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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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post Sep 21 2013, 10:37 AM

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juan mata to lfc?

Yes, maybe back several seasons was an opportunity but lets not be deluded, for one Lfc has no big europe games to entice him at all. No, Liverpoolfc today won't pay for such fee. maybe in another 2-3 seasons later will we part even a 20mil player (shd we be in CL consistently)

Let's not kid ourselves.

If there is another club that would raise Juan Mata's personal interest should he not feature anymore in Jose's team, it would be likely to either Arsenal & Napoli but then again it all depends also weather chelsea proceeds into CL or EC come later this season tongue.gif

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post Sep 21 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 21 2013, 12:07 PM)
funny how now everyone expects LFC to not win anymore tongue.gif
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We have seen over 24 years & several false dawn. We know it will take time. We don't buy the fact others may claim we are championship material. WE ARE NOT. we are miles away, not yet anyway.

WE don't delude ourself, unlike some who don the invisible cape (i.e. "emperor with no clothes") we are & should stay grounded always.

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post Sep 21 2013, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 21 2013, 12:54 PM)
The mentality of us should always focus on winning and throw every doubts away.

If we are all players here, I am sure BR will throw most of the pessimist in this forum out and let them go fishing.

Last thing we want is people giving no confidence and keep predicting we are getting into trouble. Reality is, we will lose points at some point, but it's a marathon, and it's not the end of the world.

To see so many non-positive thinking is really baffling. Sounds abit like my mum who always predict the worst out of every situation. Seriously, it makes it feel better huh when the worst happens? TOTAL FACEPALM
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Alright for one, from experience tells me otherwise. I'm not like mr.positive A, everything also must always act P O S I T I V E (one).

Like those "Happy morning everyone", "Today we will chant 100 times, We will WIN, we will WIN, be positives everyone" or like insurance agents "Today we will make 100 sales stay positive people", "*Hang out with only WINNERS, not losers, stay away from them as they are negative people". And those MLM will drum 1000% positive thinking to all their downliners "WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT" and then go out to do their thingy. < it works for them but i'm not built that way. I don't think i can live in their (bubble) world. tongue.gif

I would like to think i live in the grounded world. I'm not those machas with those "Be A WINNER or be square" banners plastered on their foreheads. wink.gif


Games come & go, there are 50:50 chance to win. in some games maybe lesser after knowing our current strength & on past records against such opposition(s) from experience. call it coping mechanism or excuses as how i think those mlm people coin those term.

I got a thinking cap that says as much as i would prefer & like that we are on the pinnacle of the league table by mid season, from experience (looking at the squad & how we play/cope with opposition), it would be difficult. (though noting is impossible) but very, very hard for even a betting man to place his life savings that we are above all the big 4 club mid season. cool2.gif ok?

when you are down in KL, i'll buy you a drink la. smile.gif cool2.gif @dillionyong





*perhaps i guess, for the reasons i'm not in those forbes rich people's circle is I'm not built like those mr positive type of people (bummer) sweat.gif

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post Sep 22 2013, 03:57 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 22 2013, 01:03 AM)
I dreaded the people here when liverpool lose. All out in force to slaughter the team.

You can shout now "WE WERE RIGHT~~" and wooo hooo...(Not pessimist, but realistic) KUDOS to you now.

Your wish and your curse came true and you can sleep well tonight
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I don't think anyone (LFc fan) would gloat that liverpool lost. Prior to todays lost I was happy we kept a clean record of no losses but like a few others quite concern of the manner we won, kinda rode our luck. The lofty summit hid the fact we are actually a not quite a settled team (at least to me)

While i'm not like most of you who can quote & point positions like those FM, fifa manager games. I see it as is. all the super analytical analysis, made up stats charts count little for me. call it old school if you want.

We need to spend in january to get a good player. a player who can help support & bring out the best in our better players. We have some bright sparks but as it beginning to be obvious, good players seem to become sub standard. It could be tactical/team tactics, it can also be the lack of 'quality' players to bounce off your game.

