross disposal proceeds
Then take RM1000 x 1% = RM10 redemption fee
U get RM1000 - RM10 = RM990 net redemption proceeds

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2013, 01:03 PM)
If my memory do not fail me, it's like this

E.g.
NAV RM1.000, u sell 1000 units
1000 x RM1 = RM1000 gross disposal proceeds
Then take RM1000 x 1% = RM10 redemption fee
U get RM1000 - RM10 = RM990 net redemption proceeds
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Fund Name | XIRR % | Portfolio %

As of 13 Nov:

AmDynamic Bond | 4.76 | 69.97
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 5.55 | 2.18
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 8.07 | 12.36
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Fund | 16.45 | 6.05
Eastspring Global Emerging Market Fund | 22.58 | 3.36
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 20.02 | 6.08


As of 13 June:

AmDynamic Bond | 7.81 | 66.12
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 6.73 | 2.05
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 11.68 | 9.43
Public Focus Select Fund | 26.13 | 11.74
AmGlobal Emerging Market Fund | -7.54 | 2.96
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunities | 92.6 | 3.92
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 73.42 | 3.79
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 16 2013, 03:13 PM)
Fund Name | XIRR % | Portfolio %

As of 13 Nov:

AmDynamic Bond | 4.76 | 69.97
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 5.55 | 2.18
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 8.07 | 12.36
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Fund | 16.45 | 6.05
Eastspring Global Emerging Market Fund | 22.58 | 3.36
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 20.02 | 6.08
As of 13 June:

AmDynamic Bond | 7.81 | 66.12
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 6.73 | 2.05
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 11.68 | 9.43
Public Focus Select Fund | 26.13 | 11.74
AmGlobal Emerging Market Fund | -7.54 | 2.96
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunities | 92.6 | 3.92
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 73.42 | 3.79
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Compare June - Nov 13 for Ponzi fund drop more than 50%. Is it feasible to topup further consider it was cheaper cost now?
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Compare June - Nov 13 for Ponzi fund drop more than 50%. Is it feasible to topup further consider it was cheaper cost now?
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Ponzi is the worst performer in my portfolio.

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Compare June - Nov 13 for Ponzi fund drop more than 50%. Is it feasible to topup further consider it was cheaper cost now?
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do you mean HSAQuantum?
got drop >50% meh?
mine dropped <6% Nav since May till now.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 16 2013, 04:25 PM)
do you mean HSAQuantum?
got drop >50% meh?
mine dropped <6% Nav since May till now.
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There's only one Ponzi fund that we always refer to. doh.gif
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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Nov 16 2013, 03:36 PM)
Compare June - Nov 13 for Ponzi fund drop more than 50%. Is it feasible to topup further consider it was cheaper cost now?
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Not 50% lah....XIRR % is distorted if the investment period is short...which is what's happening in June.

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There's only one Ponzi fund that we always refer to. doh.gif
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then got dropped >50%?
....I really doubted

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I think he meant the XIRR dropped 50%, not the fund dropped 50%...
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 16 2013, 03:13 PM)
Fund Name | XIRR % | Portfolio %

As of 13 Nov:

AmDynamic Bond | 4.76 | 69.97
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 5.55 | 2.18
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 8.07 | 12.36
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Fund | 16.45 | 6.05
Eastspring Global Emerging Market Fund | 22.58 | 3.36
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 20.02 | 6.08
As of 13 June:

AmDynamic Bond | 7.81 | 66.12
Hong Leong Global Bond Fund | 6.73 | 2.05
Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 11.68 | 9.43
Public Focus Select Fund | 26.13 | 11.74
AmGlobal Emerging Market Fund | -7.54 | 2.96
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunities | 92.6 | 3.92
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund | 73.42 | 3.79
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Nice...no red in your portfolio thumbup.gif
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also, might scrap global bond fund soon....have been sort of in dormant state for months....

any comments?



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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 16 2013, 04:52 PM)
am looking at adding a Malaysia growth fund and another global fund. cant seem to find a good long term malaysian growth fund performer. for global fund, am looking at aberdeen.

also, might scrap global bond fund soon....have been sort of in dormant state for months....

any comments?
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Looking at my bond funds (AmDynamic Bond, OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond), I also doh.gif

But still keeping them as part of my portfolio strategy.

Malaysian GROWTH fund? What do u mean by that? U mean u want a fund that focuses on growth stocks?

Malaysian funds...u can look at the usual suspects, Kenanga Growth, Hwang Select Opportunity, Eastspring Investments Equity Income...u can't go wrong with this 3.
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yes, am looking at msian fund which focus on growth funds.

hwang select opportunity is too similar to ponzi fund in terms of stock holdings, at least from the half yearly/annual reports.

i alredi have kenanga growth for my kids portfolio...dont feel like mixing it up

easpring equity income is considered growth fund meh? i thot it's like dividend fund? i had a look at stock holdings of equity income, and the good news is not too many overlap of stock holdings with hwang select dividend
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Daily, weekly, monthly, 3 monthly, 6 monthly, 1,2,3,5,10 year,
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 16 2013, 05:02 PM)
yes, am looking at msian fund which focus on growth funds.

hwang select opportunity is too similar to ponzi fund in terms of stock holdings, at least from the half yearly/annual reports.

i alredi have kenanga growth for my kids portfolio...dont feel like mixing it up

easpring equity income is considered growth fund meh? i thot it's like dividend fund? i had a look at stock holdings of equity income, and the good news is not too many overlap of stock holdings with hwang select dividend
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Do consider OSK-UOB Equity Trust too, but beware it can hold up to 50% in Asia ex-Japan stocks. It does have some growth stocks, u see its latest fact sheet, u see stocks like Can One, Kian Joo Can, Power Root...

EI Equity Income is dividend focused, yes, but it's a good fund IMHO.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2013, 05:08 PM)
Do consider OSK-UOB Equity Trust too, but beware it can hold up to 50% in Asia ex-Japan stocks. It does have some growth stocks, u see its latest fact sheet, u see stocks like Can One, Kian Joo Can, Power Root...

EI Equity Income is dividend focused, yes, but it's a good fund IMHO.
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EI Equity Income no doubt is a good long term fund and is in my shortlist....just concern that it might duplicate with hwang select dividend which i currently hold.

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 16 2013, 06:17 PM)
EI Equity Income no doubt is a good long term fund and is in my shortlist....just concern that it might duplicate with hwang select dividend which i currently hold.
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Hwang Aiiman Growth?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 16 2013, 05:46 PM)
Hwang Aiiman Growth?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2013, 04:31 PM)
I think he meant the XIRR dropped 50%, not the fund dropped 50%...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 16 2013, 05:57 PM)
Looking at my bond funds (AmDynamic Bond, OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond), I also doh.gif

But still keeping them as part of my portfolio strategy.

