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 MSI Gaming Notebook V.II, The Refreshed model yet more powerful!

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post Aug 28 2013, 11:05 AM, updated 12y ago

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The latest 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7-4930MX CPU Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90GHz)
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) anti-glare LCD in LED backlight
Enthusiast level NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 880M discrete graphics card provides great performance and ultra images quality
Exclusive Super RAID 2 with 3 SSD RAID0 gives over 1500MB/s storage speed! (option)
Exclusive Cooler Boost 2 technology improves 15% cooling performance with lower fan noise
Exclusive NOS design enhanced 10% GPU graphics performance
Matrix display with max 4 displays to expend the vision for extreme gaming experience or multi tasks
Killer™ DoubleShot combines high-performance Ethernet and Wi-Fi for superior speed and lower latency of online gaming and streaming
Keyboard by SteelSeries with full color LED back light and solid feedback design


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Windows 8.1
The latest 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
The Thinnest & lightest 15.6” gaming notebook
Enthusiast level NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 860M discrete graphics card provides great performance and ultra image quality
SteelSeries Engine to customize every key and devices for personalizing your play style
XSplit Gamecaster for easily recording gaming moments, broadcasting and sharing live gameplay sessions to YouTube, Twitch, UStream and more
Miracast for sharing the game streaming, image gallery, or video clips wirelessly to big screen TV
Super RAID with 2 SSD RAID0 gives you over 900MB/s reading speed (option)
Dual fan thermal cooling system
Keyboard by SteelSeries with LED back light and solid feedback design
Killer™ E2200 Game Networking for smarter, faster, networking for all online entertainment
Sound by Dynaudio
Matrix Display with max 2 external displays to expend the vision for extreme gaming experience or multi tasks



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Windows 8.1
The latest 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
Enthusiast level NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 860M/870M graphic card with GDDR discrete graphics card provides great performance and ultra image quality
Thinnest & lightest 17" gaming notebook
Super RAID with 2 SSD RAID0 gives you over 900MB/s reading speed!!*(option)
Dual fan thermal cooling
Matrix display with max 4 displays to expend the vision for extreme gaming experience or multi tasks
Killer™ DoubleShot combines high-performance Ethernet and Wi-Fi for superior speed and lower latency of online gaming and streaming
Keyboard by SteelSeries with full color LED back light and solid feedback design



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The latest 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) anti-glare LCD in LED backlight
High-end NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 765M discrete graphics card (with GDDR5 2GB VRAM) provides great performance and better images quality
Exclusive Super RAID with 2 SSD RAID0 gives over 900MB/s storage speed! (option)
Exclusive Cooler Boost technology allows user to cool down the system temperature 5%~10%
Exclusive NOS design enhances 10% GPU performance
Matrix display with max 3 displays to expend the vision for extreme gaming experience or multi-tasks
Killer™ E2200 Game Networking for smarter, faster, networking for all online entertainment
Keyboard by SteelSeries with blue color LED back light and solid feedback design


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The latest 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7 Processor
14" HD+(1600X900) / FHD(1920X1080) anti-glare LCD in LED backlight
High-end NVIDIA® GeForce GTX 760M discrete graphics card (with GDDR5 2GB VRAM) provides great performance and better images quality
Exclusive Super RAID with 2 SSD RAID0 gives over 900MB/s storage speed! (option)
The most slim and lightweight 14” gaming notebook with exclusive dragon eye and aluminum design
Matrix display with max 3 displays to expend the vision for extreme gaming experience or multi tasks
Exclusive Audio Boost design enhanced 30% more clear sound and fidelity detail for external headsets and speakers.


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post Aug 28 2013, 11:06 AM

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MSI User Club Zone

GE40 User's Club

GE60 & 70 User's Club

GT60 & GT70 User's Club

GT70 Dragon Edition's Club

GX60/GX70 Club

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MSI WAY OF LIFE


FEATURES


MSI DYNA AUDIO


STEELSERIES KEYBOARD on MSI


How Killer Network helps


SUPER RAID comparison


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Malaysia General Service Hotline : 1300-88-CARE (2273)

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Warranty Question about the Warranty Void sticker? MSI Made a reply as follow:
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CONTENT DELETED TO AVOID CONFUSION AS MSI CLAIM THERE IS CHANGE OF POLICY

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P/S: However This is an official statement from MSI, but we don't encourage you to perform any upgrade by yourself IF:
1. You know what you want to do but you don't know how to do it.
2. You IMAGINE that you can do it
3. You never open a laptop before

then,
Spend some money by bring the unit to authorised Dealer to do the job for you or to send it to authorized service center.

New to MSI GAming Lappy club? It's recommended that you register your product herec REGISTRATION

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Great storm88! Can we have the owner list updated and posted here as well?
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Great storm88! Can we have the owner list updated and posted here as well?
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Will do so smile.gif If someone can help will be better biggrin.gif


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post Aug 28 2013, 01:06 PM

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Reporting in!
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GT70 20D Reporting in... ! daa.. im always get to post last on here...
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New thread finally, Hope the new TS will be more active to update this thread
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what is the price for msi stealth with raid 0 ssd ?.

any one own this monster ? review please

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I'm using the stealth. But the basic one without the raid ssd.
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QUOTE(Cimo @ Aug 28 2013, 03:59 PM)
I'm using the stealth. But the basic one without the raid ssd.
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Can you do a brief review on it? blush.gif

Hows is the temperature profile?
Previously someone mention the GS70's fan gets pretty noisy even when doing light tasks such as web browsing?
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i think is normal noisey fan in MSI gaming notebook... msi is using helicopter fan... too cool down the cpu/gpu tongue.gif

edit: my gt70 sound in nomal tu tu tu tu.... tongue.gif in boost mode Voom voom voom! it will scare off any alien..object ... huhuhu tongue.gif

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yooooooo GS70! brows.gif
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where picture? cmon glamor time... tongue.gif
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smile.gif well got new MSI thread, i guess good to add my 3Dbenchmark.. smile.gif
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not bad for notebook cost under RM7K... smile.gif hmm, if upgrade my ram and CPU.. u think there be improvement..? let say up cpu core i7 4900MQ and max RAM to 32GB RAM...??
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Aug 29 2013, 06:56 PM)
Went to SC in Negeri Sembilan.
Conclusion : Not helpful.  dry.gif
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?? NOT helpful...? why what happen? u ask free notebook? lol biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(INGfusion @ Aug 28 2013, 02:34 PM)
what is the price for msi stealth with raid 0 ssd ?.

any one own this monster ? review please
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Storm88 seller, his selling it with raid 128ssd rm5,100 ask him to confirm..
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GT60.....reporting in smile.gif
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QUOTE(maly @ Aug 29 2013, 11:22 PM)
hai
GT60.....reporting in smile.gif
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rclxms.gif welcome msg storm88 smile.gif
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Getting my GS70 from storm88 soon. A good birthday gift for my birthday on Friday today! :-D
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 29 2013, 11:14 PM)
Storm88 seller,  his selling it with  raid 128ssd rm5,100 ask him to confirm..
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So cheap? ohmy.gif

Recommended retail price is RM 5,499 leh
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 29 2013, 11:53 PM)
Getting my GS70 from storm88 soon. A good birthday gift for my birthday on Friday today! :-D
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happy Bday!! may thousand more to come!
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QUOTE(arcaloveher @ Aug 30 2013, 12:02 AM)
So cheap?  ohmy.gif

Recommended retail price is RM 5,499 leh
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well u can pay him full price if you want smile.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 28 2013, 10:19 PM)
smile.gif  well got new MSI thread, i guess good to add my 3Dbenchmark.. smile.gif
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not bad for notebook cost under RM7K... smile.gif hmm,  if upgrade my ram and CPU.. u think there be improvement..? let say up cpu core i7 4900MQ and  max RAM to 32GB RAM...??
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how did u get 7.9 score for graphics and gaming graphics in Windows Experience Index
My only get 7.2 score when 1st time receive my laptop
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QUOTE(Shiroi14 @ Aug 30 2013, 02:21 AM)
how did u get 7.9  score for graphics and gaming graphics  in Windows Experience Index
My only get 7.2 score when 1st time receive my laptop
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He put ssd maa
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 29 2013, 11:11 PM)
?? NOT  helpful...? why what happen? u ask free notebook? lol biggrin.gif
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Haha who doesnt want a free notebook? ANYWHO , i asked the SC the same questions you asked at Lowyat SC, apparently, unless your lappy goes faulty, they do not offer much services.
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Aug 30 2013, 07:17 AM)
Haha who doesnt want a free notebook? ANYWHO , i asked the SC the same questions yout Lowyat SC, apparently, unless your lappy goes faulty, they do not offer much services.
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So much for a GAMING LAPTOP brand. If they were a bit more proactive (offering upgrades, proper support for self mods, selling optional parts) they could really make a killing - us "gamers" like to modify and tweak stuff and often have loose financial control to boot.

Like this they're still quite a while away from being a good "gaming" oriented brand. They really need to understand that in the long run, selling just a "product" isn't as profitable as selling the "experience".

My queries for spare batteries are still not addressed by MSI careline... mad.gif

I mean it's not that they're doing a BAD job, they just could do MUCH better, service wise especially.

I wonder if bro Storm88 can check the distributor about prices of the GE40-20C battery.

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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 30 2013, 03:48 AM)
He put ssd maa
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well sorry to say, ssd no affect the gaming graphics and graphics score in Windows Experience Index ,only affect is Primary Hard Disk score.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 30 2013, 09:40 AM)
So much for a GAMING LAPTOP brand. If they were a bit more proactive (offering upgrades, proper support for self mods, selling optional parts) they could really make a killing - us "gamers" like to modify and tweak stuff and often have loose financial control too boot.

Like this they're still quite a while away from being a good "gaming" oriented brand. They really need to understand that in the long run, selling just a "product" isn't as profitable as selling the "experience". 

My queries for spare batteries are still not addressed by MSI careline... mad.gif

I mean it's not that they're doing a BAD job, they just could do MUCH better, service wise especially.

