This post has been edited by dillonyong: Oct 17 2013, 10:37 PM

New thread, new threat to Southampton today.

woohoo first! I fear it will be a draw with no 10 injured.

i just hope that the pessimists don't start moaning if the result is not good. at the team's present stage of development, and the number of unavailable key players, even a loss is not a surprise.

This post has been edited by berzerk: Sep 21 2013, 09:06 AM

Second ! Bring on Soton tonight ~ Football nights with Liverpool are the best

Reporting in. YNWA bros

We want mata in january!

LFC cannot afford his wages.
before also BR tried to take Betrand, but he asked for around 60k / week...about same as Mata.

Ironically I am having 2 Mata Kerbau now. LOL

Actually izzit common got a new thread?

Anyway it will b a tough tonite but we will raise up our game.

Sure mata mau to come to anfield if we do manage to agree a 30-33mil fees with Chelsea for him? Though close source that built up to our last minute 25mil bid from was heard that he was up to the moved to anfield. I'm still being hopeful in would happen.

Just felt a attacking player is coming in when Moses allocate No.12 while the No.11 was available? So I think we r bracing someone to fill that jersey in January.

Anyway back to Southampton game. Agger might start. Prepared..

Cheers.

Mata on 60k sure boh? Ok...so I throw back this question to u. If Bertrand ask for 60k and mata ask for 100k..who u willing to pay?

Cheers.

Maybe can mould moses to become midfield. He fast and can hold the ball ans physically strong.

whats the point of bringing in Mata? where is the logic?
just to back up Coutinho when he returns from injury?
wouldnt that put Mata back to where he was at Chelsea behind Oscar? and in the end we end up with another expensive bench warmer?

juan mata to lfc?

Yes, maybe back several seasons was an opportunity but lets not be deluded, for one Lfc has no big europe games to entice him at all. No, Liverpoolfc today won't pay for such fee. maybe in another 2-3 seasons later will we part even a 20mil player (shd we be in CL consistently)

Let's not kid ourselves.

If there is another club that would raise Juan Mata's personal interest should he not feature anymore in Jose's team, it would be likely to either Arsenal & Napoli but then again it all depends also weather chelsea proceeds into CL or EC come later this season

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Sep 21 2013, 10:44 AM

i think it is better if we use the 25 to 30 million to find some growing talent rather than buying some high priced player from otherteam

against Soton will be another draw, huge win for bookie since many will go for Liverpool win

any viewing parties tonight guise?

interesting observation there

funny how now everyone expects LFC to not win anymore

i expected a win but will said a draw.. higher expectation can be painful if they cant be achieved

against city will be defeat,huge loss for bookie since many will go for city win.lulz

We have seen over 24 years & several false dawn. We know it will take time. We don't buy the fact others may claim we are championship material. WE ARE NOT. we are miles away, not yet anyway.

WE don't delude ourself, unlike some who don the invisible cape (i.e. "emperor with no clothes") we are & should stay grounded always.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Sep 21 2013, 11:28 AM

no one said we were championship material.
but to always think the team is going to lose? that belongs to the Woy era.

We take mata and then give them back moses.problem solved

It's a coping mechanism. If you expect things to turn sour then it's easier to swallow when it happens. If you end up winning, well you just join the party. I'm not the most optimistic person, but i think it's a bit crazy to not give your team a chance to win.

^

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In that case, Liverpool can win only 5 matches every season because most people will go for Liverpool win when they play Sunderland, Soton, Crystal Palace, etc

I think bookies will go the other way round. Couts out and odds slightly drop and dont favor Liverpool.

In regards to Mata, If he's available at the right price and fond with the idea of coming to LFC, it would be madness to turn him down. He's miles ahead of Coutinho in terms of development. You be getting someone whose productivity has been nothing but quality last couple of seasons and only just entering pinnacle stage of his career.

/coping mechansm engaged
But it's a pipe dream. Will not happen.


This post has been edited by hfi: Sep 21 2013, 11:53 AM

The mentality of us should always focus on winning and throw every doubts away.

If we are all players here, I am sure BR will throw most of the pessimist in this forum out and let them go fishing.

Last thing we want is people giving no confidence and keep predicting we are getting into trouble. Reality is, we will lose points at some point, but it's a marathon, and it's not the end of the world.