I do wish we can crave more wins soon (even if means many ugly wins or lucky wins) before the following month. If it doesn't, i fear the worse as the 'tell' of the squad becomes so obvious that we are actually a below average squad relying on 1 or 2 players. I know some are asking to trust in rodgers, & trust FSG. I do but i also hope they would listen to some fans "we need a good player or simple term for others to understand a marquee one (and those who ask BR to have plan B). Sure, we may lie very high up the table still & shown the very best start to the league in years. Some might quip 'league table don't lie, we are still on the top'. Its only our fifth game, it's the manner we lost & hell, it's bloody long way more of the season. sad.gif

Out of respect to Lfc & to @dillionyong, i wanted to not comment of tonite's loss. This is also not about me being a pessimistic, but i got to get it off my chest.
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post Sep 22 2013, 12:57 PM

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A lot have been said of rodgers being under 'mourino' tutelage & has lots of vigour & his own vision/potential tuck inside his football head.

I would respectfully say to my (close) friends, one rodgers is no mourino, or another next great mourino. zero. far from it. I think its easy to sell a story that hey we have potentially a great manager that will elevate us to hopefully win the league.

yes rodgers has potential, yes, brendan rodgers is young good manager, but he has a lot of..sorry to say this, some naivety in how he evaluates players/tactics. He over evaluate certain things, one might say rafa is worse but i think in the latter there is a (rafa) methodology. < this is not a put down this vs that manager but in rodgers case,..in simpler term for the rest, rodgers is not experience enough (yet).

Perhaps all good young(er) managers goes thru this. It's how they overcome those "shortcomings" in helping preparing the team tactics & squad. I'm sorry i cannot word some stuff as articulate as some of you guys, or sugar coat the situation for dear fellow kopites.

It's not all doom & gloom from here on. it's how Lfc recognise those shortcomings & overcome it.

It's a difficult position to be in i know. how should rodgers react or should he react to fans criticism after last night 4 centrebacks disaster? tinker again or play safe of back to square one in putting forth a game-plan of "tiki-taka"

Whatever it is I hope we are back to playing with confidence.



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post Sep 22 2013, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 22 2013, 03:41 PM)
Outplayed at Ainfield. BR's golden boy Sterling was poor. Should have sent him on loan instead of Borini
#BRout
#Rafa in
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Sure hope it's only said in a jest.

It's is more than ever at the moment, now after this defeat, Rodgers needs fans understanding & absolute support & encouragement. It is thru trials we learn shortcomings & work around it

#supportRodgers
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post Sep 22 2013, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 22 2013, 04:26 PM)
Criticism doesn't mean do not support.
Some criticism is good that expose the weakness of the team that the team, player or manager can improve upon.

Just like fans questioning the 4CB, many have said should be playing Agger at LB and Sakho should be at CB. This clearly make sense and obvious, as Agger is comfortable on the ball as well as can dribble and shoot, while Sakho played way better at CB after Agger being substituted, this already show the starting line-up and position may already a questionable issue.

You can't expect fans to say welldone, and support what the manager has being doing at last match, right?
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I know, I've been echoing that in my previous post. It's the call for "out" and another to be "in" after 5 matches, in which I replied to bitebug which I shd think and dearly hope said in a jest

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post Sep 22 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 22 2013, 03:09 PM)
The problem is not average players. The problem is getting the average players to perform at their maximum level. I don't think neither Lucas nor Gerrard have performed anywhere near their optimal level. It may due to them having played one too many games or perhaps the partnership is just not working right. It can be a number of reasons. But BR needs to find out how to get the most out of his players.
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less we forget, the idea BR wanted to implement a 'system' that takes precedence over the reliance on players, ala barcelonafc. That's alright, we need to find a balance (senior team vs grooming the squad).

It's always difficult but while I would hope there is no abandonment of what was seeded (which is i suppose why FSG got BR) at ground zero. One think i hope Brendan is to wise up (talking to media) in a certain way. No need to educate the press/media on how/what's tiki-taka or why it is important to instil belief within (unity, nice brotherly (hugs) love, good man management, death-by football etc etc. It's not as if football began the last decade....(self mumbling grrr) i digress.

Maybe BR had hoped that he can blueprint that into all lfc playing, system > (reliance on) players. Truth is as much as in that seems very good on paper. we have seen barcelona system falls-into-pieces once 3 main ingredient player(s) have a below average game (i.e. messi, xavi, puyol) esp against good teams.

