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guy3288
post Nov 19 2013, 10:32 PM

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i just started and bought the FSM recomended fund:

1)AmAsia Pac Equity income at RM1.1028 and again at RM1.1057
2)Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum at RM1.2539
3)Today i bought Eastspring Investment Dinasti Equity at ?RM

Hopefully it will make some money for me in few months time.

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post Nov 24 2013, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 10:50 PM)
AmDynamic Bond is getting more and more... doh.gif
Don't be disappointed if the funds disappoint u.

U should not buy UTs with a mind to profit in a few months' time. Think years, not months.
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really bad timing i went in trying to benefit from my 30days 1% special fee.......As at today my portfolio showed a total loss of RM1115!! so damn fast dropping like that..........
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post Dec 3 2013, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 2 2013, 11:00 PM)
Article on Ponzi fund:


FSM Fund Choice: Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund [Dec 2013]


1. When it comes to investing in small cap equities, we always believe that active management can create alpha to the investors
2. The recent market turbulence in Southeast Asia region has raised the question whether the price correction is overdone especially in small cap equities.
3. The small cap equities listed in this emerging Asia are often overlooked by institutional investors and stock analysts, resulting greater potential for valuation mismatch
4. To cushion the downside volatility, raising cash allocation is a favourite strategy of the fund manager.
5. Over the past 5 years, the fund registered 27.7% p.a. returns, markedly outpacing the benchmark of 21.4% p.a. It translates to an outperformance of 12.0% p.a.
6. To those investors who share our long term view, Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund would be an ideal candidate to gain access to the Southeast Asia small to mid-cap equities

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=4117
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that means if i have the HWang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum and now the price is lower than my cost, i must now buy more into it ?? Thanks for your opinion.
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post Dec 4 2013, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 4 2013, 05:01 PM)
hmm.gif 
NAV Price is high....not relevant
NAV Price is low...not relevant
give Dividend...not relevant
no give Dividend...not relevant.

come to think of it..what is relevant then?  rclxub.gif
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i agree with you, then nothing is relevant........

Eg. Pinkspider bought it few months ago at RM0.55 and the price keep dropping not due to dividend issuing etc, now others buy it at RM0.45.

The people who buy it now are in a better position.

How can we say buy at any price also never mind as long as you believe it is a good fund? This only applies if the price is always on uptrend and never come down at all , or you dont intend to redeem at all even decades later , why buy then? to get dividend? Then must check how is the fund giving out dividend, if the price keep dropping i am afraid dividend also will be meaningless.

I am new, just bought some of the Hwang opportunity and Quantum now, since their prices are not the highest in history. Buy , take the risk of course, but i also wish to buy it cheaper. I wont say never care about what price, just hentam and buy. lower fee good, lower price better still.


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post Dec 4 2013, 10:25 PM

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I just read the first page as pointed out by pink spider. That seems rather academic, not much value in practice.

To me , what's important is the practical aspects.

I say the price is important. Dividend too.

Because end of the day, when we cash out, it is the dividend collected and the proceeds that we get that counts.

For the same UT, say Pink Spider bought at RM0.55 and i bought it at RM0.45, i say yes i got it cheaper! Pink spider is pissed off with this "cheaper" remark.

Why is price important?? Becos at RM0.55 for RM100k, PS only got 181,818 units, whereas at the cheaper price of RM0.45 i got 222,222 units.

End of the day when you redeem it is the number of units that you have and again the PRICE that you sell plus the dividend that you have got, that add up to your proceed.






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post Dec 5 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 5 2013, 08:21 AM)
Dividends / "distributions"
er.. may i suggest to U to digest the "distribution" (not dividends) portion again on page 1.
From your writings above, it shows that the concept of distribution and its impact (pros/cons) on a mutual fund has not been grasped fully yet.

As for NAV or price:
U do know the underlying assets of a mutual fund makes up its NAV right?
with that concept, then further it as:
a. Fund A vs Fund B
b. both funds have different stocks and if share similarly held stocks, different amount or %
c. given (b.) how is one to compare NAV /price by itself and say one is cheaper than the other?

I've been where U are before - there are more things to absorb and use as we do & ponder.
Some things which was thought to be too theoretical / un-actionable earlier, will dawn on us why and how later tongue.gif
Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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i think i get what you guys mean.
Between 2 different funds, we definitely can't say one is cheaper than another, yes i agree .
Distribution or split makes it cheaper - yes i agree too, but you know that is not what i was referring to.


What i was referring to in on one same UT itself and referring to the 'normal' price fluctuations unrelated to any significant underlying changes within the fund itself.

Example:
After you guys experts have chosen that fund to invest and you guys bought it at price say RM1.2876, and when the price goes down to RM1.2545, isn't this considered "cheaper" and i take it as good deal to grab now?

I mean this: Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum fund was 1.2876 on Oct 21 and now it is 1.2545.
Is this not cheaper ?

Thanks for all the comments, i know you guys are trying to help, dont take this as challenging your authority........., i can see you are all investment experts, very well read.

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post Dec 5 2013, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2013, 01:16 PM)
if without taking "dividend" issue.....yes, i think i get what you mean by "Cheaper". At times i am also looking at this to make the "go in now" decision.
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Yeah that is what i mean.

Cheaper price already qualified as UNRELATED to any significant underlying changes (eg dividend pay out, distribution, split...)within the fund itself.

Pink Spider should answer on specific example given there, rather than say go digest this and that.

The question is specific. Cheaper or not?

Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum fund is the specific example i used. It was RM1.2876 on Oct 21 and now I bought it at RM1.2545.

I take it that this is cheaper and now a better buy.

Pink Spider is telling us, NO, the lower price is not actually cheaper, it is meaningless? That means buying it 1 month ago at RM1.2876 is just the same like buying it now at RM1.2545??. Is this correct?