To see so many non-positive thinking is really baffling. Sounds abit like my mum who always predict the worst out of every situation. Seriously, it makes it feel better huh when the worst happens? TOTAL FACEPALM

What time is the match?

9:55pm, astro 812 and 832

You will never walk alone! Tonight order sotong and see how reds win soton

the match ended already, that's why ppl saying LFC lost.

Kk thanks.

You are one cheeky kent mate.

Moses has spoken ....

Alright for one, from experience tells me otherwise. I'm not like mr.positive A, everything also must always act P O S I T I V E (one).

Like those "Happy morning everyone", "Today we will chant 100 times, We will WIN, we will WIN, be positives everyone" or like insurance agents "Today we will make 100 sales stay positive people", "*Hang out with only WINNERS, not losers, stay away from them as they are negative people". And those MLM will drum 1000% positive thinking to all their downliners "WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT" and then go out to do their thingy. < it works for them but i'm not built that way. I don't think i can live in their (bubble) world.

I would like to think i live in the grounded world. I'm not those machas with those "Be A WINNER or be square" banners plastered on their foreheads.


Games come & go, there are 50:50 chance to win. in some games maybe lesser after knowing our current strength & on past records against such opposition(s) from experience. call it coping mechanism or excuses as how i think those mlm people coin those term.

I got a thinking cap that says as much as i would prefer & like that we are on the pinnacle of the league table by mid season, from experience (looking at the squad & how we play/cope with opposition), it would be difficult. (though noting is impossible) but very, very hard for even a betting man to place his life savings that we are above all the big 4 club mid season. ok?

when you are down in KL, i'll buy you a drink la. @dillionyong





*perhaps i guess, for the reasons i'm not in those forbes rich people's circle is I'm not built like those mr positive type of people (bummer)

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Sep 21 2013, 12:49 PM

We will be celebrating for 3points by eating sotong goreng!!!

It's not about you la, Bro. I see some of the other Bros here really prefer to be pessimists in order to be safer perhaps?

So when the bad result happens, they will say "SEE. I TOLD YOU SO!"

When the good result comes, they will say "I AM GLAD THAT I WAS WRONG. It;s good for the team"

Either way, they are always on the safe side. That kind of mentality and support for LFC is as pale as a sheep's skin.

Some matches we may not win, but I choose to cheer up. I choose to move on instead of predicting we may not win each time we face abit of hiccups.

There's a saying you put a curse to something 300 times, it will happen. So I hope the pessimists will learn. Just support the team and discuss strategy. We got a problem here, yes, Couts is out. What is the best way to win? Focus on that rather than dwelling in sorrow.

Here's the deal. If you the manager and you want the players to break into top 4 and win whatever there is to win, how do you mentally prepare for it? I think realistically, a team like ours will need to overachieve to meet this objective. For this to happen, you really need to embed a superior complex into the team. If you set the standard for 4th then coming short of meeting that aim gets you no where. But if you set the bar so high as to finish first then coming of short should in theory put you in top 4 finish.

For some reason, people find this a bit bizarre, and that's probably because we have been underachieving for so long that we've probably adapted an inferior complex. But the manager cannot afford to dwell on it. It doesn't matter if the team isn't good enough. What matters is that he needs them to believe that they are worthy of being in top 4.

Yes we CAN win the premier League. Hehe. TBF, technically, all 20 teams in the PL CAN win the PL.


one random pic from the article..

Realistically, the mathematical assessment would be, if till November we still lead the table, then it is all about doing well against Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Man City by getting at least a draw. If we can do that going into Christmas, we may have an outside chance as most of the 2nd half of the season are home games against tough teams.

Nevertheless, whether we win or not, we are definitely strong bet to qualify for UCL if we keep pacing ahead.

Everyone should watch this video before tonight's game. At times, it's easy to forget why you love this club so much. This video, at least for me, rekindle that fire.

this photo made my day

Dude, i think it's ok that we have pessimists here. You shouldn't slate the naysayers because they are as much Liverpool fans as you and me. In fact, I get a little disillusioned as well at times. I know we can do well, but just like in the Swansea match the build up had me worried. We were overconfident and without our regular defense.