There's a need to have balance where system-of-play & getting the 'right' players to work it well and working with players to their strength


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post Sep 23 2013, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 22 2013, 05:08 PM)
No need to look far. Some of our own players played their part in ousting Rafa. Maybe that's why BR is afraid to even sub Gerrard, let alone dropping him for much needed rest.
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at his age gerrard himself should know he cant bunny run like he was in his twenties.


An article that raises injuries & how to deal with (football teams). While one may say its subjective or a little superficial (article), it offers some insights on how teams needs to be set up/dealt with in today's hectic football season
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This then raises the question – Can you avoid injuries? The answer is a clear ‘no’. However, you can work in a way to prevent and reduce the amount of them.

Our way of working to prevent injury can only be done with the co-operation of the medical staff from the outset, to have a clear programme of work, to maximise prevention… The diagnosis when the injury occurs and the treatment afterwards are the key avoiding new injuries.

To this end the medical staff must be co-ordinated with the technical staff. They are the ones who design the training sessions, the workload and the extra preventative or compensatory work done by the medical staff and should be taken in to consideration by the fitness coach who also has a workload to organise. I am being serious when I say we were shocked to find a fitness coach from the medical department doing weights with a couple of players on the morning of a big game. This can only result in overload and therefore a risk of injury.

Strangely, it is becoming more common for players to return to their native country for treatment. To stop this it is vital to have absolute confidence in the club medical staff who also have a duty to solve the problem.

To investigate muscular injuries, especially the ischio-tibial ones, it is essential to know the factors involved:

The injury history The fact of having had a previous muscle injury increases the risk of re-injury, and at Inter, 80% of injuries had occurred in the same muscle group during the previous two seasons.

Muscular imbalance between quadriceps and ischio-tibial (anterior and posterior thigh muscles). You have to do specific work without the ball to address this imbalance.

Age The older the player, the more risk of injury there is, especially muscular ones; also there is the biological factor of age, so you must take in to account that older players have had more hours of practice and therefore hundreds of matches and thousands of training sessions in their legs.

Other factors can increase the risk of injury; for example, race (black players are more prone to muscle injury because they generally have more explosive muscles); fatigue (a tired muscle has more chance of being injured because its functionality has changed); inappropriate warm up, or habits like smoking, drinking, not resting or inadequate diet all increase the risk of muscular injury.

An injury, then, will have multiple causes and players exposed to more of these risk factors, like the ones we have mentioned, will be prone to suffering more injuries.



Can he draw up a plan where the reliances of captain roy-of-liverpool cannot be overly too reliant on if a whole season. England which is managed by roy (ex lfc gaffer) uses gerrard extensively. Gerrard shd know why scholes was selfishly guarded by fergie in his time at mau.

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post Sep 23 2013, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Sep 23 2013, 05:02 PM)
mana source?

Read that Rafa also planning to raid Mata on January.
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juan mata speaks highly of rafa. when rafa was at chelsea. hardly anyone, esp most chelsea fans. None spoke in defence for rafa except a few chelsea (esp spanish) players & david luiz.
(maybe I suppose thats why mourino-the-great has those players in cold storage now??? tongue.gif )

p.s I think there is a link of what juan mata said in defence of rafa in rafa's blog.

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post Sep 24 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Chris Lam @ Sep 24 2013, 12:24 AM)
Bro Rot = Do u watch Liverpool play during rafa regime? Rafa normally makes single/double subs at 60-66min's. U can google it & check. I put my head on it if u found it majority subs r not make during that moment. And the 3rd on 80+ minutes as usual. Wait he did make a half time changes when we won the euro cup smile.gif

FYI @ Under my memory. This is the 1st time he make a tactical sub at half time(Apart from injury). The only time he make a earlier subs was sub suso out for henderson in a 30-35m which i bizzare he did so when suso was playing the best fb with suarez.

Daglish & Hogson all hardly make subs which i agree. Notablely after 70 only they did so. Wait..Rodgers also the same happen last season..I remember he make 2 subd even we r winning games. As i always complained..when we r winning..we should let young players
played yet majority 2 changes prefer.