I wonder if bro Storm88 can check the distributor about prices of the GE40-20C battery.
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Agreed.

MSI makes great gaming products, but also needs to stand by them. All the SC is worried about is CID (Customer Induced Damages), and yet they offer no help except by re-directing to the retailer. They should change SC to ROC (Repair Only Center), just to at least avoid confusion among customers, whom requires "authorized" help.
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QUOTE(Shiroi14 @ Aug 30 2013, 11:04 AM)
well sorry to say, ssd no affect the gaming graphics and graphics score in Windows Experience Index ,only affect is Primary Hard Disk  score.
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Oh yeah. But I thought his data read and write score index increased.
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QUOTE(Shiroi14 @ Aug 30 2013, 02:21 AM)
how did u get 7.9  score for graphics and gaming graphics  in Windows Experience Index
My only get 7.2 score when 1st time receive my laptop
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Aiyakkk I didn't read that clearly. doh.gif
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jus back from outstation, today will continue update the thread after i settle hilly stacked work ya biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Aug 30 2013, 11:15 AM)
Agreed.

MSI makes great gaming products, but also needs to stand by them. All the SC is worried about is CID (Customer Induced Damages), and yet they offer no help except by re-directing to the retailer. They should change SC to ROC (Repair Only Center), just to at least avoid confusion among customers, whom requires "authorized" help.
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I'd like to think that it's simply because they're new to the market, and isn't even a major player yet (people around me are like "What blardy China brand laptop are you using?").

But they aren't doing themselves any favors by not focusing (AT ALL) on CSR to build customer loyalty, something I think is CRUCIAL for an "underdog" company.

I mean, hiring JUST ONE GUY to spend a few hours IN THIS THREAD as an OFFICIAL rep to allay customer fears would go A HELLA LONG way.

There IS that "MSI Malaysia" guy but he's more active in the Desktop parts thread.

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Yeah finally V2~! Please update me on the list ya.. Been waiting for so long sad.gif
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MSI too much focus on promote their product... and pay way too much model prostitute to model their product.... they care less about their service center ... or to who they give out their contract to 3rd party (authorized msi service service center in low yat as example...)
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 30 2013, 02:16 PM)
There IS that "MSI Malaysia" guy but he's more active in the Desktop parts thread.
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Well. MSI did started out making desktop components before notebooks.



QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 30 2013, 09:40 AM)
My queries for spare batteries are still not addressed by MSI careline... mad.gif



BTW, I contacted MSI earlier and got quote immediately for my spare battery. If possible, try contacting now, the girl on the line was quite helpful, but she does require your full S/N.

Just to whoever is interested :-

MSI GT60
- Spare battery - RM512
-SS Keyboard - RM588
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Aug 30 2013, 04:51 PM)
Well. MSI did started out making desktop components before notebooks.
BTW, I contacted MSI earlier and got quote immediately for my spare battery. If possible, try contacting now, the girl on the line was quite helpful, but she does require your full S/N.

Just to whoever is interested :-

MSI GT60                 
- Spare battery - RM512
-SS Keyboard  - RM588
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hmm rm512 for battery... wtf... GT60 same battery as GT70... rm588 ss keyboards... rip off price...
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QUOTE(Shiroi14 @ Aug 30 2013, 02:21 AM)
how did u get 7.9  score for graphics and gaming graphics  in Windows Experience Index
My only get 7.2 score when 1st time receive my laptop
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because I am special like ABC Special.... tongue.gif ....
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hmm rm512 for battery... wtf...  GT60 same battery as  GT70...  rm588 ss keyboards... rip off price...
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Dont shoot the messenger sweat.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Aug 30 2013, 05:34 PM)
Dont shoot the messenger  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 30 2013, 05:18 PM)
hmm rm512 for battery... wtf...  GT60 same battery as  GT70...  rm588 ss keyboards... rip off price...
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Wtf, I rather get a powerbank and Huntkey car charger for that battery andget razer blackwidow ultimate for that price!
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GS70 reporting in before getting the GS70. 16GB ram, 128 SSD + 750GB HDD. arctic MX4 thermal paste still under working progress
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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Aug 28 2013, 02:29 PM)
New thread finally, Hope the new TS will be more active to update this thread
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yo when you gonna buy MSI Notebook join MSI Dragon army ? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 30 2013, 06:23 PM)
because I am special like ABC Special.... tongue.gif  ....
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lol i already know what happen , i running a Intel HD graphic 4600 for testing the WEI score
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 30 2013, 06:18 PM)
GS70 reporting in before getting the GS70. 16GB ram, 128 SSD + 750GB HDD. arctic MX4 thermal paste still under working progress
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Bro, can pm me the price and seller? Thanks
Are you going to install the ram by yourself?
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QUOTE(arcaloveher @ Aug 30 2013, 08:08 PM)
Bro, can pm me the price and seller? Thanks
Are you going to install the ram by yourself?
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smile.gif here seller... wisth ssd RM5,399

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or you get less with mr.storm88 his the threads creator/seller MSI/Illegear... he sell RM5100+ with ssd
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QUOTE(Shiroi14 @ Aug 30 2013, 07:47 PM)
lol i already know what happen , i running a Intel HD graphic 4600 for testing the WEI score
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i actually mod the ini file of wei to use my Discrete gpu instead intel HD4600 blush.gif
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QUOTE(arcaloveher @ Aug 30 2013, 08:08 PM)
Bro, can pm me the price and seller? Thanks
Are you going to install the ram by yourself?
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Yo bro.I got it thru storm88. You should check with him :-) No he installs the ram
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 30 2013, 09:15 PM)
i actually mod the ini file of wei to use my Discrete gpu instead intel HD4600 blush.gif
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how did u mod the ini file to use Discrete gpu ?
some people say need to change from the BIOS settings
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any mod bios on msi will void the warranty...
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how to reformat windows and reinstall all these bloatwares ya? What should I backup before performing a clean install?
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Because I'm having trouble running the Creative Sound Blaster Cinema, Super Charger and Battery Calibration.
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 31 2013, 11:42 AM)
Because I'm having trouble running the Creative Sound Blaster Cinema, Super Charger and Battery Calibration.
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I just go in reverse - I unbloat the stock install and clean the registry myself rather than start fresh.

So I dun know how to help you bro.

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What's the problem you are facing dinraxxx? You want clean install but want with all the msi apps? Why don't you try refresh installation or recovery (f3) function?
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QUOTE(Cimo @ Aug 31 2013, 11:47 AM)
What's the problem you are facing dinraxxx? You want clean install but want with all the msi apps? Why don't you try refresh installation or recovery (f3) function?
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That's the bloated one lol. Comes with all the shiat as well (McAfee crap mainly).

Seriously people, bundle laptops with Kaspersky/Nod32/Bitdefender please.
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If the question is about doing clean reinstall, then you will just need to get a win8 oem installer and google on how to install it from USB drive.
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come now... without bloatwarez.. our MSI price be abit more expensive... and in near future i could see all our notebook come built-in advertisement... imagine start computer McDonald or KFC logo on side..
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I might try the F3 hotkey button.Well I installed MSata on my GS70. But then when running the Super Charger and Sound Blaster Cinema app, it says it can't detect my MSI mainboard for Super Charger and audio source for the SB.The audio played on my laptop is kinda slow lol.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 11:57 AM)
come now... without bloatwarez.. our MSI price be abit more expensive... and in near future i could see all our notebook come built-in advertisement... imagine start computer McDonald or KFC  logo on side..
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You lapar KFC n McD kan? Go order la.No nid to talk chicken and burger here tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 31 2013, 12:42 PM)
Because I'm having trouble running the Creative Sound Blaster Cinema, Super Charger and Battery Calibration.
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some people tend to not using those apps so i didnt install them in the first place. sorry ya
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Aug 28 2013, 11:54 AM)
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hello,

is a standard low volt 1.35vCL11 8 GB ram..

hiyoo..
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 31 2013, 01:35 PM)
You lapar KFC n McD kan? Go order la.No nid to talk chicken and burger here tongue.gif
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biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

but true bloatware in the notebook pay msi to have their software install... smile.gif but msi only see minimal bloatware.. if Acer i think it have a lot bloatware

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 02:47 PM)
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hello,

is a standard low volt 1.35vCL11 8 GB ram..

hiyoo..
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RM250 for a normal CL11 1.35V dimm, u kena chop ady rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Aug 31 2013, 02:02 PM)
RM250 for a normal CL11 1.35V dimm, u kena chop ady rclxub.gif
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i know la... but what to do... i walk ask 10+ shop looking DDR3 low volt ram 8 GB nobody have... you sell RM215 is soooo gooood price.... but too bad no stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH!

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in low yat... no got just that jacky guy sell... 250 to much i know but what to do

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 03:08 PM)
i know la...  but what to do...  i walk ask 10+ shop looking DDR3 low volt ram 8 GB nobody have...  you sell RM215 is soooo gooood price....  but too bad no stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH!
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sorry lo. i just used up the last unit i got

attached picture is the one i normally use:
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even the ram box look sexy... lol
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 02:13 PM)
even the ram box look sexy... lol
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Sorry to say I bought that ram. Hehehe
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btw, just to share some info

I am about to finish up review on GX60- 3BE. I think, if the ram on the laptop is better, it'll be most value gaming laptop in less than 4.5K range...
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Aug 31 2013, 05:33 PM)
btw, just to share some info

I am about to finish up review on GX60- 3BE. I think, if the ram on the laptop is better, it'll be most value gaming laptop in less than 4.5K range...
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yes i hear rumor amd APU support 1866Mhz DDR3... to bad GX60/70 got only 2 dimms slot.... so max 16GB... hmm
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 31 2013, 05:24 PM)
Sorry to say I bought that ram. Hehehe
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wow so how big is your RAM now?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 06:39 PM)
yes i hear rumor  amd APU support 1866Mhz DDR3... to bad GX60/70 got only 2 dimms slot.... so max 16GB... hmm
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i am using IT to online now. By default spec, the laptop is S.U.C.K.S big

but after add in rams, story has gone into PART II already. shocking.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Aug 31 2013, 05:47 PM)
i am using IT to online now. By default spec, the laptop is S.U.C.K.S big

but after add in rams, story has gone into PART II already. shocking.gif
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what you mean PART II? better/improve?... well it explain when ddr ram is single, the performance drop and not utilize the double data rate... but i hear AMD APU only cpu that fully support 1866Mhz ram... so performance ram built for AMD apu but sadly... i cannot justified my words..
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wow so how big is your RAM now?
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16 gig je bro.
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Aug 31 2013, 07:19 PM)
16 gig je bro.
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smile.gif good upgrade broo
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Running 16GB myself - max for the GE40 unfortunately. Buuuut really, I don't think I have ANYTHING that can use that 16GB fully anyway lol.