I agree we need to focus on winning, but a balance of people is good as well. Let's welcome different opinions instead of criticizing them

With absence of Coutinho, i do not feel it weakens the momentum and spirit of the team to stay top of the Premier League tonight.
I'm going with 2-0 victory for Reds with Sturridge and Gerrard on the scoresheet.

You know I always welcome opinions

Just that some opinions are as such that without Coutinho, we are totally hopeless, even at Anfield. That means Dannyboy, Moses and Gang are all but useless. We were counting on the Brazilian only. That is pathetic way of thinking.

One player injured, another strategy will come in to fit the team. Let's go for a win instead of thinking of the bad consequences of not winning.

If they think that we cant win, why? So how can we still force a win and bite our teeth and get through it? Provide a solid argument. If the reason is because of Coutinho and no one can replace him, then it is truly pathetic.

calm down ur horses guys. nah, eat some rice

wtf?

Mood, you got a girlfriend to argue with for tonight?

Simply find a girl to argue.

what happen to the bird?

todei no fish lah. nvm, i'll go to gym later and start a fight with some random girls.

dunno lol

If you get a girl, Mara get his Pess mode on and Alan Kong can come in time to poo poo in the loo, then I am going for a 2-0 win as well. LOL


Like sky's prediction, I fancy Gerrard to open his account for the season and of course Dannyboy to continue his scoring form but somehow I feel if he didnt score, Moses will.

And Sterling if selected, should celebrate his victory in the court today with 2 assists

Pessimism is fine but constantly berating the team without giving any credit when it's due is something else. 2 seasons before Rafa left I wrote a long piece which was posted on another website, citing it was time for us to part ways. Drew a lot of flack it did but I didn't mind given it was to me a well thought out piece. BR has made mistakes but at the same time he deserves credit for the things he has done right. He's done enough for the club to see out the term of his contract at least.

No one calls for his head. Just not yet.
He just won manager of the month 1-2 weeks ago.

They say the league isnt won until after X'mas...i think there is a shift...a clearer pic will come some time in Jan & Feb. Not going to comment on early days n stuff, but if we are to lose, i'd rather lose during early part of the season. Most top teams peak towards the latter stages, and tbh, I felt its too good to be true to have 3 wins and 1 draw...still remember last season when Arsenal lose match after match, but pick themself up later. And who can forget how WBA was touted as a contender for top 4, only to pattered off later into the season...would rather we play shitty now than later

There's a saying, if you go into a match thinking you wont win, you already lost half the battle.

I am just frustrated with some of us here because it is as if they were waiting every week to be proven wrong and be relieved. They were waiting patiently with their axe. Once the team dont do well, here comes all the slashing. Just like waiting to vent their frustration when they are right.

We are better fans than that, I hope. Come on! Let's be positive. Only hours away now. AND POSITIVE NUMBER 1 is, we got a new thread

Spot on! In fact, we didnt hit peak yet and got away with a few lucky wins sort of.

It will take some time for us to be at our peak as with last season. The difference is, the mentality has changed. We go into the game not thinking of slaughtering the opponents left and right. We go into the game thinking of winning and getting the points and protecting the result.

Slowly, that will build a consistent winning mentality. In fact I am glad the boys got the few lucky wins. They now know that on their day, even if they were average, they can still win with using their head and sticking to strategy.

So you mean by staying at top 4 now, will resulting us to fighting from relegation in second half of the season..?

I rather we stay pessimistic than over positive/confident like our Spanish wonders Aspas, staying pessimistic is good, it allow us to ready for the worst case scenario.

But unlike others, I could see that we winning against Soton, IF Aspas doesn't get on the field.

I agree partially. Only way we cant win is:

1) Aspas was selected and his poor form continues plus our other players couldnt convert
2) We play with a wrong strategy. For example 3-5-2 formation with a fast attacking wingers of Soton. That is wrong.
3) If all our strong back four are out. But it looks like agger is coming back and Toure is there. Skrtel is doing well and we got Mama who is not 100% yet on standby. Apart from that, dont forget Mignolet.

We definitely can win:
1) Dannyboy continues his scoring form
2) The return of Agger and Toure.
3) Moses contributes well in the absence of Couts.

