QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 22 2013, 12:01 AM)
Err this is still our best points tally for the start to a season for awhile. In any case, did you really expect a title challenge this season?
A player said it about week ago. Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat
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4CB at the back?
Even so, Sahko should be central, Agger at left back then. As Agger is good at going forward and can shoot. My view, wrong tactic, wrong strategy, wrong personnel, disjointed performance. But one has better performance is Mignolet, triple save, a contender for save of the season. |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 22 2013, 12:06 AM) Firstly, it's one defeat. If a game was based on one bad defeat, Arsenal would have been out of the race after they lost to Villa. A simple answer,Secondly, what are players supposed to say to the media? My club isn't good enough? Context. we will work hard as hard as possible, achieve as high as possible, so hard to say? Needless to say can win the title after 4 games. |
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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 22 2013, 12:11 AM) People are quick to blame Aspas when the chief in midfield, our captain, Stevie Gerrard was woeful. His decision making was terrible. Couldn't control the tempo to save his life. I have said before, Gerrard may play too many games in succession, he is not at 20-30 anymore. As expected, the midfield gets overun in the second half. Gerrard's concentration level is questionable the very least and Lucas runs out of steam. Compounded by the absence of an advanced playmaker to link up play as well as the lack of width to stretch Southampton. Time to give a rest. Play CB at LB and RB, there won't be any width, as they are not known for overlapping run and give cross or shooting. Apart from Moses, no winger at all. |
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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 22 2013, 12:46 AM) That's how i saw it too. Aspas did a lot leg work in the first half. Yeah he's built like a teenage boy but his constant movement and pressing kept pressure on Soto. But i think BR wanted some width because we had none from the fullbacks and Moses was isolated without support. I think Aspas was the only player dispensable at that time. There was no way BR would remove either Gerrard or Lucas. One is the captain, the other is the only reliable tackler in midfield. It's a crappy situation. Anyone that perform badly, should always being substituted or benched, this is manager duty, whether he is the captain or not.But I would say the team perform badly as a whole apart from Mignolet, Moses, or Sakho (as CB). This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 22 2013, 12:52 AM |
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 22 2013, 08:58 AM) It's one of those days we show too much respect for a Soton team. They choose to be adventurous and we choose to be cautious. They played really well. Hope they can do the damage to our rivals now while we focus on ourselves. At home, and playing cautious against midtable team? I sense that only an emphatic win against Black Cats will satisfy all of us. If so mentality is not right, I already questioned the mentality issue on last game. Sunderland is the only 1 team still with winless for the EPL after 5 games. Playing cautious again on next match? |
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 22 2013, 11:06 AM) A very good analysis bro. We shouldn't have that inferior attitude in Anfield. That strategy and mentality was all wrong. The mentality already wrong in the last match against Swansea, particular after scoreline became 2-2.Mentality approaching a match is very important as well, you want the team and player has winning mentality all the time, instead of saying word in the interview can become the title contender but not showing on the pitch performance. Hunger, urgency are something that missing at the moment. I wonder if there is issue on fitness problem, previously 45 min team, lately, show lack of energy in display, less closing down opponent fast, lack of passing accuracy, very little off the ball running around. |
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 22 2013, 03:10 PM) Sure hope it's only said in a jest. Criticism doesn't mean do not support.It's is more than ever at the moment, now after this defeat, Rodgers needs fans understanding & absolute support & encouragement. It is thru trials we learn shortcomings & work around it #supportRodgers Some criticism is good that expose the weakness of the team that the team, player or manager can improve upon. Just like fans questioning the 4CB, many have said should be playing Agger at LB and Sakho should be at CB. This clearly make sense and obvious, as Agger is comfortable on the ball as well as can dribble and shoot, while Sakho played way better at CB after Agger being substituted, this already show the starting line-up and position may already a questionable issue. You can't expect fans to say welldone, and support what the manager has being doing at last match, right? This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 