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TSyinchet
post Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM)
@yinchet

2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
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Well the tldm wanted to use nsm.
But boustead prefer exocet.
exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development.
The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm.
If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class.
Not sure if he able to dig some money for its.

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post Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM)
Well the tldm wanted to use nsm.
But boustead prefer exocet.
exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development.
The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm.
If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class.
Not sure if he able to dig some money for its.
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How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us?
Or it is going to retired too?
Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships.
But maybe it is hard right?

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post Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM)
How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us?
Or it is going to retired too?
Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships.
But maybe it is hard right?
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We already have harpoon for our f18.
Not sure if our tldm considering it.
I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws.
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post Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM)
We already have harpoon for our f18.
Not sure if our tldm considering it.
I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws.
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+1 on phalanx ciws.
RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough?
Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM)
+1 on phalanx ciws.
RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough?
Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
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Cost effective and provide longer range protection compare to phalanx. Searams range ia about 9km.
Good protection against threat like brahmos or any other badass ssm.
Essm would be better of killing aircraft instead than countering missile threat imo.
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post Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM

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One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched?
I only knew that harpoon can't.
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post Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM)
One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched?
I only knew that harpoon can't.
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tomahawk vertical launch
old version - no
new version - yes

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post Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM)
tomahawk vertical launch
old version - no
new version - yes
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Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM)
Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
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post Oct 16 2013, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 04:58 PM)
It need political will to do that.
Btw mindef small lubok emas the big 1 would be moh and moe far more worst.

Anyway the whole procurement should be revamp.
The whole contract must be disclose but the mindef can censor off some national security sensitive parts.
Also there should be a laws to stop or void any procurement deal by competitors for unfair competitions or whistleblower if the procurement is corrupted.
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to me, MinDef better lubok for songlaping since any procurement can be kept secret due to 'national security'. Of coz, some procurement must be kept top secret due to its security nature, but many data can be easily obtain regarding on what type of equipment being installed. For example, the subs procurement, which many songlapers backers argue must not be disclosed to the public, walhal can actually be easily tarced back on what equipment being installed by researching the vendors involved. Only the sensitive parts like data encryption maybe not on the companies' datasheet. So, argument that we publicly say we bought 2 scorpene but also another one in secret is pure crap..

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 05:05 PM)
If it is samudera class
Lots of changes have to made as the current 1 were design  for training purposes.
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Samudera class have big potential for converting into patrol vessels, Dun think it would require that much of re-designing..

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 15 2013, 10:26 PM)
anyone else giggled a bit when TV3 Buletin Utama said "KD Kelantan diiktiraf sbg antara kapal peronda terbaik dunia."? hehe i dun meant to memperlekehkan TLDM n their sailors..hahaha not long ago they even said Adnan is a tank..lol..somebody plz fire these tv3 reporters.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 16 2013, 01:55 AM)
as they used German tech  laugh.gif
that huge ship can be operated by only 30+ crew
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Once fully armed, Kedah-class would be quite awesome..

QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM)
@yinchet

2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
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why not go for air-breathing supersonic anti-ship missiles?
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post Oct 16 2013, 11:42 AM

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Where the update of US new super air craft carrier?
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our NGPV could be the most awesome ships in our navy IF TLDM able to armed those ships with missiles n stuff instead of just two Oto Melara cannon..
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post Oct 16 2013, 03:39 PM

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dah namanya patrol boat....

the thing is, if the navy deemed it is necessary to arm them ngpv to the teeth, the vessel is more than capable to be done so. the reason why rmn stick with exocet partly because of the experience and the abundance of them in rmn arsenal. tomahawk isn't that much more capable than exocet, and it is more than capable to deal with regional threat

as for the samudera type vessel, the company that build them said that the design and electronic suite can be adapted into more capable corvette/light frigate. and considering that it can be built within 6 weeks, we can have at least 6 new PV of similar design within 2 years
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 16 2013, 03:39 PM)
dah namanya patrol boat....

the thing is, if the navy deemed it is necessary to arm them ngpv to the teeth, the vessel is more than capable to be done so. the reason why rmn stick with exocet partly because of the experience and the abundance of them in rmn arsenal. tomahawk isn't that much more capable than exocet, and it is more than capable to deal with regional threat

as for the samudera type vessel, the company that build them said that the design and electronic suite can be adapted into more capable corvette/light frigate. and considering that it can be built within 6 weeks, we can have at least 6 new PV of similar design within  2 years
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TLDM don't want to consider Brahmos missiles? its performance does looks good on papers.. smile.gif
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how to integrate? i may not sound much but this is the one thing that plagued combat vessels in Thailand and bangladesh
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 16 2013, 09:19 AM)

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post Oct 16 2013, 10:13 PM

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New RMAF plane plays three roles

FLEXIBILITY: Airbus A400M can do the jobs of 3 aircraft
SEVILLA (SPAIN): A RADICAL shift is expected in the way the Royal
Malaysian Airforce (RMAF) approaches military and humanitarian
missions, once it takes delivery of the new Airbus A400M Atlas
aircraft.