If the prediction of us not winning is base on personal gut feeling, then it is pointless, isnt it? Why the sudden disbelief? Because we drew with white swans or because Pochettino's team whacked us 3-1 last season? Stoke whacked us, MU whacked us, but we got the win against them this season.


Bottomline is, if we go into a game vs Soton at ANFIELD thinking that we cant win (And it's Soton for God's sake, not Barca), it is exactly why we wont. It is exactly why our cabinets will not even have a single droplet piece of shite to show.


I stick to 2-0 and I dont care if I am wrong. I love my team and I want my team to be positive especially at home ground. Show the kopites what they are made of. YNWA!

@Dillonyong

Actually I would prefer to rest Agger, he just recovered from injuries, I would prefer to play him in the 2nd half or not playing at all. Skrtel is doing great job so far, so if another CB and our RB could do a good job and not doing any mistake, our defence could have a decent performance.

As for prediction, I'll still go with my previous one, 4-1. Lambert opening, Sturridge brace, Gerrard and Sterling/Hendo(not really sure who will start) one each.

I like your scoreline but I hope your Lambert prediction is wrong. He scores first means that this thread is gonna have alot of OMG comments

I'd rather we get score first, or else we would play a boring match, then we could see whether our player have the top 4 mentality.
Oh if we have a lot of OMG comments, its good right, we could create a new thread every week.

I don't do predictions but I hope he scores the winner.

LOL. "Totally hopeless" is what you interpreted and what you wrote & put it on the mouth of others. So don't force these words on the mouth who criticize the team.
When Couts is out, it is natural for fans to assume that the level of competitiveness in the team has been significantly lowered because he is such a vital cog in the team. We didn't say Dannyboy, Moses or Gang are useless, it's a god damn fact that Couts is the only player looking capable to run and hold the midfield so far.


When the so called "pessimists" eg. people who are not in the same line of thoughts as you, criticized the team correctly, it is just the nature of football discussion. Nobody is right or wrong. While the pessimists are talking about Liverpool and its brand of football, some of the fanboys seem to care more on criticizing the pessimists than discussing football, the main topic at hand. Can't help but to laugh on this everytime it happens.

It doesn't give anyone the right to think they are "morally" better nor it will make them "better" or more "righteous" supporters than their opposite, therefore stop being judgmental towards the other camp.

If you don't agree, present and state your reasons or arguments, instead of starting your post by accusing others as haters, bandwagoners, whiners bla bla bla.

Be a fan. Not a fanboy.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Sep 21 2013, 04:59 PM

Nothing wrong with players saying we can win the league. A WINNING mentality is better than not fighting for it. Shanks nailed those mental attributes to our players, he made them bigger, stronger and fearless and looked at his legacy.

Let's beat the Saints tonight with our own St. Sturridge, St. Gerrard, St. Agger and co.

It's better to have low expectations and be surprised than have high expectations and be disappointed.

Whatever it is this is no time for argument from the 'Optimist' or 'pessimist'.We all want lfc to win tonight and at least we are together in this.I still remember how everyday was a war zone here 2 seasons ago.
We definitely don't want that back.


This post has been edited by Rotuham: Sep 21 2013, 05:02 PM

I know you will comment on this. Expected.

From your standpoint, it is best to hope the team proves you wrong or you slate them? WHat do we achieve by doing that, Bro? You actually expect your team to have such mentality? Preparing for the worst every week?

If you are on my marketing, I will do you a Donald Trump. "You are fire!" I dont like anyone in my team thinking they cannot achieve the marketing target.

If you prepare to lose, then u will lose. Simple as that. I never accuse other as haters. - Now that is putting words into my mouth.

he got the charm to be the dinosour tonight!

I somehow regretted replying to C28 because i know he will never stop after this. LOL

Ok, Bro. You win. I continue playing game and wait for Liverpool's game.

If Liverpool win, you buy me 1 bottle of Chivas. If Soton win, I buy you 2.

Cmon save the bickering for after the match. Lets show a bit solidarity. If its not for each other, then do it for Aspas.

That's like trying to put off the fire by blowing it.

Man, it's so hard to advocate realism in here. Every Liverpool fan love to see a Liverpool victory tonight, make no mistake about it.

