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post Oct 10 2013, 01:56 AM, updated 12y ago

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Catalyst Application Profiles (CAP): - Sometime, not needed with Beta driver
13.5 CAP1
(link will always lead to the latest version)
Inside AMD Catalyst Application Profiles
List Of AMD/ATI Catalyst Driver Profiles - kn00tcn


Softwares - Monitoring,Tweaking and Overclocking
1. RadeonPro - Latest build - Radeon's Games Profiles Automation Tool
2. MSI Afterburner 3.0.0 Beta 9
3. ASUS GPU Tweak - Latest Beta
4. Sapphire TriXX 4.6.0

Softwares - Monitoring and Utility
1. GPU-Z 0.6.8
2. Atiman Uninstaller 7.0.2 - used to thoroughly clean out Catalyst drivers
3. DriverFusion - Alternative to Atiman Uninstaller
4. Amd Un-Install Utility - Only for Windows 7

Softwares - Stress tools
1. OCCT 3.1 - Newer versions don't quite stress the card as much.
2. OCCT 4.3.2 - Latest build
3. HWiNFO64 - Versatile monitoring tool

Softwares - Benchmark Tools
1. 3DMark - 2013
2. 3DMark11
3. Unigine - Valley
4. Unigine - Heaven

BIOSes:
1) Reference 7970 to 7970 GHz
or if it's not working for you please try this:
2) Reference 7970 to 7970 GHz
If you want use this bios, you need use the 12.7 Beta driver or newer for get PTE and TurboBoost enabled as it contain the software algorythm needed

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post Oct 10 2013, 02:01 AM

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Wow! We are up to v9 already!

Thanks Acid_RuleZz! rclxms.gif

To start things off... any more info re Vesuvius? rclxm9.gif
(a.k.a. R9-290XT)


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post Oct 10 2013, 02:06 AM

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R9 280X > GTX 760?
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QUOTE(Vortexx22 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:06 AM)
R9 280X > GTX 760?
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Of course since GTX760 was meant to compete with HD7950 not 7970 Ghz Ed.
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post Oct 10 2013, 09:18 AM

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Guess I'm gonna be waiting for the R9 270 that has 1x6-pin power connector biggrin.gif I hope.
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post Oct 10 2013, 09:49 AM

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On AMD - Mantle. been reading it alot, but not quite sure on an area. The CPU part. i saw a number of forumer recommend getting FX - 8 core CPU in the HW Q&A to the OP on rig recommendation - if you are getting AMD GCN Gpu.

How is the CPU affect the Mantle performance as a whole? in more core = better? (An article from Anand on Mantle - Perfect Parallel Rendering - Utilize all 8 core <- Is this why the BF4 beta is utilizing all core? instead of its a BUG, mayb it is Mantle in works? For user with GCN gpu only - But Dec'13 should be the month Mantle implemented in BF4 via patch)

AFAIK now Intel chip is a much better choice to go for than AMD, but its kinda reverse now due to the Mantle.

Not sure i put it in a correct way a not. Excuse my poor explanation. blush.gif

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 10 2013, 09:49 AM)
On AMD - Mantle. been reading it alot, but not quite sure on an area. The CPU part. i saw a number of forumer recommend getting FX - 8 core CPU in the HW Q&A to the OP on rig recommendation - if you are getting AMD GCN Gpu.

How is the CPU affect the Mantle performance as a whole? in more core = better? (An article from Anand on Mantle - Perfect Parallel Rendering - Utilize all 8 core <- Is this why the BF4 beta is utilizing all core? instead of its a BUG, mayb it is Mantle in works? For user with GCN gpu only - But Dec'13 should be the month Mantle implemented in BF4 via patch)

AFAIK now Intel chip is a much better choice to go for than AMD, but its kinda reverse now due to the Mantle.

Not sure i put it in a correct way a not. Excuse my poor explanation.  blush.gif

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Hard to say... have to wait for mantle version to test out.
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post Oct 10 2013, 11:29 AM

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Sapphire 280x RM 1159 according to dealer, looks good since it can trade blows with gtx770 at RM1400+
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QUOTE(itikgoreng @ Oct 10 2013, 11:29 AM)
Sapphire 280x RM 1159 according to dealer, looks good since it can trade blows with gtx770 at RM1400+
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Ermmm....price not bad brows.gif, sure will get one.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:00 PM

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any idea price for 270X?
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:36 PM

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Yeah 1st page!!!!!
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:39 PM

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hikari already sell new amd gfx ..
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(SecrET_of_RainBOw @ Oct 10 2013, 12:39 PM)
hikari already sell new amd gfx ..
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drool.gif bole singgah kedai tgk ,,,nanti tongue.gif toxic edition mybe
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:53 PM

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So the official selling date is tomorrow? Anyone know if which shop in Lowyat will have it by tomorrow? Maybe will drop by there to pick 1 280X up tongue.gif
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Lol. 79xx getting pull out from Hikari sell thread @@" the price is very attractive. i got mine at rm1050 for 2nd hand @ 4mths old....
will the R-29x will have a major leap from 7970 performance? hmm.gif
R-290 = gtx 780, r-290X = Titan? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 10 2013, 12:00 PM)
any idea price for 270X?
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So far, RM699 - RM780
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how much is R-290X?
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Think my 7850 was wasted after R9 released.... cry.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 10 2013, 01:19 PM)
Lol. 79xx getting pull out from Hikari sell thread @@" the price is very attractive. i got mine at rm1050 for 2nd hand @ 4mths old....
will the R-29x will have a major leap from 7970 performance?  hmm.gif
R-290 = gtx 780, r-290X = Titan? laugh.gif
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Looks like 290X will be between 780 and Titan hmm.gif but surpass Titan if game uses Mantle
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Pretty impressive stuff from the R9-280X

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Price point is slightly cheaper than the 7970GHZ edition and a bit faster. a win2 combo rclxms.gif
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That bench looks weird... by right 280X is between 7970 and 7970GE.

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post Oct 10 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(InfoO2 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:03 PM)
Think my 7850 was wasted after R9 released.... cry.gif
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Why wasted? laugh.gif
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So which one is competing with GTX 760? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(AaronFPS @ Oct 10 2013, 02:29 PM)
So which one is competing with GTX 760?  rclxub.gif
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HD7950? But it need a price drop. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AaronFPS @ Oct 10 2013, 02:29 PM)
So which one is competing with GTX 760?  rclxub.gif
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My guess would be R9-280 aka 7950 refresh. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 10 2013, 02:26 PM)
Why wasted? laugh.gif
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Because I just buy about 2~3 months back cry.gif
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QUOTE(AaronFPS @ Oct 10 2013, 02:29 PM)
So which one is competing with GTX 760?  rclxub.gif
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AMD doesn't have a direct competitor to GTX760.

Below is 7870, above is 7950.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 10 2013, 02:33 PM)
HD7950? But it need a price drop. laugh.gif
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AMD eliminated the "in between" tiers of cards (all 7X50 GPUs are gone).

QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:33 PM)
My guess would be R9-280 aka 7950 refresh. biggrin.gif
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R9 280X is synonymous with 7970.
R9 270X is synonymous with 7870.
R7 260X is synonymous with 7790.
R7 250 is synonymous with 7730.
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 10 2013, 02:37 PM)
AMD doesn't have a direct competitor to GTX760.

Below is 7870, above is 7950.
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Got 1 previously which so call Tahiti LE aka 7870XT, a short lifted product. laugh.gif
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Interesting yet somewhat conflicting benchmarks all over the net at the moment...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...0x,3635-11.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeo...chmarks,20.html

Will do more reading later tonight.
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QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:40 PM)
Got 1 previously which so call Tahiti LE aka 7870XT, a short lifted product. laugh.gif
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oh ya.. I forgot about that price/perf monster doh.gif
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QUOTE(AaronFPS @ Oct 10 2013, 02:39 PM)
AMD eliminated the "in between" tiers of cards (all 7X50 GPUs are gone).
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I mean 7950 still selling like hot cakes and currently priced lower than 760 (not in Msia obviously) so there's no need to come up with a new card to compete with it.

QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:40 PM)
Got 1 previously which so call Tahiti LE aka 7870XT, a short lifted product. laugh.gif
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Limited ma, all those failed Tahiti XT and Tahiti Pro became Tahiti LE. ph34r.gif
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Hmm, is the R-270X is 7870XT? hmm.gif
wonder how high the OC can go. so far guru3d @ 1150/6400. indeed the performance abit higher/= 7970 ghz.


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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 10 2013, 03:07 PM)
Hmm, is the R-270X is 7870XT?  hmm.gif
wonder how high the OC can go. so far guru3d @ 1150/6400. indeed the performance abit higher/= 7970 ghz.
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Nope, it is 7870 Ghz in disguise.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 10 2013, 03:03 PM)
I mean 7950 still selling like hot cakes and currently priced lower than 760 (not in Msia obviously) so there's no need to come up with a new card to compete with it.
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nod.gif Targeting 760 brows.gif
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Supposedly 280x is 7870 and 280 is 7850
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Updating actual numbers from GBros with permission:
With TrueAudio: in order of Toxic, Vapor-X, Normal, and any other variant as denoted
R9-290X - Hawaii 2816 SPU - $699
Speculate: R9-290
R7-260X - 7790 (Bonaire XTX) with TrueAudio and higher memspeed $139 = RM535

No True Audio: in order of Toxic, Vapor-X, Normal, and any other variant as denoted
R9-280X - 7970GE rebrand $299 = RM1289/ 1229/ 1159
Speculate: R9-280 (7950 rebrand?) $249??

R7-270X - 7870GE (Pitcairn) $199 = RM889/ 839/ 759 /869(4G)
R7-250 - Oland XT $89 = RM375 (1GD5)/365 (2GD3)
R7-240 - Oland Pro $69 = RM329 (1GD5)/319 (2GD3)

From hikari85 listed price if bundled with PSU:
Sapphire ~ last update OCT 2013~
*bundle with PSU

Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1289 , Promo @ RM1199*
Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1229 , Promo @ RM1139*
Sapphire R9 280X Dual-X 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM1159 , Promo @ RM1079*

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic with Boost 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM889 , Promo @ RM829*
Sapphire R9 270X Vapor-X OC with Boost 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM839 , Promo @ RM779*
Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X OC with Boost 4GB GDDR5 256BIT RM869 , Promo @ RM809*
Sapphire R9 270X Dual-X OC with Boost 2GB GDDR5 256BIT RM759 , Promo @ RM709*

Sapphire R7 260X OC 2GB GDDR5 128BIT RM535 , Promo @ RM499
Sapphire R7 250 with Boost 1GB GDDR5 128BIT RM375 , Promo @ RM355
Sapphire R7 250 with Boost 2GB GDDR3 128BIT RM365 , Promo @ RM345
Sapphire R7 240 with Boost 1GB GDDR5 128BIT RM329 , Promo @ RM315
Sapphire R7 240 with Boost 2GB GDDR3 128BIT RM319 , Promo @ RM305

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Wow...R9 280X Toxic only RM1289??? Still cheaper than 7970GE...
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 10 2013, 03:27 PM)
From hikari85 listed price if bundled with PSU:
Sapphire ~ last update OCT 2013~
*bundle with PSU

Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1289 , Promo @ RM1199*
Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1229 , Promo @ RM1139*
Sapphire R9 280X Dual-X 2GB GDDR5 384BIT RM1159 , Promo @ RM1079*
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Typo there.

Damn the price look more attractive now, hopefully 290x/290 is not 2.5k-3k expensive.
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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 10 2013, 03:32 PM)
Wow...R9 280X Toxic only RM1289??? Still cheaper than 7970GE...
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just the 1st day. wait the reseller to re-adjust the price of 7970/7950. should be lower if not EOL laugh.gif
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What??? So cheap with more higher performance!!! Ah!!!!!!
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So a regular R9 280 will be priced between 280X and 270X? biggrin.gif
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Lol. Just knew that 7970 and r9 280x can crossfire. brows.gif eyeing on new r9 rx280
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Acid_RuleZz well, hikari85 is threat famous for cheaper than other LYN sellers. I wonder would they slash price for HD7950 old stock in the store... I'd get those anyday compared to 7970 or 280X.
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Omg 7970 ek waterblock can fit r9-280x!!
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1079 for Sapphire 280X is good deal? Feel like placing order now.
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Only RM60 different between Sapphire 280X Toxic and Vapor x...which one?? hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 05:42 PM)
1079 for Sapphire 280X is good deal? Feel like placing order now.
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y not? since you need it. and the price point is even better than 7xxx series.
Sapphire brand gpu offer the lowest price point you can get among AMD partners.

QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 10 2013, 05:43 PM)
Only RM60 different between Sapphire 280X Toxic and Vapor x...which one??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Toxic then OC kao kao.

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wonder 280x can xfire with hd 7770?
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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Oct 10 2013, 06:12 PM)
wonder 280x can xfire with hd 7770?
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cannot.
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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Oct 10 2013, 06:12 PM)
wonder 280x can xfire with hd 7770?
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Cannot bro. Different GPU used.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 05:42 PM)
1079 for Sapphire 280X is good deal? Feel like placing order now.
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who do you buy from? smile.gif
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shocking.gif
what about 260x, wanted to buy new toy to try xfire brows.gif
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 10 2013, 06:25 PM)
who do you buy from? smile.gif
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hikari?

Should I go for Vapor-X or it wont differ much from the normal Dual X model?
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 06:32 PM)
hikari?

Should I go for Vapor-X or it wont differ much from the normal Dual X model?
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Thanks for the reply.

Sorry bro,I'm same ship with you sad.gif I also dilemma between dual X and vapor X sad.gif
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 10 2013, 06:35 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Sorry bro,I'm same ship with you sad.gif I also dilemma between dual X and vapor X sad.gif
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I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.
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Silicone lottery mang, different chip different headroom, doesn't matter Toxic/Vapor-X/Dual-X/Ice-Q/WForce/TFrozr/Matrix.
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guys please help me ,i buy the new gc today asus hd 7990, i am using latest amd driver ,using Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz,asus motherbord,ram 12 gib , 3 hard disk,win 7 64 bit ,psu ac bell 900w,never using cooler for processor, if i play bf4 beta or bf3 about 5 minutes,my pc will shutdown,please helpp me sad.gif

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QUOTE(pencacai @ Oct 10 2013, 08:41 PM)
guys please help me ,i buy the new gc today asus hd 7990, i am using latest amd driver ,using  Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz,asus motherbord,ram 12 gib , 3 hard disk,win 7 64 bit ,psu  ac bell 900w,never using cooler for  processor, if i play bf4 beta or bf3  about 5 minutes,my pc will shutdown,please helpp me  sad.gif
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guys please help me ,i buy the new gc today asus hd 7990, i am using latest amd driver ,using  Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz,asus motherbord,ram 12 gib , 3 hard disk,win 7 64 bit ,psu  ac bell 900w,never using cooler for  processor, if i play bf4 beta or bf3  about 5 minutes,my pc will shutdown,please helpp me  sad.gif
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No cooler for your processor?? shocking.gif

What is your CPU and GPU temperatures? Also, what PSU u using?
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 10 2013, 09:14 PM)
No cooler for your processor??  shocking.gif

What is your CPU and GPU temperatures? Also, what PSU u using?
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dun need to be so shocked la bro.. he got use FAN but not cooler ma laugh.gif
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QUOTE(pencacai @ Oct 10 2013, 08:41 PM)
guys please help me ,i buy the new gc today asus hd 7990, i am using latest amd driver ,using  Intel® Core™ i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz,asus motherbord,ram 12 gib , 3 hard disk,win 7 64 bit ,psu  ac bell 900w,never using cooler for  processor, if i play bf4 beta or bf3  about 5 minutes,my pc will shutdown,please helpp me  sad.gif
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stock cooler also not using?
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guys,R9 280X toxic,vapour-x vs windforce,which one would be a better bang for buck?
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 10 2013, 11:25 PM)
guys,R9 280X toxic,vapour-x vs windforce,which one would be a better bang for buck?
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I think I will go for Vapor-x, just RM50 more than the normal ones lol.
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 10 2013, 11:25 PM)
guys,R9 280X toxic,vapour-x vs windforce,which one would be a better bang for buck?
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The way I think/differentiate between them:

TOXIC = when you don't want to play the overclock lottery/game. Already tested to run stable Factory OC-speed

VAPOR-X = vapor-chamber, better heat transfer, slightly lower temps, useful in our weather or you don't have AC in your room/workstation

DUAL-X = vanilla, want to OC yourself

EDIT:
Wants sauna in your case? Iif your case is not well ventilated may make your motherboard components & CPU hotter = lower OC, instability, etc. (fixed, thanks goldfries)


rm60 difference only bro, fuhget about it and go TOXIC if you want the best out of the box overclocked 280X. Bright orangey-yellow looks cool too. tongue.gif


EDIT: The summary of Anandtech Sapphire 280X Toxic is also good advise
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With that said while this isn’t necessarily a head-to-head article between the 280X Toxic and the Asus 280X DirectCU II TOP, it’s a logical comparison we have to make given the fact that both are factory overclocked 280X cards shooting for strong out of the box performance.

For gaming workloads the 280X Toxic cleanly and clearly beats the Asus card here by a meaningful performance amount.

However Asus is absolutely a spoiler here due to their aggressive pricing and their very quiet cooler. Their 280X DCUII TOP can’t match the Toxic, but it’s $40 cheaper and over 5dB quieter.

Consequently if all you want is the fastest 280X on the market then Sapphire’s 280X Toxic is clearly the card to get, otherwise the Asus card is worth a consideration for its better price/performance ratio and cooling performance.

As is almost always the case for factory overclocked cards there is a price to pay for the very fastest card, both in literal cost and in power and acoustics.
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I wish I had to buy my new PC this year instead of last year T.T Would have been able to get the 280X but now stuck with 7950 T.T 280X looks so snazzzzzzzy
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wanna buy toxic but 3gb is too much for 1366x768 res laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 10 2013, 07:06 PM)
Silicone lottery mang, different chip different headroom, doesn't matter Toxic/Vapor-X/Dual-X/Ice-Q/WForce/TFrozr/Matrix.
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bro, can elaborate more. you word to powderful

Buy now or wait for other brand to come in?

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QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 11 2013, 12:32 AM)
TOXIC = when you don't want to play the overclock lottery/game. Already tested to run stable Factory OC-speed

VAPOR-X = vapor-chamber, better heat transfer, slightly lower temps, useful in our weather or you don't have AC in your room/workstation

DUAL-X = vanilla, want to OC yourself, wants sauna in your case (if your case is not well ventilated may make your motherboard components & CPU hotter = lower OC, instability, etc.)
ahhh well the part about Dual-X is rather misleading.

all the above will make your casing a sauna because they dissipate heat well.

the better the cooling, the more sauna your case is because heat is dissipated faster to the case.

part in bracket for the Dual-X applies to Toxic and Vapor-X
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QUOTE(meons @ Oct 11 2013, 12:16 AM)
Damn , I have to agree that other 280x cards are pretty meh , but this seems to be the prettiest one yet. Also its a no brainer to choose this between the Vapor X ones. LEDs included , which iinm only high end cards have it , which is pretty cool.