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post Dec 5 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 4 2013, 11:28 PM)
Pop quiz time:

Let's just say a fund price is RM1.00 today. Tomorrow it issue a unit split of 1:1 and the price drops to RM 0.50. Is it bargain time? Want to show hand into it?

Xuzen
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A bought it at RM1.00 and got 1000 units. After split he got double , 1000 units become 2000 units.

Now the price drop to Rm0.50, using the same amount of money to buy, i got 2000 units, just the same as A.

Cheaper so what? any extra units you get?
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post Dec 5 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2013, 01:56 PM)
I REPEAT AGAIN

A fund is a fund, it holds many different stocks. E.g. today the fund have Maybank, CIMB, Nestle and Digi. NAV price of the fund is RM1.0000.

Next month, it has Maybank, CIMB, Dutch Lady and Maxis. NAV price of the fund is RM0.9000.

Can u say it is "cheap" to top up now? Yes and no, A LOT OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER.

The fund could have dumped Nestle at a (huge) loss, and bought Dutch Lady when it is trading quite high. So, IT IS NOT CHEAP TO TOP UP NOW.

SUMMARY - NAV PRICE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE UNDERLYING HOLDINGS

NAV price behaves very differently to price of a stock of a listed company.
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your point is well taken. So you are telling me when the price drops it ?MUST be something significant happening inside . No such thing as 'normal fluctuation'?

What I am asking is:
WHAT IF nothing significant happened and the price drops? like in Hwang Select Quantum Fund when it drops from RM1.2876 to RM1.2545? This is also NOT Cheaper and NOT a better buy?
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post Dec 5 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 5 2013, 01:58 PM)
1,000 pieces of RM1 note
2,000 50 sen coins

Got difference?

That's unit trust for u.
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Gosh, u cant appreciate that was a sarcastic reply to Xuzen who thinks we know nothing about split and price drop.
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post Dec 11 2013, 10:53 PM

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Wah me suffer heavy losses in HWang Select Asia ex jap quantum fund, lost RM1300+ just like that.......why the price dropped so much one day?
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post Dec 11 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Dec 11 2013, 11:18 PM)
Wahhh... mine also suffer, almost no profit already... coz by distribution tongue.gif

Better check FSM website 1st next time regarding any recent distribution before pop ur question here

Chill, bro! notworthy.gif
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Oh i see, no wonder la i see heavy losses when i checked my FSM account, it dropped from RM1.2462 to RM1.1948 , that's too big a drop if not for dividend/distribution.........

I thought, with dividend i should see extra units in my Quantum fund.......but not there
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post Dec 11 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 11 2013, 11:52 PM)
it would be displayed after a few weeks.
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ok thanks, but where to check for such distribution notice in FSM? I could not find it there, even after i opened the Quantum fund fact sheets, annual report etc.

Guess the info is not there yet?
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post Dec 12 2013, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 11 2013, 11:59 PM)
thanks, gosh i was clicking every where except "Home", this front page is new to me, everytime i login, i never click on home to see what is there..........
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post Dec 16 2013, 11:31 PM

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This morning i saw a sudden increase in my losses to RM3+k , checked the distribution, found is due to distribution in Am Asia Pac Eq fund.

Then just now, I saw the loss has reduced, extra units of AmAsia Pac eq fund units already credited in.

How come this AmAsia so efficient so fast compared to Hwang Quantum in crediting distribution units...........


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post Dec 17 2013, 02:07 PM

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why my FSM page has become Singapore FSM?
And worse, i just cant open the Malaysia FSM page even from search, like this link www.fundsupermart.com.my/

it still goes to Singapore page! Anybody knows how to get to my homepage FSM malaysia?
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post Dec 17 2013, 09:05 PM

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Now it is back to normal. We did not click the wrong link. May be the FSM Mal site was gila gila at times................went connecting to Singapore when it is gila.

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post Dec 17 2013, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 17 2013, 09:02 PM)
hmm.gif if it happens again,
try clicking at the "drop down arrow" beside the "FSM SINGAPORE" word located at the top right corner of the website.
the drop down would display "Fundsupermart Global"
then click at "FSM MALAYSIA"
I think this may help.
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Oh i did that. It is only natural when we see singapore, we want to change back to malaysia. But you just keep finding yourself opening the singapore page, despite you click on malaysia. But when you click India, it goes there as indicated

I just couldnt believe it this afternoon, even clicking on this : www.fundsupermart.com.my/ ----------> I still ended up opening that singapore FSM.

Next if it happens again i will use the so called totally different link posted by PS.
You have to experience it yourself to know what i mean..............

This post has been edited by guy3288: Dec 17 2013, 09:15 PM
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:36 PM

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Dont know why is the swing so huge these few days,

I remember checking my investment value it showed profit (+ RM1343) on 3.1.2014 , but today 8.1.2014 so fast it has lost so much! (- RM1202 )

Reading form this forumn I bought:

Am Asia Pac Eq ---------->from -RM169 to -RM1176
Eastspring Invest Dinasti--> from +RM1522 to +RM378
HWang Select Asia Ex Jap opportunity-> From -RM80 to -RM229
Hwang Select Asia Ex Jap Quantum-->From -RM172 to -RM288
Pacific Global stars --------------------->From +RM243 to +RM123.

Why Am Asia Pac Eq and Eastspring invest Dinasti dropped so much?
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post Jan 8 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 8 2014, 10:29 PM)

my choice...for 1 or 2 funds of the above....AmAsia Pac & Aberdeen Islamic world.... brows.gif  tongue.gif
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That means Am Asia pac Eq fund is quite a good bargain now. Plan to sell my PM funds and buy this at 0% fees......

Will check out on Aberdeen Islamic world, thanks.

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