@dinraxxx: Are you running Win 8 or 7 bro? I had no troubles UN-installing and RE-installing SB Cinema on my Win 8 install. Just keep in mind it does NOTHING to make the volume louder. Clearer and sounds a bit better, yes.

As for supercharger... well... all it does is amp up that SINGLE 2.0 USB to something around 1A for charging stuff like iPads... IINM.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 31 2013, 07:00 PM)
what you mean PART II? better/improve?... well it explain when ddr ram is single, the performance drop and not utilize the double data rate...  but i hear AMD APU only cpu that fully support 1866Mhz ram... so performance ram built for  AMD apu but sadly... i cannot justified my words..
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will tell when my review is completed smile.gif
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Ughh. talking about rams, finding LoVo is freaking hard. rclxub.gif
Its either no stock or rm250 for 1 friggin 8gb stick. Btw Eiraku, got quote for your spare battery? GT model spare battery equivalent to 16gb Lovo rams doh.gif
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Estimate price RM480~RM500 for 1 set (2 x 8G).

p/s: CL9

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hm ppl say 16gb is enough... but if your system have 4 dimm slot... h e ll yes! you sure will fill that slot... max huhui... but i am using Standard CL11 low volt RAM if it mix with performance ram e.g. Ballistix sport ram will it use CL9 or CL11 ? as overall?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 31 2013, 09:54 PM)
Running 16GB myself - max for the GE40 unfortunately. Buuuut really, I don't think I have ANYTHING that can use that 16GB fully anyway lol.

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wait until you make a ramdisk with it. when I am not doing vm's I always make a 16gb ramdisk for my other work (out of my 32gb in a g55). you point most if not all the temp folders, web cache to it and you will feel the difference smile.gif (it's good for machines with ssd's)

.. if only there is a 16gb stick now.. :/
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Estimate price RM480~RM500 for 1 set (2 x 8G).

p/s: CL9
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Aiyaaaa..... :-(
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 1 2013, 12:09 AM)
.. if only there is a 16gb stick now.. :/
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well is not new news... but rumor is Samsung have it... need to go there purchase it... (south Korea) as it not allow to export it yet...

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http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-16gb-ddr3...-ships-1938155/

here follow up
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/24799/samsun...2014/index.html

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well is not new news... but rumor is Samsung have it... need to go there purchase it... (south Korea) as it not allow to export it yet...

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http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-16gb-ddr3...-ships-1938155/

here follow up
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/24799/samsun...2014/index.html
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uh? that's for servers. there is no 16gb stick for laptops in the market yet.
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uh? that's for servers. there is no 16gb stick for laptops in the market yet.
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And THEN there's the problem of finding motherboards that support it. Not sure if my GE40 CAN run more than 16 to begin with.

@Storm88: Those SODIMMs look mighty tempting. Later arrive review quick quick.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 1 2013, 02:53 AM)
And THEN there's the problem of finding motherboards that support it. Not sure if my GE40 CAN run more than 16 to begin with.

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intel's sandy and ivy bridge by right can support up to 32gb. for the previous asus g-series with sandy bridge (which was supposed to support only a maximum of 16gb officially), a friend is running 32gb rams with it (4x8gb). however like you said, really not sure if it can be done :/
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i did fresh install Win 8 Pro on mine. No problem on those software at all
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 31 2013, 09:54 PM)
Running 16GB myself - max for the GE40 unfortunately. Buuuut really, I don't think I have ANYTHING that can use that 16GB fully anyway lol.

@dinraxxx: Are you running Win 8 or 7 bro? I had no troubles UN-installing and RE-installing SB Cinema on my Win 8 install. Just keep in mind it does NOTHING to make the volume louder. Clearer and sounds a bit better, yes.

As for supercharger... well... all it does is amp up that SINGLE 2.0 USB to something around 1A for charging stuff like iPads... IINM.
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Win 8 of cos tongue.gif but the problem settles.Really enjoying this laptop so much thanks to you guys for poisoning. Feels really light and not too heavy too tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 1 2013, 12:38 PM)
Win 8 of cos tongue.gif but the problem settles.Really enjoying this laptop so much thanks to you guys for poisoning. Feels really light and not too heavy too tongue.gif
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I very jelly bro. Very very jelly.

Even if 17 inches is a bit out of my requirements.

Looking forward for MSI's laptop for Maxwell and beyond. Shitty consumer relations aside, I'm really digging their current push towards thin and powerful.

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Yum yum smile.gif

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btw can anyone explain why I can't install the latest Nvidia 320.49 driver?
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 2 2013, 02:25 AM)
Yum yum smile.gif

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same here !, cant seem to install the latest driver from nvidia...
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I managed to install the latest beta driver from nvidia using nvidia's updater. I'm not sure what version was that.
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 2 2013, 02:25 AM)
Yum yum smile.gif

btw can anyone explain why I can't install the latest Nvidia 320.49 driver?
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Because to Nvidia, we don't actually exist. Nvidia expects the VENDOR (MSI) to update drivers up to whatever is "current". This has ALWAYS been an issue with mobile GPU drivers, especially the ones that are not "top-range" (like the 770 and 780).

Sometimes you get lucky though, like cimo. Unfortunately Nvidia treats the 760 and the 765 like unwanted b'tard children and it's not gonna be that easy for us.

Buuuuuuuut, with a few tweaks you can "circumvent" this issue. Google "laptopvideo2go" and "Nvidia inf modding" and you're good to go - I'm already running 320.49, but I had to jump through a few hoops to get there.

With INF modding you can install ANY driver you want, but note that you'll also have to disable "driver signature enforcement" in Windows for it to work.

Plus, if you're installing beta drivers, it might not work at all.

Later when Nvidia releases the LAST stable 321 driver, I'll go up to that. Bleeding edge performance isn't worth the glitches and bugs.

@zaicon: I didn't pursue the quotation, but from the GT60's battery price, we can infer that the GE40 battery will cost around 500++. Not really worth it as a spare considering the GE40 has very good battery life anyway.

But we can't really blame MSI. That (500++) was the price of my old XPS M1210 battery as well.

As for laptop coolers, it depends. I'm currently running both the U2 Plus and the X-Lite II. The U2P is good because it's solid aluminium and the fans are configurable/replaceable. I'm already running 3x fans on my U2P (with an extra U1 fan I bought in LYP) and I know I can just buy new ones when it dies.

But the U2P doesn't have a built in hub like the X-Lite (or the Evo) and it's GIGANTIC for it's size (it fits the GE40 just nice, but it's not slim). Plus the huge single fan on the X-Lite seems to blow more air volume than even my 3x U2P setup.

BTW, the U3/U3 Plus is for 15-17 inchers ler. It would be EVEN MORE GIGANTIC than the already very thick ass U2 Plus, but if you like extra space on your cooler (the U2 Plus is a perfect fit, not much extra space) and 3 fans out of the box + fan speed controller, why not.

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hello,

here link teach you how mod inf your latest driver to work on your note book

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how to mod nvidia driver

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here beta should work but you may risk damage GPU 326.41 beta
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 2 2013, 09:47 AM)
Because to Nvidia, we don't actually exist. Nvidia expects the VENDOR (MSI) to update drivers up to whatever is "current". This has ALWAYS been an issue with mobile GPU drivers, especially the ones that are not "top-range" (like the 770 and 780).

Sometimes you get lucky though, like cimo. Unfortunately Nvidia treats the 760 and the 765 like unwanted b'tard children and it's not gonna be that easy for us. 

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hmm sound like MSI is bad.. lols they hired or invest more on marketing and advertisement department, rather then focus on latest driver update(msi should mod the driver)...
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the backlight keyboard of MSI gs 70 looks dim ....not as shape as expected
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QUOTE(devour @ Sep 2 2013, 12:48 PM)
the backlight keyboard of MSI gs 70 looks dim ....not as shape as expected
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oo my.. did u try to fn+bright it up? which model?

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my GT70 SteelSeries backlight is excellent in low-light condition but cannot see it if outside.. smile.gif

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hmm  sound like MSI  is bad.. lols  they hired or invest more on marketing and advertisement department, rather then focus on latest driver update(msi should mod the driver)...
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Lol. MOST vendors are like that la. Lenovo, Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Acer etc... Most of them prefer to wait until a driver is CONFIRMED stable before they'll commit to vendor driver upgrade. Otherwise the number of people coming in for "warranty claims" due to driver BSODs will increase rapidly.

In this case it's not really MSI's fault. It's a very common thing. Hence the wide spread of INF modding.

I mean, if you care enough to want "updated" GPU drivers, you'll probably have the skills to mod your own drivers (and take your own responsibility if sheet happens) anyway, amarite?

But being a "Gaming" oriented brand nowadays, they should have worked with Nvidia to at least make all the driver updates compatible with their laptops straight without modding (or updated their drivers more frequently, like you said). That would have helped them win a whole lot more brownie points amongst gamers.

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heya guys, new GS-70 user lipoting in!
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heya guys, new GS-70 user lipoting in!
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Welkam Welkam!

How's your new baby so far? Start gaming yet?
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Welkam Welkam!

How's your new baby so far? Start gaming yet?
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tqtq! biggrin.gif

just got it yesterday so I only loaded it up with my work-related stuff. Haven't downloaded all the games to start playing yet..