I'm pretty sure that Sapphire will have the same Toxic style for their 290x models since the 270x has it. drool.gif
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QUOTE(siles1991 @ Oct 11 2013, 01:00 AM)
I wish I had to buy my new PC this year instead of last year T.T Would have been able to get the 280X but now stuck with 7950 T.T 280X looks so snazzzzzzzy
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7950 is still powerful.
You can't wait every year for the next batch
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.
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as said. OC is all about Lottery. sometimes you get golden, some lemon and some normal chip.
in my case i able to push another 150mhz into core clock on top of that fc oc'ed vapor-x.

i wonder, since the new r9-280x is basically the same 7970, what different is there if i push my 7970 clock to match with r-280x clock?
I juz notice the r-280x vapor-x core clock is juz 50mhz incremental as 7970 vapor-x? shocking.gif

QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 01:35 AM)
bro, can elaborate more. you word to powderful

Buy now or wait for other brand to come in?
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it means, how high can a gpu OC is like buying a lottery. you might even get an unit that you need to DC instead to get it stable. even i give you 3 same gpu r-280x vapor-x, the overclock ability is different among each other.

The back plate is so attractive drool.gif

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:07 AM)
as said. OC is all about Lottery. sometimes you get golden, some lemon and some normal chip.
in my case i able to push another 150mhz into core clock on top of that fc oc'ed vapor-x.

i wonder, since the new r9-280x is basically the same 7970, what different is there if i push my 7970 clock to match with r-280x clock?
I juz notice the r-280x vapor-x core clock is juz 50mhz incremental as 7970 vapor-x?  shocking.gif
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If not mistaken, the max boost clock for the new 280X Vapor-X's Dual-X's max boost clock is at 1020 MHz, slower then even 7970 GHz Vapor-X's boost clock of 1050 MHz. The only one that really runs higher than the regular 7970 GHz is only 280X Toxic (1150 MHz). biggrin.gif

Edit: saw wrongly, Dual-X is 1020 MHz, Vapor-X is 1070 MHz, Toxic is 1150 MHz. All are max boost clock speeds for Sapphire only.

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:15 AM)
If not mistaken, the max boost clock for the new 280X Vapor-X's max boost clock is at 1020 MHz, slower then even 7970 GHz Vapor-X's boost clock of 1050 MHz. The only one that really runs higher than the regular 7970 GHz is only 280X Toxic (1150 MHz). biggrin.gif
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oh. okie. this new naming really gotten my toll. rclxub.gif
the best part of this new line-up is PRICING wise i think. 4/5 more days to see the real/new contender.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Oct 11 2013, 10:15 AM)
If not mistaken, the max boost clock for the new 280X Vapor-X's max boost clock is at 1020 MHz, slower then even 7970 GHz Vapor-X's boost clock of 1050 MHz. The only one that really runs higher than the regular 7970 GHz is only 280X Toxic (1150 MHz). biggrin.gif
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not really.

there are still couple of brands which can higher than 7970GHz boost, like:
GIGABYTE R9 280X WindForce 3X OC 1100 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1150 MHz
HIS R9 280X iPower IceQ X2 Turbo Boost Clock 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz
MSI R9 280X Gaming OC 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz

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the price for 260X vs 7790 = SIGH!!!!

I guess I go for 7790 -.-
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 11 2013, 09:35 AM)
the price for 260X vs 7790 = SIGH!!!!

I guess I go for 7790 -.-
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Wonder is it justified the extra vram for the price. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:24 AM)
not really.

there are still couple of brands which can higher than 7970GHz boost, like:
GIGABYTE R9 280X WindForce 3X OC 1100 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1150 MHz
HIS R9 280X iPower IceQ X2 Turbo Boost Clock 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz
MSI R9 280X Gaming OC 1000 MHz 1500 MHz Boost Clock: 1050 MHz
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Bro, the only one I see faster than 7970 GHz is only the Gigabyte card, which has similar speeds with 280X Toxic. IINM, 7970 GHz (Sapphire) is 1000/1050 (boost), memory 6 GHz effective. smile.gif
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I guess Sapphire usually offer the lowest price among other brands right? I think I'm gonna place my order today. Asked a few seller and hikari still gave the best deal, 1139 for R9-280X Vapor-X.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 11 2013, 10:35 AM)
the price for 260X vs 7790 = SIGH!!!!

I guess I go for 7790 -.-
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i think 260X performance is higher than 7790.

As refer to the spec of the card, the performance is between 7850 and 7790.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Oct 11 2013, 10:40 AM)
Bro, the only one I see faster than 7970 GHz is only the Gigabyte card, which has similar speeds with 280X Toxic. IINM, 7970 GHz (Sapphire) is 1000/1050 (boost), memory 6 GHz effective. smile.gif
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Ops my bad. tongue.gif
The MSI and HIS are same boostclock as the 7970GHz
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:46 AM)
Ops my bad. tongue.gif
The MSI and HIS are same boostclock as the 7970GHz
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But regardless what brand, if priced right the 280X really offers amazing price/performance. 770's performance for nearly ~ RM200 - 300 cheaper price. Well done AMD! biggrin.gif

Btw, you bringing in HIS cards? brows.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:44 AM)
i think 260X performance is higher than 7790.

As refer to the spec of the card, the performance is between 7850 and 7790.
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it is not higher by much when 7790 is already OC edition.

1075/6400/1GB vs 1100/6500/2GB

2GB doesnt really bring much extra performance even @ 1920x1080p MSAA 4x in BF3 lol, I think u need 2560x1440 to hit pass 1GB limit.
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7950 to new model that going to release just for BF4 worth?
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Oct 11 2013, 10:53 AM)
But regardless what brand, if priced right the 280X really offers amazing price/performance. 770's performance for nearly ~ RM200 - 300 cheaper price. Well done AMD! biggrin.gif

Btw, you bringing in HIS cards? brows.gif
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For the gigabyte R9-280X Winforce 3X OC, the performance pretty close to the Toxic IMO, price pretty close too ithink
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 11 2013, 10:59 AM)
it is not higher by much when 7790 is already OC edition.

1075/6400/1GB vs 1100/6500/2GB

2GB doesnt really bring much extra performance even @ 1920x1080p MSAA 4x in BF3 lol, I think u need 2560x1440 to hit pass 1GB limit.
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Many of the 260X now are pre-OCed.
Btw for Display memory topic, 1G vs 2G really do have the different when the time you bump up high msAA, but i do understand your POV
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price already confirm or not ?
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 11 2013, 10:18 AM)
Many of the 260X now are pre-OCed.
Btw for Display memory topic, 1G vs 2G really do have the different when the time you bump up high msAA, but i do understand your POV
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yes, only when u hit pass 1920x1080, otherwise 1GB is kinda sufficient "for now". I am not sure about the future PS4/XboxOne console port tho. Might be diff there.

highest pre-OCed is Asus 1188/7000. I am waiting to see how much it cost, Sapphire OCed is already RM500-535, looks like it will be near RM600 range for Asus, not much hope sweat.gif

Sapphire 260x is 1150/6600, not much higher than Asus 1075/6400 7790.
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so ive been using an oldoldoldold nvida gtx 260+... bout time for an upgrade..

ive been considering either r7 260 or r9 270... or their older counterparts, 7850/7790.. coz thats around my budget.

My question is, how big is mantle? I will certainly play BF4 when it comes out, and i wonder how big of a deal mantle is.. is it worth to pay more for the r9 270 and get it?
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QUOTE(james2306 @ Oct 11 2013, 10:35 AM)
so ive been using an oldoldoldold nvida gtx 260+... bout time for an upgrade..

ive been considering either r7 260 or r9 270... or their older counterparts, 7850/7790.. coz thats around my budget.

My question is, how big is mantle? I will certainly play BF4 when it comes out, and i wonder how big of a deal mantle is..  is it worth to pay more for the r9 270 and get it?
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get the 256bit card, 270X.

mantle is going to be big enough that u ignore Nvidia. My logic is DICE is not stupid to code Bf4 mantle 2years just for mini 5% increase performance. my prediction? at least 10-20% bonus if u run mantle over DirectX.

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Just placed an order on R9-280X Vapor-X, arriving next week, hopefully it's worth it after burning a big hole in my pocket.
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QUOTE(meons @ Oct 11 2013, 12:16 AM)
My wallet feel so light looking that that beauty. drool.gif

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:07 AM)
as said. OC is all about Lottery. sometimes you get golden, some lemon and some normal chip.
in my case i able to push another 150mhz into core clock on top of that fc oc'ed vapor-x.
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+1 Although some high end series like Lightning/Matrix Plat get better binned chip but you can still get lemon from those.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.
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Between the same model of cards, every one of them are different. I have seen really bad and really good Vapor-X before, and their serial numbers are back to back some more. Do not depend on reviews, ultimately it is your luck.

Not to forget, start with GPU-Z ASIC value is rule of my sore thumb.

QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 11 2013, 09:43 AM)
I guess Sapphire usually offer the lowest price among other brands right? I think I'm gonna place my order today. Asked a few seller and hikari still gave the best deal, 1139 for R9-280X Vapor-X.
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Sapphire in Malaysia is cheapest, thanks to our importer and distributor.
Other brands are more expensive, also thanks to the importers, or lack of them.

Normally, I compare price in US sites like Amazon and Newegg.
Example, MSI WF3 is cheaper than Vapor-X, but more expensive in Malaysia. So, naturally I buy Vapor-X. thumbup.gif

At the moment, even Newegg don't have R9-280X pricing... Malaysians get it first!!!
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
Just placed an order on R9-280X Vapor-X, arriving next week, hopefully it's worth it after burning a big hole in my pocket.
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now, lets head to AMD/Intel CPU thread and get you a 4C8T or 8C cpu for bf4 brows.gif
head up to BF4 thread as i posted info about CPU utilization on BF4. it will helps you to manage your future upgrade and $$
n let us wait for window 8.1 release as well biggrin.gif

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Thanks...
Seems with a TOP END GPU, you'll need a tier-2 CPU to match it.
I wonder how would

These, or anything lesser, will cause a bottleneck:
Core-i3
FX-6xxx
FX-4xxx

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:45 AM)
a good better higher average FPS  thumbup.gif

Btw, here's some comparison on BF 4 Beta CPU Utilization. Might give some info to those that want to upgrade their rig for BF 4. (like me, but holding horse till after OR as the yes-terday patch did great for me)
No wonder my 6 core getting push to constant above 90%.

Bench on 64p Conquest SOS
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Holy freaking smokes!!!

The SAPPHIRE TOXIC R9 280X system requirement... 750 Watt PSU?!

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...sn=&lid=1&leg=0
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QUOTE(antaras @ Oct 11 2013, 12:00 PM)
Holy freaking smokes!!!

The SAPPHIRE TOXIC R9 280X system requirement... 750 Watt PSU?!

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...sn=&lid=1&leg=0
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I've been using 850W modular PSU for years already Lol. 750W is like really nothing..
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QUOTE(siles1991 @ Oct 11 2013, 01:00 AM)
I wish I had to buy my new PC this year instead of last year T.T Would have been able to get the 280X but now stuck with 7950 T.T 280X looks so snazzzzzzzy
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just get a 7950 to CF, that's the enthusiast sweet spot anyways
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 11:58 AM)
Thanks...
Seems with a TOP END GPU, you'll need a tier-2 CPU to match it.
I wonder how would

These, or anything lesser, will cause a bottleneck:
Core-i3
FX-6xxx
FX-4xxx
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i think so. for fx-6xxx series = 6 core, you can compare it with fx-8350 on the FPS chart.
there is around 15fps and above different. rclxub.gif and for 8 core, it utilize quite well across all. mayb more performance to come during OR. what we seens is juz a bump from yesterday patch.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 11:58 AM)
Thanks...
Seems with a TOP END GPU, you'll need a tier-2 CPU to match it.

These, or anything lesser, will cause a bottleneck:
Core-i3
FX-6xxx
FX-4xxx
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I tried my friend's 3rd gen i3 with my 7950 rig and i can feel it choking a little bit when playing BF3 MP and overclocking my GPU to 1160 doesn't boost the FPS that much. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 11 2013, 12:35 PM)
I tried my friend's 3rd gen i3 with my 7950 rig and i can feel it choking a little bit when playing BF3 MP and overclocking my GPU to 1160 doesn't boost the FPS that much. hmm.gif
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also. window 8 offer better performance. win 7 did have alot of stuttering n etc compare to win 8.

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Battlefield 4 Beta Performance: 16 Graphics Cards, Benchmarked

For completeness. tongue.gif

2GB cards like gtx770 suffers, best to think about getting 280X.


EDIT: article also got CPU benchmark

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 12:41 PM)
also. window 8 offer better performance. win 7 did have alot of stuttering n etc compare to win 8.
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I barely noticed any stutter when i'm using my proc though.
Gonna upgrade to Win 8 to compare BF4 performance with DX11, DX11.1 and mantle. drool.gif
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that toxic card does look wonderful, at 1.2K not too bad huh

but need a new psu new almost everything to accompany this powderful card, pocket also hole like that sad.gif
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Anyone can comment regarding the combination of Athlon II X4 620 + Sapphire ATi 7870 DualX 2GB?
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Anyone can comment regarding the combination of Athlon II X4 620 + Sapphire ATi 7870 DualX 2GB?
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you are using it or you are plan to do upgrade to the 7870 DualX?
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you are using it or you are plan to do upgrade to the 7870 DualX?
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Hi,

Possibly plan to use that combination for latest gaming. Any concern that I should take a note? Athlon II x4 still a quad core even its relatively old, so I think that won't be a major problem..
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 11 2013, 12:53 PM)
that toxic card does look wonderful, at 1.2K not too bad huh

but need a new psu new almost everything to accompany this powderful card, pocket also hole like that sad.gif
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That also worried me,..I have corsair gs 600w, try to google and read review but non of it mention minimum req psu for sapphire 280x toxic

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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 11 2013, 01:33 PM)
That also worried me,..I have corsair gs 600w, try to google and read review but non of it mention minimum req psu for sapphire 280x toxic
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Ya, me too. The info I got is from Sapphire's website. At least 750W... sad.gif
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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 11 2013, 01:33 PM)
That also worried me,..I have corsair gs 600w, try to google and read review but non of it mention minimum req psu for sapphire 280x toxic
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QUOTE(antaras @ Oct 11 2013, 01:44 PM)
Ya, me too. The info I got is from Sapphire's website. At least 750W...  sad.gif
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Power consumption is similar to 7970 Ghz so 550w-600w is more than enough imo although 280x Toxic does have max PowerTune value of +50.

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^Furmark powerdraw is Crazy rclxub.gif Luckily i did not play it much.
QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
Battlefield 4 Beta Performance: 16 Graphics Cards, Benchmarked

For completeness. tongue.gif

2GB cards like gtx770 suffers, best to think about getting 280X.
EDIT: article also got CPU benchmark
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The benchie is good as it include the few top cards from each side, but i hope they include another bench with MSAA turned off. its taking the toll.

good hint on what CPU you should need at which graphic preset.
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The good news is that a fairly inexpensive [B]Core i3 or FX-4000-series CPU could be fast enough to handle the High preset without capping graphics performance. If you want to play at the Ultra preset, grab a Core i5 or FX-6000-class processor at the very least.[/B]


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If I use R9-280X then my processor will bottleneck? sad.gif
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 11 2013, 02:01 PM)
If I use R9-280X then my processor will bottleneck? sad.gif
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iinm, the simple way to test BNC is to overclock your cpu.
test it at stock clock 1st, then another test with OC. let say 3.5ghz (oc) vs stock. and see whether got fps/score different anot.
IMO, there is a bnc, but how great, not sure. and atm, don't worry so much till BF 4 OR release. coz this where the final version 1.0 been release. hence there should be much more performance tuning to come.

i may wrong on bottleneck. take it with a pinch of salt. blush.gif
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I'm still doubt if superflower HX500W can run the card? Quite worry about it as I just bought the psu for one week(just done set up the rig then sold off the gpu) sad.gif
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 11 2013, 02:05 PM)
I'm still doubt if superflower HX500W can run the card? Quite worry about it as I just bought the psu for one week(just done set up the rig then sold off the gpu) sad.gif
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Which card? toxic? should be able to run without much problem. and it is a 80 Gold certified. mayb don't oc your gpu n cpu too heavy. neway, if its not able to support, your pc will shutdown the moment you game.

btw, cheap but effective ways to further cool down you gpu. my idle drop around 5C and load by 5C-10C (BF 4/3, Firemark.) now max temp stress by FM is at 68C thumbup.gif total additional cost RM90 (1 fan bracket + 2 xigmatek fan) - might be myth but thats how better it has to my gc temp. smile.gif
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Rm30 only for the bracket.
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Guys,

need help

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic or Asus R9 270X DC 2 Top..

man, got headache to chose
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Guys,

need help

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic or Asus R9 270X DC 2 Top..

man, got headache to chose
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I choose TOXIC rclxm9.gif
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I choose TOXIC  rclxm9.gif
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more reply plsssssssssssssssssssss
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QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 02:08 PM)
Guys,

need help

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic or Asus R9 270X DC 2 Top..

man, got headache to chose
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Read this...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sap...-toxic-review/6

"With that said while this isn’t necessarily a head-to-head article between the 280X Toxic and the Asus 280X DirectCU II TOP, it’s a logical comparison we have to make given the fact that both are factory overclocked 280X cards shooting for strong out of the box performance. For gaming workloads the 280X Toxic cleanly and clearly beats the Asus card here by a meaningful performance amount. However Asus is absolutely a spoiler here due to their aggressive pricing and their very quiet cooler. Their 280X DCUII TOP can’t match the Toxic, but it’s $40 cheaper and over 5dB quieter. Consequently if all you want is the fastest 280X on the market then Sapphire’s 280X Toxic is clearly the card to get, otherwise the Asus card is worth a consideration for its better price/performance ratio and cooling performance. As is almost always the case for factory overclocked cards there is a price to pay for the very fastest card, both in literal cost and in power and acoustics."
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QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 02:08 PM)
Guys,

need help

Sapphire R9 270X Toxic or Asus R9 270X DC 2 Top..

man, got headache to chose
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Both are good.
I'd go for a cheaper one unless there's one feature you really want on the card which the other doesn't have.
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QUOTE(josephting @ Oct 11 2013, 02:13 PM)
Both are good.
I'd go for a cheaper one unless there's one feature you really want on the card which the other doesn't have.
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2yr vs 3 yr warranty. depends on user peace of mind. lower $$ spent or better peace on 3 yr usage. smile.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:15 PM)
2yr vs 3 yr warranty. depends on user peace of mind. lower $$ spent or better peace on 3 yr usage.  smile.gif
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Asus Offer 3 years right?
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QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 02:16 PM)
Asus Offer 3 years right?
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Yeap. if you do not chg your gpu often, 3 yrs is better. also, asus(gay/msi) has higher resale value due to the additional 1 yr warranty.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:07 PM)
Which card? toxic? should be able to run without much problem. and it is a 80 Gold certified. mayb don't oc your gpu n cpu too heavy. neway, if its not able to support, your pc will shutdown the moment you game.

btw, cheap but effective ways to further cool down you gpu. my idle drop around 5C and load by 5C-10C (BF 4/3, Firemark.) now max temp stress by FM is at 68C  thumbup.gif total additional cost RM90 (1 fan bracket + 2 xigmatek fan) - might be myth but thats how better it has to my gc temp. smile.gif
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Rm30 only for the bracket.
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Wow that's interesting smile.gif thanks a lot for the tips dude smile.gif
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QUOTE(antaras @ Oct 11 2013, 02:12 PM)
Read this...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sap...-toxic-review/6

"With that said while this isn’t necessarily a head-to-head article between the 280X Toxic and the Asus 280X DirectCU II TOP, it’s a logical comparison we have to make given the fact that both are factory overclocked 280X cards shooting for strong out of the box performance. For gaming workloads the 280X Toxic cleanly and clearly beats the Asus card here by a meaningful performance amount. However Asus is absolutely a spoiler here due to their aggressive pricing and their very quiet cooler. Their 280X DCUII TOP can’t match the Toxic, but it’s $40 cheaper and over 5dB quieter. Consequently if all you want is the fastest 280X on the market then Sapphire’s 280X Toxic is clearly the card to get, otherwise the Asus card is worth a consideration for its better price/performance ratio and cooling performance. As is almost always the case for factory overclocked cards there is a price to pay for the very fastest card, both in literal cost and in power and acoustics."
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Dude,how about the GIGABYTE R9 280X 3X windforce?
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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 11 2013, 02:19 PM)
Wow that's interesting smile.gif thanks a lot for the tips dude smile.gif
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Np, sharing is caring especially to poor fag like us that can't do WC or getting Arctic WC.
you can get this bracket from GS - infernoaswen
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:22 PM)
Np, sharing is caring especially to poor fag like us that can't do WC or getting Arctic WC.
you can get this bracket from GS - infernoaswen
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Wow thanks, i was looking for that bracket before.
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more reply plsssssssssssssssssssss
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i suggest this:


Less than RM850

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My HD 6850 is failing randomly lately and I'm thinking of getting a replacement with current R200 series.
If my current card isn't acting up, I'd prefer to wait until next gen before considering an upgrade.