Whether it is achievable or realistic enough, it's entirely up to the individuals.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Sep 21 2013, 05:22 PM

true. we all wanna see our team win every game. But not every game ends with joy... Have faith my friends n there'll be hope... we might not win the title in the end, but at least we fight with the right attitude and mindset.
loss might sometimes be inevitable, but our support is forever invincible..

True. Don't worry. It won't make a comeback. I will joke my way out of it. If not i will just force c28 to drink 5 glasses down and we will be laughing

Our good friend is at it again on the official website.
Doesn't this remind you of downing in his first season?

You guys need a chill pill instead of constantly arguing for the god damn same topic... Let's have some fun before match



Saw this on facebook. Kinda funny

There's a reason why Gerrard and Suarez dont speak much these days... or even coutinho... Because BR want them to focus on pitch and let Aspas do the talking

Maybe BR thought the fans wont take Aspas words seriously, because he looks like Mr.Bean..?

It's the new guy syndrome i think. They want to be all endearing but sometimes I think the club's PR likes to spin things. I don't normally pay attention to any of the interviews unless it comes from the manager or the captain.

LMFAO

Enrique explained how spirits have been high at Melwood ahead of today's clash.

"What you want to do is be there as long as you can at the top of the table because the feeling is very nice," Enrique told Liverpoolfc.com.

"Also, when you're walking down the street or going out for dinner, you can see there are a lot of people happy.

"When the team is in a good position, Liverpool is another city. The weather is still the same, but the city is a different city. It's very important we try to stay there.

"We have a good squad - I've been here two years and it's the best squad we've had. Hopefully we can stay up there.

"The atmosphere between the players has always been very, very good. We have a good squad with nice people and, of course, good players.

"Of course, when you're winning, the atmosphere in training is different - even with the manager and the staff, but this is normal.

"Our confidence is high because we've been doing very well. Playing at home is an important point, we are playing well and we want to keep that run going."

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-new...-i-ve-played-in?

imagine if the whole lowyat moves to liverpool.
it'll become like birmingham

possible line up ?


......... Mignolet ..........

Toure Skrtel Agger Jose

...... Gerrard Lucas .......

........ Luis Alberto .........

Hendo Sturridge Moses

No idea on the possible line up..
But this would be my preferable line up:

......... Mignolet ..........

Ilori/Wisdom Skrtel Sakho Enrique

...... Gerrard Lucas .......

........ Henderson .........

Sterling Sturridge Moses

I favor this line-up. More assurance in the Middle and all round pace in Attack and Defense.

......... Mignolet ..........

Ilori Toure Agger Enrique

...... Gerrard Lucas .......

........ Henderson .........

Sterling Sturridge Moses

We need quick feet, fast pace and absolute precision against the Soton without Coutinho.

The Reds XI in full: Mignolet, Toure, Sakho, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Gerrard, Aspas, Moses, Sturridge.

Subs: Jones, Kelly, Sterling, Enrique, Wisdom, Ibe, Alberto.

Source from LFC FB

This post has been edited by cyclonez: Sep 21 2013, 09:01 PM

What happened to Enrique?? LOL.

We play 4 CBs...now that is outstanding.

3 CBs and 1 monster!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/new...o-broke-2285926

Sakho as LB, Toure as RB?

WHAT?

All CBs start?

Agger-Sakho-Skrtel-Toure
---------Mignolet----------- ???


And dear Lord, please bless our Aspas to put in a good performance and hopefully scores to make it up to us, fans.

Surely we wont concede like this. 3CBs and a Monster at the back!! Could potentially be either a genius or disastrous move by rodgers. Hehe. Hoping for the former.

This post has been edited by lerijiso: Sep 21 2013, 09:08 PM

It's real!!! Now that is creative.

Liverpool lineup vs Southampton


Kolo Toure and Daniel Agger return to the starting lineup. Victor Moses and Sakho get their first Anfield start.

Starting XI : Mignolet, Toure, Sakho, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Henderson, Gerrard, Aspas, Moses, Sturridge.

Subs : Jones, Kelly, Sterling, Enrique, Wisdom, Ibe, Alberto

- See more at: http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/2013...h.gRnyJDmm.dpuf

haha our meanest ever looking back 4.

too pretty to play.