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post Oct 10 2013, 09:49 AM

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On AMD - Mantle. been reading it alot, but not quite sure on an area. The CPU part. i saw a number of forumer recommend getting FX - 8 core CPU in the HW Q&A to the OP on rig recommendation - if you are getting AMD GCN Gpu.

How is the CPU affect the Mantle performance as a whole? in more core = better? (An article from Anand on Mantle - Perfect Parallel Rendering - Utilize all 8 core <- Is this why the BF4 beta is utilizing all core? instead of its a BUG, mayb it is Mantle in works? For user with GCN gpu only - But Dec'13 should be the month Mantle implemented in BF4 via patch)

AFAIK now Intel chip is a much better choice to go for than AMD, but its kinda reverse now due to the Mantle.

Not sure i put it in a correct way a not. Excuse my poor explanation. blush.gif

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post Oct 10 2013, 01:19 PM

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Lol. 79xx getting pull out from Hikari sell thread @@" the price is very attractive. i got mine at rm1050 for 2nd hand @ 4mths old....
will the R-29x will have a major leap from 7970 performance? hmm.gif
R-290 = gtx 780, r-290X = Titan? laugh.gif
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post Oct 10 2013, 03:07 PM

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Hmm, is the R-270X is 7870XT? hmm.gif
wonder how high the OC can go. so far guru3d @ 1150/6400. indeed the performance abit higher/= 7970 ghz.


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post Oct 10 2013, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 10 2013, 03:32 PM)
Wow...R9 280X Toxic only RM1289??? Still cheaper than 7970GE...
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just the 1st day. wait the reseller to re-adjust the price of 7970/7950. should be lower if not EOL laugh.gif
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 05:42 PM)
1079 for Sapphire 280X is good deal? Feel like placing order now.
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y not? since you need it. and the price point is even better than 7xxx series.
Sapphire brand gpu offer the lowest price point you can get among AMD partners.

QUOTE(AdamNg @ Oct 10 2013, 05:43 PM)
Only RM60 different between Sapphire 280X Toxic and Vapor x...which one??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Toxic then OC kao kao.

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post Oct 11 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
I read some review, they said Vapor-X one already overclocked, can't push any much further.

VaporX uses 2x 8pin rather than 6pin+8pin.
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as said. OC is all about Lottery. sometimes you get golden, some lemon and some normal chip.
in my case i able to push another 150mhz into core clock on top of that fc oc'ed vapor-x.

i wonder, since the new r9-280x is basically the same 7970, what different is there if i push my 7970 clock to match with r-280x clock?
I juz notice the r-280x vapor-x core clock is juz 50mhz incremental as 7970 vapor-x? shocking.gif

QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 01:35 AM)
bro, can elaborate more. you word to powderful

Buy now or wait for other brand to come in?
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it means, how high can a gpu OC is like buying a lottery. you might even get an unit that you need to DC instead to get it stable. even i give you 3 same gpu r-280x vapor-x, the overclock ability is different among each other.

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post Oct 11 2013, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:15 AM)
If not mistaken, the max boost clock for the new 280X Vapor-X's max boost clock is at 1020 MHz, slower then even 7970 GHz Vapor-X's boost clock of 1050 MHz. The only one that really runs higher than the regular 7970 GHz is only 280X Toxic (1150 MHz). biggrin.gif
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oh. okie. this new naming really gotten my toll. rclxub.gif
the best part of this new line-up is PRICING wise i think. 4/5 more days to see the real/new contender.
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post Oct 11 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
Just placed an order on R9-280X Vapor-X, arriving next week, hopefully it's worth it after burning a big hole in my pocket.
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now, lets head to AMD/Intel CPU thread and get you a 4C8T or 8C cpu for bf4 brows.gif
head up to BF4 thread as i posted info about CPU utilization on BF4. it will helps you to manage your future upgrade and $$
n let us wait for window 8.1 release as well biggrin.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 11 2013, 11:58 AM)
Thanks...
Seems with a TOP END GPU, you'll need a tier-2 CPU to match it.
I wonder how would

These, or anything lesser, will cause a bottleneck:
Core-i3
FX-6xxx
FX-4xxx
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i think so. for fx-6xxx series = 6 core, you can compare it with fx-8350 on the FPS chart.
there is around 15fps and above different. rclxub.gif and for 8 core, it utilize quite well across all. mayb more performance to come during OR. what we seens is juz a bump from yesterday patch.
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post Oct 11 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Oct 11 2013, 12:35 PM)
I tried my friend's 3rd gen i3 with my 7950 rig and i can feel it choking a little bit when playing BF3 MP and overclocking my GPU to 1160 doesn't boost the FPS that much. hmm.gif
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also. window 8 offer better performance. win 7 did have alot of stuttering n etc compare to win 8.