Need some recommendation with which card to get considering I'm a 1080p gamer who appreciate game details and has a budget of around 1k (preferably sub 1k).

I have a family PC which my bro game usually and it's running HD 4670. I'm thinking of getting a R7 260X to replace my HD 6850 that's with minor hiccup randomly while waiting for next Radeon card and then throwing R7 260X to my family pc replacing that HD 4670 and getting a new one myself which is closer to R9 280X in terms of performance.

What do you guys think?

Anyway, what's up with R9 280 and R9 270 non X?
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i suggest this:


Less than RM850
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Sure, but when Gigabyte Card will arrive.

My pc is Graphic Card less now..
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Sure, but when Gigabyte Card will arrive.

My pc is Graphic Card less now..
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we got it already laugh.gif
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Should I get the 280x toxic or a matrix 7970 platinum?
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^Keep calm and wait for 290 biggrin.gif Might be a better buy due to TrueAudio+Game Bundle+Not a "Refresh"
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QUOTE(BrianLai @ Oct 11 2013, 04:02 PM)
^Keep calm and wait for 290 biggrin.gif Might be a better buy due to TrueAudio+Game Bundle+Not a "Refresh"
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Truee.. I can't believe they didnt include TrueAudio for the 280x
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what are the requirement for simcity (2013) when come to GPU?
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more reply plsssssssssssssssssssss
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QUOTE(antaras @ Oct 11 2013, 02:12 PM)
If for me, using the card with stock BIOS setting (clock, memspeed, core voltage, fan profile) is a waste of money.
Get one with the best hardware, and tune the card to your preference.

My take: Sap-Toxic, ASUS DC2T, Giga WF3, then other Sapphire.

Toxic: Seems like pre-selected 'better' core, with more VRM, better hardware and extra cooling.
DC2T and WF3: Superb cooling. Can re-profile the fan to do even better.
Vapor-X or Twin-X: performance same, just that Twin-X BIOS is lousier with lesser hardware monitor.

No experience with MSI.

Price wise, refer to my earlier post about Sapphire being more expensive in US, vs the other way around in Malaysia.
ASUS is always 2.5 slot design, so be warned.
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ASUS DC2T fan RPM only runs up to 50+% at peak temp, vs Sapphire one following the GPU temp, aka 70C = 70%.

If you tweak the fan profile to force ASUS DC2T to run according to GPU temp, you will see how much better it is having the Direct Copper thing.
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ASUS pricelist it seems rclxm9.gif
R9-280X-P-3GD5 MATRIX - RM1499
R9-280X-DC2T-3GD5 ------ RM1299
R9-270X-DC2T-2GD5 ------ RM859

R7-260X-DC2OC-2GD5 - RM589
R7-250-1GD5 - RM349
R7-240-2GD3 - RM269

Compare Sapphire rclxm9.gif
R9-280X Toxic ----- RM1289
R9-280X Vapor-X - RM1229
R9-280X Twin-X --- RM1159

R7-270X Toxic --------- RM889
R7-270X Vapor-X ----- RM839
R7-270X Dual-X ------- RM759
R7-270X Dual-X 4GB - RM869

R7-260-2GD5 - RM539
R7-250-1GD5 - RM379
R7-250-2GD3 - RM369
R7-240-1GD5 - RM329
R7-240-2GD3 - RM319

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Adui. Why is Asus always so exp
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 05:28 PM)
ASUS pricelist it seems rclxm9.gif
R9-280X-P-3GD5 MATRIX - RM1499
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nice price..
cfx setup RM2998 hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Zzorro @ Oct 11 2013, 06:18 PM)
nice price..
cfx setup RM2998 hmm.gif
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a bit cheaper than asus 7970 matrix platinum cf
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oh man...
think a good idea to do a crossfire with r7-270x.... price is tempting...
but one think i hate bout crossfire.. i dunno the solution to scale assassin creed 3 properly...
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that Asus 260x price...... sorry man I am not going buy 260x lol
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 04:28 PM)
ASUS pricelist it seems rclxm9.gif
R9-280X-P-3GD5 MATRIX - RM1499
R9-280X-DC2T-3GD5 ------ RM1299
R9-270X-DC2T-2GD5 ------ RM859

R7-260X-DC2OC-2GD5 - RM589
R7-250-1GD5 - RM349
R7-240-2GD3 - RM269

Compare Sapphire rclxm9.gif
R9-280X Toxic ----- RM1289
R9-280X Vapor-X - RM1229
R9-280X Twin-X --- RM1159

R7-270X Toxic --------- RM889
R7-270X Vapor-X ----- RM839
R7-270X Dual-X ------- RM759
R7-270X Dual-X 4GB - RM869

R7-260-2GD5 - RM539
R7-250-1GD5 - RM379
R7-250-2GD3 - RM369
R7-240-1GD5 - RM329
R7-240-2GD3 - RM319
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Wow, toxic still the better choice
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I advise we all need to cool our heels leh... just a few more days.

290x could be USD499 or USD550. shocking.gif

290... drool.gif

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QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 11 2013, 11:46 PM)
I advise we all need to cool our heels leh... just a few more days.

290x could be USD499 or USD550.  shocking.gif

290...  drool.gif

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It'll probably inflate when it reaches Malaysian market. cry.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:07 PM)
Which card? toxic? should be able to run without much problem. and it is a 80 Gold certified. mayb don't oc your gpu n cpu too heavy. neway, if its not able to support, your pc will shutdown the moment you game.

btw, cheap but effective ways to further cool down you gpu. my idle drop around 5C and load by 5C-10C (BF 4/3, Firemark.) now max temp stress by FM is at 68C  thumbup.gif total additional cost RM90 (1 fan bracket + 2 xigmatek fan) - might be myth but thats how better it has to my gc temp. smile.gif
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are you blowing the fan or using it to pull?
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QUOTE(siles1991 @ Oct 12 2013, 01:17 AM)
are you blowing the fan or using it to pull?
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of course is blow. if pull will be contradict with the gpu fan sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 12 2013, 08:02 AM)
of course is blow. if pull will be contradict with the gpu fan  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I thought usually it's one blow and one pull? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 12 2013, 08:20 AM)
I thought usually it's one blow and one pull? biggrin.gif
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nah. blow all the way to top/back for exhaust. don't care cpu heat since its so much lower than gpu temp tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 12 2013, 09:47 AM)
nah. blow all the way to top/back for exhaust. don't care cpu heat since its so much lower than gpu temp  tongue.gif
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Where did you get those brackets from? I'm gonna do it, card's been resetting when temp reaches 80 sad.gif
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A very good point stated in the beginning. "GTX770 is basically the same as GTX680, but it did not allow SLI on each other while you can do CF of R280X & 7970". A good buy for these 7970 owner? smile.gif
QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 12 2013, 03:24 PM)
Where did you get those brackets from? I'm gonna do it, card's been resetting when temp reaches 80 sad.gif
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infernoswen icon_rolleyes.gif
he's a wcer and modder too.

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So guys rather than taking R7-260x better take HD 7870? Any price cut for HD 7870?
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280x gaming from msi and its not with brown pcb?? finally huh??!!
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 10 2013, 03:27 PM)
Sapphire R9 270X Toxic with Boost 3GB GDDR5 384BIT RM889 , Promo @ RM829*
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Is it 3gb or 2gb?
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Is it 3gb or 2gb?
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2GB. Typo i guess. I don't think its worth it since 7950 Dual-X just RM100 away and perform much better.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 13 2013, 02:50 AM)
2GB. Typo i guess. I don't think its worth it since 7950 Dual-X just RM100 away and perform much better.
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I'm sorry but which model?

edit : sorry only see 7950 tongue.gif

So if I were to take 7950, will it boost BF4?

p/s: noobie here biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 13 2013, 03:02 AM)
I'm sorry but which model?

edit : sorry only see 7950 tongue.gif

So if I were to take 7950, will it boost BF4?

p/s: noobie here biggrin.gif
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Don't really quite get what u mean. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 13 2013, 03:09 AM)
Don't really quite get what u mean. tongue.gif
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Because I was told that BF4 has partnership with AMD, plus the mantle feature it will benefit when it updates and compatitable with mantle making it much better than others. unsure.gif unsure.gif

edit : oh oh I think it meant by all amd gpu's are related with mantle right? biggrin.gif

But it's an older version no? unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 13 2013, 03:09 AM)
Don't really quite get what u mean. tongue.gif
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You mean this model?

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but, it's 5000mhz effective whereas toxic's is 6000mhz

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 13 2013, 03:11 AM)
Because I was told that BF4 has partnership with AMD, plus the mantle feature it will benefit when it updates and compatitable with mantle making it much better than others. unsure.gif unsure.gif

edit : oh oh I think it meant by all amd gpu's are related with mantle right? biggrin.gif

But it's an older version no? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 13 2013, 03:52 AM)
You mean this model?
but, it's 5000mhz effective whereas toxic's is 6000mhz
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That one is around RM1k and 270x ram memory bus only 256bit compare to 384bit in 7950.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 13 2013, 03:54 AM)
Yes, according to Dice and AMD. I'm still reserving judgment until official review is out. All AMD GCN graphic card can use Mantle. You still need a good CPU for BF4.
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Is this CPU good enough? unsure.gif

AMD FX 6300 3.8GHz

And you're referring to which 7950 if I may know?
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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 13 2013, 05:33 AM)
Is this CPU good enough? unsure.gif

AMD FX 6300 3.8GHz

And you're referring to which 7950 if I may know?
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This one.
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ASUS pricelist it seems rclxm9.gif
R9-280X-P-3GD5 MATRIX - RM1499
R9-280X-DC2T-3GD5 ------ RM1299
R9-270X-DC2T-2GD5 ------ RM859

R7-260X-DC2OC-2GD5 - RM589
R7-250-1GD5 - RM349
R7-240-2GD3 - RM269

Compare Sapphire rclxm9.gif
R9-280X Toxic ----- RM1289
R9-280X Vapor-X - RM1229
R9-280X Twin-X --- RM1159

R7-270X Toxic --------- RM889
R7-270X Vapor-X ----- RM839
R7-270X Dual-X ------- RM759
R7-270X Dual-X 4GB - RM869

R7-260-2GD5 - RM539
R7-250-1GD5 - RM379
R7-250-2GD3 - RM369
R7-240-1GD5 - RM329
R7-240-2GD3 - RM319
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That 280X Matrix... drool.gif Same price as a 770 AMP!, but with Matrix treatment... brows.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 13 2013, 12:49 PM)
That 280X Matrix... drool.gif  Same price as a 770 AMP!, but with Matrix treatment... brows.gif
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the slot eating beast  brows.gif massive heatsink
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...and massive size as well...  Prepare your casing man... brows.gif
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another slot eater card inside my casing now, gtx 780 lightning  doh.gif planning to join the r9-200 series bandwagon and put it on my gf pc  laugh.gif
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What spec is your GF PC?  Ada pics of your GF? brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
Your casing? tongue.gif
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my casing aero x-predator x1, mid range pc sweat.gif
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I've been googling about r9 290x and when its gonna release but still not confirm anything yet.. if r9 780x basically its the same as my 7970.. It can even crossfire with 7970.. for now its wait n see for me.. biggrin.gif
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can 750w psu support 7950 overclock??


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QUOTE(roimekoi @ Oct 13 2013, 05:54 PM)
can 750w psu support 7950 overclock??
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 04:28 PM)
ASUS pricelist it seems rclxm9.gif
R9-280X-P-3GD5 MATRIX - RM1499
R9-280X-DC2T-3GD5 ------ RM1299
R9-270X-DC2T-2GD5 ------ RM859

R7-260X-DC2OC-2GD5 - RM589
R7-250-1GD5 - RM349
R7-240-2GD3 - RM269

Compare Sapphire rclxm9.gif
R9-280X Toxic ----- RM1289
R9-280X Vapor-X - RM1229
R9-280X Twin-X --- RM1159

R7-270X Toxic --------- RM889
R7-270X Vapor-X ----- RM839
R7-270X Dual-X ------- RM759
R7-270X Dual-X 4GB - RM869

R7-260-2GD5 - RM539
R7-250-1GD5 - RM379
R7-250-2GD3 - RM369
R7-240-1GD5 - RM329
R7-240-2GD3 - RM319
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R9-280X Toxic and MATRIX come with custom PCB or stock PCB?
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R9-280X Toxic  and MATRIX come with custom PCB or stock PCB?
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QUOTE(kayFX @ Oct 13 2013, 01:05 PM)
I've been googling about r9 290x and when its gonna release but still not confirm anything yet.. if r9 780x basically its the same as my 7970.. It can even crossfire with 7970.. for now its wait n see for me.. biggrin.gif
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780x?? shocking.gif

yes 280x is just a powered up 7970.. they can even crossfire
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 13 2013, 09:41 PM)
hmm toxic n matrix never use reference pcb eh?
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 13 2013, 09:43 PM)
780x?? shocking.gif

yes 280x is just a powered up 7970.. they can even crossfire
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lol the new naming sometimes make me typo.. 280x is what i meant.. tongue.gif
7970 matrix now rm1399 only.. R9 280x matrix rm1499.. blink.gif

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QUOTE(skycrawler @ Oct 13 2013, 08:22 PM)
R9-280X Toxic  and MATRIX come with custom PCB or stock PCB?
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Both are using custom PCB.
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R9 280X Vapor-X OC now with blackplate brows.gif brows.gif
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/07/amds-r9-280x-preview/
http://www.eteknix.com/sapphire-amd-radeon...-card-review/2/

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BTW, rumors are spreading... R9 290x sells @599USD!!?
Too good to be true???
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-877332-1-1.html
(chinese site)

here is the price news from fudzilla.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32802-eu...awaii-pro-cards

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 14 2013, 08:59 PM)
BTW, rumors are spreading... R9 290x sells @599USD!!?
Too good to be true???
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-877332-1-1.html
(chinese site)

here is the price news from fudzilla.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32802-eu...awaii-pro-cards
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what about people who pre-ordered the 290x b4 bundled at 700USD, refunds? hmm.gif
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R9-290X disassembly took place.

7.1B transistor its seems. hmm.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/192491/r...aken-apart.html

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QUOTE(mavezai1984 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:10 PM)
R9-290X disassembly took place.

7.1B transistor its seems. hmm.gif

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/192491/r...aken-apart.html
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My ASUS R9-280X arriving this thursday biggrin.gif

Guess I gotta hold on my CPU upgrade, awaits if AMD release Steamroller desktop processors. Maybe I could start with upgrading my mobo to AM3+ ones first.
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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Oct 14 2013, 09:06 PM)
what about people who pre-ordered the 290x b4 bundled at 700USD, refunds?  hmm.gif
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BF4 edition is the limited edition.. May be this is the reason which charged at 700usd.
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Hi everyone, i m not sure is it the right place to ask about AMD CPU since most of the post i seen are about GPU only. Anyway, i would like to ask for your AMD expert opinion or piece of advices. Has anyone using AMD FX-8350 processor? Because i would like to save up my budget on buying Intel processor, so i was thinking to buy

AMD FX-8350 [RM665]
Power Color R9-280x [RM1049]
motherboard ASRock N68C-GS FX AMD AM3+ mATX Mainboard [RM138]

So far, has any1 faced any issue using this AMD processor? becos i never buy any AMD processor before, would like to hear some proposition before i make my final decision. Peace and thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(djronzai @ Oct 14 2013, 10:24 PM)
Hi everyone, i m not sure is it the right place to ask about AMD CPU since most of the post i seen are about GPU only. Anyway, i would like to ask for your AMD expert opinion or piece of advices. Has anyone using AMD FX-8350 processor? Because i would like to save up my budget on buying Intel processor, so i was thinking to buy

AMD FX-8350 [RM665]
Power Color R9-280x [RM1049]
motherboard ASRock N68C-GS FX AMD AM3+ mATX Mainboard [RM138]

So far, has any1 faced any issue using this AMD processor? becos i never buy any AMD processor before, would like to hear some proposition before i make my final decision. Peace and thanks  smile.gif
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Heck no with that board:
http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-moth...m-info-database
The VRMs may not be able to handle it...
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QUOTE(djronzai @ Oct 14 2013, 10:24 PM)
Hi everyone, i m not sure is it the right place to ask about AMD CPU since most of the post i seen are about GPU only. Anyway, i would like to ask for your AMD expert opinion or piece of advices. Has anyone using AMD FX-8350 processor? Because i would like to save up my budget on buying Intel processor, so i was thinking to buy

AMD FX-8350 [RM665]
Power Color R9-280x [RM1049]
motherboard ASRock N68C-GS FX AMD AM3+ mATX Mainboard [RM138]

So far, has any1 faced any issue using this AMD processor? becos i never buy any AMD processor before, would like to hear some proposition before i make my final decision. Peace and thanks  smile.gif
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I suggest u grab the Asus Sabertooth 990FX mobo ~RM600, it comes with extra 2 years warranty definitely worth it and it is extra reliable. That Asrock board is kinda bad.
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why is Asrock board bad?

I'm using them, ok also.
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why is Asrock board bad?

I'm using them, ok also.
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Me too. I have an ASRock Z77 Pro4-M with an overclocked i5... Seems working pretty fine so far... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 14 2013, 10:29 PM)
Heck no with that board:
http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-moth...m-info-database
The VRMs may not be able to handle it...
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So what do you suggest? i dont feel like spending too much on mainboard....

QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 14 2013, 10:32 PM)
I suggest u grab the Asus Sabertooth 990FX mobo ~RM600, it comes with extra 2 years warranty definitely worth it and it is extra reliable. That Asrock board is kinda bad.
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ASROCK motherboard cheap and reliable what, last time i owned 1, still work perfectly fine, RM600 for a motherboard... is overkill for me..... can u suggest another motherboard that are below rm300?
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QUOTE(djronzai @ Oct 14 2013, 10:24 PM)
Hi everyone, i m not sure is it the right place to ask about AMD CPU since most of the post i seen are about GPU only. Anyway, i would like to ask for your AMD expert opinion or piece of advices. Has anyone using AMD FX-8350 processor? Because i would like to save up my budget on buying Intel processor, so i was thinking to buy

AMD FX-8350 [RM665]
Power Color R9-280x [RM1049]
motherboard ASRock N68C-GS FX AMD AM3+ mATX Mainboard [RM138]

So far, has any1 faced any issue using this AMD processor? becos i never buy any AMD processor before, would like to hear some proposition before i make my final decision. Peace and thanks  smile.gif
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Bad combo on the CPU+board, get 8320 and up the budget of your board.. MSI 990FXA-GD65 maybe?
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Bad combo on the CPU+board, get 8320 and up the budget of your board.. MSI 990FXA-GD65 maybe?
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Sabertooth better... brows.gif
...or the ASUS M5A99X EVO... Though it's only x8 x8 at PCI-E 2.0... (CFX/SLI setups)
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Thx for all the reply guys... but what about this motherboard

ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 AMD AM3+ ATX Mainboard [RM205], i have to save up the budget on buying the R9 280x...
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anyone know when msi version of r9 270x to hit malaysia store?

i choose msi for their low temperature.


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QUOTE(djronzai @ Oct 14 2013, 10:52 PM)
Thx for all the reply guys... but what about this motherboard

ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 AMD AM3+ ATX Mainboard [RM205], i have to save up the budget on buying the R9 280x...
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sweat.gif this motherboard have isuee with FX proc facing overheat around area cpu cooler on website got * * For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design.
need install aftermaket cooler.

FX proc is hot cpu the cheap mobo can handle FX proc with no isuee mybe from gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 (rev. 4.0) RM460
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4672#ov
(rev. 4.0) is less isuee than other rev
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or msi 990FXA-GD65 RM409, Promo RM3XX
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD65.html
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 14 2013, 10:46 PM)
Sabertooth better... brows.gif
...or the ASUS M5A99X EVO... Though it's only x8 x8 at PCI-E 2.0... (CFX/SLI setups)
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Budget bro budget. tongue.gif

x8 x8 is fine, but M5A99X is almost RM100 more expensive than 990FXA-GD65 and not a whole lot better.

QUOTE(djronzai @ Oct 14 2013, 10:52 PM)
Thx for all the reply guys... but what about this motherboard

ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 AMD AM3+ ATX Mainboard [RM205], i have to save up the budget on buying the R9 280x...
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Sry i don't have much experience about buying mainboard. My stand is firm, FX8320+990FXA-GD65. tongue.gif

QUOTE(-bLiZZarD- @ Oct 14 2013, 11:02 PM)
anyone know when msi version of r9 270x to hit malaysia store?

i choose msi for their low temperature.
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Does that mean other brand have high temperature? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 14 2013, 10:44 PM)
Bad combo on the CPU+board, get 8320 and up the budget of your board.. MSI 990FXA-GD65 maybe?
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Is it really no difference between 8350 and 8320? I heard 8350 are those better chips, 8320 usually lose out in OC etc like a bad batch of 8350 which they make into 8320.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 14 2013, 11:12 PM)
Budget bro budget. tongue.gif

x8 x8 is fine, but M5A99X is almost RM100 more expensive than 990FXA-GD65 and not a whole lot better.
Sry i don't have much experience about buying mainboard. My stand is firm, FX8320+990FXA-GD65. tongue.gif
Does that mean other brand have high temperature? laugh.gif
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by reading from this article,

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail...9-270x-hawk/16/

msi are slightly cooler and have lower noise too. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(-bLiZZarD- @ Oct 14 2013, 11:21 PM)
by reading from this article,

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail...9-270x-hawk/16/

msi are slightly cooler and have lower noise too.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 14 2013, 11:23 PM)
Y not check the sapphire toxic... huhuhu
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 14 2013, 11:15 PM)
Is it really no difference between 8350 and 8320? I heard 8350 are those better chips, 8320 usually lose out in OC etc like a bad batch of 8350 which they make into 8320.
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There is a difference but not really noticeable. Indeed FX8350 is a better binned chip so you can overclock higher than FX8320 but YMMV and yes, that is how they make chip. Failed 7970 became 7950 and failed 7950 became 7870XT.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 14 2013, 11:41 PM)
There is a difference but not really noticeable. Indeed FX8350 is a better binned chip so you can overclock higher than FX8320 but YMMV and yes, that is how they make chip. Failed 7970 became 7950 and failed 7950 became 7870XT.
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QUOTE(meons @ Oct 14 2013, 11:07 PM)
sweat.gif this motherboard have isuee with  FX proc   facing overheat  around area cpu cooler  on website  got *  * For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design.
need install aftermaket cooler.

FX proc is hot cpu    the cheap mobo can handle FX proc  with no isuee mybe from gigabyte  GA-990FXA-UD3 (rev. 4.0) RM460
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-pa...spx?pid=4672#ov
(rev. 4.0) is less isuee than other rev
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hmm.gif A quick Google search found that this board is plagued by VRM overheating issues...
Update: Looks like the rev 4 version may not be affected, though.

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The new launch date

My yesterday’s post about the launch date caused a huge misunderstanding on multiple forums. So let me rephrase what I wanted to say and hopefully this will clear things a bit. The R9 290X will not launch tomorrow, instead it will launch around October 24th, while R9 290 should arrive on October 31st (both dates are just rumors, but a very good ones).

I was also told that October 15th, which was an NDA date in the slides leaked by Donanim Haber (and no, we didn’t made that up), was just a milestone, which was later updated by AMD during the GPU 14 event. Apparently they didn’t update it on time and it somehow made its way to the web. So technically it was postponed, but AMD will just say it was never meant to be launched on this date. Instead they will just claim it’s right on track and the schedule has not changed (of course it didn’t, but we never learned the official launch date).



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FX8350 power consumption: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/0...x-8350-review/7

Gigabyte VRM burn problem, killing the CPU, too: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/...x-8350-cpu.aspx
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Please do not say that 'oh, I don't plan to overclock, so this won't happen to me...'. You need to know such things can happen, and in some cases, you cannot claim warranty because got burn mark. Even if you claim innocence from doing any sorts of overclocking.

One more thing, this is super off-topic.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 15 2013, 12:24 AM)
hmm.gif A quick Google search found that this board is plagued by VRM overheating issues...
Update:  Looks like the rev 4 version may not be affected, though.
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While everyone talking about Mantle going to be awesome, but there isn't any statistic showing about how much gain we going to have.

Talking about CPU, I'm a programmer guy, and I'm unsure that why they mention CPU on this kind of graphic API. From what I can assume is that usually library aka API have some task to be done by CPU before offloading and when result come back in certain format, it need to decode and return the result in the format the developer wanted. In this case, I'm just saying this CPU thing won't be like a whole lot great deal, perhaps they utilise multi-threading when doing all these conversion or the graphic card low level itself requires much lesser conversion to be done. For common wrapper like DirectX, they usually have their own object class for certain format because they need to be a universal one so it can be shared among other platform card. I'm still waiting for some statistic before confirming on this but the card is built to cater this API, so it isn't the API which is awesome but like they said if they can cover up DirectX object conversion and extra handling then it will be great. Still remember it's hardware specific and unless it's similar to OpenGl/DirectX interface, developers might not be so interested to port over.
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why is Asrock board bad?

I'm using them, ok also.
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because that particular Asrock board does not support 125w FX CPU?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68C-GS%20FX/?cat=CPU

u want him to try to blow his mobo ar? lol

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 15 2013, 01:30 AM)
While everyone talking about Mantle going to be awesome, but there isn't any statistic showing about how much gain we going to have.

Talking about CPU, I'm a programmer guy, and I'm unsure that why they mention CPU on this kind of graphic API. From what I can assume is that usually library aka API have some task to be done by CPU before offloading  and when result come back in certain format, it need to decode and return the result in the format the developer wanted. In this case, I'm just saying this CPU thing won't be like a whole lot great deal, perhaps they utilise multi-threading when doing all these conversion or the graphic card low level itself requires much lesser conversion to be done. For common wrapper like DirectX, they usually have their own object class for certain format because they need to be a universal one so it can be shared among other platform card. I'm still waiting for some statistic before confirming on this but the card is built to cater this API, so it isn't the API which is awesome but like they said if they can cover up DirectX object conversion and extra handling then it will be great. Still remember it's hardware specific and unless it's similar to OpenGl/DirectX interface, developers might not be so interested to port over.
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it is the CPU draw calls they has been talking about. Developers has been making a lot of complains about DirectX inefficient API for years. Mantle if really is close to metal, it would seems be making developer's life easier.

Microsoft has been "rather" dormant in DirectX development lately. They seems to focus on Xbox.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 15 2013, 06:59 AM)
because that particular Asrock board does not support 125w FX CPU?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68C-GS%20FX/?cat=CPU

u want him to try to blow his mobo ar? lol

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it is the CPU draw calls they has been talking about. Developers has been making a lot of complains about DirectX inefficient API for years. Mantle if really is close to metal, it would seems be making developer's life easier.

Microsoft has been "rather" dormant in DirectX development lately. They seems to focus on Xbox.
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that is why AMD paid 8 million to DICE to use Mantle upon developer request.If it was developer request than why Amd is paying because it just rubbish and marketing nothing more.Even John Carmack the creator of Linux and Doom game has mantle and Nvidia OpenGL has no difference but both cannot be used.

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Wait, so price for RX 280X(which is kinna same with 7970) is lower than HD7970?

O instead of getting another HD7970 for crossfire, I should just get a RX 280X for crossfire right?

Mine is HD7970, not the Ghz version.
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Hmmm, normaly it is more expensive in here.

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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 09:09 AM)
that is why AMD paid 8 million to DICE to  use Mantle upon developer request.If it was developer request than why Amd is paying because it just rubbish and marketing nothing more.Even John Carmack  the creator of Linux and Doom game has mantle and Nvidia OpenGL has no difference but both cannot be used.
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John Carmack is not the creator of Linux, Linus Torvalds is.

John Carmack is the founder of id Software, the famous Quake engine which sort of revolutionise 3D graphic gaming.

I can't brain your last sentence but you had to understand how software and hardware work. High level API like DirectX and OpenGL, provides a common interface which the aim could be provide cross platform compatibility(OpenGL) while DirectX is a Microsoft thing.

AMD had promised to open up the hardware and create an OpenGL extension which have near Mantle performance. Technically speaking, OpenGL and DirectX can implement Mantle so these API can also gain access and perform faster.

Mantle is sort of like the card open low level access which can be used by anybody. You can wrap it around with OpenGL interface so developer don't even need to concern about learning it since OpenGL already do the work for you. You just call your OpenGL function normally and OpenGL will go for Mantle API function instead of the usual route.

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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 09:09 AM)
that is why AMD paid 8 million to DICE to  use Mantle upon developer request.If it was developer request than why Amd is paying because it just rubbish and marketing nothing more.Even John Carmack  the creator of Linux and Doom game has mantle and Nvidia OpenGL has no difference but both cannot be used.
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AMD paid DICE is because of the exclusive bundle and optimization. The deal also include the exclusive rights to use Battlefield to promote Mantle API. This is the same as Nvidia paid 5million Ubisoft to get their game optimize for Nvidia card.

Mantle is not rubbish, u obviously have poor understanding on software & APIs, how could u relate John Carmark as linux creator, He isnt the creator. Doom use OpenGL, not mantle, Mantle does not exist back then.

OpenGL is a high level API. It is design to run best compatibility across diff GPUs. OpenGL is also initially design for professional graphics.

On performance wise Mantle is going to be more efficient in every area than DirectX/OpenGL.

Ur entire post are wrong totally.
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AMD paid DICE is because of the exclusive bundle and optimization. The deal also include the exclusive rights to use Battlefield to promote Mantle API. This is the same as Nvidia paid 5million Ubisoft to get their game optimize for Nvidia card.

Mantle is not rubbish, u obviously have poor understanding on software & APIs, how could u relate John Carmark as linux creator, He isnt the creator. Doom use OpenGL, not mantle, Mantle does not exist back then.

OpenGL is a high level API. It is design to run best compatibility across diff GPUs. OpenGL is also initially design for professional graphics.

On performance wise Mantle is going to be more efficient in every area than DirectX/OpenGL.

Ur entire post are wrong totally.
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In Logic what i am about to say will be hated by AMD fanboy but it is a Fact.
Let start No Dev will make Mantle as a first priority because they need to target all gamers.AMD saying they made Mantle on Devs request so where are that Dev and why they are paying so much money to apply that api.If Dev want a low level API so u think they will ask AMD to develop which dont even have a market of GPU and processor.

If dev avoid opengl or dx and starting using AMD API than Dev have to bare a huge loss which i think it will be an idiot if they do it because AMD dont have the majority of GPUs user.It is fact Nvidia has the market stock and they 65% of GPU user.

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 14 2013, 10:32 PM)
I suggest u grab the Asus Sabertooth 990FX mobo ~RM600, it comes with extra 2 years warranty definitely worth it and it is extra reliable. That Asrock board is kinda bad.
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because that particular Asrock board does not support 125w FX CPU?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68C-GS%20FX/?cat=CPU
dude, you gotta choose your words man.

a board doesn't support it doesn't mean it's bad.

even if it's a bad choice for the person asking, that doesn't mean the board is bad.

get it?
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John Carmack is not the creator of Linux, Linus Torvalds is.

John Carmack is the founder of id Software, the famous Quake engine which sort of revolutionise 3D graphic gaming.

I can't brain your last sentence but you had to understand how software and hardware work. High level API like DirectX and OpenGL, provides a common interface which the aim could be provide cross platform compatibility(OpenGL) while DirectX is a Microsoft thing.

AMD had promised to open up the hardware and create an OpenGL extension which have near Mantle performance. Technically speaking, OpenGL and DirectX can implement Mantle so these API can also gain access and perform faster.

Mantle is sort of like the card open low level access which can be used by anybody. You can wrap it around with OpenGL interface so developer don't even need to concern about learning it since OpenGL already do the work for you. You just call your OpenGL function normally and OpenGL will go for Mantle API function instead of the usual route.
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In Logic what i am about to say will be hated by AMD fanboy but it is a Fact.
Let start No Dev will make Mantle as a first priority because they need to target all gamers.AMD saying they made Mantle on Devs request so where are that Dev and why they are paying so much money to apply that api.If Dev want a low level API so u think they will ask AMD to develop which dont even have a market of GPU and processor.

If dev avoid opengl or dx and starting using AMD API than Dev have to bare a huge loss which i think it will be an idiot if they do it because AMD dont have the majority of GPUs user.It is fact Nvidia has the market stock and they 65% of GPU user.

It cannot be used until AMD pays them in huge amount or else dev will go bankrupt by applying only Mantle.
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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 12:56 PM)
In Logic what i am about to say will be hated by AMD fanboy but it is a Fact.
Let start No Dev will make Mantle as a first priority because they need to target all gamers.AMD saying they made Mantle on Devs request so where are that Dev and why they are paying so much money to apply that api.If Dev want a low level API so u think they will ask AMD to develop which dont even have a market of GPU and processor.

If dev avoid opengl or dx and starting using AMD API than Dev have to bare a huge loss which i think it will be an idiot if they do it because AMD dont have the majority of GPUs user.It is fact Nvidia has the market stock and they 65% of GPU user.
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There is no need to make Mantle version, dev will go OpenGL and use OpenGL Mantle extension.

The idea of Mantle driver is to open up the hardware, Mantle is the API written to utilise the driver. OpenGL can also access this Mantle driver and use it by themselves. There is no change in code structure because OpenGL will most likely handle it unless Mantle interface require some extra parameter which means you will need to overload the function in OpenGL but these guys are very good in what they doing so nothing much to worry about.

Furthermore, most of the game developers nowadays use engine like Unity, Unreal etc which handle all these for them so it's not even their concern unless they writing from scratch. The more important partner for AMD to deal with is these game engine which is widely use, once they adopt it, all games written will automatically support Mantle.

There is no point to argue until we see the Mantle SDK, whether it's easy to be plugged in, or it's something similar to the interface used by OpenGL etc. I do hope the Mantle SDK don't come up some weird architecture but instead trying to mimic what's in the market so people can easily adopt. You really need to understand the programming logic behind it. You call it API but for developer, it's a library and what we looking from a library is easy to use, customisable and high performance. All good project have very good code structure where their graphic rendering will be mostly in the same package(folder) where just a simple switch case or if else, they can turn DirectX mode to Mantle mode so as long Mantle do the same thing, it just take them awhile to modify it.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 15 2013, 01:00 PM)
dude, you gotta choose your words man.

a board doesn't support it doesn't mean it's bad.

even if it's a bad choice for the person asking, that doesn't mean the board is bad.

get it?
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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 12:56 PM)
In Logic what i am about to say will be hated by AMD fanboy but it is a Fact.
Let start No Dev will make Mantle as a first priority because they need to target all gamers.AMD saying they made Mantle on Devs request so where are that Dev and why they are paying so much money to apply that api.If Dev want a low level API so u think they will ask AMD to develop which dont even have a market of GPU and processor.

If dev avoid opengl or dx and starting using AMD API than Dev have to bare a huge loss which i think it will be an idiot if they do it because AMD dont have the majority of GPUs user.It is fact Nvidia has the market stock and they 65% of GPU user.
It cannot be used until AMD pays them in huge amount or else dev will go bankrupt by applying only Mantle.
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Lets dont get into this fanboy thing.

1. I already said AMD pay for exclusive rights for BF4 marketing. Nvidia paid 5million to Ubisoft to do the same. AMD are not forcing DICE to use that API exclusively. Infact that API is co-develop by DICE as well, if u want to develop something u have to put some money on it, there is no such thing as free development cost or DICE putting 100% money to develop that API. Thats where the 8million is part of the deal.
2. Nobody is saying they are completely drop DirectX/OpenGL nor they claim Mantle is their top priority. This story is coming out from ur mouth only. Mantle is an add-on feature that only benefit AMD GPU, it is not an API to completely replace DirectX/OpenGL
3. AMD command 100% share in console market. Games has been develop in console market first then only ported to PC for years already. Next gen consoles are x86+GCN base, so there are a lot of similarity between PS4/Xbox vs a PC with AMD GCN GPU. Developer will highly likely to use this API to develop games that is for PS4/Xbox/PC with GCN GPU, then only add a DirectX/OpenGL support for Nvidia/Intel GPU. It is much easier this way instead of dealing with 3-4 diff APIs across 3 platforms.

In other words DirectX/OpenGL become the extra work for developer who develop Console ported game that use Mantle.


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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Oct 15 2013, 01:36 PM)
ok boss next time need to be extra specific.  tongue.gif
Lets dont get into this fanboy thing. 

1. I already said AMD pay for exclusive rights for BF4 marketing. Nvidia paid 5million to Ubisoft to do the same. AMD are not forcing DICE to use that API exclusively. Infact that API is co-develop by DICE as well, if u want to develop something u have to put some money on it, there is no such thing as free development cost or DICE putting 100% money to develop that API. Thats where the 8million is part of the deal.
2. Nobody is saying they are completely drop DirectX/OpenGL nor they claim Mantle is their top priority. This story is coming out from ur mouth only. Mantle is an add-on feature that only benefit AMD GPU, it is not an API to completely replace DirectX/OpenGL
3. AMD command 100% share in console market. Games has been develop in console market first then only ported to PC for years already. Next gen consoles are x86+GCN base, so there are a lot of similarity between PS4/Xbox vs a PC with AMD GCN GPU. Developer will highly likely to use this API to develop games that is for PS4/Xbox/PC with GCN GPU, then only add a DirectX/OpenGL support for Nvidia/Intel GPU. It is much easier this way instead of dealing with 3-4 diff APIs across 3 platforms.