The aircraft, dubbed the "next generation airlifter", is to play a pivotal
role in the airforce's operations once it comes into service in two
years.

Airbus Military head of media relations Maggie Bergsma said first of
four aircraft ordered by RMAF was expected to be delivered by the
2015 deadline.

"We are on track and the first delivery for Malaysia is scheduled for
2015. We have launched long-lead items up to MSN33, which includes
two A400Ms for Malaysia. The fourth delivery for the RMAF is
scheduled for 2016," she said.

RMAF had placed an order for the aircraft on Dec 8, 2005.
She said the A400M was expected to change the way military and
humanitarian operations were carried out by RMAF.
Bergsma said this was due to the A400M's ability to perform tasks
that were previously executed by three aircraft.

"The A400M will mark a difference in the way military and
humanitarian missions are approached.
"The versatility of the A400M allows one aircraft to do the job of three
aircraft.

"The A400M can deliver the contents of its bigger payload faster,
further and nearer to where it is needed.

"The RMAF will not only have three aircraft in one with each A400M, it
will also have an aircraft that can do better than these three together.
This is certainly a change. And it is a change for good."

On the question of the difficulty in transition between the RMAF's fleet
of C-130 fleet and the A400M, Bergsma said this would not be a
problem.

"The RMAF was involved in the programme from the start and is fully
participating with the Airbus Military teams to prepare for the delivery
and entry into service."

She said discussions were in place with Malaysia to ensure that all
services needed for the operation of the aircraft were ready in time for
the delivery.

Malaysia joins seven airforces -- Belgium, France, Germany,
Luxembourg, Spain, Turkey, and the United Kingdom -- to have the
A400M in their fleets.

Bergsma said Malaysia, like all of the A400M launch customers, had
been participating in the design and manufacturing of several A400M
secondary composite structural components.

She said Composite Technology Research Malaysia (CTRM) was the
sole source of such components, notably the complete vertical tail
plane leading edge, the main landing gear doors, and access panels on
the wings and horizontal tail plane, plus nacelle fairings.

She said this following the delivery ceremony of the A400M in Airbus
Military's production facility in Sevilla, Spain, on Sunday.

The ceremony was graced by Felipe, Prince of Asturias. Also present
was French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian.
 
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/new-r...-roles-1.372416

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The RMAF A400M will highly be showcased at the 2015 LIMA, Malaysia.
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The Syrian war, now in its 31st month, has transformed into a full-blown proxy war.

The conflict not only involves Syria's neighbors and regional powers, but also Western countries and numerous fighters from more than 25 countries.

We've put together a chart to make sense of the major players backing each side and the infighting that has plagued the opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The side of the Syrian regime is pretty straightforward. Russia has supported them in various forms even before protests began in March 2011.

Iraq has facilitated Iranian supply flights through its territory and placed elite Shia militias under the command of the Qods force (i.e., international wing) of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (IRGC).

Iran, seeking to protect the Shia crescent that extends from Tehran to Beirut, has been sending troops from its Revolutionary Guards and from its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah while also training Shia militias from Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere. Iranian commanders are increasingly calling the shots on the ground.

Part of Assad's strategy seemingly involved pulling out of northern towns to allow Kurdish fighters to take over, thereby weakening his Sunni enemies.

But some Kurds have chosen to fight the Syrian Arab Army alongside the Free Syrian Army (FSA), and the Kurdish National Council (KNC) formally joined the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition (SNC) in August.

Kurdish fighters affiliated with the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), meanwhile, have spent much of their time recently fighting al-Qaeda fighters and other Islamic rebels in the north of the country.

After the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) overran FSA rebels in the town of Azaz near the Turkish border, Kurdish fighters fought ISIS with the ousted rebels. (Jabhat al-Nusra is considered a separate al-Qaeda affiliate within Syria.)

Interestingly, though it is not listed on the graphic, many in the opposition believe that the Syrian regime have helped bolstered al-Qaeda's presence in Syria to counter the less radical rebels.

Most of the largest Islamist factions recently denounced the SNC and formed Jaish al-Islam ("the Army of Islam") with the blessing of Saudi Arabia. The SNC-affiliated Free Syrian Army was dealt a significant blow by the formation of the Army of Islam but still works with the Army of Islam.

Gulf states, led by Qatar and the Saudis, have been supporting Islamic factions since at least early last year. Private donors in Kuwait also contribute.

There are some rebel groups, most notably Ahrar al-Sham, which fall outside of the bubbles above but also benefit from Gulf donors (primarily via Qatar and Kuwait) and work with other rebel factions.

The SNC remains the only viable political opposition, but almost no one on the ground supports the coalition. Furthermore, the SNC recently rejected peace talks while the Assad's regime doesn't recognize its legitimacy anyway, so a political solution is not an option at this point.

The Israel Defense Force has bombed targets in Syria on several occasions in relation to its own interests. In July 2011 President Shimon Peres said that "Assad must go," but the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently said that the country's position involves "not intervening in internal Syrian affairs."

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Sauce: http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-invo...n-syria-2013-10

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