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post Oct 11 2013, 01:58 PM

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^Furmark powerdraw is Crazy rclxub.gif Luckily i did not play it much.
QUOTE(nsiboro @ Oct 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
Battlefield 4 Beta Performance: 16 Graphics Cards, Benchmarked

For completeness. tongue.gif

2GB cards like gtx770 suffers, best to think about getting 280X.
EDIT: article also got CPU benchmark
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The benchie is good as it include the few top cards from each side, but i hope they include another bench with MSAA turned off. its taking the toll.

good hint on what CPU you should need at which graphic preset.
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The good news is that a fairly inexpensive [B]Core i3 or FX-4000-series CPU could be fast enough to handle the High preset without capping graphics performance. If you want to play at the Ultra preset, grab a Core i5 or FX-6000-class processor at the very least.[/B]


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post Oct 11 2013, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Oct 11 2013, 02:01 PM)
If I use R9-280X then my processor will bottleneck? sad.gif
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iinm, the simple way to test BNC is to overclock your cpu.
test it at stock clock 1st, then another test with OC. let say 3.5ghz (oc) vs stock. and see whether got fps/score different anot.
IMO, there is a bnc, but how great, not sure. and atm, don't worry so much till BF 4 OR release. coz this where the final version 1.0 been release. hence there should be much more performance tuning to come.

i may wrong on bottleneck. take it with a pinch of salt. blush.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 11 2013, 02:05 PM)
I'm still doubt if superflower HX500W can run the card? Quite worry about it as I just bought the psu for one week(just done set up the rig then sold off the gpu) sad.gif
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Which card? toxic? should be able to run without much problem. and it is a 80 Gold certified. mayb don't oc your gpu n cpu too heavy. neway, if its not able to support, your pc will shutdown the moment you game.

btw, cheap but effective ways to further cool down you gpu. my idle drop around 5C and load by 5C-10C (BF 4/3, Firemark.) now max temp stress by FM is at 68C thumbup.gif total additional cost RM90 (1 fan bracket + 2 xigmatek fan) - might be myth but thats how better it has to my gc temp. smile.gif
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Rm30 only for the bracket.
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(josephting @ Oct 11 2013, 02:13 PM)
Both are good.
I'd go for a cheaper one unless there's one feature you really want on the card which the other doesn't have.
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2yr vs 3 yr warranty. depends on user peace of mind. lower $$ spent or better peace on 3 yr usage. smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(lepo @ Oct 11 2013, 02:16 PM)
Asus Offer 3 years right?
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Yeap. if you do not chg your gpu often, 3 yrs is better. also, asus(gay/msi) has higher resale value due to the additional 1 yr warranty.
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Oct 11 2013, 02:19 PM)
Wow that's interesting smile.gif thanks a lot for the tips dude smile.gif
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Np, sharing is caring especially to poor fag like us that can't do WC or getting Arctic WC.
you can get this bracket from GS - infernoaswen
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post Oct 12 2013, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(siles1991 @ Oct 12 2013, 01:17 AM)
are you blowing the fan or using it to pull?
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of course is blow. if pull will be contradict with the gpu fan sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Oct 12 2013, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 12 2013, 08:20 AM)
I thought usually it's one blow and one pull? biggrin.gif
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nah. blow all the way to top/back for exhaust. don't care cpu heat since its so much lower than gpu temp tongue.gif
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post Oct 12 2013, 04:09 PM

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A very good point stated in the beginning. "GTX770 is basically the same as GTX680, but it did not allow SLI on each other while you can do CF of R280X & 7970". A good buy for these 7970 owner? smile.gif
QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 12 2013, 03:24 PM)
Where did you get those brackets from? I'm gonna do it, card's been resetting when temp reaches 80 sad.gif
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infernoswen icon_rolleyes.gif
he's a wcer and modder too.

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post Oct 16 2013, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(ASUSmy @ Oct 16 2013, 02:09 AM)
hrm... i guess it would be great for us to send owikh both the R9 290X and Titan for him to verify it. after all, he's a local guru (non-bias). of course, still need to wait the sample to arrive. sad.gif
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Yes. i concurred. + his crazy OC skill we can have great insight on how far those top gpu can go. thumbup.gif

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