In other words DirectX/OpenGL become the extra work for developer who develop Console ported game that use Mantle.
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But Console will not use Mantle so the take that word port out.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-C...tible-Xbox-One

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/a...-direct3d.aspx

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I actually take this as very good news.

Microsoft feels sufficiently threatened to do a boycott-PR on Mantle/OpenGL and I think Microsoft will be backpedalling again when games (1) runs better on PS4/Wii and (2) devs deploy more/better games on PS4 due to easier porting to a different platform/OS (Windows/Linux/MacOSX).

Mantle may not "run" on XBONE, but there is no stopping devs from using Mantle SDK. rclxms.gif


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Hmmm, normaly it is more expensive in here.

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Ooooookay, time for 290X un-boxed & benchmarks from chiphell.

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Ooooookay, time for 290X un-boxed & benchmarks from chiphell.

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Fresh news have just arrived. The launch is probably set for October 18th. We couldn’t confirm the launch date since distributors, manufacturers and reviewers have all slightly different information. So it’s either this date or a date closer to BF4 launch. Take it as you will.

http://videocardz.com/46741/radeon-r9-290x-pictured-close

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We were concerned that AMD’s Never Settle bundle has met its maker and that it might be a thing of the past. Many have noticed that the new Radeon R9 280X and other Rx200-series cards are not coming with the well known Never Settle bundle. On AMD’s Never Settle Forever website we read that the bundle only covers Radeon 7000 series and not the new series.

The good news is that we got official confirmation that Never Settle is coming back to the Rx200 series. AMD Vice President of sales Roy Taylor went on the record confirming that AMD plans to reintroduce the bundles as apparently they get the job done. We lack many details about the bundle pattern as currently Gold reward means you get three games, Silver means two and Bronze is a single game and they depend on the card you choose. We expect a similar deal with future cards and on top of that there’s the limited BF4 bundle for flagship cards.

Despite a quite large investment in these bundles on AMD’s part, reports from Europe and the USA are suggesting that the bundles did help AMDs sales, especially in the higher end market, and the bundles definitely point to a wind of change in the way graphics card manufacturers are doing business.

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Ooooookay, time for 290X un-boxed & benchmarks from chiphell.

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QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 15 2013, 04:27 PM)
Ooooookay, time for 290X un-boxed & benchmarks from chiphell.

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Don't bother with the overall score X
Focus on the graphics score 5324... it is faster than my GTX780 HOF @ 1136MHz = 4717
Impressive but I hope that temperature could be better.

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R9 r probably made sturdy and can stand 90c without problems eh? by the way this is the reference card's performances right? imagine how cool n how far can custom ones go shocking.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 15 2013, 06:55 PM)
Don't bother with the overall score X
Focus on the graphics score 5324... it is faster than my GTX780 HOF @ 1136MHz = 4717
Impressive but I hope that temperature could be better.

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Seems promising..
Can't wait for proper benchmark from reputable sites =)
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Mantle, is a choice for game developers who want to deliver for PC users, faster than they would using current methods, aka DirectX.

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Oct 15 2013, 06:50 PM)
90c on the benchmark scores? according to the chipbell forumer
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It's fine actually... Benchmarks tend to stress the card beyond real world situations...
...wait for custom cooling first... tongue.gif

Hopefully with all those delays, the R9-290X won't end up as Bulldozer 2.0 (wildly hyped up, but ended up as major disappointment)
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 15 2013, 08:09 PM)
It's fine actually... Benchmarks tend to stress the card beyond real world situations...
...wait for custom cooling first... tongue.gif

Hopefully with all those delays, the R9-290X won't end up as Bulldozer 2.0 (wildly hyped up, but ended up as major disappointment)
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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 02:47 PM)
u still couldnt get it? the thing is Console Games are code to use GCN graphics, When u are close to Metal, u only have a very shallow layer of software. The entire Engine is specially optimized for GCN already. DirectX is a high level API, it has rather restrictive library. Developer have to go back to their engine to rewrite just for DirectX. Thats the Extra work. Why do u think Rockstar do not port over GTA V to PC? because it is not very straight forward thing. DirectX does not make console porting to PC easy. Mantle is easier because it give u the full access of GPU capability like the console did. Microsoft has been sleeping for many years in PC, they are only focus on gaming in Xbox. Gaming in Microsoft eyes is --> Xbox first, PC Windows second.

IMO, it does not make any sense for the developer NOT use mantle.

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 15 2013, 07:03 PM)
any Titan's score?? flex.gif
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titan score is around 6xxx to 7xxx
http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/3dmar...ion+1.0.5/1+gpu

It is not even near to titan in 3dmark.

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Moar leaked synthetic benchmark spams!

3DMark Firestrike Extreme
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3DMark Firestrike
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3DMark11 - Performance
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3DMark11 - Extreme
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Unigine Heaven 4.0 - Extreme (wish they did it in 1080p)
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Sos Kicap : More AMD Radeon R9 290X performance charts emerge - Videocardz.com

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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 15 2013, 09:51 PM)
titan score is around 6xxx to 7xxx
http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/3dmar...ion+1.0.5/1+gpu

It is not even near to titan in 3dmark.
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Nice try rclxms.gif But those are overclocked Titan scores.
A stock clocked Titan yields roughly 5K.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=article...on=file&id=7034
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...pdate/3DMark-3D
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce...-review_2144/11
http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/review-nvid...1-3dmark-2013-3
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5402/evga...iew/index4.html

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The score looks good.. but me more interestd with r9 290...hope they hav a toxic version...hehe
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@owikh84:

Yeah, we should look at the graphic score.

So far, R9-290X's 5.324k > Titan's 4.6k
And like you, I'm quite concern with the reported temps.
Let's hope it's due to GPU-Z.

Of coz, we don't play 3DMark11X - we play games.
It'll be interesting to see R9-290X gaming beating Titan & GTX-780 at the rumored USD 500-600 price range.

I'm also looking forward to 290X(5.6)/290(4.9) TFLOPs of compute power.

Wonderful time to get NVIDIA GPU after massive price drop.
For those who already paid the NVIDIA-tax, think of this as you already use those cards for many months already. Alternately get another Titan/GTX-780!

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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 15 2013, 10:56 PM)
The score looks good.. but me more interestd with r9 290...hope they hav a toxic version...hehe
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 15 2013, 10:45 PM)
huh?? only around 5k shakehead.gif
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More leaked benchmarks of 290X:

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Radeon R9 290X Launch Date Revealed?

At a local press gathering in Turkey, AMD revealed the launch date of its next high-end product, the Radeon R9 290X. The press NDA over the card will end on October 15, 2013, at 12:01 AM EST (Berlin time). This NDA expiry time was disclosed in the slides that AMD showed the press. There's always the possibility that the NDA expiry date doesn't match market availability. It could merely mark NDA expiry for the press to post reviews of their AMD reference-design R9 290X (the only kind of R9 290X that will be initially available). AMD is handling R9 290X launch much in the same way NVIDIA handled the GTX TITAN, in that there won't be non-reference design cards in the foreseeable future, with the exception of cards with factory-fitted full-coverage water-blocks.

Sauce: Radeon R9 290X Launch Date Revealed?

So there won't be a Vapor-X/Matrix/Lightning/TwinFrozr/Ice-Q?? Or it will come later? hmm.gif

and leaked pricing on Denmark website for R9-290x & R9-290

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MSI R9-290: 473€
PowerColor R9-290: 499€

MSI R9-290X: 603€
PowerColor R9-290X: 699€

Sauce: Grafikkarten » PCIe mit GPU (AMD/ATI): R9 290X/R9 290

RM2.5k for R9-290x
RM2k for R9-290

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hrm... i guess it would be great for us to send owikh both the R9 290X and Titan for him to verify it. after all, he's a local guru (non-bias). of course, still need to wait the sample to arrive. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ASUSmy @ Oct 16 2013, 02:09 AM)
hrm... i guess it would be great for us to send owikh both the R9 290X and Titan for him to verify it. after all, he's a local guru (non-bias). of course, still need to wait the sample to arrive. sad.gif
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Please do that. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ASUSmy @ Oct 16 2013, 02:09 AM)
hrm... i guess it would be great for us to send owikh both the R9 290X and Titan for him to verify it. after all, he's a local guru (non-bias). of course, still need to wait the sample to arrive. sad.gif
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Any clear stock discount for Asus HD7000 series b4 phasing out? Really hope u guys doing that so I can get my second GPU to crossfire @ cheap price tongue.gif

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I personally think mantle is big thing for Linux. AMD+Linux+SteamOS can killed microsoft windows and nvidia if AMD focusing on this low level API.

Who needs windows if you can gaming on linux and developers can easily code closely to the metal? AMD should start focusing on mantle and catalyst driver for linux.

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QUOTE(ASUSmy @ Oct 16 2013, 02:09 AM)
hrm... i guess it would be great for us to send owikh both the R9 290X and Titan for him to verify it. after all, he's a local guru (non-bias). of course, still need to wait the sample to arrive. sad.gif
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Yes. i concurred. + his crazy OC skill we can have great insight on how far those top gpu can go. thumbup.gif
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Acid_RuleZz Looks like not just Mantle, OpenGL extensions too... that means future games do not need 'game optimized' drivers.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-aims-to-...the-bottleneck/

As for Nvidia, their business priority seems to be cracking the mobile business. I sure do not hope them to drop desktop GPU.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 16 2013, 10:31 AM)
Acid_RuleZz Looks like not just Mantle, OpenGL extensions too... that means future games do not need 'game optimized' drivers.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-aims-to-...the-bottleneck/

As for Nvidia, their business priority seems to be cracking the mobile business. I sure do not hope them to drop desktop GPU.
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On second thought, there is something going on between nvidia and valve. Steam machines are all nvidia based cards.

It is actually kinda weird when AMD introduces this new low level API and OpenGL extensions... and nvidia is mum about this. Probably, nvidia is actually ahead where valve got nvidia onboard with steamOS/linux.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 16 2013, 10:31 AM)
Acid_RuleZz Looks like not just Mantle, OpenGL extensions too... that means future games do not need 'game optimized' drivers.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-aims-to-...the-bottleneck/

As for Nvidia, their business priority seems to be cracking the mobile business. I sure do not hope them to drop desktop GPU.
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Woot, big kudos to AMD if they manage to pull this off. Indeed about Nvidia thingy, that market bring more profit compare to desktop gpu i guess.


QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 16 2013, 10:55 AM)
On second thought, there is something going on between nvidia and valve.  Steam machines are all nvidia based cards.

It is actually kinda weird when AMD introduces this new low level API and OpenGL extensions...  and nvidia is mum about this.  Probably, nvidia is actually ahead where valve got nvidia onboard with steamOS/linux.
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Only the prototype will ship with Nvidia GPU, they will release AMD GPU as well in the future, probably waiting to bundle all of the 290x. brows.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 16 2013, 10:55 AM)
On second thought, there is something going on between nvidia and valve.  Steam machines are all nvidia based cards.

It is actually kinda weird when AMD introduces this new low level API and OpenGL extensions...  and nvidia is mum about this.  Probably, nvidia is actually ahead where valve got nvidia onboard with steamOS/linux.
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Steam prototype machines are Nvidia, but they are not dumping AMD. News is they'll get there in 2014.

AMD/ATI won the consoles, too, landing XBox One and PS4, putting x86 into consoles. With that, PC-Mantle is just few more shorter steps away to getting early games. Not as easy as it sounds, but definitely better than legacy consoles IMO.

For Nvidia's case, I don't know what to look forward to.
Lately there's word that they are putting 64-bit into phone SoCs. Maybe that's something.
Maxwell? I don't see it.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 16 2013, 10:55 AM)
On second thought, there is something going on between nvidia and valve.  Steam machines are all nvidia based cards.

It is actually kinda weird when AMD introduces this new low level API and OpenGL extensions...  and nvidia is mum about this.  Probably, nvidia is actually ahead where valve got nvidia onboard with steamOS/linux.
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Update your info bro. even Valve itself state its working with all 3 - nvidia, intel & amd on its machine.
Only the Prototype - around 300 beta tester machine will use nvidia gpu atm. smile.gif The 1st wave.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 16 2013, 11:35 AM)
Steam prototype machines are Nvidia, but they are not dumping AMD. News is they'll get there in 2014.

AMD/ATI won the consoles, too, landing XBox One and PS4, putting x86 into consoles. With that, PC-Mantle is just few more shorter steps away to getting early games. Not as easy as it sounds, but definitely better than legacy consoles IMO.

For Nvidia's case, I don't know what to look forward to.
Lately there's word that they are putting 64-bit into phone SoCs. Maybe that's something.
Maxwell? I don't see it.
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Wii U also use AMD GPU but not GCN architecture IIRC.

Nvidia gonna reveal probably a new GPU next month at Montreal Canada and there's gonna be a "Super Secret Meeting Livestream" with PCPER on 21st this month.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 16 2013, 11:51 AM)
Wii U also use AMD GPU but not GCN architecture IIRC.

Nvidia gonna reveal probably a new GPU next month at Montreal Canada and there's gonna be a "Super Secret Meeting Livestream" with PCPER on 21st this month.

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NVIDIA is developing something BIG and it's not a GPU
Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/news/33025/rumort...KRBMKulaestZ.99
i giving ur answer.
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QUOTE(Desprado @ Oct 16 2013, 01:04 PM)
NVIDIA is developing something BIG and it's not a GPU
Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/news/33025/rumort...KRBMKulaestZ.99
i giving ur answer.
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You mean the invisibility cloak for pedos? Nothing to see here. Ayam disappointed. sad.gif

QUOTE
An impatient researcher is using NVIDIA GPUs to speed up his ability to model invisible materials.

These so-called “metamaterials” exist for now only on blackboards, as pioneered by theoretical physicist Sir John Pendry, of the Imperial College of London.

But the notion has Attique Dawood, an instructor at the National University of Computer and Emerging Sciences, in Islamabad, buzzing. And others are equally excited.


Sauce: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/10/09/invisibility-cloak/
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Got hope:
Their new CFO: http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/Releases/NVID...fficer-a26.aspx

And she immediately got stock bonus:
http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/insiders/kress-colette-917514
220k @ $15.41 = $3.39 Million
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GUys, any idea when the r9-280x toxic will be in stock in malaysia?
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 16 2013, 03:57 PM)
Got hope:
Their new CFO: http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/Releases/NVID...fficer-a26.aspx

And she immediately got stock bonus:
http://www.nasdaq.com/quotes/insiders/kress-colette-917514
220k @ $15.41 = $3.39 Million
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Oh wow, i know she used to work for M$ before.
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why lowyat shop still not update they R series online price ?
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looks like no news until next week Friday sad.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 16 2013, 06:32 PM)
Oh wow, i know she used to work for M$ before.
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Nvidia hired an ex-M$ to work for them? Some more to take care their finances... haha

Quick blog news: M$ may have conflicts of interest with AMD. On one hand, there's Xbox One where M$ needs AMD, and on the other the DirectX for PC, where Mantle may be a direct competitor.
SOS: Anandtech
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QUOTE(MathsGeniusOrNot @ Oct 16 2013, 05:50 PM)
GUys, any idea when the r9-280x toxic will be in stock in malaysia?
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It already is biggrin.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/889953
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2851121
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/831632
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Which R series graphic card can beat 7850? value vs performance
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QUOTE(InfoO2 @ Oct 17 2013, 12:04 PM)
Which R series graphic card can beat 7850? value vs performance
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R9-270X  biggrin.gif
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That was way RM200 different, any that almost the same price that beating it? Just wondering, cause I can't find compare at google
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QUOTE(InfoO2 @ Oct 17 2013, 12:04 PM)
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this should be r9 280 (but its not out yet, since r9 280 is basically the improve version of the tahiti pro, 7950... similiar to r9 280x, the improve version of tahiti xt, 7970)

or u can get the r9 270x toxic (which is better compared to the most stock 7950... since this is the improce version of pitcairn xt or the previous 7870)

r9 270x toxic review u can read here http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-r9-...x-review_125979
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^ I don't think there will be any R9-280 with current pricing.

QUOTE(InfoO2 @ Oct 17 2013, 12:04 PM)
Which R series graphic card can beat 7850? value vs performance
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R9-280x. 270x is overpriced. ph34r.gif
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the sapphire r270x range is quite reasonable.. but if for other manufacturer lke asus/giga.msi.. yep its overprice

anyway.. should i crossfire 270x or wait for one r9 280x toxic...crossfire this two card i can get a higher performance compared to single r9 280x toxic...

but issues is, one game im playing assassin creed 3 the crossfire profile still not good... anybody know a better way to increase fps using crossfire for ac3?

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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 17 2013, 01:21 PM)
the sapphire r270x range is quite reasonable.. but if for other manufacturer lke asus/giga.msi.. yep its overprice

anyway.. should i crossfire 270x or wait for one r9 280x toxic...crossfire this two card i can get a higher performance compared to single r9 280x toxic...

but issues is, one game im playing assassin creed 3 the crossfire profile still not good... anybody know a better way to increase fps using crossfire for ac3?
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Still ok for sub RM800 but over that is not worth it imo, the old 7870XT still give better price/performance compare to 270x and if you can get 7950 for around or under RM1k, better get that.
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well.. if can get 7950 less than rm1k definitely a steal.. but the problem is i dont think u can get that price...
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 17 2013, 02:02 PM)
well.. if can get 7950 less than rm1k definitely a steal.. but the problem is i dont think u can get that price...
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Lingloong still selling them though.
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i guess time to crossfire 7950 vapor-x.. hehehe
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AMD's R9 290X will be shown off tomorrow in Montreal while NVIDIA host press.

Tomorrow while NVIDIA host many of the biggest names in tech media at an event in Montreal, Canada, AMD will be hosting a smaller event a at the Hilton Bonaventure hotel just down the road. The event will be based around the company's new Radeon R9 290X GPU and is open to the public.

AMD says that there is an open door policy for gamers to come in and check out the new GPU and play some games. The Event takes place between 3PM and 8PM. The game of choice will be Bioshock Infinite which will be displayed on 4K monitors. Sources say that AMD will also have systems set up beside the R9 GPU that will be running NVIDIA's GTX 780 as a comparison.

Sauce: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/33469/amd-wi...real/index.html



Public demo of the 290x tomorrow. Pretty ballsy move by AMD i say but they only compare it with GTX780, maybe not enough to beat Titan?
Will it become PR blunder like the Bulldozer? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 17 2013, 03:13 PM)
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Public demo of the 290x tomorrow. Pretty ballsy move by AMD i say but they only compare it with GTX780, maybe not enough to beat Titan?
Will it become PR blunder like the Bulldozer? hmm.gif
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price point at 780 hence the reason they choose it? 2 same product at same price point. then after oc it beat titan juz like 780? we'll know once review is out biggrin.gif
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hmmmm... Perhaps they didn't want to be compared to the Titan in the first place? I mean, the Titan is quite a niche market. It's a very expensive card and the general public can't dump so much money into a single card anyway. Perhaps as what sai86 said, price point. Am looking forward to this. happy.gif
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I definitely saw Hikari85 and Zhen^Wei selling HD7950 Dual-X around RM950 and Vapor-X for RM980 before, but now both pushing the R9 series so i don't know if they still have it.

Lingloong still selling them though.
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Is Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 better than HD7950? Or is it still overprice?
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AMD cards get an unexpected boost from the Linux 3.12 kernel

Phoronix had a very pleasant surprise over the weekend which was apparently also a complete surprise to the AMD Linux driver team; vastly improved GPU performance on the 3.12 kernel.  In tests on a dozen cards ranging from the elderly HD3850 to the HD6950 all cards showed at least some improvements and in some cases increases of 50%.  Keep your eyes tuned for updates as they work with AMD's Linux team to see where these performance increases originated from and to give Phoronix time to get their hands on new hardware for more testing.

