Wow! We are up to v9 already!

Thanks Acid_RuleZz!

To start things off... any more info re Vesuvius?
(a.k.a. R9-290XT)

goldfriesthanks...

R9 280X > GTX 760?

Of course since GTX760 was meant to compete with HD7950 not 7970 Ghz Ed.

Guess I'm gonna be waiting for the R9 270 that has 1x6-pin power connector I hope.

On AMD - Mantle. been reading it alot, but not quite sure on an area. The CPU part. i saw a number of forumer recommend getting FX - 8 core CPU in the HW Q&A to the OP on rig recommendation - if you are getting AMD GCN Gpu.

How is the CPU affect the Mantle performance as a whole? in more core = better? (An article from Anand on Mantle - Perfect Parallel Rendering - Utilize all 8 core <- Is this why the BF4 beta is utilizing all core? instead of its a BUG, mayb it is Mantle in works? For user with GCN gpu only - But Dec'13 should be the month Mantle implemented in BF4 via patch)

AFAIK now Intel chip is a much better choice to go for than AMD, but its kinda reverse now due to the Mantle.

Not sure i put it in a correct way a not. Excuse my poor explanation.



This post has been edited by sai86: Oct 10 2013, 10:04 AM

Hard to say... have to wait for mantle version to test out.

Sapphire 280x RM 1159 according to dealer, looks good since it can trade blows with gtx770 at RM1400+

Ermmm....price not bad , sure will get one..

any idea price for 270X?

Yeah 1st page!!!!!

hikari already sell new amd gfx ..

bole singgah kedai tgk ,,,nanti toxic edition mybe

So the official selling date is tomorrow? Anyone know if which shop in Lowyat will have it by tomorrow? Maybe will drop by there to pick 1 280X up

Lol. 79xx getting pull out from Hikari sell thread @@" the price is very attractive. i got mine at rm1050 for 2nd hand @ 4mths old....
will the R-29x will have a major leap from 7970 performance?
R-290 = gtx 780, r-290X = Titan?

So far, RM699 - RM780

how much is R-290X?

Think my 7850 was wasted after R9 released....

Looks like 290X will be between 780 and Titan but surpass Titan if game uses Mantle

Pretty impressive stuff from the R9-280X



Price point is slightly cheaper than the 7970GHZ edition and a bit faster. a win2 combo

That bench looks weird... by right 280X is between 7970 and 7970GE.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...0x,3635-11.html

Why wasted?

So which one is competing with GTX 760?

HD7950? But it need a price drop.

My guess would be R9-280 aka 7950 refresh.

Because I just buy about 2~3 months back

AMD doesn't have a direct competitor to GTX760.

Below is 7870, above is 7950.

AMD eliminated the "in between" tiers of cards (all 7X50 GPUs are gone).

R9 280X is synonymous with 7970.
R9 270X is synonymous with 7870.
R7 260X is synonymous with 7790.
R7 250 is synonymous with 7730.

Got 1 previously which so call Tahiti LE aka 7870XT, a short lifted product.

Interesting yet somewhat conflicting benchmarks all over the net at the moment...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...0x,3635-11.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeo...chmarks,20.html

Will do more reading later tonight.

oh ya.. I forgot about that price/perf monster

I mean 7950 still selling like hot cakes and currently priced lower than 760 (not in Msia obviously) so there's no need to come up with a new card to compete with it.

Limited ma, all those failed Tahiti XT and Tahiti Pro became Tahiti LE.

Hmm, is the R-270X is 7870XT?
wonder how high the OC can go. so far guru3d @ 1150/6400. indeed the performance abit higher/= 7970 ghz.

Nope, it is 7870 Ghz in disguise.

Targeting 760

Supposedly 280x is 7870 and 280 is 7850

Updating actual numbers from GBros with permission:
With TrueAudio: in order of Toxic, Vapor-X, Normal, and any other variant as denoted
R9-290X - Hawaii 2816 SPU - $699
Speculate: R9-290
R7-260X - 7790 (Bonaire XTX) with TrueAudio and higher memspeed $139 = RM535

No True Audio: in order of Toxic, Vapor-X, Normal, and any other variant as denoted
R9-280X - 7970GE rebrand $299 = RM1289/ 1229/ 1159
Speculate: R9-280 (7950 rebrand?) $249??