The speakers look like they need bigger, external ones though
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 2 2013, 03:42 PM)
Lol. MOST vendors are like that la. Lenovo, Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Acer etc... Most of them prefer to wait until a driver is CONFIRMED stable before they'll commit to vendor driver upgrade. Otherwise the number of people coming in for "warranty claims" due to driver BSODs will increase rapidly.

In this case it's not really MSI's fault. It's a very common thing. Hence the wide spread of INF modding. 

I mean, if you care enough to want "updated" GPU drivers, you'll probably have the skills to mod your own drivers (and take your own responsibility if sheet happens) anyway, amarite?

But being a "Gaming" oriented brand nowadays, they should have worked with Nvidia to at least make all the driver updates compatible with their laptops straight without modding (or updated their drivers more frequently, like you said). That would have helped them win a whole lot more brownie points amongst gamers.
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well i guess i agree with your comment cause you reply me what i want to answer ... lolz
" But being a "Gaming" oriented brand nowadays, they should have worked with Nvidia to at least make all the driver updates compatible with their laptops straight without modding (or updated their drivers more frequently, like you said). That would have helped them win a whole lot more brownie points amongst gamers."

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QUOTE(incubus_skj @ Sep 2 2013, 04:27 PM)
tqtq!  biggrin.gif

just got it yesterday so I only loaded it up with my work-related stuff. Haven't downloaded all the games to start playing yet..

The speakers look like they need bigger, external ones though
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hmm that why i got GT70... smile.gif but GS 70 is slim monster!
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QUOTE(incubus_skj @ Sep 2 2013, 04:27 PM)
tqtq!  biggrin.gif

just got it yesterday so I only loaded it up with my work-related stuff. Haven't downloaded all the games to start playing yet..

The speakers look like they need bigger, external ones though
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I gave up on laptop speakers long ago, even if the GT60/70 seems to have a good set. And the GS70 comes with a woofer right?

For speakers, if you wanna keep it portable why not get foldable headphones. The Koss PortaPro is what I'm using while on the move - it's small, cheap, (relatively) comfy and sounds really good (good enough to give my "gaming" Logitech G230 a good ass whopping any day lol).

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It's also collapsible into a tiny bundle that my I can easily throw into my laptop bag. Plus, if you take care of it it'll last forever lol.

The Sennheiser PX200 is another choice for a good sounding foldable portable but it's slightly more exp.

Just a thought.

PS. Koss really ought to come up with a "gaming" headset version of the PortaPro. Really.

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Because to Nvidia, we don't actually exist. Nvidia expects the VENDOR (MSI) to update drivers up to whatever is "current". This has ALWAYS been an issue with mobile GPU drivers, especially the ones that are not "top-range" (like the 770 and 780).

Sometimes you get lucky though, like cimo. Unfortunately Nvidia treats the 760 and the 765 like unwanted b'tard children and it's not gonna be that easy for us. 

Buuuuuuuut, with a few tweaks you can "circumvent" this issue. Google "laptopvideo2go" and "Nvidia inf modding" and you're good to go - I'm already running 320.49, but I had to jump through a few hoops to get there.

With INF modding you can install ANY driver you want, but note that you'll also have to disable "driver signature enforcement" in Windows for it to work.

Plus, if you're installing beta drivers, it might not work at all. 

Later when Nvidia releases the LAST stable 321 driver, I'll go up to that. Bleeding edge performance isn't worth the glitches and bugs. 

@zaicon: I didn't pursue the quotation, but from the GT60's battery price, we can infer that the GE40 battery will cost around 500++. Not really worth it as a spare considering the GE40 has very good battery life anyway.

But we can't really blame MSI. That (500++) was the price of my old XPS M1210 battery as well.

As for laptop coolers, it depends. I'm currently running both the U2 Plus and the X-Lite II. The U2P is good because it's solid aluminium and the fans are configurable/replaceable. I'm already running 3x fans on my U2P (with an extra U1 fan I bought in LYP) and I know I can just buy new ones when it dies.

But the U2P doesn't have a built in hub like the X-Lite (or the Evo) and it's GIGANTIC for it's size (it fits the GE40 just nice, but it's not slim). Plus the huge single fan on the X-Lite seems to blow more air volume than even my 3x U2P setup.

BTW, the U3/U3 Plus is for 15-17 inchers ler. It would be EVEN MORE GIGANTIC than the already very thick ass U2 Plus, but if you like extra space on your cooler (the U2 Plus is a perfect fit, not much extra space) and 3 fans out of the box + fan speed controller, why not.
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Oh okay. i guess all notebooks have crazy battery prices.

Regarding coolers, I think you and I are not on the same page. The X-lite is not the Infinite Evo. The Evo has small fans on each side, a center recess for air ventilation, and 3 usb hubs.Unfortunately I do not know how to post images tongue.gif
But I do agree on the U2/U3. It's aluminium,light, with adjustable fans, and more thorough ventilation thanks to holes underneath it.But the Evo looks promising, and very,very solid. And I believe I did mention the usb hubs haha.
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Oh okay. i guess all notebooks have crazy battery prices.

Regarding coolers, I think you and I are not on the same page. The X-lite is not the Infinite Evo. The Evo has small fans on each side, a center recess for air ventilation, and 3 usb hubs.Unfortunately I do not know how to post images tongue.gif
But I do agree on the U2/U3. It's aluminium,light, with adjustable fans and more thorough ventilation thanks to holes underneath it.But the Evo looks promising, and very solid. And I believe I did mention the usb hubs haha.
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Nah I know what you were saying regarding the InEvo, it's this one right?

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I was just relating with what I have (the X-Lite). The InEvo is the same as the X-Lite in the sense that the fans (or in the InEvo's case, the vents) are built-in and stuck there where it's built. Oh, and that it has a hub as well.

Our GE40 air intakes are mostly located towards the front of the bottom. The InEvo fans are built more to the back and pushes air out the middle and towards the back. Unfortunately, our air intakes are a bit more forward than the InEvo air vents (and split slightly to the sides), so I don't think it's optimal for the GE40, as far as airflow is concerned.

Unless, of course, you push the GE40 wayyyyy back. But even than the InEvo vents will not cover the GE40 air intakes properly.

The X-lite (or any of the other "big-single-fan" designs) might work better as they spread the air volume equally towards the entire bottom. But, like I said before, the primary issue with built-in fans is that if they die (the InEvo fans included) you'll have to go trash it or go for warranty replacement already.

In this scenario, I'd say get a U3/U3 Plus, simply because you can adjust and move the fans around to fit ANY laptop you have and will buy in the future, plus the fans themselves are replaceable (or if need be, you can simply built new fans from scratch).

Unless, of course, you really need the USB hub (which the U3 does not have), or really like the look of the InEvo.

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? i use cheap 17 inch cooler... cost me RM30 lol i got 27-30C light apps/idle... most important is room temperature...
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? i use cheap 17 inch cooler... cost me RM30 lol  i got 27-30C light apps/idle... most important is room temperature...
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Well, the U2 Plus is RM60+ (not sure how much the U3 is) but it will potentially last forever with minimal cost if you care to replace the fans once in a while (after the ori fans have died) with your own cheap DIY desktop cooler fans (say, RM5 + a few minutes of wiring so that it'll run from USB).

If you don't care about the fans than even better. It should readily outlast ANY laptop with zero maintenance (it's just a metal tray with holes lol).

Plus it doubles as a metal tray case to carry your laptop around and protect it.

The design is ingenious really. A shame there's no cheap OEM pirate of it yet.

As for room temps, well, I don't have aircond so I'll have to take all the airflow I can get from my coolers.

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Well, the U2 Plus is RM60+ (not sure how much the U3 is) but it will potentially last forever with minimal cost if you care to replace the fans once in a while (after the ori fans have died) with your own cheap DIY desktop cooler fans (say, RM5 + a few minutes of wiring so that it'll run from USB).

If you don't care about the fans than even better. It should readily outlast ANY laptop with zero maintenance (it's just a metal tray with holes lol).

Plus it doubles as a metal tray case to carry your laptop around and protect it.

The design is ingenious really. A shame there's no cheap OEM pirate of it yet.

As for room temps, well, I don't have aircond so I'll have to take all the airflow I can get from my coolers.
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smile.gif  may i interest u in Asus ROG Vulcan ANC HEADPHONE ..RM200  this price while i am still in KL...  biggrin.gif
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I already got my Logitech ler. And my old PortaPro.

Don't poison me summore dude.

Later I stress I do this:

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Die hard fans!

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hahaa i almost want to buy this i think is RM45 in top floor IT shop smile.gif ... but later feel better get cheap cause im too broke...
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Nah I know what you were saying regarding the InEvo, it's this one right?

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Yup. This one looks friggin' cool.



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Zomg those fansssssss !! Looks like U2/U3 earning some lead in my list.
THENNNN, someone showed me the deepcool M6. Now i more pening doh.gif
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Yup. This one looks friggin' cool.

Zomg those fansssssss !! Looks like U2/U3 earning some lead in my list.

THENNNN, someone showed me the deepcool M6. Now i more pening doh.gif
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I googled. Holy shiat. A cooler + 2.1 speakers? Nothing good will come out of this.

Really, it does look cool but speakers? I'm thinking a normal cooler + cheap edifier/sonic gear speakers will do a helluva better job.

Buuuuuuut, that's just me. In the end the GE40 gets hot anyway if you're not in an air conditioned environment so WTH, get something you like lar.

Personally my vote for cheap good cooler goes to the X-Lite II at RM50. It works tremendously well + USB hub and it's damn thin to boot.

If you plan to play around with an extreme number of fans any time in the future, of course the U2/U3 Plus. You can even get a couple of the biggest desktop cooling fans you can find, zip tie them to the U2, cobble up a USB power connection and see if you need any more air lol.

The Deep Cool multicore series also seems not bad. 4 fans in the X6/X8/X4, but I'm not really sure of DC's long term reliability because I don't really stray far from Coolermaster for my cooling pads.

