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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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post Oct 7 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 7 2013, 04:03 PM)
not too bad after watching replay rite now... it just spurs hardly make penetrate movement cuz siggy and paulinho always looking to shoot outside..plus with 10 men defensive strategy i think eriksen hardly to make a dead pass... atleast he's better than that 30m best talent in the world which heating up the seat
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surprised me that lamela juz warming the bench...andros townsend great form must be played a part..who would have thought that ehhhh
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QUOTE(leftist @ Oct 7 2013, 08:39 AM)
surprised me that lamela juz warming the bench...andros townsend great form must be played a part..who would have thought that ehhhh
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post Oct 7 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 7 2013, 03:39 PM)
Here's Carra and Neville take on BR's 352 and SaS partnership. Neville was a great fullback and even he admits that it's hard to play as a wingback. BR must be a sadist to put an 18 year old winger as a wingback tongue.gif But it's a very insightful vid.


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As pointed by Neville, the major drawback of the 3-5-2 system is when opponent team double team up on either both wing, lot of space there for the opponent to exploit.
It rely a lot on hardworking midfielder a lot to cover those area.
Coincident Hendo seems play better? Because Hendo may more hardworking or workhorse type of player as compare to Lucas.

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post Oct 7 2013, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 7 2013, 11:49 AM)
Not sure if the 3-5-2 was enforced upon is or planned. It may be pre-meditated hence the purchase of Sakho and Ilori when we already had Agger, Toure, Wisdom, Skrtel and Kelly on our payroll. It has been said that we'd not field this formation with the return of Johnson but I reckon we'll be even stronger when he returns and we maintain this shape. Enrique and Johnson are both well suited for the role of wingbacks unlike say fielding Sterling in that position who is a liability on defence. It also helps masks the inconsistency of Lucas and gives him less pressure in that position. Henderson excelled against Palace also because there was less pressure on him defensively what with us having 3 at the back. More importantly this formation allows both Sturridge and Suarez to adopt more central roles and it was easy on the eye how well they linked up against Palace. They are the highest scoring duo in the prem. Like it or not, Rodgers isn't a one-trick-pony despite allegations that he doesn't have a plan B. The issue we have now is maintaining our rhythm in the 2nd half. When asked,  Rodgers said they weren't playing passively under his instructions and it was an issue of mentality. Reckon we need to hire a new sports psychologist then.
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From my pov,

Sakho dominant in the air as well as tough defending that actually make the 3CB look good/solid.
The 3-5-2 system has yet undergone major test against top team. So jury still out there.

While when BR played 4 CB with Sakho at the fullback time, the team looked poor.

The plan B issue is about changing during the match, aka changing of tactic and personnel during the match, when play poorly, and manage to change the face of the match or result.
Not about change between matches.

But now the issue is not about plan B, but the tag of a 45 min team. tongue.gif

The mentality issue was already spotted since the match against Swansea.

If the team drop off purposely and due to tactically issue, by playing counter attack, then seems ok.
But second half often the team like run out of steam one.
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post Oct 7 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 7 2013, 05:24 PM)
From my pov,

Sakho dominant in the air as well as tough defending that actually make the 3CB look good/solid.
The 3-5-2 system has yet undergone major test against top team. So jury still out there.

While when BR played 4 CB with Sakho at the fullback time, the team looked poor.

The plan B issue is about changing during the match, aka changing of tactic and personnel during the match, when play poorly, and manage to change the face of the match or result.
Not about change between matches.

But now the issue is not about plan B, but the tag of a 45 min team.  tongue.gif

The mentality issue was already spotted since the match against Swansea.

If the team drop off purposely and due to tactically issue, by playing counter attack, then seems ok.
But second half often the team like run out of steam one.
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Let me explain the rationale behind the 45 mins team strategy.

1st season - test and trial
2nd season - 45 mins team. winning is all matters and getting as many points. Potentially getting a trophy flex.gif
3rd season - full 70 mins team because got massive influx of world class players joining the club and won the 19th and 1 other cup. icon_rolleyes.gif
4th season - Domestic and Europe domination and Barca step aside
5th season - World Champion club and continue domination
6th season - Political issue, change of owner and manager, massive number of players exiting. 20 years of slump follow. shocking.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 7 2013, 05:57 PM)
Let me explain the rationale behind the 45 mins team strategy.

1st season - test and trial
2nd season - 45 mins team. winning is all matters and getting as many points. Potentially getting a trophy  flex.gif
3rd season - full 70 mins team because got massive influx of world class players joining the club and won the 19th and 1 other cup.  icon_rolleyes.gif
4th season - Domestic and Europe domination and Barca step aside
5th season - World Champion club and continue domination
6th season - Political issue, change of owner and manager, massive number of players exiting. 20 years of slump follow.  shocking.gif tongue.gif
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2nd season i LIKE thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 7 2013, 05:57 PM)
Let me explain the rationale behind the 45 mins team strategy.