Malaysian GROWTH fund? What do u mean by that? U mean u want a fund that focuses on growth stocks?

Malaysian funds...u can look at the usual suspects, Kenanga Growth, Hwang Select Opportunity, Eastspring Investments Equity Income...u can't go wrong with this 3.
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I'm also faint with OSK UOB Emerging Market Bond, I'm thinking to cut loss.

Replace another bond fund.

What do you think, pink?

Any upside potential bond to recommend?
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QUOTE(Macrusin @ Nov 16 2013, 11:05 PM)
Any upside potential bond to recommend?
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hmm.gif what is the expected ROI you are looking for within this 2~ 3 years?
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hmm.gif what is the expected ROI you are looking for within this 2~ 3 years?
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For bond fund, I don't expect high ROI.
I think 7-10% that's very good return d.
I'm thinking to dump bond, fully concentrate on equity. flex.gif
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QUOTE(Macrusin @ Nov 17 2013, 09:46 AM)
For bond fund, I don't expect high ROI.
I think 7-10% that's very good return d.
I'm thinking to dump bond, fully concentrate on equity.  flex.gif
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Bond fund don't look that promising from past trends. AmDynamic used to yield that kind of return.
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Bond fund don't look that promising from past trends. AmDynamic used to yield that kind of return.
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Since Federal Reserve said want to taper QE, most of the bonds are deeply impacted.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 09:51 AM)
Since Federal Reserve said want to taper QE, most of the bonds are deeply impacted.
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QUOTE(Macrusin @ Nov 16 2013, 11:05 PM)
I'm also faint with OSK UOB Emerging Market Bond, I'm thinking to cut loss.

Replace another bond fund.

What do you think, pink?

Any upside potential bond to recommend?
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If you're already in, I'd suggest to stay invested. EM bond yields are reasonable for now IMHO. Past losses is past, don't think about it/let it affect your portfolio strategy.

QUOTE(Macrusin @ Nov 17 2013, 09:46 AM)
For bond fund, I don't expect high ROI.
I think 7-10% that's very good return d.
I'm thinking to dump bond, fully concentrate on equity.  flex.gif
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Unrealistic expectation. I only expect 4-6% from my bond funds. 7-10% from bond funds is a thing of the past.
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I have a question regarding sales charge. I've read the FSM information, but knowing me, I might get the wrong idea, lol.

Do help me to understand here. It says now that there are no more sales charge, but there's platform fees.
Let's say I buy 1 fund with RM10k investment. How much do I get deducted from FSM? Is it according to whatever platform fee that is tied to that particular fund as shown in the site?
If yes, anything else on top of that that will be deducted from me?

So, if the price increases by 5%...so my profit = 5%-platform fees?

What is the difference between this and buying from the bank in terms of charges? I see that most bank charges about 4-5%. So meaning my price has to increase more than 4-5% before I can make a profit, yes?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 17 2013, 07:22 PM)
I have a question regarding sales charge. I've read the FSM information, but knowing me, I might get the wrong idea, lol.

Do help me to understand here. It says now that there are no more sales charge, but there's platform fees.
Let's say I buy 1 fund with RM10k investment. How much do I get deducted from FSM? Is it according to whatever platform fee that is tied to that particular fund as shown in the site?
If yes, anything else on top of that that will be deducted from me?

So, if the price increases by 5%...so my profit = 5%-platform fees?

What is the difference between this and buying from the bank in terms of charges? I see that most bank charges about 4-5%. So meaning my price has to increase more than 4-5% before I can make a profit, yes?

Thanks!
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Have you read all the FAQs on this matter?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 08:48 PM)
Have you read all the FAQs on this matter?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467
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Yeah, I did earlier. And it seems like the fee is not high at all and I'm concerned if I've actually missed out on something.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 17 2013, 09:58 PM)
Yeah, I did earlier. And it seems like the fee is not high at all and I'm concerned if I've actually missed out on something.
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A forumer did some analysis and comparison on this matter. In long term, the platform fee will be relatively significant.

All fees will be mentioned upfront in the respective fund info page. No hidden fee or charges otherwise stated.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 10:05 PM)
A forumer did some analysis and comparison on this matter. In long term, the platform fee will be relatively significant.

All fees will be mentioned upfront in the respective fund info page. No hidden fee or charges otherwise stated.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 10:05 PM)
A forumer did some analysis and comparison on this matter. In long term, the platform fee will be relatively significant.

All fees will be mentioned upfront in the respective fund info page. No hidden fee or charges otherwise stated.
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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Yeah, I did earlier. And it seems like the fee is not high at all and I'm concerned if I've actually missed out on something.
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Best to call the FSM hotline.

It's FOC. biggrin.gif

And surprisingly, the people who answer me seems more knowledgeable that agents running outside these days.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 17 2013, 07:22 PM)
I have a question regarding sales charge. I've read the FSM information, but knowing me, I might get the wrong idea, lol.

Do help me to understand here. It says now that there are no more sales charge, but there's platform fees.
Let's say I buy 1 fund with RM10k investment. How much do I get deducted from FSM? Is it according to whatever platform fee that is tied to that particular fund as shown in the site?
If yes, anything else on top of that that will be deducted from me?

So, if the price increases by 5%...so my profit = 5%-platform fees?

What is the difference between this and buying from the bank in terms of charges? I see that most bank charges about 4-5%. So meaning my price has to increase more than 4-5% before I can make a profit, yes?

Thanks!
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Just to clarify, FSM.MY platform fees are only charged for certain bond / fixed income funds, not all funds.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467

Using your eg. assuming it's a bond fund that is charged (not all bond funds are charged platform fees):
1. U buy $10K of NAV$1
U get 10,000 units
No deduction outright
Only deducted per quarter from CMF, "best performing fixed income fund", etc
AND if U sold before the quarter - the fees will be deducted from your sales

2. Yes, if (1) went up 10% and the yearly fees is 0.2% then:
NAV $1 *110% *0.2% is chargeable per unit for the year
(er.. i'm simplifying to 0.2% per year yar, the actual is calculated & charged per quarter)

Stand to be corrected - just my understanding from the link notworthy.gif

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AmDynamic Bond was 1.5 sen per unit
AmAsia Pacific Equity Income at 5.5 sen
AmAsia Pacific REITs at 2.0 sen per unit


AmInvest Management Sdn Bhd has declared net income distributions for three of its funds, ranging from 1.5 sen to 5.5 sen per unit, for the third quarter of its financial year.

In a statement today, it said the distribution for AmDynamic Bond was 1.5 sen per unit, AmAsia Pacific Equity Income at 5.5 sen and AmAsia Pacific REITs at 2.0 sen per unit.