But like I said, get something that you like. As long as it doesn't cool the WRONG part of the bottom it'll be fine.

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I googled. Holy shiat. A cooler + 2.1 speakers? Nothing good will come out of this.

Really, it does look cool but speakers? I'm thinking a normal cooler + cheap edifier/sonic gear speakers will do a helluva better job.

Buuuuuuut, that's just me. In the end the GE40 gets hot anyway if you're not in an air conditioned environment so WTH, get something you like lar.

Personally my vote for cheap good cooler goes to the X-Lite II at RM50. It works tremendously well + USB hub and it's damn thin to boot.

If you plan to play around with an extreme number of fans any time in the future, of course the U2/U3 Plus. You can even get a couple of the biggest desktop cooling fans you can find, zip tie them to the U2, cobble up a USB power connection and see if you need any more air lol.

The Deep Cool multicore series also seems not bad. 4 fans in the X6/X8/X4, but I'm not really sure of DC's long term reliability because I don't really stray far from Coolermaster for my cooling pads.
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The M6 definitely looks amazing. It is shaped like the Asus G series notebook with side speaker vents(IMO). but sadly, local price is at rm150.
Looks like tomorrow I'm hunting for U3, and probably get hands on the X-lite wile I'm at it. Thnx.

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The M6 definitely looks amazing. It is shaped like the Asus G series notebook with side speaker vents(IMO). but sadly, local price is at rm150.
Looks like tomorrow I'm hunting for U3, and probably get hands on the X-lite wile I'm at it. Thnx.
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Have fun hunting. Oh and if you're going LYP, check out Thundermatch on the top floor, they sell extra U1 fans (single fan) and those REALLY push air, even better than the stock U2 double fans at least. Plus they clip on perfectly in the U2/U3.

That's the config I'm using, 1x U1 fan for the GPU vent (which REALLY needs air) and 1x Twin U2 fans for the HDD vent.

It still gets hot anyway though lol. I wonder how far we are from refrigerator coil equipped laptop coolers.

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Have fun hunting. Oh and if you're going LYP, check out Thundermatch on the top floor, they sell extra U1 fans (single fan) and those REALLY push air, even better than the stock U2 double fans at least. Plus they clip on perfectly in the U2/U3.

That's the config I'm using, 1x U1 fan for the GPU vent (which REALLY needs air) and 1x Twin U2 fans for the HDD vent.

It still gets hot anyway though lol. I wonder how far we are from refrigerator coil equipped laptop coolers.
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Noted.

Refrigerator coil equipped laptop coolers? They will probably use dry ice as ultimatum laugh.gif
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On previous question regarding nvidia driver, I'm currently running version 326.80. No mod needed. Just installed it directly from nvidia geforce experience utility.

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On previous question regarding nvidia driver, I'm currently running version 326.80. No mod needed. Just installed it directly from nvidia geforce experience utility.
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have you check gpu-z temperature gpu and test it with intensive game? e.g. Crysis3

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I don't have Crysis 3, but do have BF3.

My gpu-z screenshot as follows:

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Agreed.

MSI makes great gaming products, but also needs to stand by them. All the SC is worried about is CID (Customer Induced Damages), and yet they offer no help except by re-directing to the retailer. They should change SC to ROC (Repair Only Center), just to at least avoid confusion among customers, whom requires "authorized" help.
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Sad thing is when detect Saints Row IV, the graphics preset is low. Damn...
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you mean the auto detect gpu performance game ? i think is normal... after i install game then choose detect gpu it always set on low setting, so you cn set it to medium so on.. smile.gif i have GTX 780m all my game auto been set on low.. then i just bump it to HIGH... i rarely play on Very high or ultra... just create/unnecessary heat/stress on gpu... smile.gif
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can the crucial M500 960GB ssd fit in GS70? hmm.gif
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Wow... 960GB! It's in normal 2.5 inch form factor right?
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Wow... 960GB! It's in normal 2.5 inch form factor right?
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Yep. Darned huge SSD.

I'm all for a smaller, faster SSD + huge HDD combo though - I just can't justify sinking money into one HUGE SSD.

Do we have 3TB 2.5 HDDs yet?

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yes all crucial m4/ m5 fit all 2.5 inch notebook... NO there no 3TB 2.5inc hdd...
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cheapest Crucial M500 960GB RM 1795 ssd m500

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was thinking to get m500 960GB but at end go for CPU upgrade... smile.gif
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I was wondering to get either this or get the Samsung 840 Evo, but to think again, I think the 840 512GB evo is nicer. faster.
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I was wondering to get either this or get the Samsung 840 Evo, but to think again, I think the 840 512GB evo is nicer. faster.
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Well, it's back to the age old question: Space or speed?

I'm all for the M500 myself as it supports Haswell devsleep for lower power consumption at idle AND because it uses MLC. I like Samsung (quality stuff, good prices and speed) but I have a great distrust towards TLC for long term durability.

I mean, I personally change laptops (and major parts) like once every 5 years, well over the general TLC MTF consensus (3-4 years approx).

Sure, you can get unlucky with even an SLC SSD (or a HDD for that matter) and have it die on you in a month but that's just luck and chance.

In the end though, as long as it's not SandFarce based you'll be okay. As much as I distrust TLC, I flat out have zero confidence in SandFarce controllers after all that hoo haa a while back.

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samsung 840 evo 1TB cost about RM2.1-2.3K, Crucial M5 960GB RM 1.8K ... i go for space / value.... while both is SSD...
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SandFarce


Mind explaining what was up with the SandForce controllers back then?
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sandforce use to have firmware update issues but it was fix... with firmware update... hmm
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sandforce use to have firmware update issues but it was fix... with firmware update... hmm
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Oh, they've had a few others too. TRIM issues, especially with incompressible data... SATA sleep/reconnection issues leading to full on SSD failures... Broken 256-bit AES encryption... Forced proprietary encryption that destroys all hopes of data recovery after catastrophic SSD failures. Stuff like that.

See here for details:
http://bit.ly/17Ijsaz
http://bit.ly/17ImUlF
http://bit.ly/1ea88oA

"Firmware update issues" make it sound so trivial. Unfortunately I really don't think inherent design issues with the controller chips themselves can be fixed much with "firmware updates" in the long run. They can delay the problems from coming up, but the inevitable will happen regardless.

Sure, they MIGHT have fixed things with "new" chips by now ("might" being the operative word here: some of the issues up top are still happening), but personally I'm not gonna play Russian Roulette with my data, especially not when it's going to be my primary laptop's primary storage drive.  

Sooooo I'm sticking to Crucial/Plextor for the time being, or at least NOT anyone using SandFarce controllers (Intel/OCZ/Kingston/Corsair) OR TLC chips (Samsung low-end).

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Oh, they've had a few issues. TRIM issues, especially with incompressible data...  SATA sleep/reconnection issues leading to full on SSD failures... Broken 256-bit AES encryption... Forced proprietary encryption that destroys all hopes of data recovery after catastrophic SSD failures. Stuff like that.

See here for details:
http://bit.ly/17Ijsaz
http://bit.ly/17ImUlF

"Firmware update issues" make it sound so trivial. Unfortunately I really don't think inherent design issues with the controller chips themselves can be fixed much with "firmware updates" in the long run. They can delay the problems from coming up, but the inevitable will happen regardless.

And we already know Vertex have had issues with dying SSDs as well. Guess what control chips they're using?

I'm a reliability guy, hence sticking to Crucial/Plextor for now, or at least anybody NOT using SandFarce controllers OR TLC chips.
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Yeah.. firmware is important to ssd's. sandforce has the advantage to reduce production costs (there is no need for ram in the products, and ram is expensive), thus making them more affordable. The damage caused by previous sandforce chips was kind of ireversible, especially to its reputation (and those brands that used it), even if the recent versions were reported to be much improved. Intel is the only one that implemented it right (it has the access to optimize the codes far better than others)

Afaik, the two common chips in use in most ssd's are still sandforce and marvell.

Not all vertex are bad. Vertex 3 used sandforce, but vertex 4 uses rebranded marvell chip (and its not bad). plextor uses marvell. Sandisk switched to marvell too.

Samsung uses its own chips.

As for tlc vs. mlc, i prefer mlc also. However, tlc with appropriate technologies is getting better. It is likely to replace mlc in consumer grade ssd's in the future.

As of now, imo it's better to get those with a marvel/samsung chip and mlc flash. So far, plextor and samsung drives never let me down (from msata to 2.5" form factors)

For crucial m500, well, i feel safer when a manufacturer provides its own secure erase tool (some tried to use third party secure erase tools but that ended up rma of their m500). M500 lacks of certain features that allow proper secure erase.
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ah SanDisk anyone? cheap reliable smile.gif lols
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Yeah.. firmware is important to ssd's. sandforce has the advantage to reduce production costs (there is no need for ram in the products, and ram is expensive), thus making them more affordable. The damage caused by previous sandforce chips was kind of ireversible, especially to its reputation (and those brands that used it), even if the recent versions were reported to be much improved. Intel is the only one that implemented it right (it has the access to optimize the codes far better than others)

Afaik, the two common chips in use in most ssd's are still sandforce and marvell.

Not all vertex are bad. Vertex 3 used sandforce, but vertex 4 uses rebranded marvell chip (and its not bad). plextor uses marvell. Sandisk switched to marvell too.

Samsung uses its own chips.

As for tlc vs. mlc, i prefer mlc also. However, tlc with appropriate technologies is getting better. It is likely to replace mlc in consumer grade ssd's in the future.

As of now, imo it's better to get those with a marvel/samsung chip and mlc flash. So far, plextor and samsung drives never let me down (from msata to 2.5" form factors)

For crucial m500, well, i feel safer when a manufacturer provides its own secure erase tool (some tried to use third party secure erase tools but that ended up rma of their m500). M500 lacks of certain features that allow proper secure erase.
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Okay, I'd agree that firmware plays an big role, but in the case of the older SandFarce chips, no amount of tweaking on the software level could help the fact that the hardware itself had inherent design flaws, especially when it comes to the SATA reconnection issues. Not sure about the newer chips though.

