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atreyuangel
post Oct 17 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 17 2013, 04:42 PM)
ask deftech/stride modify RMAF hercules ourselves..hehe using our own tech n specs..i think it can be done though..using old bofors cannon n small howitzer on it..just my imagination..haha
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mana bleh main suka2 hati modify barang US!
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post Oct 17 2013, 04:52 PM

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i think there are several occasions of heli vs heli during iran-iraq war as well as syria-israel border war in the eighties

having said that, attack helos only being deployed when the air superiority was achieved. same thing with AC-130. though for safety measures (just in case), both cobras and apaches can be equipped with sidewinder missiles

them chinese and russian are also offering their version of AC-130 for export
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 17 2013, 04:47 PM)
mana bleh main suka2 hati modify barang US!
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and thats why i hate US stuff..u don't actually fully own their stuff after buying it..murica~
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post Oct 17 2013, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 17 2013, 04:38 PM)
Got cheaper version using CN-235 by Airbus.
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hey that looks good..how cheap is it compare to spectre?
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Singapore and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter

Indications are that Singapore may go ahead with the purchase of the JSF. That would be a game-changer for its operational capabilities.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Defense Writers Group in late July, General Herbert J. "Hawk" Carlisle was asked about Singapore’s interest in the Lockheed-Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program and if an initial sale had been made. He had this to say:

“I talked to their CDF (Singapore’s Chief of Defence Force Lieutenant-General Ng) Chee Meng. I was just in Singapore. Singapore’s decided to buy the B model, the VSTOL variant to begin with. But I don’t know where they’re at in putting it into their budget. I know that’s a decision that’s been made and that’s why they’re part of the program, but I don’t know where they’re at in putting that in the budget”

That portion of the interview has mostly escaped the attention of media covering the event as coverage zeroed in on the U.S. Air Force’s plans for the Pacific pivot, which was also discussed at length. If General Carlisle is right, it would mean that Singapore will become the fourth operator of the F-35B, after the United States Marine Corps, the United Kingdom and Italy.

A densely populated island nation sitting at the southern tip of the Malay Peninsula, Singapore sits at a choke point along the vital sea lines of communications between the economic powerhouses of East Asia with the Middle East and, further afield, Europe. Its deepwater port is the lifeblood of a booming economy, while world-renowned Changi International Airport serves as a vital Asian air hub for travellers throughout the globe. With so much to defend and so little strategic depth (the main island measures just 723 square kilometers or approximately 277 square miles), Singapore has responded by building a powerful military, widely regarded as among the best in Asia.

Singapore joined the F-35 program in February 2003 as a Security Cooperative Participant (SCP). As an SCP, Singapore is believed to be able explore configurations of the JSF to meet its unique operational needs and form its own program office. However, the island nation’s interest in the STOVL variant started to catch the eye only in 2011, when Rolls-Royce revealed that Singapore had launched studies aimed at considering the F-35B.

Having the United States and Australia, both of whom have close defense ties with Singapore, also planning to operate F-35s in the neighborhood, it would be no surprise if Singapore was keen to follow in their footsteps. Together with Japan’s (and possibly South Korea’s) aircraft, the type’s network-enabled capability and integrated sensor suite is a definite plus for interoperability with allied F-35s in the event of a need to conduct joint operations in the region.

Notoriously secretive about its military matters, defense officials in Singapore have neither confirmed nor denied the reports about its interest in the F-35B. However, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen had previously gone on record a number of times to say that Singapore is evaluating the F-35 for the Republic of Singapore Air Force’s (RSAF) next fighter, but that no decision has been made. General Carlisle’s remarks are the first indication of the direction Singapore’s Ministry of Defence will be taking with regards to an initial purchase.

With Singapore’s strategic limitations in mind, the F-35B would appear to be a very prudent option to consider. A fleet of easily-dispersed STOVL-capable assets capable of taking off fully loaded from a 168m (550ft) runway would ensure that the RSAF would be able to keep up combat air operations even without operational, full length runways in the event of an enemy first strike. Such a capability would certainly complicate any adversary's calculations in attempting a first strike to nullify Singapore's defenses.

With the recent announcement by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong that land-scarce Singapore will close one of its three tactical fighter bases to free up land for residential and industrial use in the near future, this would leave Tengah Air Base in the west and Changi Air Base (East), next to Singapore’s international airport in eastern Singapore, as the only bases to house the RSAF’s air combat aircraft. Both airbases will be expanded and upgraded to accommodate the relocation of RSAF aircraft and units currently based at Paya Lebar.

With the number of available runways in Singapore to be reduced by one, having an air combat asset on hand capable of STOVL operations would assume a greater importance in the mind of Singapore’s defense planners. It will be just one of many factors to consider, but the upgrades to Singapore’s existing fighter bases will likely include building thermally coated “lilypads” that would enable F-35Bs to land vertically without the hot exhaust gases damaging the tarmac.

However, Ng has also said that Singapore is in no hurry to make a decision, even if he has called the F-35 “a suitable aircraft to further modernise (Singapore’s) fighter fleet.” With a relatively young fleet of advanced F-15 and F-16 multi-role fighters already in its current fighter inventory, Singapore’s defense establishment will likely want to see several aspects of the JSF program mature before committing to what will be one of the most, if not the most, costly military acquisition programs in Singapore’s history. Even with the price of the F-35B having fallen to US$104 million per aircraft (sans engines, which are bought separately) in the Pentagon’s recently released contract for aircraft in Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Batch 7, it might be some time before Singapore issues a Foreign Military Sales request for the F-35.