Read more: Income distribution for 3 AmInvest's funds http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...l#ixzz2l0Oa0jiu
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Need your guys opinion, I'm planning to invest in a Bond fund, this is my first time investing in a bond fund. I have short listed the fund: RHB Islamic Bond or AmDynamic Bond. It is a long term investment probably 5 years.
Any comments?
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hi, would like to know which fund did you guys invest with your EPF withdrawal ? which is the fund that's still worth to invest for EPF fund?
what are the FSM fund that offer overseas exposure apart from OSK Kid Save Trust, OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust , Hwang Select Opportunity, AMB dividend trust ?
anyone did fund switching for EPF fund with FSM before ?
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hi, would like to know which fund did you guys invest with your EPF withdrawal ? which is the fund that's still worth to invest for EPF fund?
what are the FSM fund that offer overseas exposure apart from OSK Kid Save Trust, OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust  , Hwang Select Opportunity, AMB dividend trust ?
anyone did fund switching for EPF fund with FSM before ?
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EPF-compliant funds with foreign exposure very limited.

Basically all the good ones u hv mentioned.

Hwang Select Balanced also got a bit foreign exposure now.
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My Hwang PRS Moderate Fund is finalized.

From the datasheet, it is investing in several Hwang funds:

Holdings as at 30 September 2013

Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 29.5%
Hwang Select Balanced Fund | 30.0%
Hwang Select Bond Fund | 39.8%

Guess I need to invest into any Hwang funds anymore. laugh.gif



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QUOTE(echoesian @ Nov 19 2013, 12:16 AM)
Need your guys opinion, I'm planning to invest in a Bond fund, this is my first time investing in a bond fund. I have short listed the fund: RHB Islamic Bond or AmDynamic Bond. It is a long term investment probably 5 years.
Any comments?
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Not advisable to start investing in bond fund now...interest rates (esp Malaysia) only has one way - UP.

Park in Cash Management Fund and/or short-dated bond funds like AmIncome Plus to protect your capital for now.

Just my 2 sen icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 09:54 AM)
Not advisable to start investing in bond fund now...interest rates (esp Malaysia) only has one way - UP.

Park in Cash Management Fund and/or short-dated bond funds like AmIncome Plus to protect your capital for now.

Just my 2 sen icon_rolleyes.gif
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How come all the fund which you recommend, I also got holding wan? We both got telephatic power ar?

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 19 2013, 09:50 AM)
My Hwang PRS Moderate Fund is finalized.

From the datasheet, it is investing in several Hwang funds:

Holdings as at 30 September 2013

Hwang Select Dividend Fund | 29.5%
Hwang Select Balanced Fund | 30.0%
Hwang Select Bond Fund | 39.8%

Guess I need to invest into any Hwang funds anymore. laugh.gif
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latest holding of Hw PRS Moderate as at 31 Oct 13
added in Hw Sel Asia Oppor
you are right...1 fund = 4 funds

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latest holding of Hw PRS Moderate as at 31 Oct 13
added in Hw Sel Asia Oppor
you are right...1 fund = 4 funds
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You also invested in this PRS fund?
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You also invested in this PRS fund?
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yes....but just for the tax relief...
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latest holding of Hw PRS Moderate as at 31 Oct 13
added in Hw Sel Asia Oppor
you are right...1 fund = 4 funds
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He he he.. buy direct kena sales charge. Buy through PRS, tak kena sales charge.

Pandai betui ogang nih!

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Next year I would like to buy Hwang PRS Growth Fund
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Next year I would like to buy Hwang PRS Growth Fund
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jfyi....Hw PRS Growth has PONZI...
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LOL ... I also have Ponzi fund in my portfolio. sweat.gif
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LOL ... I also have Ponzi fund in my portfolio. sweat.gif
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rclxms.gif i think many of us here have it too.... thumbup.gif
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But I'm not proud of it compared to others here. It's my worst performer after OSK-UOB EMB.
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But I'm not proud of it compared to others here. It's my worst performer after OSK-UOB EMB.
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hopefully it is just a hiccups for this Ponzi....
currently my 2nd last performer in portfolio
HSAQ since May till 15 Nov still - 6.46%
Hsao since Aug till 15 Nov still - 6%
hsinf since May till 15 Nov still - 7.5%

seems like HSAO & HSAQ stopped galloping since the merger with THE bank....just my take.
hopefully these 2 Giants will awaken with a vengeance...


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just lazy to ask CIS.
anyone know which fund is HEAVY on Korea?
PGSF has about 6%...any funds got more?
.....looking at the charts...it seems interesting to pay more attention to Korea?

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He he he.. buy direct kena sales charge. Buy through PRS, tak kena sales charge.

Pandai betui ogang nih!

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But got tax penalty if exit pre-55 whistling.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 19 2013, 12:01 PM)
How come all the fund which you recommend, I also got holding wan? We both got telephatic power ar?

Xuzen
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just lazy to ask CIS.
anyone know which fund is HEAVY on Korea?
PGSF has about 6%...any funds got more?
.....looking at the charts...it seems interesting to pay more attention to Korea?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=7395
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Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets
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But I'm not proud of it compared to others here. It's my worst performer after OSK-UOB EMB.
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Timing problem, it's still the best performer (XIRR-wise) in my portfolio.
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But got tax penalty if exit pre-55 whistling.gif
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Penalty = 8%; tax bracket @ 26%; note to self: loop-hole alert.... drool.gif

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post Nov 19 2013, 01:56 PM

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There's also MYR 8 annual fee if you're contributing to that particular fund under RSI.

No such fee if you do no contribute to that particular fund at all for the whole year.
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post Nov 19 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 18 2013, 01:48 PM)
Just to clarify, FSM.MY platform fees are only charged for certain bond / fixed income funds, not all funds.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467

Using your eg. assuming it's a bond fund that is charged (not all bond funds are charged platform fees):
1. U buy $10K of NAV$1
U get 10,000 units
No deduction outright
Only deducted per quarter from CMF, "best performing fixed income fund", etc
AND if U sold before the quarter - the fees will be deducted from your sales

2. Yes, if (1) went up 10% and the yearly fees is 0.2% then:
NAV $1 *110% *0.2% is chargeable per unit for the year
(er.. i'm simplifying to 0.2% per year yar, the actual is calculated & charged per quarter)

Stand to be corrected - just my understanding from the link  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 09:54 AM)
Not advisable to start investing in bond fund now...interest rates (esp Malaysia) only has one way - UP.

Park in Cash Management Fund and/or short-dated bond funds like AmIncome Plus to protect your capital for now.

Just my 2 sen icon_rolleyes.gif
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Umm, how do we know if it's a short-dated fund?
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post Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 19 2013, 02:38 PM)
Thankie thankie.
Umm, how do we know if it's a short-dated fund?
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Read the prospectus to know what is the fund's mandate.