22 2013, 03:26 PM |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 22 2013, 03:42 PM) Funny thing is most posters figured we added to squad depth before the season began. In addition to Alberto, Sakho, Toure, Aspas, Ilori, we have Jordan Ibe promoted to the first team. We lost Downing and loaned out Borrini. Won't mention Mignolet coz Pepe left. Also, Spearing and Carroll were already out on loan. In a sense we did add to squad depth but not in the area I'm most concerned about, central midfield and in particular a deep lying midfielder to challenge Lucas for a starting berth. I agreed on this part, the manager need to shoulder a lot of responsibility in this issue.I don't think the issue was about squad depth as much as it was about wrong tactics and underperforming players.mi mean people talk about Sterling but Gerrard and Sturridge were equally unimpressive. It wasn't that we didn't have cover for Johnson as we had Wisdom and Kelly on the bench. Until so far, personally I still do not see much tactically superiority over the opponent most of the time under BR. I do not see how the team pawned opponent team due to superiority in tactical wise, as well as do not see game changing substitute and personnel/formation changing that result in change of face of the match. Good tactically wise is important to bring up the player game as well. |
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 22 2013, 03:34 PM) Aspas: boss, I sense that the mentality of the team is wrong. They are not fighting hard enough to win May be need manager to "hair-dry" the underperforming players.BR: then go out and talk to dailymail about our championship potential. Let them believe. More interviews more coverage. They will buy it into their mind |
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 23 2013, 11:06 PM) I was referring to the timing of substitutions.Kenny and rafa never made substitutions at half time whenever we were struggling to score. I hardly notice whatever change or substitute made by BR has big impact, or change of tactic during the match, that can change the face of the game, aka turn draw or lose into win, or turn dismay performance from first half into brilliant on second half. They usually leave it up to 80 minutes played by which any changes are rendered ineffective.It was especially worse in rafa's last season and used to frustrate the hell out of me. If you noticed over the years managers like ferguson and mourinho used to make big changes at half time or at 60 minutes whenever things weren't going in their way. Since the season start, second half performance either awful or "heart-beating" like one. Fitness issue? All 3 win come with first half goal. |
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2013, 08:18 PM) Possibly more to do with the possibility of injury. I mean we lost Toure, Cissokho and Allen to injury in the tie against Notts County. A title challenge is more important than a league cup win, King Kenny found that out and Rodgers can ill afford to falter further at this juncture of the league competition. I reckon he'll rest some key players. Losing to the mancs in the league cup at Old Trafford isn't the worst thing that could happen and I'd like to see some of the young uns get a competitive game under their belt. Would like to see Ibe and Alberto given a go. The former in particular has looked impressive for the U-21s. Wow, I do not know that. Losing to MU is not the worst thing, I agree. But if losing at this weekend at Sunderland that the only team without a win after 5 games, then it is. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 24 2013, 08:43 PM |
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Another carbon copy of Southampton's goal.
Very surprise to see Gerrard play another full match. Consecutive, run of matches, 2 matches per week during WC Q, now as well. |
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If this Saturday fail to get a win, because of jaded performance (due to not fresh enough, player injured etc), then the decision to field all first team player on league cup will under a lot of scrutiny.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 26 2013, 02:00 PM) Lets do a summary of BR's transfer success with regards to getting into first team. Success or not is based on league position, league point tally. Mignolet- success Toure-success aspas-failure so far alberto-no significant game time sakho-success cissokho-injured coutinho-success sturridge-success illori-not played yet That's more than 50% success rate with potential for further improvements. Compare with kenny enrique-success downing-failure henderson-failure adam -failure doni-failure that's only a 20% success rate.If you think henderson is a success it still gives you a max of 40% success rate which is less than br.I have excluded their first transfer windows as they are still new to the job. Manage to get into first team, but can't help the team to win more points, is not deemed success. |
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Why no mention about Suarez signing then?
Kenny was the manager at that time, isn't it? |
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