As for the M500, Crucial doesn't have first party secure erase tools available for ALL their SSDs? Or is it just for the M500?

From my readings the RMA issues stem with either bad batches of the drive or just some other one-off weird quirkiness. Parted Magic Secure Erase seems to work well for most with the M500 though. I've read nothing yet that suggests the M500 lacks "features" for proper secure erase, it's even advertised as part of the feature set.

The lack of first party Disk Management software is slightly worrying though - I understand the feeling of security using first party tools to do something as "destructive" as a full wipe.

I DO like Samsung SSDs, especially the fact that they're fast while remaining (very) energy-efficient. I just can't wrap my head around the (still) very low MTF numbers of TLC.

After all, my SSD will be the primary drive, with a lot of caching and stuff being done on it. Relocating my caches and other write/read-intensive tasks to my HDD (to save cycles) would generally be counter-productive as I got an SSD for the speed (in writing AND reading) to begin with.

Not being so big on "cutting-edge" myself, I'll probably just get a 240GB M4 - the M4 has good speeds, MLC AND good energy-efficiency in use. Plus the firmware should be mature and stable by now.

@K.E: It's not that Haswell doesn't support 1.5 or 1.65v RAM. 1.35v is just... better. It gets up and running faster, and sucks less power doing so.

For all it's worth I'm running mix of the stock 1.35v DDR3L (turns out the stock RAM really is lovol, wow MSI) and a cheapo 1.5v Kingston and it's not giving me much trouble - gaming and all. It's even running dual-channel with zero fuss.

Maybe later after I finish SSD'ing the GE40 I'll start worrying about getting matched RAM for it. Maybe something fancy with heat spreaders or something lol.

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QUOTE(K.E @ Sep 3 2013, 11:39 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif so mean msi gs 70 not supporting 1.5v or 1.65v XMP profile ram ? or all the 4th gen processor not support ?
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all 4th gen nowadays using only 1.35v ram. That's what I know upon my knowledge la.
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 4 2013, 12:44 AM)
all 4th gen nowadays using only 1.35v ram. That's what I know upon my knowledge la.
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It CAN use 1.5v with zero issues, even mixed. It's 1.65v that's more of an unknown IINM.
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Okay, I'd agree that firmware plays an big role, but in the case of the older SandFarce chips, no amount of tweaking on the software level could help the fact that the hardware itself had inherent design flaws, especially when it comes to the SATA reconnection issues. Not sure about the newer chips though.

As for the M500, Crucial doesn't have first party secure erase tools available for ALL their SSDs? Or is it just for the M500?

From my readings the RMA issues stem with either bad batches of the drive or just some other one-off weird quirkiness. Parted Magic Secure Erase seems to work well for most with the M500 though. I've read nothing yet that suggests the M500 lacks "features" for proper secure erase, it's even advertised as part of the feature set.

The lack of first party Disk Management software is slightly worrying though - I understand the feeling of security using first party tools to do something as "destructive" as a full wipe.

I DO like Samsung SSDs, especially the fact that they're fast while remaining (very) energy-efficient. I just can't wrap my head around the (still) very low MTF numbers of TLC.

After all, my SSD will be the primary drive, with a lot of caching and stuff being done on it. Relocating my caches and other write/read-intensive tasks to my HDD (to save cycles) would generally be counter-productive as I got an SSD for the speed (in writing AND reading) to begin with.

Not being so big on "cutting-edge" myself, I'll probably just get a 240GB M4 - the M4 has good speeds, MLC AND good energy-efficiency in use. Plus the firmware should be mature and stable by now.

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well, most manufacturers have problems with the older sandforce chips smile.gif

I read the issues of crucial m500 at http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Dr...her/td-p/132760 and http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?3...sd-crucial-m500

that's why I suggest the use of a 16gb ram disk for redirection of cache or temps.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 12:47 AM)
It CAN use 1.5v with zero issues, even mixed. It's 1.65v that's more of an unknown IINM.
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 4 2013, 01:05 AM)
I've read that too. But:

Countersauce (From Intel's own dev conference):

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Note all 3 voltage profiles being supported on the upper right side of the slide. However, keep in mind this might simply apply to the Haswell architecture in general, the Desktop side included.

More importantly, I've been hearing a lot of chatter that Haswell mobile ONLY pushes 1.35v to the RAM, which means that any 1.5/1.65v RAM stick used is simply "undervolted" down to 1.35v.

This is MUCH more plausible (vs the the "it can ONLY use 1.35v or thar be dragons!" theory) and it sufficiently explains why only SOME 1.5/1.65v RAMs cause certain Haswell laptops to be unbootable, as NOT all 1.5/1.65v RAM sticks can handle running at 1.35v at default timings.

In short, if the RAM used cannot run on 1.35v, the laptop will simply not boot. No matter what voltage RAM you stuff inside.

The plus side is that no harm should come to the laptop in this case, because the motherboard isn't really supplying RAM voltage out-of-spec. It's simply a question of whether or not your RAM will run with the given voltage. In the worse case, the RAM sticks in question will simply not work (or die off) due to lack of power.

Besides, there are ONLY 2 sites WARNING people of the dangers using anything over 1.35v with Haswell, on the ENTIRE Internet - and both of them forum posts. That has to count for something. If it'll really burn out stuff, you'd expect something like this to be ALL over the Internet, especially on "tech sites" like Anandtech and the like.

But no, zero, nada, zilch. Even the senior members at NBR are running 1.5v RAM on Haswell with little issue (HTWingNut on his W230ST for example). Even with 2133Mhz RAM (which is running at 1866Mhz max on his W230ST).

So it actually boils down to luck with any 1.5v (or even 1.65v) RAM sticks you plan to use. If it does 1.35v, you're fine. If not, well, tough luck.

Hence the "recommendation" to use DDR3L, which are simply RAM that WILL work for sure at 1.35v.

With that said, I'm fully planning to get another ADATA DDR3L stick anyway, or - like I said before - some fancy matched RAM set. It just feels better to run a matched pair in the end.

But FIRST, I gotta get me some SSD love.

@horns: Do you have to re-direct your cache and temps to the RAMdrive every time you cold boot? Because I don't run my laptop 24/7, and setting up startup batch commands for all that sounds like a real hassle.

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why i cant update my ge40 graphic driver to 320.49?
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why i cant update my ge40 graphic driver to 320.49?
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Because Nvidia doesn't really support the 76x series on laptops DIRECTLY (similar to a lot of their other laptop GPUs actually). They expect vendors (MSI/Clevo/Dell/Lenovo/Whoever) to come up with the drivers.

You need to mod the Nvidia driver ".inf" file if you STILL want to update. If you can't, don't bother updating unless you have a serious issue with any of the games you have.

I personally don't see THAT much improvement over stock 311 in the games I play anyway, at least not as much as actually optimising the settings for each game myself.

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@horns: Do you have to re-direct your cache and temps to the RAMdrive every time you cold boot? Because I don't run my laptop 24/7, and setting up startup batch commands for all that sounds like a real hassle.
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Uh? No. Its not that complicated anymore. There are many free ramdisk software now. Most of them are easy to set up, even for newbies.
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Uh? No. Its not that complicated anymore. There are many free ramdisk software now. Most of them are easy to set up, even for newbies.
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So you can set and forget? Meaning I take say 4GBs of RAM, turn it into disk for caching and temps, and the programs set everything up for me everytime I cold boot? Hmm, that's interesting indeed.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 08:49 AM)
So you can set and forget? Meaning I take say 4GBs of RAM, turn it into disk for caching and temps, and the programs set everything up for me everytime I cold boot? Hmm, that's interesting indeed.
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yes; you can set and forget smile.gif

that's what i do when i do a new install. try softperfect ramdisk; free, but it's one of the best; no limit on ramdisk size.

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i do my work in ram disk normally. i set the temporary folders, web cache (chrome, firefox, etc.) and download folder to the ramdisk (i am used to move things away from ram disk before shutdown). note that on every reboot, everything will be set up and start fresh, so you don't need to worry of any leftovers.

it's good to be used in laptops because we have battery (acting as ups). the only drawback might be bsod's. well, i never met one yet.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 4 2013, 09:13 AM)
yes; you can set and forget smile.gif

that's what i do when i do a new install. try softperfect  ramdisk; free, but it's one of the best; no limits on ramdisk size.

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i do my work in ram disk normally. i set the temporary folders, web cache (chrome, firefox, etc.) and download folder to the ramdisk (i am used to move things away from ram disk before shutdown). note that on every reboot, everything will be set up and start fresh, so you don't need to worry of any leftovers.

it's good to be used in laptops because we have battery (acting as ups). the only drawback might be bsod's. well, i never met one yet.
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While surfing and other general stuff look really tempting with those speeds, I do a lot of writing and BSODs (however remote the chances) aren't exactly my cuppa tea - you might lose PAGES of work EVEN with autosave/autorecovery. Plus I'm running a mixed 1.35v/1.5v RAM combo AT 1.35v (IF the general net consensus regarding how Haswell treats memory is correct), so my RAM might not be the most BSOD-resistant, even if it hasn't given me any trouble YET.

So I'll keep the RAMdisk as an interesting project to try out one day. For now, I'm gonna focus on getting a proper SSD first for the access speed boost - most possibly a Crucial M4 for the low power consumption or a Plex M5P.

I'll have to get a 9.5mm ODD caddy as well and plan to start with a fresh Win8 install so this is gonna be one mighty fun project.

A quick confirmation: Win8's CD-Key is built into the motherboard/BIOS/UEFI right?

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 09:25 AM)
While surfing and other general stuff look really tempting with those speeds, I do a lot of writing and BSODs (however remote the chances) aren't exactly my cuppa tea - you might lose PAGES of work EVEN with autosave/autorecovery. Plus I'm running a mixed 1.35v/1.5v RAM combo AT 1.35v (IF the general net consensus regarding how Haswell treats memory is correct), so my RAM might not be the most BSOD-resistant, even if it hasn't given me any trouble YET.