AmIncome Plus invests in bonds that mature in <3 years if I don't remember wrongly. Interest rate movements won't hit it much.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 19 2013, 12:55 PM)
hopefully it is just a hiccups for this Ponzi....
currently my 2nd last performer in portfolio
HSAQ since May till 15 Nov still - 6.46%
Hsao since Aug till 15 Nov still - 6%
hsinf since May till 15 Nov still - 7.5%

seems like HSAO & HSAQ stopped galloping since the merger with THE bank....just my take.
hopefully these 2 Giants will awaken with a vengeance...
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Uncle Looi, have you been doing any top up after your lump-sum investment back then?

Don't top up because you noticed a mere small correction. Wait for 'real' opportunity- save ammo. My 2 cents.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 19 2013, 02:41 PM)
Uncle Looi, have you been doing any top up after your lump-sum investment back then?

Don't top up because you noticed a mere small correction. Wait for 'real' opportunity- save ammo. My 2 cents.
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thanks for the tips.
will be Topping up Public Dividend select fund with EPF....(last time tis DEC)
others are just reshaping/repositioning my portfolio to a more diversified portfolio.
moved 30% of Balance funds to China and HSAO in Aug.
till now China fund is breakeven....HSAO - 6%
would be switching out more of my Balanced funds "When" the Nav allowed (hopefully in Dec)
before the "talk on QE Taper fever starts" again. now seems like quite down...so now my balanced funds are a little bits by bits crawling up.
ammo now in FD and EPF (my wife wanted to "see" cash in hands) doh.gif


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post Nov 19 2013, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM)
Read the prospectus to know what is the fund's mandate.

AmIncome Plus invests in bonds that mature in <3 years if I don't remember wrongly. Interest rate movements won't hit it much.
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Thanks!

Sei lor, I was gonna start investing in some funds and I see that in your previous message, you don't encourage us to get into bond funds, lol...
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post Nov 19 2013, 04:59 PM

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ponzi had been subpar lately, yesterday asia market so power, but the NAV dropped.. so as HSAO ><
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 19 2013, 03:17 PM)
thanks for the tips.
will be Topping up Public Dividend select fund with EPF....(last time tis DEC)
others are just reshaping/repositioning my portfolio to a more diversified portfolio.
moved 30% of Balance funds to China and HSAO in Aug.
till now China fund is breakeven....HSAO - 6%
would be switching out more of my Balanced funds "When" the Nav allowed (hopefully in Dec)
before the "talk on QE Taper fever starts" again. now seems like quite down...so now my balanced funds are a little bits by bits crawling up.
ammo now in FD and EPF (my wife wanted to "see" cash in hands)  doh.gif
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Bad move on rebalacning on Select Asia Opportunity. I invested in July, green for a couple of weeks and been in the red zone ever since. Luckily I have some other fund which I initially wanted to dispose to cover it.

In my case, I won't be jumping in even when the QE fever is on again. I want ''solid action''. In the mean time, I'm gonna see if there's any opportunity in the stock market which I doubt so. Wait for lelong session smile.gif
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post Nov 19 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 19 2013, 04:59 PM)
ponzi had been subpar lately, yesterday asia market so power, but the NAV dropped.. so as HSAO ><
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HwangIM has been focusing on ASEAN+HK...
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post Nov 19 2013, 08:40 PM

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Balanced fund anybody?

Should I Consider Balanced Funds?

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4080
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post Nov 19 2013, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 19 2013, 04:59 PM)
ponzi had been subpar lately, yesterday asia market so power, but the NAV dropped.. so as HSAO ><
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Ya lorrrr... Attracting GEM missed it when prices RM0.24 cents.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 19 2013, 08:40 PM)
Balanced fund anybody?

Should I Consider Balanced Funds?

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4080
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I am considering Eastpring Dana Dinamik Fund. Any opinion?
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post Nov 19 2013, 10:32 PM

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i just started and bought the FSM recomended fund:

1)AmAsia Pac Equity income at RM1.1028 and again at RM1.1057
2)Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum at RM1.2539
3)Today i bought Eastspring Investment Dinasti Equity at ?RM

Hopefully it will make some money for me in few months time.

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post Nov 19 2013, 10:50 PM

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AmDynamic Bond is getting more and more... doh.gif

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 19 2013, 10:32 PM)
i just started and bought the FSM recomended fund:

1)AmAsia Pac Equity income at RM1.1028 and again at RM1.1057
2)Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum at RM1.2539
3)Today i bought Eastspring Investment Dinasti Equity at ?RM

Hopefully it will make some money for me in few months time.
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Don't be disappointed if the funds disappoint u.

U should not buy UTs with a mind to profit in a few months' time. Think years, not months.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 19 2013, 11:13 PM
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post Nov 19 2013, 11:28 PM

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I got a semi flexi housing loan with 4.2% interest rate. I'm thinking of adding more money to my account to reduce the interest, but I'm also wondering is there any better UT out there that provides more than 4.2% ?
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post Nov 20 2013, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Nov 19 2013, 11:28 PM)
I got a semi flexi housing loan with 4.2% interest rate. I'm thinking of adding more money to my account to reduce the interest, but I'm also wondering is there any better UT out there that provides more than 4.2% ?
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Similar situation - mine's 4.4%pa sad.gif
Currently haven't found any worthwhile areas of opportunity to buy in (other than quarterly programmatic value investing - think DCA die die will do wan, no IFs no Buts). Not worthwhile to pickup bonds too since the spread of 4.4%pa (cash in flexi mortgage) vs long term CAGR of bonds 5%-6%pa is not worth the risk to me.

Personally if i was FORCED to buy (eg. hit my Asset Allocation trigger to reallocate cash/bonds to equities), i'd buy into:
1. China via ETF
2. Indonesia via ETF
3. or if chicken, BRIC combo via RHB GS BRIC

Just a thought notworthy.gif

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post Nov 20 2013, 08:25 AM

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Hi all sifus,

Got a few questions. Currently, I'm looking at buying hwangIM PRS via FSM. I have no prior account at any institute or FSM.

I read the "getting started" from FSM but still a bit blur.

What I need to do?
1. Online Creating an account in FSM, free of charge, via an online form
2. Fill in the PPA form but submit to who? Pay to who? Do I need to go through FSM for this, or apply separately, then just key in the details of the PPA account into FSM system when I get it?
3. Fill in the application form from hwangIM to purchase? Or should/can I do the buying via FSM? Without needing to create an account with hwangIM directly?

Please advise.
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post Nov 20 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Nov 20 2013, 08:25 AM)
Hi all sifus,

Got a few questions. Currently, I'm looking at buying hwangIM PRS via FSM. I have no prior account at any institute or FSM.

I read the "getting started" from FSM but still a bit blur.