R7-270X - 7870GE (Pitcairn) $199 = RM889/ 839/ 759 /869(4G)
R7-250 - Oland XT $89 = RM375 (1GD5)/365 (2GD3)
R7-240 - Oland Pro $69 = RM329 (1GD5)/319 (2GD3)

From hikari85 listed price if bundled with PSU:
Sapphire ~ last update OCT 2013~
*bundle with PSU

Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1289 , Promo @ RM1199*
Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1229 , Promo @ RM1139*
Sapphire R9 280X Dual-X 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM1159 , Promo @ RM1079*

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic with Boost 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM889 , Promo @ RM829*
Sapphire R9 270X Vapor-X OC with Boost 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM839 , Promo @ RM779*
Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X OC with Boost 4GB GDDR5 256BIT RM869 , Promo @ RM809*
Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X OC with Boost 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM759 , Promo @ RM709*

Sapphire R7 260X OC 2GB GDDR5 128BIT RM535 , Promo @ RM499
Sapphire R7 250 with Boost 1GB GDDR5 128BIT RM375 , Promo @ RM355
Sapphire R7 250 with Boost 2GB GDDR3 128BIT RM365 , Promo @ RM345
Sapphire R7 240 with Boost 1GB GDDR5 128BIT RM329 , Promo @ RM315
Sapphire R7 240 with Boost 2GB GDDR3 128BIT RM319 , Promo @ RM305

This post has been edited by alexei: Oct 10 2013, 03:31 PM

Wow...R9 280X Toxic only RM1289??? Still cheaper than 7970GE...

Typo there.

Damn the price look more attractive now, hopefully 290x/290 is not 2.5k-3k expensive.

just the 1st day. wait the reseller to re-adjust the price of 7970/7950. should be lower if not EOL

What??? So cheap with more higher performance!!! Ah!!!!!!

Tempting to upgrade my PC together with a new GC now....

So a regular R9 280 will be priced between 280X and 270X?

Lol. Just knew that 7970 and r9 280x can crossfire. eyeing on new r9 rx280

Acid_RuleZz well, hikari85 is threat famous for cheaper than other LYN sellers. I wonder would they slash price for HD7950 old stock in the store... I'd get those anyday compared to 7970 or 280X.

Omg 7970 ek waterblock can fit r9-280x!!

1079 for Sapphire 280X is good deal? Feel like placing order now.

Only RM60 different between Sapphire 280X Toxic and Vapor x...which one??

This post has been edited by AdamNg: Oct 10 2013, 05:44 PM

y not? since you need it. and the price point is even better than 7xxx series.
Sapphire brand gpu offer the lowest price point you can get among AMD partners.

Toxic then OC kao kao.

This post has been edited by sai86: Oct 10 2013, 05:45 PM

wonder 280x can xfire with hd 7770?

cannot.

Cannot bro. Different GPU used.

who do you buy from?

what about 260x, wanted to buy new toy to try xfire

hikari?

Should I go for Vapor-X or it wont differ much from the normal Dual X model?

Thanks for the reply.

Sorry bro,I'm same ship with you I also dilemma between dual X and vapor X

I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.

This post has been edited by sasaug: Oct 10 2013, 06:48 PM

Silicone lottery mang, different chip different headroom, doesn't matter Toxic/Vapor-X/Dual-X/Ice-Q/WForce/TFrozr/Matrix.

guys please help me ,i buy the new gc today asus hd 7990, i am using latest amd driver ,using Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz,asus motherbord,ram 12 gib , 3 hard disk,win 7 64 bit ,psu ac bell 900w,never using cooler for processor, if i play bf4 beta or bf3 about 5 minutes,my pc will shutdown,please helpp me

This post has been edited by pencacai: Oct 10 2013, 08:48 PM

https://forum.lowyat.net/TechnicalSupport

wrong thread bro but r u serious?

No cooler for your processor??

What is your CPU and GPU temperatures? Also, what PSU u using?

dun need to be so shocked la bro.. he got use FAN but not cooler ma

stock cooler also not using?

guys,R9 280X toxic,vapour-x vs windforce,which one would be a better bang for buck?

I think I will go for Vapor-x, just RM50 more than the normal ones lol.

oh orange gpu baby ..





http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sap...0x-toxic-review

This post has been edited by meons: Oct 11 2013, 12:17 AM

The way I think/differentiate between them:

TOXIC = when you don't want to play the overclock lottery/game. Already tested to run stable Factory OC-speed

VAPOR-X = vapor-chamber, better heat transfer, slightly lower temps, useful in our weather or you don't have AC in your room/workstation

DUAL-X = vanilla, want to OC yourself

EDIT:
Wants sauna in your case? Iif your case is not well ventilated may make your motherboard components & CPU hotter = lower OC, instability, etc. (fixed, thanks goldfries)


rm60 difference only bro, fuhget about it and go TOXIC if you want the best out of the box overclocked 280X. Bright orangey-yellow looks cool too.


EDIT: The summary of Anandtech Sapphire 280X Toxic is also good advise
This post has been edited by nsiboro: Oct 11 2013, 12:37 PM

I wish I had to buy my new PC this year instead of last year T.T Would have been able to get the 280X but now stuck with 7950 T.T 280X looks so snazzzzzzzy

wanna buy toxic but 3gb is too much for 1366x768 res

bro, can elaborate more. you word to powderful

Buy now or wait for other brand to come in?