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 17 2013, 03:31 PM)
Is Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 better than HD7950? Or is it still overprice?
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280x toxic not just better than HD7950 bro, its even better than HD7970 GHz in terms of both price and performance and not to mention its new nice looking cooler with LED drool.gif . But looks like the voltage is locked so not much headroom left for overclocking. Even one of the review that I read mentioned when they try to oc even 10MHz on the core, artifacts appeared laugh.gif and another review able to oc up to 1230MHz stable.

in the end it depends on our luck biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 17 2013, 03:31 PM)
Is Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 better than HD7950? Or is it still overprice?
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You should compare it with 7970
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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 17 2013, 03:31 PM)
Is Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 better than HD7950? Or is it still overprice?
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The price for 280x Toxic is still ok imo, to beat a 280x@1150mhz, you need to overclock HD7950 to around 1250mhz Very very few HD7950 can do that.
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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 17 2013, 03:31 PM)
Is Sapphire R9 280X Toxic 3GB GDDR5 better than HD7950? Or is it still overprice?
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price quite right if you ask me. not very expansive/far from 7970 ghz vapor-x.

QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 17 2013, 03:44 PM)
The price for 280x Toxic is still ok imo, to beat a 280x@1150mhz, you need to overclock HD7950 to around 1250mhz Very very few HD7950 can do that.
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even 7970ghz has quite difficulties to reach that Core clock sweat.gif
i only can do 1230 mhz cry.gif n toxic may surpass my oc easily.
(BF 4 no problem at all, but dota 2 gimme black screen with audio only doh.gif ) so my real stable point is at 1200mhz.

1250mhz psu shutdown itself due to bump up the voltage. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 17 2013, 03:46 PM)
even 7970ghz has quite difficulties to reach that Core clock  sweat.gif
i only can do 1230 mhz  cry.gif n toxic may surpass my oc easily.
(BF 4 no problem at all, but dota 2 gimme black screen with audio only  doh.gif ) so my real stable point is at 1200mhz.

1250mhz psu shutdown itself due to bump up the voltage.  laugh.gif
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yea, my last 7970 can do max 1170mhz only.. very bad. 1230 consider good already bro, not bad..I think this 280x toxic also cant go far like earlier batch of 7970 where 1300+ oc not a problem even on air.
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anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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Dota2 @1200mhz? U playing on 3x 4k? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 17 2013, 04:04 PM)
anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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that should be everyone, dunno how many is buying though tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 17 2013, 04:08 PM)
Dota2 @1200mhz? U playing on 3x 4k? laugh.gif
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3x 4k sure feed kao kao biggrin.gif
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Any news on when it's coming in, mate?

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anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 17 2013, 04:04 PM)
anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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patiently waiting just to see how good it is but not going to buy if price ~780..cant afford
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QUOTE(shepard @ Oct 17 2013, 04:20 PM)
patiently waiting just to see how good it is but not going to buy if price ~780..cant afford
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still got r-290. mayb at 770 price point? hmm.gif
i juz realize, you sold all ur 7970? shocking.gif

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anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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waiting for its pricing ~~
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 17 2013, 04:23 PM)
still got r-290. mayb at 770 price point? hmm.gif
i juz realize, you sold all ur 7970?  shocking.gif
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sold all bro, need cash during downtime hehe..anyway this time maybe either r9-280x toxic or yes as you suggest maybe r290 if the price around 770 should be good.

Lets do some benchmark later bro..hehe cant wait especially the new Hawaii r-290
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QUOTE(shepard @ Oct 17 2013, 04:26 PM)
sold all bro, need cash during downtime hehe..anyway this time maybe either r9-280x toxic or yes as you suggest maybe r290 if the price around 770 should be good.

Lets do some benchmark later bro..hehe cant wait especially the new Hawaii r-290
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sure. thumbup.gif
btw, any benchmark that is not bound to cpu and solely for gpu? my cpu is kinda dragging my gpu sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 17 2013, 04:30 PM)
sure. thumbup.gif
btw, any benchmark that is not bound to cpu and solely for gpu? my cpu is kinda dragging my gpu  sweat.gif
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hmm.gif hmm ya I didnt play around with OC for quite some time already till I lost touch with those synthetic benchies but the best I can guess is you can try AvP benchmark and maybe Far Cry 2 benchmark?

Cant be sure though because I only do benchmarks on own PC and no comparison made, so no idea which benchmark is solely bound to GPU since most of them requires raw cpu power as well. can check with owikh he might know.

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 17 2013, 04:33 PM)
What does 770 price point means? hmm.gif
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gtx770. price point means the product price will be around there. hence, its an equal competitor(almost).

@shepard
will do.
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amazon already can order his r9 290x at usd719
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Boost-2xDLDVI-D-...ds=hyis+r9+290x
if here maybe around rm2359 to 2599

so.. likely wont get this one... let c how much the r9 290...
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 17 2013, 04:04 PM)
anyone waiting for R9 290X ?
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how about R9-290? cry.gif

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 17 2013, 04:14 PM)
no lulz. i aint the guy that like to click swith profile when playing different game. so i try to get to the max limit for all the game i play. mainly BF 4. dota 2 now is juz side-game.  laugh.gif
3x 4k sure feed kao kao  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 17 2013, 07:07 PM)
how about R9-290?  cry.gif
I see, btw how's that overclock affecting your electric bills?
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n i dun think my rig is that power hog as well. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 17 2013, 06:44 PM)
amazon already can order his r9 290x at usd719
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Boost-2xDLDVI-D-...ds=hyis+r9+290x
if here maybe around rm2359 to 2599

so.. likely wont get this one... let c how much the r9 290...
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i will get 290x if the performance gain is around 20% vs 780 at the same price range

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R9-290X first batch only 20pcs. *sigh* sad.gif

I predict... sky high price gorging man...
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Something to read about Mantle.

The four core principles of AMD’s Mantle
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Quite a lot of retailers are selling their custom built rigs , price shown cheapest is $1999 , of course for the whole rig.

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If maybe anyone who can't wait and with lots of time can slowly minus off some of the parts so that we would know the estimated pricing tongue.gif
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AMD Radeon R9 290X Performance Preview: Bioshock Infinite @ 4K

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Wow... it beats the gtx 780... but the benchmark kinda skewed since they test with amd game title bioshock and tomb raider
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even so. both title is not sux for nvidia either. there's nth special implemented or restricted for ati/nvidia for BI. while on TR, only FX hair in which it can be turn off for comparison.

wait for more review from guru3d and anandtech smile.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 18 2013, 07:07 AM)
immature driver vs almost matured driver flex.gif flex.gif

hmm.. how about Titan? 290x at 4K i dont think it can win the Titan right..

but we should look at what resolution we play. i play at 1080p so yeah 290x is a big big win
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QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 17 2013, 11:01 PM)
R9-290X first batch only 20pcs. *sigh* sad.gif

I predict... sky high price gorging man...
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juz don't be the earliest batch then you can save some. its always the same cycle for new products and we shall not be "eaten" again laugh.gif

previous page @ 1080p the performance is nice. hope its true and the same when the review is out by other reviewer.

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 08:47 AM)
juz don't be the earliest batch then you can save some. its always the same cycle for new products and we shall not be "eaten" again  laugh.gif

previous page @ 1080p the performance is nice. hope its true and the same when the review is out by other reviewer.
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+1, it's not like the 1st batch will be the best either, you're bummed if there are errors in the earlier manufacturing process tongue.gif remember the Intel Sata3 issue from 2 or 3 years back?? brows.gif

Though I don't wish for this to happen lah tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Oct 18 2013, 09:46 AM)
+1, it's not like the 1st batch will be the best either, you're bummed if there are errors in the earlier manufacturing process tongue.gif remember the Intel Sata3 issue from 2 or 3 years back??  brows.gif

Though I don't wish for this to happen lah tongue.gif
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Unlikely lor... this 28nm in production damn long liao unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 09:47 AM)
Unlikely lor... this 28nm in production damn long liao unsure.gif
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can say almost end of the production line dy. next in line is 20nm right? this might have some new issue as always for 1st time.

actually when is the NDA expire? i thought should be 15th oct? hmm.gif
to date, how will AMD solve the frame latency problem? tho i did not encounter it or not significant to me. (<- nub)
we hear new gpu, mantle and mantle but nth on the frame latency.

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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 09:47 AM)
Unlikely lor... this 28nm in production damn long liao unsure.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 09:50 AM)
can say almost end of the production line dy. next in line is 20nm right? this might have some new issue as always for 1st time.

actually when is the NDA expire? i thought should be 15th oct? hmm.gif
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15th Oct was a rumor that was never confirmed by AMD sad.gif The only reason AMD allowed Toms/Anand to leak is because Nvidia will be hosting a big event to kantoi AMD.
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I backed off a bit in BioShock Infinite, although the Very High detail preset still looks great. As you can see, Radeon R9 290X has little trouble posting higher average frame rates yet again. It’s worth noting that these are Fraps-based numbers—in single-GPU configurations, the results from Fraps and FCAT track closely anyway.

There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…

With that, I should probably get back to the lab before I get myself into trouble.


That's good to know.
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Anyone play Dota 2 in Linux here? What FPS u get?

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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 09:47 AM)
Unlikely lor... this 28nm in production damn long liao unsure.gif
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chips no problem but BIOS sometimes got prob right? tho u can flash it later but flashing got risks
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 11:35 AM)
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 11:07 AM)
That's good to know.
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Anyone play Dota 2 in Linux here? What FPS u get?
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http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_radeo...n_montreal.html

won by 2 fps blink.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 11:46 AM)
chips no problem but BIOS sometimes got prob right? tho u can flash it later but flashing got risks
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Huh?

The only recent BIOS issue I remember was if people pandai-pandai flash their stock 7970 into GE, which doesn't work for all brands.
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I noticed those numbers for 290x are ran in "Quiet Mode".

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Maybe this explained why in one of the 3DMark11 Extreme the 290x scored just over 4k for GPU.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 01:07 PM)
I noticed those numbers for 290x are ran in "Quiet Mode".

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Maybe this explained why in one of the 3DMark11 Extreme the 290x scored just over 4k for GPU.
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bro may i know why u post everything also don share sos one? sad.gif
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That's good to know.
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Anyone play Dota 2 in Linux here? What FPS u get?
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TFTFY.

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:21 PM)
bro may i know why u post everything also don share sos one? sad.gif
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http://videocardz.com/46912/official-amd-r...geforce-gtx-780
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 01:43 PM)
Oh sry... not everything mang, i'm posting this like ninja at work because manager is around and sometime i forgot some details. ph34r.gif
http://videocardz.com/46912/official-amd-r...geforce-gtx-780
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thanks bro

QUOTE
I backed off a bit in BioShock Infinite, although the Very High detail preset still looks great. As you can see, Radeon R9 290X has little trouble posting higher average frame rates yet again. It’s worth noting that these are Fraps-based numbers—in single-GPU configurations, the results from Fraps and FCAT track closely anyway.

There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…

With that, I should probably get back to the lab before I get myself into trouble.

this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:45 PM)
thanks bro

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I backed off a bit in BioShock Infinite, although the Very High detail preset still looks great. As you can see, Radeon R9 290X has little trouble posting higher average frame rates yet again. It’s worth noting that these are Fraps-based numbers—in single-GPU configurations, the results from Fraps and FCAT track closely anyway.

There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…

With that, I should probably get back to the lab before I get myself into trouble.

this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…


Hohoho. Will be interesting to see the official numbers vs Titan. brows.gif Can't wait for the official lauch. lol
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Oct 18 2013, 01:55 PM)
There’s not much more I can say at this point, except that I have several cards tested at 3840x2160, and R9 290X doesn’t just do well against the GeForce GTX 780…
Hohoho. Will be interesting to see the official numbers vs Titan. brows.gif Can't wait for the official lauch. lol
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what doesn't just do well means it's doing more than just do well or? ayam confused with this!!
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 01:45 PM)
thanks bro
this also no sos.. but this say lousy and then u posted the last one 290x win 780 in quiet mode. so not match one?
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Because the sauce is in the 1st post in Page 17, i forgot to quote him.
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what doesn't just do well means it's doing more than just do well or? ayam confused with this!!
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lol no wonder - A lot of people misread that line.
Does not just do well against = It performs good against many cards, not just GTX780.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 02:08 PM)
Because the sauce is in the 1st post in Page 17, i forgot to quote him.
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Just came back from the AMD event in Montreal and wanted to share the info I got. The event was in a small room with 3 AMD guys, 2 identical rigs (except for GPUS) and some refreshments.

I think the specs/benchmarks have already been posted so I'll just post some observations and other info I got from the AMD guys.

- The 290X was MUCH smoother than the GTX 780 (The GTX780 was tearing like a mofo in Bioshock Infinite, painful to watch...)
- The 290X has a "UBER-mode" switch on the side which he couldn't tell more about because of NDA
- 280X is still Tahiti but it's a "completely new ASIC"
- Never Settle will not be bundled with R7/R9 series at launch but will be eventually. It will still be bundled with 7970, etc
- The 290X was surprisingly very quiet and looks amazing (much better than GTX780 IMO, I love black biggrin.gif)
- 290X is HDMI 1.4 (not 2.0, so it's limited to 30Hz @ 4K on HDMI)
- NDA lifting this month "for sure"
- They are testing some BETA drivers with 12K (3 x 4K) eyefinity support which they will be releasing soon
- He would not let me run GPUz... frown.gif
- Very disappointed by 4K, expected a lot more. Not worth it IMO

I have some pics but they are very blurry, I can dump them in an imgur album if you guys really want to see them.

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-He also said their aim is to compete with the GTX 780 and not the Titan. Surprisingly, Bioshock Infinite had the 290x beating the 780 by about 15% but in Tomb Raider only about 5%. It's weird considering Bioshock tends to favor NVIDIA and Tomb Raider AMD. He couldn't reveal the price but he did tell me we'd be ''extremely happy'' about it. Considering it's aiming to compete with the 780, I wouldn't be surprised to see it priced lower.

-He didn't tell me Never Settle bundles will be eventually included with the R series, he simply told me people love bundles and it's a great incentive to buy so they'll definitely try to have some in the future.

-The Sharp monitors were both 4K 60HZ and 30''. They looked good but not nearly enough to justify their ridiculous price tags of 3,000$+. 4K doesn't look that much better than 1600p at that screen size but that's probably due to the screen being too small to display UHD in its full glory. Still, for those who absolutely want a 4K 27'', you'll be disappointed.

-290X is designed to run at 95c so it'll get hot but it won't throttle nor get damaged by this. This is the target they're aiming for. The GPU will run really hot but will still be stable.

-Mantle will be strictly up to the developers to use or not to use. They apparently have some big name players in the field who will use Mantle. Dice is the first big one but expect to see more in the near future. Mantle is what everyone say it is. It brings a console-like development environment to the PC. I wouldn't hold my breath for 20% better performance. I would however expect much smoother and better ports.

-The tech demo showing Ruby with the not so great TressFX had around 23 different effects designed by AMD and it was just a beta. A finished version will apparently look much better.

-CPU's running on both systems were i7-3960X.

-The AMD rep said he saw the rumors about the pricing online and the most widely accepted prices are ''completely wrong''.

-He couldn't reveal anything about the specs. No GPU-Z. Nothing. Just the cards as is.

- I attempted to get the price out of him by first asking how much the monitors were worth and then by asking how much the whole system was worth. He didn't bite


Sauce: [LR] AMD To Show Off Radeon R9 290X Video Card in Montreal Tomorrow! - Page 22
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The part I am most excited...

"He couldn't reveal the price but he did tell me we'd be ''extremely happy'' about it."

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-290X is designed to run at 95c so it'll get hot but it won't throttle nor get damaged by this. This is the target they're aiming for. The GPU will run really hot but will still be stable.

now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down? hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:38 PM)
now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down?  hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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yeap dunno why Nvidia always 'blocking' stuffs from this n that while AMD open their legs wide wide for u to punish their GPU.. might be that if Nvidia let everything go full potential then they have no more stuffs in their pockets to counter-attack later? hmm.gif
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but we can roughly guess the price right? someone said they started to let pre-orders at usd700+??
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:38 PM)
now, i have a Q, not to bash but i did not just get it. we have msi lightning which has some very good chip/components to OC the card the hell of it, but on nvidia, it implement a restriction on it where once it hit the temp, it will throttle down. my Q, what is the usage/benefit of getting special edition such as lightning/soc/classified version when you can't oc to the full potential or till it break down?  hmm.gif

amd does not place this restriction right?
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:42 PM)
yeap dunno why Nvidia always 'blocking' stuffs from this n that while AMD open their legs wide wide for u to punish their GPU.. might be that if Nvidia let everything go full potential then they have no more stuffs in their pockets to counter-attack later? hmm.gif
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Hence higher failure rate of AMD GPU compare to Nvidia and one of the "reason" behind Origin PC dropped AMD GPU in their built.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 18 2013, 03:12 PM)
Hence higher failure rate of AMD GPU compare to Nvidia and one of the "reason" behind Origin PC dropped AMD GPU in their built.
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lol. okie. make sense from pov on business. but as consumer, heck i juz want the hell out of my money spent. i even overvolt/oc my gpu till my psu unable to supply the power to my pc = auto shutdown. but i'm satisfied with the extra few fps without forking out extra $$. for me, OC capability is one of the criteria to look at when buying cpu/gpu.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 18 2013, 03:17 PM)
lol. okie. make sense from pov on business. but as consumer, heck i juz want the hell out of my money spent. i even overvolt/oc my gpu till my psu unable to supply the power to my pc = auto shutdown. but i'm satisfied with the extra few fps without forking out extra $$. for me, OC capability is one of the criteria to look at when buying cpu/gpu.
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Indeed, i really hate when i can't have full control of the item i purchased. It's like buying a million dollar ferrari car but you can only drive it on the their track. laugh.gif

That's why i scrapped the idea of buying reference GTX670 which cost 200 more. OC is definitely a criteria i looked for when i bought my 7950 last January,
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AMD cards do throttle, I tried remove their heatsink, the temps shootup to 99C and it throttles. I managed not to fry my card. It happened with one of my HD6xxx-series. HD7xxx-series have this, too.
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 18 2013, 03:36 PM)
AMD cards do throttle, I tried remove their heatsink, the temps shootup to 99C and it throttles. I managed not to fry my card. It happened with one of my HD6xxx-series. HD7xxx-series have this, too.
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cheap gpu to become your white mouse? laugh.gif
i think that 1 is the safe-guard (throttle). iinm 105C is the breaking point = gpu fried. hence at 99C the throttle kicks in. but i think no one would like to have our gc at 99C even tho its stable lulz. 90C is still an acceptable range for me if oc kaw kaw. (previous 7870xt indeed reach 90C on furmark.....).
aside this, vram can easily hit 100C above (around 110 to be exact-but google say vram can withstand up to 125C).....7870xt, vapor-x 4get
as long as amd did not implement 80C throttle or below, i'm a happy GPU OC'er. my vapor-x + 2 custom fan manage to keep the gc under 75C on extensive gaming - Splinter Cell Blacklist - vysnc off usage 95% and above on gameplay. (board li-on +20 - i don't quite understand how this works anyway doh.gif ).