What I need to do?
1. Online Creating an account in FSM, free of charge, via an online form
2. Fill in the PPA form but submit to who? Pay to who? Do I need to go through FSM for this, or apply separately, then just key in the details of the PPA account into FSM system when I get it?
3. Fill in the application form from hwangIM to purchase? Or should/can I do the buying via FSM? Without needing to create an account with hwangIM directly?

Please advise.
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2. Fill in the PPA form and mail the physical form to FSM HQ. Payment made to FSM.
3. Fill the HwangIM form and also mail the original form to FSM HQ. Payment made to FSM.

You also need to mail in a copy of your NRIC (front & back).

FSM will liaise with PPA and HwangIM for account opening. Once the dust has settled, you'll see inside the FSM Online upon logging in.
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post Nov 20 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 20 2013, 09:01 AM)
2. Fill in the PPA form and mail the physical form to FSM HQ. Payment made to FSM.
3. Fill the  HwangIM form and also mail the  original form to FSM HQ. Payment made to FSM.

You also need to mail in a copy of your NRIC (front & back).

FSM will liaise with PPA and HwangIM for account opening. Once the dust has settled, you'll see inside the FSM Online upon logging in.
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post Nov 20 2013, 11:50 AM

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Wanna ask for Hwang UT holders... did you all get notice of takeover by Affin in 2014? hmm.gif

Any changes to the manager, management etc?

This post has been edited by gark: Nov 20 2013, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 11:50 AM)
Wanna ask for Hwang UT holders... did you all get notice of takeover by Affin in 2014?  hmm.gif
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Yup <raises hand>
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 11:50 AM)
Wanna ask for Hwang UT holders... did you all get notice of takeover by Affin in 2014?  hmm.gif
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Belum wor...
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2013, 11:52 AM)
Yup <raises hand>
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Any changes to UT name, strategy, manager, management etc? hmm.gif Will it continue to perform the same?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 20 2013, 11:52 AM)
Belum wor...
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Some get and some not get... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 11:54 AM)
Some get and some not get... hmm.gif
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Ppl who invest thru FSM is nominee structure, wait FSM to despatch/send to us

Ppl who invest direct to HwangIM should get it faster...wongmunkeong u invest direct?

QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 11:53 AM)
Any changes to UT name, strategy, manager, management etc?  hmm.gif Will it continue to perform the same?
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If they change, they dumb shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 20 2013, 11:56 AM)
Ppl who invest thru FSM is nominee structure, wait FSM to despatch/send to us

Ppl who invest direct to HwangIM should get it faster...wongmunkeong u invest direct?
If they change, they dumb shakehead.gif
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
my bad - when i dug for the email to screenshot & share here...
er.. RHB - OSK thing.. mixed up with the next email there from Affin (i've a stock account with Affin tongue.gif)

A thousand apologies notworthy.gif <getting old & nyanuk - like Mr. Nobody, everything mishmashed>
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2013, 12:03 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
my bad - when i dug for the email to screenshot & share here...
er.. RHB - OSK thing.. mixed up with the next email there from Affin (i've a stock account with Affin tongue.gif)

A thousand apologies notworthy.gif <getting old & nyanuk - like Mr. Nobody, everything mishmashed>
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So that means no UT holder got the hwang-affin letter yet... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 11:53 AM)
Any changes to UT name, strategy, manager, management etc?  hmm.gif Will it continue to perform the same?
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I doubt there will be a change in fund manager.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 20 2013, 12:47 PM)
I doubt there will be a change in fund manager.
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You never know.. what if fund manager dont like to work at affin or affin have thier own star manager... usually in merger, end up a lot of positions cut...or people leave because unhappy.
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Anybody noticed that China fund has recovered slightly?

OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund | 4.8% (1-month). Its current NAV is above its IPO - 0.5394 as of November 18, 2013

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 12:51 PM)
You never know.. what if fund manager dont like to work at affin or affin have thier own star manager... usually in merger, end up a lot of positions cut...or people leave because unhappy.
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Yes, just like many EON Bank ppl left when it took over by HLB.

But Affin fund management as far as I know is not that great.

HwangIM got its stars.

It'd be stupid for Affin to alienate HwangIM's fund managers.
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 20 2013, 12:51 PM)
You never know.. what if fund manager dont like to work at affin or affin have thier own star manager... usually in merger, end up a lot of positions cut...or people leave because unhappy.
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In terms of funds, I believe that Hwang has better managers managing it. Do you think they would be let go?
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Sensible to enter Indonesia fund now?
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QUOTE(wilson88 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:59 PM)
Sensible to enter Indonesia fund now?
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Haha! I'm actually thinking of doing a switch from HSAO to PGSF, which has no exposure in Indonesia and Philipines.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 20 2013, 11:04 PM)
Haha! I'm actually thinking of doing a switch from HSAO to PGSF, which has no exposure in Indonesia and Philipines.
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QUOTE(wilson88 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:59 PM)
Sensible to enter Indonesia fund now?
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do you trust IFAST?
Monthly Global Market Update November 2013 November 13, 2013 Author : iFAST Research Team

page 10 (Indonesia)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=7374

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When PGSF was below water, you guys are complaining. doh.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 20 2013, 11:10 PM)
When PGSF was below water, you guys are complaining. doh.gif
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guess now we start to complain about HSAQ and HSAO.... vmad.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 20 2013, 11:10 PM)
When PGSF was below water, you guys are complaining. doh.gif
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Repeat a lot of times already tongue.gif
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post Nov 20 2013, 11:22 PM

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PSGF fund factsheet is still dated September 2013 even at PM website.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 20 2013, 11:14 PM)
guess now we start to complain about HSAQ and HSAO.... vmad.gif
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HSAO only. HSAQ still okay- still net gain for those that invest pre-boom period smile.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 20 2013, 11:22 PM)
PSGF fund factsheet is still dated September 2013 even at PM website.
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No use also. The most important regional exposure is not included in the fact sheet. Maybe can suggest them to include them in through FSM? smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 20 2013, 11:24 PM)
No use also. The most important regional exposure is not included in the fact sheet. Maybe can suggest them to include them in through FSM? smile.gif
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It will show country allocation inside fact sheet right?
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It will show country allocation inside fact sheet right?
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Nope, it doesn't. It's the fund (or one of the funds) that does not show geographical allocation in the fund sheet. Only latest available information is from annual report.