This post has been edited by lepo: Oct 11 2013, 01:53 AM

ahhh well the part about Dual-X is rather misleading.

all the above will make your casing a sauna because they dissipate heat well.

the better the cooling, the more sauna your case is because heat is dissipated faster to the case.

part in bracket for the Dual-X applies to Toxic and Vapor-X

Damn , I have to agree that other 280x cards are pretty meh , but this seems to be the prettiest one yet. Also its a no brainer to choose this between the Vapor X ones. LEDs included , which iinm only high end cards have it , which is pretty cool.

I'm pretty sure that Sapphire will have the same Toxic style for their 290x models since the 270x has it.

7950 is still powerful.
You can't wait every year for the next batch

as said. OC is all about Lottery. sometimes you get golden, some lemon and some normal chip.
in my case i able to push another 150mhz into core clock on top of that fc oc'ed vapor-x.

i wonder, since the new r9-280x is basically the same 7970, what different is there if i push my 7970 clock to match with r-280x clock?
I juz notice the r-280x vapor-x core clock is juz 50mhz incremental as 7970 vapor-x?

it means, how high can a gpu OC is like buying a lottery. you might even get an unit that you need to DC instead to get it stable. even i give you 3 same gpu r-280x vapor-x, the overclock ability is different among each other.

The back plate is so attractive

This post has been edited by sai86: Oct 11 2013, 09:14 AM

If not mistaken, the max boost clock for the new 280X Vapor-X's Dual-X's max boost clock is at 1020 MHz, slower then even 7970 GHz Vapor-X's boost clock of 1050 MHz. The only one that really runs higher than the regular 7970 GHz is only 280X Toxic (1150 MHz).

Edit: saw wrongly, Dual-X is 1020 MHz, Vapor-X is 1070 MHz, Toxic is 1150 MHz. All are max boost clock speeds for Sapphire only.

This post has been edited by rav3n82: Oct 11 2013, 09:35 AM

oh. okie. this new naming really gotten my toll.
the best part of this new line-up is PRICING wise i think. 4/5 more days to see the real/new contender.

not really.

there are still couple of brands which can higher than 7970GHz boost, like:
GIGABYTE R9 280X WindForce 3X OC 1100 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1150 MHz
HIS R9 280X iPower IceQ X2 Turbo Boost Clock 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz
MSI R9 280X Gaming OC 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz

This post has been edited by storm88: Oct 11 2013, 09:27 AM

the price for 260X vs 7790 = SIGH!!!!

I guess I go for 7790 -.-

Wonder is it justified the extra vram for the price.

Bro, the only one I see faster than 7970 GHz is only the Gigabyte card, which has similar speeds with 280X Toxic. IINM, 7970 GHz (Sapphire) is 1000/1050 (boost), memory 6 GHz effective.

I guess Sapphire usually offer the lowest price among other brands right? I think I'm gonna place my order today. Asked a few seller and hikari still gave the best deal, 1139 for R9-280X Vapor-X.

i think 260X performance is higher than 7790.

As refer to the spec of the card, the performance is between 7850 and 7790.

Ops my bad.
The MSI and HIS are same boostclock as the 7970GHz

But regardless what brand, if priced right the 280X really offers amazing price/performance. 770's performance for nearly ~ RM200 - 300 cheaper price. Well done AMD!

Btw, you bringing in HIS cards?

it is not higher by much when 7790 is already OC edition.

1075/6400/1GB vs 1100/6500/2GB

2GB doesnt really bring much extra performance even @ 1920x1080p MSAA 4x in BF3 lol, I think u need 2560x1440 to hit pass 1GB limit.

7950 to new model that going to release just for BF4 worth?

For the gigabyte R9-280X Winforce 3X OC, the performance pretty close to the Toxic IMO, price pretty close too ithink

Many of the 260X now are pre-OCed.
Btw for Display memory topic, 1G vs 2G really do have the different when the time you bump up high msAA, but i do understand your POV

price already confirm or not ?

yes, only when u hit pass 1920x1080, otherwise 1GB is kinda sufficient "for now". I am not sure about the future PS4/XboxOne console port tho. Might be diff there.

highest pre-OCed is Asus 1188/7000. I am waiting to see how much it cost, Sapphire OCed is already RM500-535, looks like it will be near RM600 range for Asus, not much hope

Sapphire 260x is 1150/6600, not much higher than Asus 1075/6400 7790.

so ive been using an oldoldoldold nvida gtx 260+... bout time for an upgrade..

ive been considering either r7 260 or r9 270... or their older counterparts, 7850/7790.. coz thats around my budget.

My question is, how big is mantle? I will certainly play BF4 when it comes out, and i wonder how big of a deal mantle is.. is it worth to pay more for the r9 270 and get it?

get the 256bit card, 270X.

mantle is going to be big enough that u ignore Nvidia. My logic is DICE is not stupid to code Bf4 mantle 2years just for mini 5% increase performance. my prediction? at least 10-20% bonus if u run mantle over DirectX.