So I'll keep the RAMdisk as an interesting project to try out one day. For now, I'm gonna focus on getting a proper SSD first for the access speed boost - most possibly a Crucial M4 for the low power consumption or a Plex M5P.

I'll have to get a 9.5mm ODD caddy as well and plan to start with a fresh Win8 install so this is gonna be one mighty fun project.

A quick confirmation: Win8's CD-Key is built into the motherboard/BIOS/UEFI right?
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well that's just my use case smile.gif just do what you wanna to do.

between m4 and plextor, i suggest m5p. m4 is old, while m5p has higher read/writes and iops; it has devslp too. of course, for common usage, in general any decent ssd will do smile.gif

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well that's just my use case smile.gif just do what you wanna to do.

between m4 and plextor, i suggest m5p. m4 is old, while m5p has higher read/writes and iops; it has devslp too. of course, for common usage, in general any decent ssd will do smile.gif
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M5P has devsleep? That's just the ticket, couldn't confirm it before this through my searches.

If that's so then the M5P it is.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 10:49 AM)
M5P has devsleep? That's just the ticket, couldn't confirm it before this through my searches.

If that's so then the M5P it is.
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sorry i'm wrong. it's m5m that has the devslp. not m5p :/
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Guys, my GS70 touchpad can't be used. Restarted a few times but still havin problems. Can anyone help? Haven't use ot for a week :-(
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Guys, my GS70 touchpad can't be used. Restarted a few times but still havin problems. Can anyone help? Haven't use ot for a week :-(
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it seem like got disabled

you try press down FN+F3 to enable it
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Guys, my GS70 touchpad can't be used. Restarted a few times but still havin problems. Can anyone help? Haven't use ot for a week :-(
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Like Storm88 said, check if you turned the touchpad off first.

If that fails, check the Elanpad settings under Control Panel -> Mouse (at the very end) and check if you have "Disable touchpad when USB pointing device is connected" turned ON. You want it OFF because it doesn't really work.

@Horns: Dangit. Well I'll have to recheck reviews for power consumption figures and see if the vanilla M5P is comparable to the M4 in terms of power consumption.

The Sammys are king in power consumption at the low end though, if only they had a well priced MLC based SSD.

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Well,F3+Function button didn't work. @storm88

why does my F3 button didn't work? I tried entering F3 recovery and failed. Can anyone provide me with the software for this shortcut?
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Just sharing,fortunately, ALL-IT also have LoVo. Mushkin 8gb ddr3L 1600mhz c11 with a price tag of rm230.
Pretty rare to spot a mushkin ram nowdays.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 02:21 PM)
@Horns: Dangit. Well I'll have to recheck reviews for power consumption figures and see if the vanilla M5P is comparable to the M4 in terms of power consumption.

The Sammys are king in power consumption at the low end though, if only they had a well priced MLC based SSD.
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haha i misread sorry about that biggrin.gif

true. the sammys are good. i got the 830 and 840 pro (they're nice.. except for the price tags). it's too bad 840 evo uses tlc. i'm still hoping for their new mlc-based ssd's.
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Well,F3+Function button didn't work. @storm88

why does my F3 button didn't work? I tried entering F3 recovery and failed. Can anyone provide me with the software for this shortcut?
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your F3 recovery would not be work because you are running on your SSD, not on your original harddrive
and for your touchpad issue, do you connecting any mouse into your laptop right now?
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 4 2013, 12:34 PM)
Guys, my GS70 touchpad can't be used. Restarted a few times but still havin problems. Can anyone help? Haven't use ot for a week :-(
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have you try to do fresh win8 restore? win+c > setting > change pc setting > General > here 2 option refresh win8 keep file or restore as new..? please back up before... hmm

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i am using ssd and my FN+f3 work like normal so does my F3 recovey... sad.gif smile.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 4 2013, 02:50 PM)
Just sharing,fortunately, ALL-IT also have LoVo. Mushkin 8gb ddr3L 1600mhz c11 with a price tag of rm230.
Pretty rare to spot a mushkin ram nowdays.
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rclxms.gif thx info smile.gif but MR> storm88 selling Crucial Low voltage 8 GB RAM RM 215.00 his stock refresh tomorrow! good news ait! smile.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 4 2013, 05:09 PM)
your F3 recovery would not be work because you are running on your SSD, not on your original harddrive
and for your touchpad issue, do you connecting any mouse into your laptop right now?
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hi bro, problem solved. Reinstalled my software.As for MSI, since GE60, when you connect the mouse the touchpad is disabled. That's common :-)
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 4 2013, 06:25 PM)
rclxms.gif  thx info smile.gif but MR> storm88 selling Crucial Low voltage 8 GB RAM RM 215.00  his stock refresh tomorrow! good news ait!  smile.gif
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What did you get after selling your GT70?
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hi guys, planning to get GE60 20C-093MY. Is there any issue/problem that i should be aware of? And by the way does this model has a mSATA slot? Coz i saw some forum said it has, but the specification didn't show
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 01:27 AM)
I've read that too. But:

Countersauce (From Intel's own dev conference):

user posted image

Note all 3 voltage profiles being supported on the upper right  side of the slide. However, keep in mind this might simply apply to the Haswell architecture in general, the Desktop side included.

More importantly, I've been hearing a lot of chatter that Haswell mobile ONLY pushes 1.35v to the RAM, which means that any 1.5/1.65v RAM stick used is simply "undervolted" down to 1.35v.

This is MUCH more plausible (vs the the "it can ONLY use 1.35v or thar be dragons!" theory) and it sufficiently explains why only SOME 1.5/1.65v RAMs cause certain Haswell laptops to be unbootable, as NOT all 1.5/1.65v RAM sticks can handle running at 1.35v at default timings.

In short, if the RAM used cannot run on 1.35v, the laptop will simply not boot. No matter what voltage RAM you stuff inside.

The plus side is that no harm should come to the laptop in this case, because the motherboard isn't really supplying RAM voltage out-of-spec. It's simply a question of whether or not your RAM will run with the given voltage. In the worse case, the RAM sticks in question will simply not work (or die off) due to lack of power.

Besides, there are ONLY 2 sites WARNING people of the dangers using anything over 1.35v with Haswell, on the ENTIRE Internet - and both of them forum posts. That has to count for something. If it'll really burn out stuff, you'd expect something like this to be ALL over the Internet, especially on "tech sites" like Anandtech and the like.

But no, zero, nada, zilch. Even the senior members at NBR are running 1.5v RAM on Haswell with little issue (HTWingNut on his W230ST for example). Even with 2133Mhz RAM (which is running at 1866Mhz max on his W230ST).

So it actually boils down to luck with any 1.5v (or even 1.65v) RAM sticks you plan to use. If it does 1.35v, you're fine. If not, well, tough luck.

Hence the "recommendation" to use DDR3L, which are simply RAM that WILL work for sure at 1.35v.

With that said, I'm fully planning to get another ADATA DDR3L stick anyway, or - like I said before - some fancy matched RAM set. It just feels better to run a matched pair in the end.

But FIRST, I gotta get me some SSD love.

@horns: Do you have to re-direct your cache and temps to the RAMdrive every time you cold boot? Because I don't run my laptop 24/7, and setting up startup batch commands for all that sounds like a real hassle.
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yea i read those too .. but i cant find any confirmation on MSI GS 70 doh.gif

i using Corsair Vengeance on my Y580
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 03:16 AM)
Because Nvidia doesn't really support the 76x series on laptops DIRECTLY (similar to a lot of their other laptop GPUs actually). They expect vendors (MSI/Clevo/Dell/Lenovo/Whoever) to come up with the drivers.

You need to mod the Nvidia driver ".inf" file if you STILL want to update. If you can't, don't bother updating unless you have a serious issue with any of the games you have.

I personally don't see THAT much improvement over stock 311 in the games I play anyway, at least not as much as actually optimising the settings for each game myself.
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but i cant play splinter cell black list, it always detected the intel gpu instead of gtx 760m
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QUOTE(wztech @ Sep 5 2013, 01:05 AM)
but i cant play splinter cell black list, it always detected the intel gpu instead of gtx 760m
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Cannot force SC:BL to use Nvidia meh?

1) Right click on the shortcut
2) Choose "run with graphics processor"
3) "Change default graphics processor"
4) Click "Add"
5) Find the SC:BL executable file
6) Go to "2. Select the preferred graphics processor for this program" and choose "Nvidia graphics processor".
7) Click "apply"
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8) PROFIT!!!

So far it works for me every time I need to force Nvidia to work. Not sure if it applies to SC:BL though.

@zaicon: Damn LoVo is STILL quite expensive compared to standard DDR3. I got my standard 8GB stick at 200 but even that is marked up laptop seller RAM pricing, normal DDR3 prices should be considerably lower.

@K.E: The GS70 should work like every other Haswell out there, nothing special added also.

Rule of thumb for Haswell RAM:

1) 1.35v LoVo will CONFIRM work.
2) 1.5v Standard/XPG MIGHT work.
3) 1.65v Standard/XPG LESS CHANCES of working.

But really, RAM compatibility has always been up to luck lol, other than the sticks the laptop manufacturer gives you. I remember using RAM sticks that are perfectly matched in terms of specs... and one still makes my old laptop fail POST lol.

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hmm GT 60/70 it work on 1.5Volt ram it even show on dimms it support 1.5v ram lol i think i post pic on old msi threads smile.gif
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 10:00 AM)
hmm GT 60/70 it work on 1.5Volt ram  it even show on dimms it support 1.5v ram lol i think i post pic on old msi threads smile.gif
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I'm running one stick 1.5v myself (if you check the previous version thread I thought it was 1.35v lol), so no questions 1.5v CAN run on Haswell, but is it running at 1.5v? Even on CPU-Z's SPD tab there written 1.5v RAM that's the speeds the RAM is rated to run at (data from the RAM info chips themselves) NOT the voltage that the RAM is actually running AT.