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No use also. The most important regional exposure is not included in the fact sheet. Maybe can suggest them to include them in through FSM? smile.gif
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I already suggested to FSM, but PM still won't care grumble.gif
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House panel to investigate unemployment data
By Annalyn Kurtz @AnnalynKurtz November 19, 2013: 9:50 PM ET
Did Census Bureau employees fabricate data used in calculating the nation's unemployment rate? A House panel, led by Republicans, has opened an investigation.
"The implications of an unreliable unemployment figure are serious and far-reaching," reads the congressmen's letter. "The national unemployment rate affects everything from legislation on Capitol Hill, to Federal Reserve policy, to stock prices on Wall Street." sweat.gif doh.gif
http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/19/news/econo...html?hpt=hp_bn1
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 20 2013, 11:31 PM)
I already suggested to FSM, but PM still won't care grumble.gif
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Gold member not power enough? Need call platinum member like uncle gark etc smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 20 2013, 11:35 PM)
Gold member not power enough? Need call platinum member like uncle gark etc smile.gif
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I invest direct into indonesia stocks... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 21 2013, 09:57 AM)
I invest direct into indonesia stocks...  whistling.gif
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Ada huat?

KLSE hard to pick good big/mid name stocks with decent yields oredy doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2013, 06:02 PM)
Ada huat?

KLSE hard to pick good big/mid name stocks with decent yields oredy doh.gif
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ada ada.. today just picked up SMGR... tongue.gif
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Hmm just noticed my China UT is doing very well lately.... hmm hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 21 2013, 06:02 PM)
Ada huat?

KLSE hard to pick good big/mid name stocks with decent yields oredy doh.gif
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Got Maybank, Parkson. All well above 4%. Can scoop some DiGi soon biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 21 2013, 06:12 PM)
Hmm just noticed my China UT is doing very well lately.... hmm  hmm.gif
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That explains why PGSF is performing well too. Darn, should switch out Select Asia Opportunity to PFSF earlier.

No more complains on people complaining PGSF earlier for not performing please tongue.gif
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Didn't I say yesterday that OSK-UOB BIG CAP CHINA ENTERPRISE FUND has recovered and NAV above IPO now! doh.gif
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Still, anyone care to explain how come both funds invest most in China/HK large cap, but HSAO is sliding but PGSF is not?
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 21 2013, 06:55 PM)
Still, anyone care to explain how come both funds invest most in China/HK large cap, but HSAO is sliding but PGSF is not?
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How sure are you that PGSF is still heavy at China/HK and/or ASEAN or even Asia ex Japan since the latest data sheet is dated September 30th, 2013? In that report, they said they have reduced exposure in Northern Asian region.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 21 2013, 07:10 PM)
How sure are you that PGSF is still heavy at China/HK and/or ASEAN or even Asia ex Japan since the latest data sheet is dated September 30th, 2013? In that report, they said they have reduced exposure in Northern Asian region.
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Still, anyone care to explain how come both funds invest most in China/HK large cap, but HSAO is sliding but PGSF is not?
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Don't forget, HSAO got significant exposure to the recently weak Thai and Indon markets...
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aiyoyo.. us treasurt 10year yield already 2.78. selling amdynamic ka?
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aiyoyo.. us treasurt 10year yield already 2.78. selling amdynamic ka?
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aiyoyo.. us treasurt 10year yield already 2.78. selling amdynamic ka?
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Guys...how many equity funds do you have at any one time? I suppose 4-5 is the max?

And are you driven by emotions/logic when you feel it's time to sell. For eg., it depends on the duration that you have been keeping the fund, the performance of it the past few months, or simply cuz you know that it's gonna tank soon. Some people will hold till yearssss, and some many few months then cabut regardless of situation. What say you?
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Guys...how many equity funds do you have at any one time? I suppose 4-5 is the max?

And are you driven by emotions/logic when you feel it's time to sell. For eg., it depends on the duration that you have been keeping the fund, the performance of it the past few months, or simply cuz you know that it's gonna tank soon. Some people will hold till yearssss, and some many few months then cabut regardless of situation. What say you?
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Excluding PRS. I have 8 funds on-hand. Excluding sentimental PM funds, I have 6.

When fund is not performed as per your expectation, emotion drive will sure happen unless you want to let it auto-pilot.
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When fund is not performed as per your expectation, emotion drive will sure happen unless you want to let it auto-pilot.
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I learnt this lesson and went thru this with Pacific Global Stars, happy that I persevered and kept faith biggrin.gif

Funds that I gave up after prolonged underperformance:
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 22 2013, 09:35 PM)
I learnt this lesson and went thru this with Pacific Global Stars, happy that I persevered and kept faith biggrin.gif

Funds that I gave up after prolonged underperformance:
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Not OSK-UOB EMB? You're still holding this right?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 22 2013, 09:35 PM)
I learnt this lesson and went thru this with Pacific Global Stars, happy that I persevered and kept faith biggrin.gif

Funds that I gave up after prolonged underperformance:
Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah
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Soon add HSAO into the list huh? Haha!

I think I'll leave mine just where it is. Did think of switching out. Later like PGSF performance pattern, and Hwang fund will always fly smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 22 2013, 11:56 PM)
Soon add HSAO into the list huh? Haha!

I think I'll leave mine just where it is. Did think of switching out. Later like PGSF performance pattern, and Hwang fund will always fly smile.gif
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HSAQ keep droping bit by bit... No more topup keep watching only
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Pacific Global Star up September semi report is out today.

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HSAQ keep droping bit by bit... No more topup keep watching only
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DJ and S&P keep closing higher day after day. Wait for it, ASIA will turn over soon.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 21 2013, 07:10 PM)
How sure are you that PGSF is still heavy at China/HK and/or ASEAN or even Asia ex Japan since the latest data sheet is dated September 30th, 2013? In that report, they said they have reduced exposure in Northern Asian region.
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From PGSF September report, the top 3 region comprise of Hong Kong, US follow by Singapore.
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DJ and S&P keep closing higher day after day. Wait for it, ASIA will turn over soon.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 23 2013, 11:28 AM)
Pacific Global Star up September semi report is out today.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 22 2013, 09:45 PM)
Not OSK-UOB EMB? You're still holding this right?
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will turn over soon? mean will bloody red? haha
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Yes, updated my portfolio regional % with it, and US allocation went up. biggrin.gif
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From PGSF September report, the top 3 region comprise of Hong Kong, US follow by Singapore.
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Guys, I'm new here so need your help on this question that bothers me quite some time.

Usually how many percentage of your income will be in your unit trust investment a year??


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anyone use morningstar rating as their guideline,
this is link for PGSF
http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P00008MGQ
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QUOTE(Kinggnik87 @ Nov 23 2013, 04:02 PM)
Guys, I'm new here so need your help on this question that bothers me quite some time.

Usually how many percentage of your income will be in your unit trust investment a year??
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No specific right answer and very subjective since it depends on your affordability.
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Where's the link? From FSM?
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Yeah. You can check it in FSM.
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But September is a little bit outdated right? I was hoping to get the October report. laugh.gif
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Thanks, David.

I guess the younger an investor, the more risk/investment they should take.
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Thanks, David.