Cant comment much tonite but what said it that article says it all. All played badly but we hardly supported moses & sturridge upfront. Pairing 4 CB plating in defensive..I haven't heard any successful team played  so and once i saw the teamsheet..R they planning to win the game like stoke or they defend like stoke. FYI @ he have 2 best youth LB england international in Robinson(Loan)/Smith & McLaughlin (Ask to joined the reb.ireland senior squad..I a better prospect than wisdom/flanagan) at RB.

Brad Smith...
An Australian-born left-back blessed with lightning pace, Smith's rampaging runs proved to be a feature of the U18s' play over the course of the 2010-11 season.
The young defender was spotted whilst playing for the same high school as Jack Robinson and combines solid defending with exciting forays forward, which was perhaps typified by a stunning long range effort in a 6-0 rout of Bolton.
Smith's superb form inevitably led to international recognition and he played a key role in England U17s' run to the quarter-finals of the World Cup in Mexico.
As a first-year scholar, he played for the 18s, last year he moved to the U21s but struggled a little with an injury.
However, he won scholar of the year at the end of last season which provided him with the opportunity to go away to South Africa with representatives from other Barclays Premier League clubs and represent the league. 
Smith also went away with the first-team in the summer of 2011-12 for their North America tour. He will be aiming to stay injury free this year and feature for the U21s.

Ryan McLaughlin...
Is a Northern Ireland youth international who signed in at the Academy in the summer of 2011.
The full-back is a determined competitor and a stylish attacker who has represented his country at U16, U17, U18 and U21 level.
In the summer of 2012, the teenager was called into the full Northern Ireland squad for a friendly against Finland; however, injury forced him to withdraw.
A permanent member of the U21s throughout the 2011-12 season, McLaughlin was selected in the squad that travelled to North America in July 2012 for the Reds' pre-season tour.
He made his unofficial Liverpool debut in the second fixture of the tour against AS Roma and was given the task of man-marking Italian legend Francesco Totti.
Following another year of encouraging development with the Reds' U21 team, McLaughlin signed a new contract at Anfield in July 2013.

My 2 cents.
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Yup, pretty sure rafa's (clockwork) timing of subs is about there, he doesn't throw in subs just in last minutes (for the heck), only in few but there were already prior subs. Also alot people criticised his "rotation" policy but every top teams now does that, 2007/2008 man u never started the same team & i believe it was their championship title run.

The thing is yes players should be blame if they don't perform but in this case the bizarre team tactics meant the team had shortcomings. I think the post Chris Lam attached spelt it quite well.

I know BR will learn from this. I always maintained i felt rodgers doesn't quite know players strength. He has a "theories" i suppose but as in any team, any top team or middle club or small club, the manager sets the team rhythm of play/tactics. He puts forth the selected set of players, he determines the strength of the team.


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post Sep 24 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 24 2013, 10:29 AM)
The number of dribbles are not something to shout about. Luis Garcia also once has some of the most beautiful dribbles when he was with us.

In Suso's position, assists are all that matters and goals too perhaps.

When he's back, he's competing against Couts. Big task.
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well, to be on loan is a good thing for him to mature, though chances are suso will move on. never once as far as i can remember any player loaned returns to play as regular in Lfc.
no? anyone?

I know there are exceptions to the rule though i don't see it happening.

suso has talent but is kinda small size for premiership, it all depends on the players around him to see if it works. I doubt we will build a team around/support his talent. which is why i'll say suso is almost good as gone

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post Sep 24 2013, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 24 2013, 04:22 PM)
Rodgers decision to field 4 centrebacks was bizarre but I disagree that he doesn't have a plan B. One could say that he favours possession football but which manager doesn't have a signature style? When did Man Utd last change their style of play? Even so it needs to be noted that Rodgers has been reverting to a deeper defensive line, relying on counterattacking football rather than possession football in the second halves of games against Man Utd and Aston Villa in particular. Not saying it was the best decision on either occasion but it does prove that he changes formations and tactics during the game.

Also, he has never been shy to use the bench. Against the Saints, he brought on Enrique and shifted Henderson to fullback so that we'd have a little more bite in attack. He would also have Countinho adopt a more central or wider role depending on the progression of a game. In conclusion, I reckon it's a case of making the wrong decision instead of not making a decision.