The RSAF currently operates 60 late model Lockheed-Martin F-16C/D Fighting Falcons serving alongside 24 Boeing F-15SG Eagles. It has been reported elsewhere (and seemingly corroborated by photographs from a recent Maple Flag exercise in Canada) that Singapore has received additional F-15SGs that have not been publicly announced. These will most likely be for replacing the handful of Northrop F-5S/T Tiger II interceptors still in service when they are retired in the next year or so.

Singapore has also recently announced that the RSAF’s F-16s will undergo a Mid-Life Upgrade, which should keep them in service until the mid-2020s. That would appear to be an ideal timeframe for the RSAF to introduce the F-35 to its inventory. With Singapore’s usual procurement policy being incremental purchases in several batches, an initial F-35B order will almost certainly not be the last. If one bears in mind that the F-35B has payload, maneuver and other performance limitations put upon it due to its STOVL capability compared to the other variants, it might also not be farfetched to speculate that Singapore may eventually order the Conventional Take-off and Landing (CTOL) F-35A further down the road as well. As they say, watch this space.
Singapore and the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter
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post Oct 18 2013, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 17 2013, 04:47 PM)
mana bleh main suka2 hati modify barang US!
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Hah....i learn something new today, rupa-rupanya we can only rentbuy US equipment but are not allowed to modify it.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 17 2013, 11:57 AM)
It's ok....apologies accepted. smile.gif

Anyway the Viper looks awesome.

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that oversized wing will be a bane for it's performance. Obviously Bell added those wings so that it can give impressive weapons loadout in a brochure.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 17 2013, 07:12 AM)

For samudera they still need to redesign certain parts to suits it role.
Increase the space for its weapons deck is needed.
Rib davit and rib could be remove to make space for heli hangar. Though i would prefer it retain such future and replace the rib with fic instead.
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I dun mean using the current Samudera's design. I mean using the Samudera design to build a larger vessel..
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 18 2013, 09:22 AM)
Hah....i learn something new today, rupa-rupanya we can only rentbuy US equipment but are not allowed to modify it.
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even if we need to remove any parts from the plane needed a written consent or paperwork
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 17 2013, 04:38 PM)
Got cheaper version using CN-235 by Airbus.
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If got this duriang LD incursion, kan nice can pew pew the suluks using this

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 18 2013, 12:12 PM)
even if we need to remove any parts from the plane needed a written consent or paperwork
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same thing applies to European/Russian equipment?
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 12:13 PM)
If got this duriang LD incursion, kan nice can pew pew the suluks using this
same thing applies to European/Russian equipment?
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nope, only to US weapon, and this not just apply to us,
it is apply to all country that uses US weapon even Israel, but the closer you are the lest strict it get
for example Turkey can even modified its own stuff and equip it to their f16, so does Israel, but it is all comes with trail of paperwork and congress approval.

the Oz are warned due to their hacker activity on their hornet, that shows how much US takes care of their weapon to make sure that Iran 2.0 are not going to happened again.
sure if you're being good, the US will compensate you, for example our Hornet upgrade, does not even cost us a dime nod.gif
Indonesia got a lots of stuff from the congress and so on.

so sometime we need to kiss the US jugak
that's why I always said, Rafale menang ka, Typhoon menang ka
SH mesti ada jugak beli nanti in small number!
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 09:57 AM)
I dun mean using the current Samudera's design. I mean using the Samudera design to build a larger vessel..
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Larger vessel?
Use the kedah class design better.
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:27 PM

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Gunship like ac130 we dun need it.
Attack heli like viper is much more important.
Btw ac130 is way overated cant stalk enemy.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 18 2013, 12:27 PM)
Gunship like ac130 we dun need it.
Attack heli like viper is much more important.
Btw ac130 is way overated cant stalk enemy.
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its more of something nice to have..
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 09:57 AM)
I dun mean using the current Samudera's design. I mean using the Samudera design to build a larger vessel..
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Actually Samudera-class based from larger vessel
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 12:28 PM)
its more of something nice to have..
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A10 lagi nice to have
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 18 2013, 12:20 PM)
Larger vessel?
Use the kedah class design better.
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 18 2013, 12:33 PM)
Actually Samudera-class based from larger vessel
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so, can wat..we utilised the technical expertise garnered from kedah and Samudera-class to design larger patrol vessel.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 18 2013, 12:27 PM)
Gunship like ac130 we dun need it.
Attack heli like viper is much more important.
Btw ac130 is way overated cant stalk enemy.
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People dont call AC-130 as goddess of death for nothing. brows.gif

he pew pew people die also dunno how they die.

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Gunship is only viable if the enemy can be seen,

now is the era of precision ammunition, once targeted, good luck, you can run but you can't hide blush.gif
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seem like tldm and tudm is having a shopping spree..

any procurement by Malaysia army? They like keeping silent only. Do hope they can get some advance SAM like S400 or at least S300

seeing SG have going for aster, i think Malaysia would like go for russian.

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