I guess the younger an investor, the more risk/investment they should take.
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Well, that supposed to be true but emotion will play another part when fund is not performing unless you let it auto-pilot itself.
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I see. I usually let it auto-pilot, but recently read about rebalancing.
It's a harder art to master.
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Saturday also switch on computer to update? So hardcore. Or working half day smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kinggnik87 @ Nov 23 2013, 04:02 PM)
Guys, I'm new here so need your help on this question that bothers me quite some time.

Usually how many percentage of your income will be in your unit trust investment a year??
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No hard and fast rule here.

Ppl with more disposable income will afford to invest more, and vice versa,

If u INSIST on a hard and fast rule, here goes:

Match your EPF contribution every month, i.e. 23% of your GROSS INCOME biggrin.gif
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But September is a little bit outdated right? I was hoping to get the October report. laugh.gif
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Hello...annual report will have to be audited...to be able to come out 2 months after year-end is already quite fast. shakehead.gif

Btw, OSK-UOB funds still have Sep-13 fact sheets only...October fact sheets many also haven't publish.
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Hello...annual report will have to be audited...to be able to come out 2 months after year-end is already quite fast. shakehead.gif

Btw, OSK-UOB funds still have Sep-13 fact sheets only...October fact sheets many also haven't publish.
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I'm aware of annual report needs to be audited.

But I'm referring monthly report if there's any. This kind of report also needs to be audited too?

Sorry brother, I'm not from this industry. Pardon for my ignorance.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 23 2013, 04:54 PM)
I'm aware of annual report needs to be audited.

But I'm referring monthly report if there's any. This kind of report also needs to be audited too?

Sorry brother, I'm not from this industry. Pardon for my ignorance.
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Fact sheets are not audited. From my experience they (fund houses) typically publish it near the end of the subsequent month.

Audited accounts can take UP TO 6 MONTHS to be finalised u know sweat.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 23 2013, 04:58 PM)
Fact sheets are not audited. From my experience they (fund houses) typically publish it near the end of the subsequent month.

Audited accounts can take UP TO 6 MONTHS to be finalised u know sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Eh, don't compare fund management companies/normal companies with funds. Funds don't need such a long period.

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Yes, I've no social life tongue.gif

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When the sun sets, that's when u have life right? tongue.gif
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Yes, Everton vs Liverpool tonight flex.gif
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AmDynamic Bond is getting more and more... doh.gif
Don't be disappointed if the funds disappoint u.

U should not buy UTs with a mind to profit in a few months' time. Think years, not months.
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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RM 1115 of loss! You invested a large amount?
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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RM is meaningless...what about %?
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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If rm1115 = 5% lost, i assume you invested rm20,000? seems like you didnt diversify your funds?

see long term ma.. if you still got funds then put in smmore, lower down the average cost rclxms.gif
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If rm1115 = 5% lost, i assume you invested rm20,000? seems like you didnt diversify your funds?

see long term ma.. if you still got funds then put in smmore, lower down the average cost  rclxms.gif
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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Try seeing this loss as an opportunity. tongue.gif
Optimism goes a long way, friend.

If you see this as a long term investment, you should listen to pisces88's advise too by reinvesting in this funds. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Kinggnik87 @ Nov 25 2013, 12:25 PM)
Try seeing this loss as an opportunity. tongue.gif
Optimism goes a long way, friend.

If you see this as a long term investment, you should listen to pisces88's advise too by reinvesting in this funds. wink.gif
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Well, true. But scare some people might misinterpret what you said and just keep topping up when performance down, down, and continue down. One must still evaluate the condition and top up accordingly. Just a small lump, don't need to top up lar smile.gif
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 22 2013, 04:41 PM)
Guys...how many equity funds do you have at any one time? I suppose 4-5 is the max?

And are you driven by emotions/logic when you feel it's time to sell. For eg., it depends on the duration that you have been keeping the fund, the performance of it the past few months, or simply cuz you know that it's gonna tank soon. Some people will hold till yearssss, and some many few months then cabut regardless of situation. What say you?
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You're talking about equity only right. I have 8 in Public Mutual, 7 in my FSM account and 6 in my wife FSM account. In progress to consolidate down to 5 each for FSM accounts.
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I correct my sentence, If you believe your investment is full of long term potential, then it's wise to stick with it and reinvesting it.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 22 2013, 06:48 PM)
Excluding PRS. I have 8 funds on-hand. Excluding sentimental PM funds, I have 6.

When fund is not performed as per your expectation, emotion drive will sure happen unless you want to let it auto-pilot.
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Hehe, sentimental funds meaning hard to sell eventhough performing bad or good tongue.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 22 2013, 09:35 PM)
I learnt this lesson and went thru this with Pacific Global Stars, happy that I persevered and kept faith biggrin.gif

Funds that I gave up after prolonged underperformance:
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I think my threshold for funds would be to keep them for 6months to a year, depending...hard to say since it's performance-driven. When it goes up, you still wanna keep hoping it will keep rising. But if it goes down, you keep hoping it will rise again. Have to beat this mentality if wanna invest wisely, yes?

I'm not the sort that's into invest for a long period. I hope I can persevere with those I have in hand.

Pink Spider, you mentioned before about DCA. So it's just like topping up when prices seem low enough (and looking good to rise again) so that the price will be favourable over a period of time, is this correct?
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I think my threshold for funds would be to keep them for 6months to a year, depending...hard to say since it's performance-driven. When it goes up, you still wanna keep hoping it will keep rising. But if it goes down, you keep hoping it will rise again. Have to beat this mentality if wanna invest wisely, yes?

I'm not the sort that's into invest for a long period. I hope I can persevere with those I have in hand.

Pink Spider, you mentioned before about DCA. So it's just like topping up when prices seem low enough (and looking good to rise again) so that the price will be favourable over a period of time, is this correct?
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IMHO 6 months is too short.

Imagine u bought a fund during the slump of 2008-2009, and u dumped after a few months. Fastforward to 2013...you'd be cursing yourself.

Investing is for long-term, think at least 3 years and above.

DCA is about topping up FIXED AMOUNT on a regular interval regardless of what's happening.

I do VCA + monitor market, i.e. if market goes up strongly, I'd do nothong. If market crashes, I'd top up enough to keep my %s intact e.g. fund A from 20% of my portfolio dropped to 18%, I top up to make it become 20% again.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 02:29 PM)
IMHO 6 months is too short.

Imagine u bought a fund during the slump of 2008-2009, and u dumped after a few months. Fastforward to 2013...you'd be cursing yourself.

Investing is for long-term, think at least 3 years and above.

DCA is about topping up FIXED AMOUNT on a regular interval regardless of what's happening.