1st season - test and trial
2nd season - 45 mins team. winning is all matters and getting as many points. Potentially getting a trophy  flex.gif
3rd season - full 70 mins team because got massive influx of world class players joining the club and won the 19th and 1 other cup.  icon_rolleyes.gif
4th season - Domestic and Europe domination and Barca step aside
5th season - World Champion club and continue domination
6th season - Political issue, change of owner and manager, massive number of players exiting. 20 years of slump follow.  shocking.gif tongue.gif
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7th season-many bilionaire buys small club and be champion
8th season-top 4 seems impossible
9th season-konchesky,poulsen becoming legend and retired
10th season-relegated to Championship
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post Oct 7 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(leftist @ Oct 7 2013, 04:39 PM)
surprised me that lamela juz warming the bench...andros townsend great form must be played a part..who would have thought that ehhhh
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simply coz he's not that good enough as 30m player and avb doesnt want to pressure him just like how we did to carroll.. 30m is a big money and if it flopped, it MAY affect avb's job
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QUOTE(K.H.A.I @ Oct 7 2013, 07:13 PM)
7th season-many bilionaire buys small club and be champion
8th season-top 4 seems impossible
9th season-konchesky,poulsen becoming legend and retired
10th season-relegated to Championship
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11th season - rafa return as bill shankly
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post Oct 7 2013, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 7 2013, 09:52 PM)
11th season - rafa return as bill shankly
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And 12th season - Donald Trump becomes Donald Duck and women's games take prominence instead of men and the players wear wonder woman's costume as jersey while female referee wear Poison Ivy's suit. SAF c@strate himself to join the trend.

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QUOTE(4ddict @ Oct 7 2013, 12:01 PM)
if im not mistaken, Juve under conte during their unbeaten league win is using the 3-5-2 formation.
Agree with Duke that BR buying Sakho and Ilori because he want to use this formation.
Wait till Coutinho fit again and i think our SaS duo will bang more goal  flex.gif
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Difference is Juventus plays with a single pivot in Pirlo. With box to box type midfielders in Vidal and Marchisio/Pogba in front of him, Pirlo can concentrate on dictating the game from deep.

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post Oct 7 2013, 10:34 PM

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Just watched the replay of Spurs vs West Ham. Reminded me of our Istanbul Magic. They were hit by 18 minutes of craziness and lost the game.

Purely unlucky.

I am going to try to watch all games again next 2 weeks. It seems like I am able to bring some curse to our rivals. LOL biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 7 2013, 10:34 PM)
Just watched the replay of Spurs vs West Ham. Reminded me of our Istanbul Magic. They were hit by 18 minutes of craziness and lost the game.

Purely unlucky.

I am going to try to watch all games again next 2 weeks. It seems like I am able to bring some curse to our rivals. LOL biggrin.gif
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u watch cos u missed downing right tongue.gif
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post Oct 7 2013, 11:05 PM

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Mourinho with his mind game....taking pressure off chelsea.... Not here to win title but smth bigger...to build legacy... wow...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Oct 7 2013, 11:04 PM)
u watch cos u missed downing right tongue.gif
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Curious about how they fell apart. Mayan Downing has already passed the baton over to Mayan Aspas. 2nd half of the season, it will be the rise of Mayan Aspas flex.gif

All hail the Mayan King tongue.gif
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Anyway watching Liverpool's replay vs Helang now. Victor Moses' positioning is brilliant.

Really brilliant. At times he went in late and defenders totally missed him. At times he's ahead faster when enrique or suarez try to cut back the ball to him.

So so unlucky not to score on 2 close encounters. Forget Mata Kucing.

This is the guy we need to link with SAS. Speed, positioning and skills in abundance. Just need to give him time to improve on finishing.

Problem is, will Chelsea honor the deal and sell him at last? I fear they may change their mind.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 7 2013, 11:34 PM)
Anyway watching Liverpool's replay vs Helang now. Victor Moses' positioning is brilliant.

Really brilliant. At times he went in late and defenders totally missed him. At times he's ahead faster when enrique or suarez try to cut back the ball to him.

So so unlucky not to score on 2 close encounters. Forget Mata Kucing.

This is the guy we need to link with SAS. Speed, positioning and skills in abundance. Just need to give him time to improve on finishing.

Problem is, will Chelsea honor the deal and sell him at last? I fear they may change their mind.
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I think he is just a backup for Suarez at that time. When Coutinho comes back, his appearance will be limited again. Unless he is pushed wider replacing Sterling/Hendo.
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post Oct 8 2013, 01:07 AM

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whenever i watch tomkins, he remind me of hyypia
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In terms of formation: 352 or 532, if played in fluid interchange means control...control attack and control defense...the trick is always to get the balance right...the meeting between the eagles and reds actually pit 2 teams that I supported as kid...but I am still sane enough to think that its a 3 pointer for us to lose...nothing to shout about against a bottom 2 team, but my admiration goes to SG for his gracefulness while converting the penalty, shows his humbling side...which I think is a soft penalty to be given away in the first place...tho i expect Sterling to stretch Palace on the flank but it never happen and his telling contribution, the dubious penalty from his all too easy tumble to the ground..

Agree that Moses offer something different, attacking thrust and penetrative run...sigh.. if only Aspas can do the same...but again, they are both of different price tag....Henderson's performance as DM doesn't really surprise, at least me...he posses the stamina to cover the grass, and possess that lil but of height to win headers in the centre circle...the ability to tackle or shadow is something that can hone from playing more consistently...I personally don't think we need DM, as I felt Henderson and Allen can be effectively utilize on rotation basis...

With the international fixture coming up, I tot its kinda favorable to Liverpool, as we are performing and getting result without playing with much fluidity...what worse can international break do to us...except 2 boring weeks
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post Oct 8 2013, 02:41 AM

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if we tend to play 3-5-2, it will be nonsense to play DM coz the CB shuld cover that..

----mignolet------------
-kolo-----sakho--- agger-
------hendo-----gerrard--
glen-----------------moses-
--------cout-----------------
--suarez------strud-------

this will do the best.. with johnson as 50/50 while mose is mainly attack

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