Not having a plan B is a trait unique to Roy Hodgson who played 4-4--------2 instead of 4-4-2, playing only direct football. There is no other reason a ball playing centreback like Dagger could not get a game ahead of any of the lumpers we had. Rodgers may not be making too many right decisions on the pitch this season but he certainly hasn't been as inflexible as Hodgson.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 24 2013, 04:12 PM)
I hardly notice whatever change or substitute made by BR has big impact, or change of tactic during the match, that can change the face of the game, aka turn draw or lose into win, or turn dismay performance from first half into brilliant on second half.

Since the season start, second half performance either awful or "heart-beating" like one.
Fitness issue? 

All 3 win come with first half goal.
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It's seems more to me Rodgers has a plan but he (seem) doesn't 'really' know the strength/weakness of a player to excercute his plan. Most of the subsititution appears to relieve a tired or exhausted player (first) than a tactical substitution to win a game. (Of course subs coming in to defend a lead late on are regular norms, almost no brainier most of the time).

As I said before, while Brendan Rodgers emphasize system>players. He thens to stick to 'system' (which i think why some guys thinks he doesn't plan b) and hope the player in scrurry & clog into plan just like that.
Rodgers doesnt route 1 (ala roy) in football though it seems to appear that's how we been defending esp in the second half.

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post Sep 25 2013, 09:23 PM

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Don't think moyes will be sacked. They may underperform this season but mau will be up there

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Sep 26 2013, 05:50 PM)
I still feel Suarez should have played the front role compared to Sturridge as he looked lost and exhausted. He's not fully fit but yet his determination to play is something to talk about. I hope Suarez starts ahead of Sturridge with him, sitting behind Suarez as what we saw last season.
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sigh, we aren't even in europe & 'fatigue' is the reason why our has squad loss-of-form (few key players). We (seemed) that we aren't managing our players strength/performance. we are guilty of taxing key players

Now brendan rodgers has allegedly called to get reinforcements come january*. i suppose the raid for alonso? (return?) or after 7 games we are...showing signs of 'puffing' out. sad.gif

should we? are we tinkering again? did we drop tiki-taka? to work around on what we have?

link > call for reinforcements in january?

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Leaving out gerrard? even when he is stained (off colour because he isn't a young fella) he still starts, it begs the question, are we over reliant or we simply have not enough quality.

Time for hendo to step up. why the hell did we sell botak jonjo shelvey!! when a bit part if he plays means we players to have a better streak & to keep players fresh sad.gif

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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Sep 26 2013, 11:25 PM)
there's no way u want tiki-taka with combination of gerrard-lucas-hendo

plus if wanna tiki taka we shuld start with new talent with suso,alberto,teixera.. this is the player that can tiki taka

Spot on!..we dont have the players for tiki taka, not with gerard, not with leaden-foot lucas, henderson - i m not sure, he has some skill tho and is very industrious, which is one of the characteristic of hard-core possession football  ....We probably need someone to bite the bullet, drop non-performer, no matter SG or Agger...but of course managers hardly drop their captain, eventho they perform shit example - terry during moaninho former reign....but we can ill afford sentimentality...have had enough of drumming up players ability, whose decline is evident...

Roughly details our decline since 1991 but also the progress made off the pitch where the race which doesn't involve a shiny silver trophy needs to be own, and we're playing catchup - Good read,

but it is already well known amongst Red supporters...we had one calamity too many...from Souness infathomable decision to sell Beardsley and brought in Saunders, and other stupid signings i.e Paul Stewart & Bjorneby....btw, Souness is the last manager with the sort of buying power and financial muscle to revamp our players, he's got budget to do it and he blewn it..BIG TIME!! Think of Julian Dicks, and you'd think Souness is a d***...couple with boardroom incapability to Morse selling us short to H&G instead of DIC....there are too many variables that were self-inflicted...
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all this tiki taka or what barcelona plays it...or the media puts it has some orgins to the liverpool heydays,.. if memory serves me, i know we play a certain possession football those days, they use to call it 'continental style' < at least as how i remember the commentators called it then. no fancy names back then, but we varied differently esp playing in the league. it was never, never only as possession or death to oppositions.