I do VCA + monitor market, i.e. if market goes up strongly, I'd do nothong. If market crashes, I'd top up enough to keep my %s intact e.g. fund A from 20% of my portfolio dropped to 18%, I top up to make it become 20% again.
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3 years...I guess if the returns are a lot better than FD, then it would be encouraging to keep them longer, hehe nod.gif

Thanks for the clarification on the DCA and VCA...yes, you're right, one is fixed amount and another is not. How confident are you when you do the top up when market's down...like, you must really know what you're doing if you choose to keep buying eventhough it's down...yes?
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3 years...I guess if the returns are a lot better than FD, then it would be encouraging to keep them longer, hehe  nod.gif

Thanks for the clarification on the DCA and VCA...yes, you're right, one is fixed amount and another is not. How confident are you when you do the top up when market's down...like, you must really know what you're doing if you choose to keep buying eventhough it's down...yes?
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U cannot compare strictly to FD...FD is fixed...straight line...

But UT can be like...u loss money for 1 year...then nothing for 2nd year...then 3rd year fly up recouped all yr losses plus made profit
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 02:38 PM)
U cannot compare strictly to FD...FD is fixed...straight line...

But UT can be like...u loss money for 1 year...then nothing for 2nd year...then 3rd year fly up recouped all yr losses plus made profit
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I understand...a bit jittery cuz this is my first venture into UT.
Wanted to try with that HSAO that you guys mentioned before, but lately I see that everyone's going away from it sweat.gif So have to find other choices.
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Yeah, -5% is nothing, my portfolio once saw -25% tongue.gif
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I understand...a bit jittery cuz this is my first venture into UT.
Wanted to try with that HSAO that you guys mentioned before, but lately I see that everyone's going away from it sweat.gif So have to find other choices.
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Pick a Asia ex-Japan fund, a (or maybe 2?) global fund, a Asia ex-Japan small-mid cap fund, and possibly an Emerging Markets fund.
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The 'real' test will come to see if you dare to top up at -70%... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 02:38 PM)
U cannot compare strictly to FD...FD is fixed...straight line...

But UT can be like...u loss money for 1 year...then nothing for 2nd year...then 3rd year fly up recouped all yr losses plus made profit
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*cough* PGSF *cough* whistling.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 25 2013, 04:56 PM)
*cough* PGSF *cough*  whistling.gif
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Also...Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets...u dunno how long I've been sitting in the red with this one...then suddenly shoot up, annualised returns of 8% p.a. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:03 PM)
Also...Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets...u dunno how long I've been sitting in the red with this one...then suddenly shoot up, annualised returns of 8% p.a. rclxms.gif
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Later you know it drop back again. EI GEM roller coaster laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 25 2013, 05:05 PM)
Later you know it drop back again. EI GEM roller coaster  laugh.gif
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jfi, the CIS recommended me to shift to this about 10% of the $$ when the opportunity comes
sweat.gif no? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 25 2013, 05:12 PM)
jfi, the CIS recommended me to shift to this about 10% of the $$ when the opportunity comes
sweat.gif no?  sweat.gif
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GEM fund is China and Korea heavy...just follow Shanghai and KOSPI indices for guide on when to go in rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 25 2013, 05:05 PM)
Later you know it drop back again. EI GEM roller coaster  laugh.gif
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Oi...that's 35% of my equity allocation, 21% of my overall portfolio neh sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 25 2013, 04:56 PM)
*cough* PGSF *cough*  whistling.gif
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Ya ya, I keep hearing you guys mentioning this too.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:03 PM)
Also...Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets...u dunno how long I've been sitting in the red with this one...then suddenly shoot up, annualised returns of 8% p.a. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:48 PM)
Oi...that's 35% of my equity allocation, 21% of my overall portfolio neh sweat.gif
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35% allocation, that's considered quite high. So confident happy.gif
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 25 2013, 05:51 PM)
Ya ya, I keep hearing you guys mentioning this too.
35% allocation, that's considered quite high. So confident happy.gif
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No risk, no gain.

35% on Emerging Markets
30% + 15% on 2 different global funds (yes, PGSF is one of them, the big one is OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield)
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:53 PM)
No risk, no gain.

35% on Emerging Markets
30% + 15% on 2 different global funds (yes, PGSF is one of them, the big one is OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield)
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Similar with mine,
25% of total equity on EIGEM
15% + 12% with PGSF and AGEF
back up with Aberdeen Global Opportunities


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:48 PM)
Oi...that's 35% of my equity allocation, 21% of my overall portfolio neh sweat.gif
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Can sleep means no problem lar whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:44 PM)
GEM fund is China and Korea heavy...just follow Shanghai and KOSPI indices for guide on when to go in rolleyes.gif
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hmm.gif currently now have 8% in China,
if i "hope" to go in with GEM when Shanghai drop then my current china also drop...no-no. rclxub.gif
intent to go in when / if my Balanced fund break even or + 2%...now is - 1.3%...hopefully this will happens "before" the QE taper talk starts again.
in May when the QE talks is hot...Balanced/bond funds kena teruk...now seems like all is forgotten....
hopefully when the QE starts, US won't burst! (seems possible for some pull back in indexes...broke many records already) sweat.gif sweat.gif
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I just realized what is PGSF. biggrin.gif

It made up around 10% of my portfolio. I nearly 'threw' the fund away when it performed very weak few months ago.

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QUOTE(Kinggnik87 @ Nov 25 2013, 09:54 PM)
I just realized what is PGSF.    biggrin.gif

It made up around 10% of my portfolio. I nearly 'threw' the fund away when it performed very weak few months ago.
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Same goes to a few of us here.

Later David see this, he will lecture you tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 26 2013, 09:37 AM)
Same goes to a few of us here.

Later David see this, he will lecture you  tongue.gif
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Don't worry. I won't be keep on reminding that. Glad that you guys have decent return out of it.

I hope HQAF will be making a turning point too!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
Don't worry. I won't be keep on reminding that. Glad that you guys have decent return out of it.

I hope HQAF will be making a turning point too!
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I need Hwang Select Asia Opportunity to move first...Quantum STILL doing ok (for me) doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 26 2013, 09:55 AM)
I need Hwang Select Asia Opportunity to move first...Quantum STILL doing ok (for me) doh.gif
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Just sell off Select Asia Opportunity. Not much different between HSAO and PGSF. Can switch out and top up HSAQ and PGSF nod.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
Don't worry. I won't be keep on reminding that. Glad that you guys have decent return out of it.

I hope HQAF will be making a turning point too!
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I remember it is around -6% for you right? Have you been topping up?
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so fast no confident with HSAO.. i hope it u turn also ><
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 26 2013, 11:17 AM)
Just sell off Select Asia Opportunity. Not much different between HSAO and PGSF. Can switch out and top up HSAQ and PGSF  nod.gif
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If switch to Quantum, it'd be bloated and become too big % of my portfolio sweat.gif

Not really lar...Asia ex-Japan (esp HK and SG) large caps Quantum doesn't/can't buy...only HSAO can buy. Keep lar for now

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