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I buy the cards, overclock, undervolt and re-profile the fans, to make them run below 70C under stress.
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Anyone been able to test out the R-series yet? Just wanna hear some opinions from the crowd. I don't trust the review from IT websites.
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AMD Radeon R9 290X Preview: Bioshock Infinite Benchmarks in Ultra High Definition (4K)

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^ Lower right note "Kepler with Fixed Boost" what is that?
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^ Lower right note "Kepler with Fixed Boost" what is that?
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The nvidia cards have a turbo boost feature which kicks in a certain times. I guess this means they ran the benchmark at constant turbo boost.
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Pre order R9 280X Toxic from lingloong...it just RM1219 + shipping cost...very cheap lah... drool.gif drool.gif

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http://videocardz.com/46929/official-amd-r...rmance-17-games

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only viewnet already update price for R9 series

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 18 2013, 04:37 PM)
woot?? how can 6gb of rams also lose meh? blink.gif
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only viewnet already update price for R9 series
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they put saje only gua... official pricing not announced for r9 oso unsure.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 09:00 PM)
280x not R9?
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 09:03 PM)
oops i keep thinking 290 onli doh.gif
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 18 2013, 08:10 PM)
http://videocardz.com/46929/official-amd-r...rmance-17-games
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wow shocking.gif , in terms of performance it's a must buy card but then we need a gpu waterblock to cool down this beast..cant wait to see how it performs on 1080p and 1440p res since this is where we're gaming at.
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If the performance math is linear, R9-290X can sink Titan/GTX780.
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I hope the maths is right.
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if it can win the titan and 780 then it will immediately become the most popular card. but i doubt because a rm2100-rm2200 card can win over the rm3500 card? or its nvidia is really all the while sucking consumer's blood that heavily?? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2013, 11:00 PM)
if it can win the titan and 780 then it will immediately become the most popular card. but i doubt because a rm2100-rm2200 card can win over the rm3500 card? or its nvidia is really all the while sucking consumer's blood that heavily?? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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When there was only Titan/780, it is the best money can buy.
So, if you were nvidia, wouldn't you simply sell it at its reasonable price?

Plus, it seems that Nvidia have difficulty getting out big amount of the chip, so it has to be charged a premium to balance out the demand against the supply.

AMD, if they don't have the yield problem, then it would be about making money the fastest way possible, that is to sell them at a more reasonable price.

No, Nvidia is not sucking money. They're just doing business.
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Nvidia memang sucking blood with Titan and GTX780 laugh.gif
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When there aren't any competition, they can actually set whatever price they want.

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GK110 551mm² die size is at the limit of 28nm fab. The yield is very low, that's is one of the reason Titan cost alot.

HD7970 destroyed GTX580 on launch and stay at the top for 6 months, you don't see USD1,000 price tag on it.
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i can't wait see MSI R9 290X.. hmm price price...
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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 18 2013, 11:09 PM)
When there was only Titan/780, it is the best money can buy.
So, if you were nvidia, wouldn't you simply sell it at its reasonable price?

Plus, it seems that Nvidia have difficulty getting out big amount of the chip, so it has to be charged a premium to balance out the demand against the supply.

AMD, if they don't have the yield problem, then it would be about making money the fastest way possible, that is to sell them at a more reasonable price.

No, Nvidia is not sucking money. They're just doing business.
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yup just like acid said.. when 7970 own the single gpu market that time why they dont set the card to a very high price tag since there is no competition yet? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 08:49 AM)
yup just like acid said.. when 7970 own the single gpu market that time why they dont set the card to a very high price tag since there is no competition yet? hmm.gif
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well if you're looking for competition.. Nvidia just announced the GTX780Ti whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Oct 19 2013, 09:47 AM)
well if you're looking for competition.. Nvidia just announced the GTX780Ti  whistling.gif
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if those speculations r correct 290x can top even the titan.. 780Ti is only in between titan and 780 hmm.gif

ok what matters most is the performance/value/price.. again according to the early speculations 290x can top the titan and wanna sell at a lower price why dont they set it at rm3k vs titan rm3.5k but wanna set the price tag lower than the 780 rm2.5k.. can't brain this. oh well their main point is to fight 780 but just found out that 290x can even win the titan in 4k? this AMD is acting so fake but i like it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 10:59 AM)
...wanna sell at a lower price why dont they set it at rm3k vs titan rm3.5k but wanna set the price tag lower than the 780 rm2.5k.. can't brain this...
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I oredi explained above, read again, and think a little bit.
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I oredi explained above, read again, and think a little bit.
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i know bcoz titan/780 cannot do mass production.. huh? why AMD can make as many as they wanted for their cards. Nvidia should learn this part faster
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Well.. i think nvidia is sucking money... not doing business..
Anyway.. havent been using nvidia... prefer amd since its value for money...
And i notice nvidia card is way overprice here.. to many middle man.. i guess
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Well.. i think nvidia is sucking money... not doing business..
Anyway.. havent been using nvidia... prefer amd since its value for money...
And i notice nvidia card is way overprice here.. to many middle man.. i guess
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 11:16 AM)
i know bcoz titan/780 cannot do mass production.. huh? why AMD can make as many as they wanted for their cards. Nvidia should learn this part faster
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They did make GK104 as many as they want. laugh.gif

They had a deal with OAK Ridge in upgrading Cray's Jaguar supercomputer back in 2011, they a need truckload of GK110 chip.. 18,688 to be exact, they finished it in late 2012 and GTX Titan was released early January this year? They had to milk something from all those failed Tesla K20.

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Just got my R9-280X and it's super long, just fit in nice in my CM690 casing.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 19 2013, 12:35 PM)
Just got my R9-280X and it's super long, just fit in nice in my CM690 casing.
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QUOTE(BrianLai @ Oct 19 2013, 12:40 PM)
Toxic ker? Yeah that is one long mofo
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Asus DirectCUII TOP edition, still quite long. Almost hit my hard drive bay. Maybe like 1cm more.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 19 2013, 12:13 PM)
They did make GK104 as many as they want. laugh.gif

They had a deal with OAK Ridge in upgrading Cray's Jaguar supercomputer back in 2011, they a need truckload of GK110 chip.. 18,688  to be exact, they finished it in late 2012 and GTX Titan was released early January this year? They had to milk something from all those failed Tesla K20.
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they shouldn't hisap from the consumers (morally) to cover their loss..

i think titan buyers r not really rationale in thinking and must be nvidia's die hard fans so they willing to pay the extraSSSs to help nvidia
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 19 2013, 12:42 PM)
Asus DirectCUII TOP edition, still quite long. Almost hit my hard drive bay. Maybe like 1cm more.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 19 2013, 12:42 PM)
Asus DirectCUII TOP edition, still quite long. Almost hit my hard drive bay. Maybe like 1cm more.
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Just imagine the Toxic version of that , just wow! Was tempted to get that if I saved up enough but researched quite a bit and found out that it is quite a long card , wouldn't fit my casing , got the wrong one I guess , HDD slots are facing left instead of outwards sad.gif

Anyway , do post some benchies here! smile.gif
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Just got my R9-280X and it's super long, just fit in nice in my CM690 casing.
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Oct 19 2013, 02:03 PM)
Just imagine the Toxic version of that , just wow! Was tempted to get that if I saved up enough but researched quite a bit and found out that it is quite a long card , wouldn't fit my casing , got the wrong one I guess , HDD slots are facing left instead of outwards sad.gif

Anyway , do post some benchies here! smile.gif
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the old 690 huh? not II or II Advanced where u wan remove the extra slots
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 02:04 PM)
the old 690 huh? not II or II Advanced where u wan remove the extra slots
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Oct 19 2013, 02:07 PM)
No la , just some not so famous Silverstone casing. Can't even find it in their website now lol.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 19 2013, 01:56 PM)
Tested the performance yet?
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Oct 19 2013, 02:03 PM)
Just imagine the Toxic version of that , just wow! Was tempted to get that if I saved up enough but researched quite a bit and found out that it is quite a long card , wouldn't fit my casing , got the wrong one I guess , HDD slots are facing left instead of outwards sad.gif

Anyway , do post some benchies here! smile.gif
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CPU bottleneck, I only have a 720BE and my board can't unlock. Asus removed core unlock feature -.- Need to get a FX8320 before I do some testing.

I tried MSI Kombust, AA x8 or no AA or any resolution, FPS is still 90+.

QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 02:03 PM)
too bad for 280x we have to oc the card ourselves.. the custom cooling ones no diff in performance vs reference cooling
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I try a little OC on stock voltage, now at 1120Mhz core and still ok. Not yet push it.

QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 19 2013, 02:04 PM)
the old 690 huh? not II or II Advanced where u wan remove the extra slots
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Also ASUS just gave me a crossfire bridge, nothing else, no adapter, no cable sad.gif

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Ok, I googled around and people say 1160 core should be fine with stock voltage. Actually what impress me is the fan speed. Even on full load it maintain around 60-62 and fan speed was just 20+%.

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13.9 or beta 13.11 ?
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Can't wait for 780Ti vs 290x benchmarks!! biggrin.gif
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Uber mode, give zero improvement. Either it still not finish or it just a switch for overclockers.
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Impressive crossfire scaling but no frame timing graph.
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Anyway..new crossfire performance on 290x...
http://videocardz.com/46990/amd-radeon-r9-...rformance-leaks
Very impressive.. scallig between 1.8 to near 2. Previous bf3 which has scaling issues with 7000 series.. but 290x has near 2 scaling.. definitely impressive
But amd quite smart, didnt do scaling test with skyrim... although they did a single card test with this game
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 19 2013, 10:50 PM)
Anyway..new crossfire performance on 290x...
http://videocardz.com/46990/amd-radeon-r9-...rformance-leaks
Very impressive.. scallig between 1.8 to near 2. Previous bf3 which has scaling issues with 7000 series.. but 290x has near 2 scaling.. definitely impressive
But amd quite smart, didnt do scaling test with skyrim... although they did a single card test with this game
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Can't wait for 780Ti vs 290x benchmarks!! biggrin.gif
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I think nvidia g-sync is very important technology. We've been stuck with limitations of monitor technology. fixed refresh rate, cause frame rate to caps at 60hz. Not many have 120hz monitor.

G-sync dynamically change refresh rate to whatever gpu fps to match it. What is the point of having fast GPU but the bottleneck is your monitor? What we want is fluid motion in gaming, and refresh rate is important just like fps too.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 20 2013, 09:08 AM)
I think nvidia g-sync is very important technology.  We've been stuck with limitations of monitor technology. fixed refresh rate, cause frame rate to caps at 60hz.  Not many have 120hz monitor.

G-sync dynamically change refresh rate to whatever gpu fps to match it. What is the point of having fast GPU but the bottleneck is your monitor? What we want is fluid motion in gaming, and refresh rate is important just like fps too.
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Normally this is fixed if you turn on V-sync hmm.gif

Problem is that the G-SYNC module costs USD100 more, with that money you can buy a better monitor or higher class GPU.
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 20 2013, 09:15 AM)
Normally this is fixed if you turn on V-sync hmm.gif

Problem is that the G-SYNC module costs USD100 more, with that money you can buy a better monitor or higher class GPU.
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The point of G-Sync is fluid motion. Better monitor still have lock refresh rate. IPS panel still stuck at 60hz, there are some can be overclock. 120hz monitor still fixed refresh rate, but minimize the tearing effect.

We pay graphic card more than USD100 to have fluid motion, not high FPS alone. Having high FPS does not really translate fluid motion in these modern day because the bottleneck is current monitor technology. Unlike old school days where 20-30 fps make big difference to give the fluid motion impression. GPU during those days still primitive and strugle to give at least 30fps at 800x600. Dynamic refresh rate is the future of gaming, and motion pictures.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 20 2013, 09:22 AM)
The point of G-Sync is fluid motion.  Better monitor still have lock refresh rate. IPS panel still stuck at 60hz, there are some can be overclock.  120hz monitor still fixed refresh rate, but minimize the tearing effect. 

We pay graphic card more than USD100 to have fluid motion, not high FPS alone.  Having high FPS does not really translate fluid motion in these modern day because the bottleneck is current monitor technology.  Unlike old school days where 20-30 fps make big difference to give the fluid motion impression. GPU during those days still primitive and strugle to give at least 30fps at 800x600. Dynamic refresh rate is the future of gaming, and motion pictures.
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I don't think it's fluid motion as opposed to removal of screen tears and v-sync related input lag hmm.gif
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I don't think it's fluid motion as opposed to removal of screen tears and v-sync related input lag hmm.gif
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Nvidia demos at relatively 60fps. The benefit of g-sync is to get match fps with refresh rate. The fluid motion is when the fps is higher than 60 and the refresh rate can match it.

I would rather spent moneys more on monitor that gives the feature, rather than focusing on upgrading gpu. This is long waited technology. Everyone is busy with 3d, and 4k.. but not variable refresh rate.

Refresh rate issue is long due problem since the introduction of motion pictures.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 20 2013, 09:54 AM)
Nvidia demos at relatively 60fps.  The benefit of g-sync is to get match fps with refresh rate. The fluid motion is when the fps is higher than 60 and the refresh rate can match it.

I would rather spent moneys more on monitor that gives the feature, rather than focusing on upgrading gpu. This is long waited technology. Everyone is busy with 3d, and 4k.. but not variable refresh rate.

Refresh rate issue is long due problem since the introduction of motion pictures.
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That's not fluid motion, but rather the removal of screen tears caused by monitor already halfway displaying a picture and GPU generated a fresh new frame.
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That's not fluid motion, but rather the removal of screen tears caused by monitor already halfway displaying a picture and GPU generated a fresh new frame.
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What is your fluid motion by your definitions?
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 20 2013, 09:54 AM)
Nvidia demos at relatively 60fps.  The benefit of g-sync is to get match fps with refresh rate. The fluid motion is when the fps is higher than 60 and the refresh rate can match it.

I would rather spent moneys more on monitor that gives the feature, rather than focusing on upgrading gpu. This is long waited technology. Everyone is busy with 3d, and 4k.. but not variable refresh rate.

Refresh rate issue is long due problem since the introduction of motion pictures.
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The concept is good I'd say - This is indeed a long overdue issue which needed to be addressed.
What irks me are some unanswered questions though not necessary only pointing to nVidia unless stated:

1) This is an issue known for years. A solution (hardware/software) should had been implemented since years ago, why did nobody took this up much earlier? Why now when 120hz monitors had been released (admittedly, relatively young)?

2) Is nVidia going to patent and make this an nVidia-only concept? OK this is just me being paranoid, my gut's not feeling to comfortable seeing how nVidia's market recently had been diversifying (Tegra, nVidia shield), and how would they react to the recent decline in PC market share? Reminiscent of..... Apple. nVidia's making themselves unique from their competitor, which is a good thing. But with G-Sync, would they take the patent route on this attempt?


Maybe it's a good thing that nVidia implemented the G-Sync, so down the road we can see how AMD responds to it with their own implementation. Maybe AMD will reply "we will continue churning out butt-powerful cards and you just need to turn on V-Snyc". Whatever it is, hopefully nothing "closed-sourced" or strictly patented, that all.



Still, I am not gonna wait for G-Sync as my desktop is dead and I NEED a PC within this year. lol

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Oct 20 2013, 10:20 AM)
The concept is good I'd say - This is indeed a long overdue issue which needed to be addressed.
What irks me are some unanswered questions though not necessary only pointing to nVidia unless stated:

1) This is an issue known for years. A solution (hardware/software) should had been implemented since years ago, why did nobody took this up much earlier? Why now when 120hz monitors had been released (admittedly, relatively young)?

2) Is nVidia going to patent and make this an nVidia-only concept? OK this is just me being paranoid, my gut's not feeling to comfortable seeing how nVidia's market recently had been diversifying (Tegra, nVidia shield), and how would they react to the recent decline in PC market share? Reminiscent of..... Apple. nVidia's making themselves unique from their competitor, which is a good thing. But with G-Sync, would they take the patent route on this attempt?
Maybe it's a good thing that nVidia implemented the G-Sync, so down the road we can see how AMD responds to it with their own implementation. Maybe AMD will reply "we will continue churning out butt-powerful cards and you just need to turn on V-Snyc". Whatever it is, hopefully nothing "closed-sourced" or strictly patented, that all.
Still, I am not gonna wait for G-Sync as my desktop is dead and I NEED a PC within this year. lol
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What is your fluid motion by your definitions?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/...d_other_things/

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Say, for example, that part of the image contains what should have been displayed at the 15 second mark and the other part consists of what should have been displayed at the 16 second mark. In the time between those images, your view may have veered slightly to the right, so part of the image will look slightly further to the right while the other part is still straight on. The image is therefore misaligned at parts, resulting in the tearing effect.

Another way to put this is to say the graphics card and monitor have gone out of sync: the graphics card is kicking out frames faster than the monitor can display them. This is where VSync enters the picture. VSync literally stands for "Vertical Synchronization." Its job is to make sure the images vertically align, and it does this by making the graphics card a slave to the monitor.
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/...nnounces_gsync/

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G-SYNC allows the refresh rate to be variable in the monitor. That means if your GPU is drawing 50FPS, your monitor will refresh at 50hz, eliminating the possibility that a frame will come in before the monitor is done refreshing.

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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 20 2013, 10:55 AM)
Smoothness/fluid motion is visible even at lower 60fps with g-sync. Just like the old days gaming on crt low res with high refresh rate, even less than 60fps we can perceive the fluidness.
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Smoothness/fluid motion is visible even at lower 60fps with g-sync.  Just like the old days gaming on crt low res with high refresh rate, even less than 60fps we can perceive the fluidness.
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Smoothness is generally attributed to framerate and lack of fps spikes, and slightly related is input lag. Even with G-sync, 30fps and below will still feel sluggish compared to 60fps.

CRTs have lower response time than TN which has lower response time than IPS.

What G-Sync solves is this:
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EDIT: do you mean less stutters?

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My rig with RadeonPro Dynamic-Vsync

No screen tearing = Checked
No input lag = Checked
No vsync stutters/hard frame drop = Checked

Since 2012 and it's free. sleep.gif
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 20 2013, 11:11 AM)
Smoothness is generally attributed to framerate and lack of fps spikes, and slightly related is input lag. Even with G-sync, 30fps and below will still feel sluggish compared to 60fps.

CRTs have lower response time than TN which has lower response time than IPS.

What G-Sync solves is this:
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EDIT: do you mean less stutters?
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sory guys .. 1 question about what u all mention hmm.gif hmm.gif this problem only got if play game using multi monitor ?
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QUOTE(sleyer @ Oct 20 2013, 11:45 AM)
sory guys ..  1 question about what u all mention  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  this problem only got if play  game using multi monitor ?
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Which problem? Stutter or screen tearing? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 20 2013, 09:08 AM)
I think nvidia g-sync is very important technology.  We've been stuck with limitations of monitor technology. fixed refresh rate, cause frame rate to caps at 60hz.  Not many have 120hz monitor.

G-sync dynamically change refresh rate to whatever gpu fps to match it. What is the point of having fast GPU but the bottleneck is your monitor? What we want is fluid motion in gaming, and refresh rate is important just like fps too.
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QUOTE(sleyer @ Oct 20 2013, 12:02 PM)
this one
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 20 2013, 11:37 AM)
My rig with RadeonPro Dynamic-Vsync

No screen tearing = Checked
No input lag = Checked
No vsync stutters/hard frame drop = Checked

Since 2012 and it's free.  sleep.gif
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NVidia aslo have this technology call adaptive sync

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology...sync/technology


The problem is still there because screen tearing still occur below fps is below 60 when vsync off sad.gif .

