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post Nov 11 2013, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
hmm.gif just a note: a forummer once suggested FD as a better choice for bond
considering the maybe 1% or 2% variance with much less risk....
oooh unless you go for RHB islamic or RHB bond..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Yeah, I wonder the same thing sometimes because when I look at bonds' returns, it seems like most of them have quite low %...some are even lower than usual FD rates. I wonder if it even makes sense to buy bonds because of the same reasons above too.
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post Nov 11 2013, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 11 2013, 10:43 PM)
Assuming it's 1 month FD. 3% per annum. 0.25% per month.

Which bond fund are you looking at? Bond funds' performance are generally sliding now.
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Yeah, but I was looking at the annual % return of bonds, not monthly...none in general as I was browsing a number of them, sorry for the lack of specific names. I'll try to add on if I go through them again.
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post Nov 12 2013, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 11 2013, 11:08 PM)
Your question is too general.

Let's take a general bond fund from award winning AmInvestment AmBond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.4%, 2 years is 2.8% p.a and 3 years is 3.7%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMBOND

If you take another award winning bond fund from AmInvestment AmDynamic Bond fund:

The annualized return for 1 year is 1.6%, 2 years is 5.0% p.a and 3 years is 6.4%

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...number=MYAMDNMB

The difference between them is risk rating and fund objective.

Thus the conclusion, the general return for a typical bond is roughly 5% to 8% which is usually outpaced 12-month FD.
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So if I were to take the example in blue, then it means the bond is so-called on par with FD rates only at the 3rd year, yea? Quite a slow return if we were to pick the wrong fund, huh =/
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post Nov 12 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2013, 06:54 AM)
As I said different bond fund has different investment mandate. AmBond fund is a short tenure bond fund that has a low risk; therefore its return will either match or slightly outpace FD.
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Thanks, David83 smile.gif

What do you all think about OSK-UOB US Focus Equity, OSK-UOB Global Allocation and CIMB Principal Global Titans funds?
They are all in different sectors and have different focuses (do correct me if I'm wrong), and they are all showing relatively healthy signs. I tried to search in this thread, but no results...I hope these were not mentioned before, and sorry if they're repeats.

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post Nov 12 2013, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2013, 06:34 PM)
Perhaps those 3 are not famous among forumers here.

"We" like Pacific Global Stars Fund, Alliance Global Equity Fund, OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund both Hwang (HSAOF and HSAQF) and perhaps Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund.
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Oh...any specific reasons why certain funds are more favoured over, say, the 3 that I mentioned? Just for my knowledge sweat.gif
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post Nov 13 2013, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 12 2013, 08:27 PM)
1. Past performance
2. FSM recommendation

Pacific GSF -
The fund manager has a fairly flexible mandate to select stocks, and it's not afraid to hold high/low cash levels as they see fit

OSK-UOB GEYF -
A "safe" choice due to its focus on dividend-yielding equities from relatively stable sectors/industries

Alliance Global Equities -
Feeds into Singapore managed Fullerton Global Equities (Fullerton is associated to Temasek the Singapore sovereign wealth fund)

Hwang Select Asia Quantum and Select Asia Opportunity
HwangIM's performance speaks for itself. And why we call Asia Quantum the "Ponzi fund"...I leave it to your imagination tongue.gif

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity -
Sister fund to the hugely successful Aberdeen Global Opportunities available thru FSM Singapore, probably their only difference is one is Shariah-compliant while the other is not.
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Thanks for the helpful information, Pink!
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post Nov 17 2013, 07:22 PM

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I have a question regarding sales charge. I've read the FSM information, but knowing me, I might get the wrong idea, lol.

Do help me to understand here. It says now that there are no more sales charge, but there's platform fees.
Let's say I buy 1 fund with RM10k investment. How much do I get deducted from FSM? Is it according to whatever platform fee that is tied to that particular fund as shown in the site?
If yes, anything else on top of that that will be deducted from me?

So, if the price increases by 5%...so my profit = 5%-platform fees?

What is the difference between this and buying from the bank in terms of charges? I see that most bank charges about 4-5%. So meaning my price has to increase more than 4-5% before I can make a profit, yes?

Thanks!
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post Nov 17 2013, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 08:48 PM)
Have you read all the FAQs on this matter?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467
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Yeah, I did earlier. And it seems like the fee is not high at all and I'm concerned if I've actually missed out on something.
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post Nov 17 2013, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 17 2013, 10:05 PM)
A forumer did some analysis and comparison on this matter. In long term, the platform fee will be relatively significant.

All fees will be mentioned upfront in the respective fund info page. No hidden fee or charges otherwise stated.
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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post Nov 19 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 18 2013, 01:48 PM)
Just to clarify, FSM.MY platform fees are only charged for certain bond / fixed income funds, not all funds.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=8467

Using your eg. assuming it's a bond fund that is charged (not all bond funds are charged platform fees):
1. U buy $10K of NAV$1
U get 10,000 units
No deduction outright
Only deducted per quarter from CMF, "best performing fixed income fund", etc
AND if U sold before the quarter - the fees will be deducted from your sales

2. Yes, if (1) went up 10% and the yearly fees is 0.2% then:
NAV $1 *110% *0.2% is chargeable per unit for the year
(er.. i'm simplifying to 0.2% per year yar, the actual is calculated & charged per quarter)

Stand to be corrected - just my understanding from the link  notworthy.gif
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Thankie thankie.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 09:54 AM)
Not advisable to start investing in bond fund now...interest rates (esp Malaysia) only has one way - UP.

Park in Cash Management Fund and/or short-dated bond funds like AmIncome Plus to protect your capital for now.