As i said & maintained, to purposely continued to play "one type" of possession ala-barcelona in the english league, we will suffer. The tempo in the english league as it is always known to be fast & furious. The complains were esp the continental players felt they weren't always allowed to settle. I was never the most intelligent way to play it, I guess great manager knew how to exploit it & i suppose one particularly was so successful in knowing to always seemingly score late in games to win games. (mau??)

Good teams can control, dominate & "then" know how to soak the pressure & hit teams on the break. The level of other clubs have made strides over the years, no teams are easy meat


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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Sep 27 2013, 05:58 PM)
I don't know others, but I've never said we got enough depth, when we missed out on Mickeythryan, Eriksen, Willian, we could predict that when Coutinho out, we would be screwed. And the worst case happened.

Not to mention that we missed out on so many potential transfer, yet we shipped out the likes of Downing, Suso, Shelvey. And the unexpected thing is loaning Borini out, and bring another Borini(Aspas) inrclxub.gif
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this..I..no (more) comments, said my piece before.

maybe next i will be labelled as (staunch) anti rodgers. sad.gif i want him to do well (for us)

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 28 2013, 12:54 PM)
Suarez is an amazing player but Ian Ayre has a point. He represents Liverpool Football Club and his conduct on or off the pitch reflects upon the club. There is no possible way that any of us can condone what he did to Ivanovic. The club comes first and Suarez needs to grow up and realise that. He is responsible for his actions, no one else. He needs to mature, do away with the antics and focus on what he does best, play football. The club has always stood by Suarez and he owes it to us to behave. IF he doesn't he should be reprimanded if not by the manager, then by the management.

I don't think anyone hates Suarez because he's good. They hate him because he constantly whines and remonstrates whenever an opposing player brushes into him though he has showed some restraint since. This is where I'll give him credit. Doesn't go down like he's been tagged by a sniper these days.
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he gives his all, he loves football.

problem is we don't really know if he did what he did to get us to "sell" him. maybe.


As in any professional, what ian says is true. Very often players forget that, it's unfortunate, however all is not lost.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 28 2013, 09:51 PM)
Oh No! They are halfway designing the banner for:

#MaureenOut! biggrin.gif
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To me, amongst all the title contenders, chelsea is THE team. maybe jose just cannot bring himself the fact one, play 'rafa's' chelsea best formation. He seem to have biff with some players who were vocal supportive of rafa's time there.
who knows, i'm sure eventually too jose will realise that & also not feel too sour fergie gave Manu top seat to moyes. tongue.gif

Eriksen, soldano, walker & that sigur (dont knw his full spelling) combined well for spurs, first half. given that many of them were new recruits, they did spark very well for spurs in the first half. Of course jose realised that he cannot bench chelsea's best player forever even IF he thinks oscar is better at juan mata's best position (right). true enough jose needed to shallow his pride a little at the half time massacre & brought ON mata & shifted players around. Then again (some) chelsea friends will say it jose true masterstroke to 'improve' mata. sweat.gif

On a side note, in regards torres losing his speed?? seriously guys, torres with combined with the right players (esp juan mata), he reminds me of torres at liverpool. incredible, effective, explosive. too bad his squabble with Vertoghen ended ugly. ref was wrong about the challendge between torres & vertoghen but that's the thing, while to me having mr cool head rafa, torres would have played with a cooler head, while for jose cases, players can poke opposition players eyes, nose for him (jose). That's just my observation.

anyway, good result that they cancelled each other. time for us to get the desired result against sunderland, i hope their losing streak continues. THough we should not expect a simple walkover. Arsenal found it have agaisnt them earlier this season, the gunners had ozil, & great players that pulled the the win against sunderland. If i remember correctly i think there was also a controversial/disputed call against them & the tide spun in arsenal's favour.

I think they would be (quite) tough opponents against sunderland. We shouldn't be off guard just because they are on the wrong half of the table. Same thing happened to napoli who drew midweek when they played bottom of the table team. underestimate i think when other teams won big against the lowly team.

Show no favours to sunderland, we should be business-like & get the job done & win all three points. no slacking.




*i'm not only the one thinking about jose's second tenure
LINK to = Jose incense at not getting ManU's job & alienating rafa's vocalist at chelsea

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