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=380120

check this.



now Nvdia solve this problem by having variable refresh rate for monitor

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g-sync is still very long to go ok? whats so fun about it? looks like it u only can have g-sync if only u own a nvidia g-sync ready monitor and as usual nvidia is gonna charge very high price bcoz only they have 'it'

ok i know what can 780Ti do if it really came out, that is top the Titan oced laugh.gif
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Is that the reason why Watch Dog delayed to Q1 2014? brows.gif

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 20 2013, 12:57 PM)
g-sync is still very long to go ok? whats so fun about it? looks like it u only can have g-sync if only u own a nvidia g-sync ready monitor and as usual nvidia is gonna charge very high price bcoz only they have 'it'

ok i know what can 780Ti do if it really came out, that is top the Titan oced laugh.gif
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Either AMD should do something about it, or gamers will choose Nvidia over AMD. G-sync is that important. Nvidia solved problem where everybody can't solved it.

This technology should be license and standard, just like any technology breakthrough. But knowing nvidia, they won't. So, everyone should embrace this technology or else, we will still stuck at old age technology where refresh rate is fixed. No point of having 4k, 10k display if the panel is still stuck at 60hz fixed rate. Media sources (movies, tvs, games) are running at different frames and refresh rate, if panel still have fixed refresh rate, then it suck.


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Dont think g-sync going to be a technology standArd.. what gsync can do radeonpro and nvidia inpector can do it for free.... but just need to know a bit of tweak
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 20 2013, 07:11 PM)
Dont think g-sync going to be a technology standArd.. what gsync can do radeonpro and nvidia inpector can do it for free.... but just need to know a bit of tweak
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G-sync is a hardware underneath monitor. Not software. No such thing as tweak can make your monitor to run at variable refresh rate.
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U can capped the frame to 30, 48, 50, 60, 72, 75 depends on ur monitor... and also how powerful ur card...
With this u can reduce the micro-stuter n reduce the screen tearing since the frame rate variance is minimal
For amd radeonpro.. nvidia nvidia inspector... u should play with these two great tweak apps
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 20 2013, 07:59 PM)
U can capped the frame to 30, 48, 50, 60, 72, 75 depends on ur monitor... and also how powerful ur card...
With this u can reduce the micro-stuter n reduce the screen tearing since the frame rate variance is minimal
For amd radeonpro.. nvidia nvidia inspector... u should play with these two great tweak apps
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No bro... it is not about frames capping. It is about realtime variable refresh rate. No matter how powerful your graphic cards, the bottom line is your monitor is 60hz (unless you are using 120-144hz). What is the point with fast gpu at the end you capping it at 60fps?

When refresh rate is match with fps, it is not only solved tearing and stuttering, it gives you the smoothness, fluid motion.

The limitation is not in your GPU, it is on the display panel.
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G-sync... interesting tech. Nvidia is gambling on tech. Asus comes out a product which supports this to test the consumer's responds..
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U can capped the frame to 30, 48, 50, 60, 72, 75 depends on ur monitor... and also how powerful ur card...
With this u can reduce the micro-stuter n reduce the screen tearing since the frame rate variance is minimal
For amd radeonpro.. nvidia nvidia inspector... u should play with these two great tweak apps
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or we just turn v-sync on, problem solved hmm.gif
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when v-sync on it will introduce mouse lag too sad.gif
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G-sync, is one good thing, and think it is a right move bringing something like this to consumers. It is not just for gaming, it may be the future of everything video - variable fps movies, documentary, action telecasts, and of course, gaming. In terms of 'bigness', I think nvidia nailed this one, compared to Mantle.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 20 2013, 08:12 PM)
G-sync... interesting tech. Nvidia is gambling on tech. Asus comes out a product which supports this to test the consumer's responds..
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Yeah but have to buy monitor that is compatible  sweat.gif
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Looks like G-Sync is going to be out of most consumer reach... unsure.gif
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QUOTE(AaronFPS @ Oct 20 2013, 09:30 PM)
Yeah but have to buy monitor that is compatible  sweat.gif
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wat if AMD do the same except it open its technology to be adopted as a industrial standard... then, Nvidia is having a risky bet.
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The problem with vsync... if ur gpu process less than 57fps.. it will pull down to 30fps.. so basically ur gpu resource will be wasted since the addition 27frames will be discarded.. with proper frame capping, ur gpu will limit it frame so the gpu can optimised the frame process.. this will reduce frame variance as well reducing screen tearing
Previously im using 7950.. with metro i cant maintain the 60fps.. so i just capped the frame to 48fps.. smooth gameplay
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G-sync remind me a physx, need buy extra hardware to support it.
$.$....

I still prefer use LED TV as my monitor...
If I have extra money, I will buy 60' LED TV for gaming, movie and anime ><""
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 20 2013, 09:46 PM)
The problem with vsync... if ur gpu process less than 57fps.. it will pull down to 30fps.. so basically ur gpu resource will be wasted since the addition 27frames will be discarded.. with proper frame capping, ur gpu will limit it frame so the gpu can optimised the frame process.. this will reduce frame variance as well reducing screen tearing
Previously im using 7950.. with metro i cant maintain the 60fps.. so i just capped the frame to 48fps.. smooth gameplay
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Dynamic-Vsync will disabled Vsync when your FPS is under 59 so there's no hard frame drop to 30fps and coupled with TripleBuffering, the input lag is non existent

QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Oct 20 2013, 09:48 PM)
G-sync remind me a physx, need buy extra hardware to support it.
$.$....

I still prefer use LED TV as my monitor...
If I have extra money, I will buy 60' LED TV  for gaming, movie and anime ><""
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As always, early adopter need to pay premium.

Asus announced first GSYNC ready monitor for $399 and $175 for the GSYNC kit. 1080p, TN panel and 24" for $399 and that is US price without taxes. Surely it will get around $500 when it reach local shore.

Sauce: ASUS Announces Adoption of NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 20 2013, 10:45 PM)
Dynamic-Vsync will disabled Vsync when your FPS is under 59 so there's no hard frame drop to 30fps and coupled with TripleBuffering, the input lag is non existent
As always, early adopter need to pay premium.

Asus announced first GSYNC ready monitor for $399 and $175 for the GSYNC kit. 1080p, TN panel and 24" for $399 and that is US price without taxes. Surely it will get around $500 when it reach local shore.

Sauce: ASUS Announces Adoption of NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology
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omg. d heck with that price. aint a dell u2713hm is a better buy? tho i'm not quite understand the advantage of the Gsync, but as a user, not really wallet friendly to me hmm.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 20 2013, 11:10 PM)
omg. d heck with that price. aint a dell u2713hm is a better buy? tho i'm not quite understand the advantage of the Gsync, but as a user, not really wallet friendly to me hmm.gif
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Totally, and i'm done with TN panel.

The advantage is that there will be no jerkiness/stutters, input lag and tearing even when the FPS is below/over your typical 60fps. It doesn't work below 30fps though.
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Dynamic-Vsync will disabled Vsync when your FPS is under 59 so there's no hard frame drop to 30fps and coupled with TripleBuffering, the input lag is non existent
As always, early adopter need to pay premium.
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Yep.. totlly agree with u.. with dynamic vsync / adaptive vsync when ur fps under 59, it wont pull down the frame to 30fps as.as the vsync is disable... however screen tearing still can happen if the frame variance between frame is high
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 20 2013, 11:25 PM)
Yep.. totlly agree with u.. with dynamic vsync / adaptive vsync when ur fps under 59, it wont pull down the frame to 30fps as.as the vsync is disable... however screen tearing still can happen if the frame variance between frame is high
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Yeah but so far i only get that in Farcry 3 and rFactor 2. No tearing in Crysis 3 even though the fps is under 60.

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G-Sync: Once you have it, then you know it. smile.gif
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ASUS is glad to announce the Pre-Order Campaign of ASUS AMD RADEON™ R9 290X Battlefield 4 Limited Edition Graphics Card. Campaign period begins today and ends on October 23rd, 2013. Full deposit is required to be paid up front latest by 1700 MYT, 23rd October 2013.

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dun worry this is the pre-order + limited edition so it will have a premium price.. moreover this is the Malaysia price(premium as usual doh.gif )
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RM2799 is already pretty cheap when vs the TITANs. thats is on a BF4 edition + the launch price premium + on Asus.

So I think at some point it will settle around 2K for the basic edition.



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^ Well, AMD said 290x was meant to compete with the GTX780.
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The pre-order IMO is worth it. The headset alone is RM500+ IINM.
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fuiyo... rm2799...
well.. if compared to what nvidia offering... this is reasonable considering hav the free headset...
hopefully when toxic is out the price is rm2199..
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2799RM!? better wait til all other vendors come out their own 290X products.
For me, 2799RM 290X BF4 box is too pricey.

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2799RM!? better wait til all other vendors come out their own 290X products.
For me, 2799RM 290X BF4 box is too pricey.
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according to c-zone, orion pro is RM339 huh.gif

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according to c-zone, orion pro is RM339 huh.gif
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339 + bf4 rm140? so the extra 500? hmm, amd havent release the RRP yet right?
asus premium bundle kinda high. mcm every item also at max retail price, or the gc price is juz that high?
nvidia cheapest 780 is how much? 2k?
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339 + bf4 rm140? so the extra 500? hmm, amd havent release the RRP yet right?
asus premium bundle kinda high. mcm every item also at max retail price, or the gc price is juz that high?
nvidia cheapest 780 is how much? 2k?
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Cheapest I saw for 780 was RM2199.
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Oct 21 2013, 07:15 PM)
Cheapest I saw for 780 was RM2199.
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ahhh. seems reasonable for the asus premium pack now. i thought its 1.8k cheapest for 780. doh.gif
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ahhh. seems reasonable for the asus premium pack now. i thought its 1.8k cheapest for 780.  doh.gif
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Hahaha , Nvidia where got so cheap for their flagship one? laugh.gif

Anyway , so we have to wait till 25th to know the real pricing then?...
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We can expect Asus to sell for RM300-500 more than Leadtek/Sapphire huh.gif

BF4 bundle is probably unescapable these two months, then again it makes no sense to buy 290x and not play the game (BF4) which takes full advantage of Mantle.

Probably Sapphire will sell it for around RM2200.

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if u minus all those extra bundle, u can pretty much guess the pricing for Sapphire is somewhere around RM1.8K-2K

not bad for a card that equal or beat TITAN. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 21 2013, 07:24 PM)
We can expect Asus to sell for RM300-500 more than Leadtek/Sapphire huh.gif

BF4 bundle is probably unescapable these two months, then again it makes no sense to buy 290x and not play the game (BF4) which takes full advantage of Mantle.

Probably Sapphire will sell it for around RM2200.
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Oh god suddenly the urge to buy 290x.
Must. Focus. On. 280x.
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^ Well, AMD said 290x was meant to compete with the GTX780.
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AMD is so good at acting riao laugh.gif
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Oh god suddenly the urge to buy 290x.
Must. Focus. On. 280x.
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Meet halfway. 290 biggrin.gif if the pricing is right i might get that instead of the 280x toxic
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QUOTE(BrianLai @ Oct 21 2013, 10:41 PM)
Meet halfway. 290 biggrin.gif if the pricing is right i might get that instead of the 280x toxic
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The pricing will be out around 25th right?

Right now my desktop only lacks GPU, therefore so tempting to buy whichever have stock first ):

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QUOTE(Puteih @ Oct 21 2013, 10:44 PM)
The pricing will be out around 25th right?

Right now my desktop only lacks GPU, therefore so tempting to buy whichever have stock first ):
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290x all the way it is! tongue.gif
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which 280x to get? I was eyeing for asus 280x dc top and sapphire 280x vapor x.

Should I wait for 290x or buy the 280x? I suspect the pricing for 290x would be very expensive and I'm on tight budget :-(
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Oct 22 2013, 08:05 AM)
which 280x to get? I was eyeing for asus 280x dc top and sapphire 280x vapor x.

Should I wait for 290x or buy the 280x? I suspect the pricing for 290x would be very expensive and I'm on tight budget :-(
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you can bet that its around 2k+. mayb 290 @ 1.7k or so. else, 280x is a good buy. ask sasaug brows.gif
the price he get for asus dcuII compare to vapor-x is less than <Rm100 or RM50 different. if you ask me, going asus for that extra little amount is worth it for extra 1 yr warranty. and dcuii cooler is good too smile.gif

on the Gsync, its kinda a hefty investment for red card due to monitor. i juz gotten my u2713hm for 1.8k and need to for sell it n get a asus 24" tn panel @1.5k or +-more as well as a green card (which is not so price/performance friendly for me). but if its good for gaming, might consider it. else i'm a happy man now. - Dell u2713hm ips panel w/ GSYNC @ 2.2k? hmm.gif
(somehow i hope nvidia should juz licence it instead of close door).

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When in doubt, never buy the 1st version... The consumers always be the victims of the technology standard... e.g, HDDVD vs bluray..
early adopters always get screwed. Gsync is still new, only 4 providers support it... Those big players like samseng and dell never mention about it.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Oct 22 2013, 08:05 AM)
which 280x to get? I was eyeing for asus 280x dc top and sapphire 280x vapor x.

Should I wait for 290x or buy the 280x? I suspect the pricing for 290x would be very expensive and I'm on tight budget :-(
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The ASUS R9-280X is a good card. Me and another forumer can overclock it to like 1180/1700 on stock voltage, up from 1070/1600. Mine Vcore stock is at 1.186V while his one is lower but after he bump up to 1.188V, he can do 1200/1700.
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GTX 780 Ti spec leaked. I say it will beat or on par with 290x out of the box. The question now is the price.

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Sauce: http://www.chiphell.com/thread-880923-1-1.html
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GTX 780 Ti spec leaked. I say it will beat or on par with 290x out of the box. The question now is the price.

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Sauce: http://www.chiphell.com/thread-880923-1-1.html
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then what is the titan for? nvidia killing their prime card? hmm.gif and price will be higher than 780/290x since its between 780 and titan. 2.8k?

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 22 2013, 09:02 AM)
When in doubt, never buy the 1st version... The consumers always be the victims of the technology standard... e.g, HDDVD vs bluray..
early adopters always get screwed. Gsync is still new, only 4 providers support it... Those big players like samseng and dell never mention about it.
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they probably trying to figure out how this thing work on all GPUs.

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ohmy facepalm they really wanna do 780Ti becoz no nvidia card beats Titan oced yet laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 22 2013, 09:51 AM)
then what is the titan for? nvidia killing their prime card? hmm.gif and price will be higher than 780/290x since its between 780 and titan. 2.8k?
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Titan will still be faster if you do compute work, or use CUDA-supported programs like Blender
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Oct 22 2013, 11:24 AM)
Titan will still be faster if you do compute work, or use CUDA-supported programs like Blender
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Titan GPGPU highlight only in double precision floating point, other just meh. Even 7970GE is faster than a Titan in many of the GPGPU test.
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This so call GTX780ti price hasn't show up yet, AMD is playing guessing game. tongue.gif what if AMD's 290x price @ 599USD. it's going to punch GTX780's face really hard.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 22 2013, 12:55 PM)
Titan GPGPU highlight only in double precision floating point, other just meh. Even 7970GE is faster than a Titan in many of the GPGPU test.
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unfortunately compute applications are using CUDA thanks to mature API and documentation
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Oct 22 2013, 01:51 PM)
unfortunately compute applications are using CUDA thanks to mature API and documentation
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Mind showing me which Cuda software that have significant advantage on Titan but not 780? By significant i mean 30%-50% difference. hmm.gif

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wta, between this 2 psu, CM Silent Pro Hybrid Series 850w & Silverstone Gold Evo 850w, which you will go for? iinm its enough to drive 7970ghz CF and FX8350 right.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 22 2013, 02:16 PM)
Mind showing me which Cuda software that have significant advantage on Titan but not 780? By significant i mean 30%-50% difference. hmm.gif
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforc...ew,3516-26.html

generally 3D rendering users will see the biggest boost

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 22 2013, 02:18 PM)
wta, between this 2 psu, CM Silent Pro Hybrid Series 850w & Silverstone Gold Evo 850w, which you will go for? iinm its enough to drive 7970ghz CF and FX8350 right.
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try using this: biggrin.gif

http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index.html

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Asus R9-280X DirectCUII TOP @ 1180/1700Mhz, up from 1070/1600. Stock voltage, which is 1.186V for mine.

Previously I didn't post benchmark because my CPU bottleneck, I lost like 10FPS from these result. Just got my FX-8350 today, stock voltage, clock it up to 4.3Ghz and ran these test.
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Oct 22 2013, 02:22 PM)
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generally 3D rendering users will see the biggest boost
try using this:  biggrin.gif

http://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index.html
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recommend me a 1k watt psu shocking.gif thxs for d site.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 22 2013, 02:28 PM)
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Asus R9-280X DirectCUII TOP @ 1180/1700Mhz, up from 1070/1600. Stock voltage, which is 1.186V for mine.

Previously I didn't post benchmark because my CPU bottleneck, I lost like 10FPS from these result. Just got my FX-8350 today, stock voltage, clock it up to 4.3Ghz and ran these test.
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Did you increase board power limit?

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 22 2013, 02:33 PM)
recommend me a 1k watt psu  shocking.gif thxs for d site.
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LMAO
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Did you increase board power limit?
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Yea by 20%, just no voltage change.
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 22 2013, 03:13 PM)
Yea by 20%, just no voltage change.
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suprise that u didnt need to change the voltage.. earlier with my previous 7950, to get higher memory clock, i need to tweak the voltage a bit... if not.. tak leh jalan...
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 22 2013, 03:46 PM)
suprise that u didnt need to change the voltage.. earlier with my previous 7950, to get higher memory clock, i need to tweak the voltage a bit... if not.. tak leh jalan...
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 22 2013, 02:33 PM)
recommend me a 1k watt psu  shocking.gif thxs for d site.
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WTF so ganas rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 22 2013, 03:46 PM)
suprise that u didnt need to change the voltage.. earlier with my previous 7950, to get higher memory clock, i need to tweak the voltage a bit... if not.. tak leh jalan...
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Depends on card, another forumer here have 1.15x Vcore card, where he need to push up to 1.188/1.375V to match something what I can do. My stock is at 1.186V.

The weird part is I can run benchmark but if I play dota2, I get screen freeze but sound still going on. I have to downclock then it ok then after I clock it to normal, it happens again then i clock the memory then its fine. Not sure what's the problem.



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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 22 2013, 03:13 PM)
Yea by 20%, just no voltage change.
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Not sure whether because you're on Window 8 or that CPU is affecting the score but my 7950 get similar result at similar clock. hmm.gif
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Jayacom posted the price for Sapphire r9-290X w/ Bf4. seems like Asus is a better buy due to the inclusive of the ROG headset.
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 22 2013, 06:26 PM)
Jayacom posted the price for Sapphire r9-290X w/ Bf4. seems like Asus is a better buy due to the inclusive of the ROG headset.
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They jacked up kao kao is it? lol
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wahh.. definitely the asus. why sapphire this time shakehead.gif
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yeah. since basically all manf. gc is basically the same = amd HS n not custom.

QUOTE(freakenstein @ Oct 22 2013, 06:55 PM)
They jacked up kao kao is it? lol
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yeah. since basically all manf. gc is basically the same = amd HS n not custom.
mayb. jaya need to pay shop rental leh. haha
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Wait for PowerColor one from Feiton... brows.gif
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lowest = leadtek!

wait.. leadtek got do amd?
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 22 2013, 07:06 PM)
lowest = leadtek!

wait.. leadtek got do amd?
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Wow.. look nice... but rm2699 to pricey

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