Just my 2 sen icon_rolleyes.gif
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Umm, how do we know if it's a short-dated fund?
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post Nov 19 2013, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 19 2013, 02:39 PM)
Read the prospectus to know what is the fund's mandate.

AmIncome Plus invests in bonds that mature in <3 years if I don't remember wrongly. Interest rate movements won't hit it much.
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Thanks!

Sei lor, I was gonna start investing in some funds and I see that in your previous message, you don't encourage us to get into bond funds, lol...
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post Nov 22 2013, 04:41 PM

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Guys...how many equity funds do you have at any one time? I suppose 4-5 is the max?

And are you driven by emotions/logic when you feel it's time to sell. For eg., it depends on the duration that you have been keeping the fund, the performance of it the past few months, or simply cuz you know that it's gonna tank soon. Some people will hold till yearssss, and some many few months then cabut regardless of situation. What say you?
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post Nov 25 2013, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 22 2013, 06:48 PM)
Excluding PRS. I have 8 funds on-hand. Excluding sentimental PM funds, I have 6.

When fund is not performed as per your expectation, emotion drive will sure happen unless you want to let it auto-pilot.
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Hehe, sentimental funds meaning hard to sell eventhough performing bad or good tongue.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 22 2013, 09:35 PM)
I learnt this lesson and went thru this with Pacific Global Stars, happy that I persevered and kept faith biggrin.gif

Funds that I gave up after prolonged underperformance:
Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah
AmAsia Pacific REITs
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I think my threshold for funds would be to keep them for 6months to a year, depending...hard to say since it's performance-driven. When it goes up, you still wanna keep hoping it will keep rising. But if it goes down, you keep hoping it will rise again. Have to beat this mentality if wanna invest wisely, yes?

I'm not the sort that's into invest for a long period. I hope I can persevere with those I have in hand.

Pink Spider, you mentioned before about DCA. So it's just like topping up when prices seem low enough (and looking good to rise again) so that the price will be favourable over a period of time, is this correct?
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post Nov 25 2013, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 02:29 PM)
IMHO 6 months is too short.

Imagine u bought a fund during the slump of 2008-2009, and u dumped after a few months. Fastforward to 2013...you'd be cursing yourself.

Investing is for long-term, think at least 3 years and above.

DCA is about topping up FIXED AMOUNT on a regular interval regardless of what's happening.

I do VCA + monitor market, i.e. if market goes up strongly, I'd do nothong. If market crashes, I'd top up enough to keep my %s intact e.g. fund A from 20% of my portfolio dropped to 18%, I top up to make it become 20% again.
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3 years...I guess if the returns are a lot better than FD, then it would be encouraging to keep them longer, hehe nod.gif

Thanks for the clarification on the DCA and VCA...yes, you're right, one is fixed amount and another is not. How confident are you when you do the top up when market's down...like, you must really know what you're doing if you choose to keep buying eventhough it's down...yes?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 02:38 PM)
U cannot compare strictly to FD...FD is fixed...straight line...

But UT can be like...u loss money for 1 year...then nothing for 2nd year...then 3rd year fly up recouped all yr losses plus made profit
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I understand...a bit jittery cuz this is my first venture into UT.
Wanted to try with that HSAO that you guys mentioned before, but lately I see that everyone's going away from it sweat.gif So have to find other choices.
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post Nov 25 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Nov 25 2013, 04:56 PM)
*cough* PGSF *cough*  whistling.gif
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Ya ya, I keep hearing you guys mentioning this too.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:03 PM)
Also...Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets...u dunno how long I've been sitting in the red with this one...then suddenly shoot up, annualised returns of 8% p.a. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 25 2013, 05:48 PM)
Oi...that's 35% of my equity allocation, 21% of my overall portfolio neh sweat.gif
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35% allocation, that's considered quite high. So confident happy.gif
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post Nov 26 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 26 2013, 09:53 PM)
Guys, Oct-13 fact sheets for HwangIM funds are out.

I think I can explain the recent underperformance of HwangIM funds already:
(1) From Sep-13 fact sheets we can see that both Asia Quantum and Asia Opportunity are cash-heavy; as at Oct-13 cash levels reduced significantly. Hence, HwangIM must have deployed the cash at the wrong timing.
(2) Thailand+Indonesia+Philippines exposures
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*raises hand* Why is being cash-heavy not good?
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post Nov 26 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 26 2013, 11:09 PM)
Not to say no good.

Let's say u hold RM1,000 in hand. U keep it in cash, it will remain RM1,000.

If u deploy it at the right timing i.e. when market is "cheap" or bottoming, u win.
If u deploy it at the wrong timing...

Recently ASEAN markets esp Thailand has been hit hard.

HwangIM funds deployed the cash horde it was holding as at Sep-end during October...kaboom! icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 26 2013, 11:14 PM)
It's an equity fund. Hoarding too much cash for a long period is not good for the fund and generate reasonable return.

Generally, an equity fund has exposure of about 90% to 95% in equity market. Otherwise, the fund will behave like a balanced fund.
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Thanks for the explanation and example icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 19 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2013, 10:20 AM)
Me...3AM doh.gif

GF merajuk vmad.gif

Dow green green...RHB-OSK Global Equity Yield rclxms.gif
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Wah, wah, got gf already? thumbup.gif

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post Jan 11 2014, 03:34 PM

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Hmmm....any funds in particular that we can consider to buy during FSM fair? 0.5% is seems really low...can experiment with some funds if the sales charge is reasonable. I'm looking at some Eastsprings funds cuz they seem to yield good returns. Others, not so sure. AmPacific is going down, but I heard it can recover later. Do you think I should go for this too?

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