AFAIK ALL RAM runs at 1.35v with Haswell. Like I said, whether or not it runs depends on the RAM itself, similar to undervolting a Processor. Some 1.5v RAM can run 1.35v no problem, others cannot.

Now waiting for gaji for SSD project I gatal edi... Wanna wrap my laptop in carbon fiber vinyl this weekend.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 4 2013, 06:25 PM)
rclxms.gif  thx info smile.gif but MR> storm88 selling Crucial Low voltage 8 GB RAM RM 215.00  his stock refresh tomorrow! good news ait!  smile.gif
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Ya. Brother storm88 price is cheap. I even recommend people getting LoVo's from him as well.


QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 10:55 AM)
AFAIK ALL RAM runs at 1.35v with Haswell. Like I said, whether or not it runs depends on the RAM itself, similar to undervolting a Processor. Some 1.5v RAM can run 1.35v no problem, others cannot.
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Ya, but we all can agree from your previous quote. "depends on luck" laugh.gif

ANYWHO, I manage to get a hold of MSI-MY, and luckily,(and hopefully) a colleague of his, will be monitoring our thread for further clarification. rclxms.gif

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ANYWHO, I manage to get a hold of MSI-MY, and luckily,(and hopefully) a colleague of his, will be monitoring our thread for further clarification. rclxms.gif
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GREAT NEWS bro. Hopefully it's someone with ample knowledge and good CSR skills.

Anyhow, RAM wise what I want is that delicious CL9 goodness Storm88 has got coming in lol.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 11:51 AM)
GREAT NEWS bro. Hopefully it's someone with ample knowledge and good CSR skills.

Anyhow, RAM wise what I want is that delicious CL9 goodness Storm88 has got coming in lol.
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Dont fret!! there he is !

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Welcome sir !
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wow spy in the house.... hmm i never open back panel of my notebook biggrin.gif and nobody on here even have any clue on how to open back panel of our notebook we are all noob... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 5 2013, 11:36 AM)
Ya. Brother storm88 price is cheap. I even recommend people getting LoVo's from him as well.
Ya, but we all can agree from your previous quote. "depends on luck"  laugh.gif

ANYWHO, I manage to get a hold of MSI-MY, and luckily,(and hopefully) a colleague of his, will be monitoring our thread for further clarification. rclxms.gif
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rclxms.gif just purchase 16GB from storm88
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 12:00 PM)
rclxms.gif  just purchase 16GB  from storm88
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I guess that makes your gt70 a 32gb monster is it? Nice smile.gif

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i need to wait ram arrive first... im in Batu pahat now...


Edit: regarding RAM bye bye warranty

"Answer
MSI Intel Haswell device supports DDR3L memory. If you want to add memory on your 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7/i5 Processor platform, please make sure the additional RAM is compatible with your device. MSI recommend customer to use DDR3L 1.35V, not DDR3 1.5V. Our laptops have best stability/support when running with DDR3L. (Warning: Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts will lose the global warranty. Please check detailed warranty info with your local dealers or following link.) http://www.msi.com/service/warranty/ "

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 11:58 AM)
wow spy in the house.... hmm i never open back panel of my notebook  biggrin.gif  and nobody on here even have any clue on how to open back panel of our notebook we are all noob...   biggrin.gif
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Yes. We have NO IDEA how to do all that weird stuff.

Good to have an official MSI rep in the house, welcome!

@unseen83: "Recommend" brah, "recommend". Although I reckon EVERYBODY would be better off with LoVo anyway. Myself will be changing to LoVo as soon as I finish my SSD project.

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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 4 2013, 10:37 PM)
What did you get after selling your GT70?
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i never manage to sell my GT70... i think i going to keep this notebook till next year biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 12:43 PM)
Yes. We have NO IDEA how to do all that weird stuff.

Good to have an official MSI rep in the house, welcome!

@unseen83: "Recommend" brah, "recommend".
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 12:11 PM)
i need to wait ram arrive first... im in Batu pahat now...
Edit: regarding RAM bye bye warranty

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MSI Intel Haswell device supports DDR3L memory. If you want to add memory on your 4th generation Intel® Core™ i7/i5 Processor platform, please make sure the additional RAM is compatible with your device. MSI recommend customer to use DDR3L 1.35V, not DDR3 1.5V. Our laptops have best stability/support when running with DDR3L. (Warning: Unauthorized changes of non MSI parts will lose the global warranty. Please check detailed warranty info with your local dealers or following link.) http://www.msi.com/service/warranty/ "
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I think he is more concerned about that part.
Try asking MSI-NB

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 12:43 PM)
Yes. We have NO IDEA how to do all that weird stuff.

Good to have an official MSI rep in the house, welcome!

@unseen83: "Recommend" brah, "recommend".
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hello... smile.gif yes " NO idea" thx all the theory talk we all have on here smile.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 5 2013, 11:36 AM)
Ya. Brother storm88 price is cheap. I even recommend people getting LoVo's from him as well.
Ya, but we all can agree from your previous quote. "depends on luck"  laugh.gif

ANYWHO, I manage to get a hold of MSI-MY, and luckily,(and hopefully) a colleague of his, will be monitoring our thread for further clarification. rclxms.gif
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I too officially recommends to my friend to get from him. Friendly and good service by bro storm88. cheers.gif
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I think he is more concerned with that part.
Try asking MSI-NB
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msi notebook sold in malaysia come wit h 1 yr local+1 global... so 2 year... but what the site say when we upgrade ram/ hdd/ssd we lost extra year?? is what i understand la...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 12:50 PM)
msi notebook sold in malaysia  come wit h 1 yr local+1 global... so 2 year... but  what the site say when we upgrade ram/ hdd/ssd we lost extra year?? is what i understand la...
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I STILL think "non-MSI parts" here means more everything that is NOT RAM and Storage. MSI-NB will have to clarify lah.
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I STILL think "non-MSI parts" here means more everything that is NOT RAM and Storage. MSI-NB will have to clarify lah.
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sadly i got email... saying opposite to that... lol really MSI is not consistence
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MSI-NB, Will the warranty be voided if we install RAM/HDD/SSD?
And can elaborate more on how to upgrade them?
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Hi msi,

Is it possible for me to add my own SSD to the 020MY , warranty void ?thanks
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hi bro wanna confirm this does GE60 20C has mSATA slot? how many slots it has? And will it void warranty if we add in ourself?
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Go slow on asking questions to msi official. Later, he got afraid and run away from this thread.
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QUOTE(htpkevin @ Sep 5 2013, 02:10 PM)
hi bro wanna confirm this does GE60 20C has mSATA slot? how many slots it has? And will it void warranty if we add in ourself?
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GE60-2OC got 1 MSata slot bro. Opened it when adding my ram.
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GE60-2OC got 1 MSata slot bro. Opened it when adding my ram.
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ah ic. Will it void warranty if we add it in ourself? But i don quite understand coz website says 'Up to 256GB Super RAID + 750GB HDD 7200rpm' so i tot got 2 slot?
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ah ic. Will it void warranty if we add it in ourself? But i don quite understand coz website says 'Up to 256GB Super RAID + 750GB HDD 7200rpm' so i tot got 2 slot?
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I'm quite unsure. I asked the shopkeeper where I previously bought my GE60-2OC and he said it's fine to open and add your own ram or hdd, but as long as you don't touch other stuffs inside the computer itself then no problem. As for MSata, Mr Storm 88 said can be extended to any value. And I've heard a forumer here added a daughterboard to his GE40. That too unsure. as for normal HDD, I think you can put up to 1 TB. If you have the moolah, then opt for the Crucial M500 960GB SSD that costs almost to 2k. brows.gif
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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 5 2013, 03:02 PM)
I'm quite unsure. I asked the shopkeeper where I previously bought my GE60-2OC and he said it's fine to open and add your own ram or hdd, but as long as you don't touch other stuffs inside the computer itself then no problem. As for MSata, Mr Storm 88 said can be extended to any value. And I've heard a forumer here added a daughterboard to his GE40. That too unsure. as for normal HDD, I think you can put up to 1 TB. If you have the moolah, then opt for the Crucial M500 960GB SSD that costs almost to 2k.  brows.gif
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Nobody added a daughterboard to his GE40. That guy imported his GE40 lock stock and barrel from the US simply so that he could get the one with SSD + HDD.

The empty daughterboard ALONE costs RM500 from MSI. I can get a 240GB SSD with that kind of money easily, BUT that adapter is THE ONLY WAY you can RAID 2 mSATAs together. There is NO third party adapter that can achieve that, so RM500 might be worth it if you want RAID speeds from your mSATA.

As for slots, YES the daughterboard comes with TWO mSATA slots, or at least the one for the GE40 does.

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Oh lawd I think we scared the guy off edi.
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i called msi service careline. A friendly support personnel confirmed with me we can upgrade the hdd/ssd and memory ourselves. As long as we don't break anything during the process. Then they will honor the warranty.

But they still recommend us to get to nearest service center to do it for us.
From my point of view, I wanna add in a hdd myself, 5mins job. But travel to service center and probably get charged to do it? No way for me.
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Nobody added a daughterboard to his GE40. That guy imported his GE40 lock stock and barrel from the US simply so that he could get the one with SSD + HDD.

The empty daughterboard ALONE costs RM500 from MSI. I can get a 240GB SSD with that kind of money easily, BUT that adapter is THE ONLY WAY you can RAID 2 mSATAs together. There is NO third party adapter that can achieve that, so RM500 might be worth it if you want RAID speeds from your mSATA.

As for slots, YES the daughterboard comes with TWO mSATA slots, or at least the one for the GE40 does.
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QUOTE(180sx @ Sep 5 2013, 03:16 PM)
i called msi service careline. A friendly support personnel confirmed with me we can upgrade the hdd/ssd and memory ourselves. As long as we don't break anything during the process. Then they will honor the warranty.

But they still recommend us to get to nearest service center to do it for us.
From my point of view, I wanna add in a hdd myself, 5mins job. But travel to service center and probably get charged to do it? No way for me.
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Same answer I got.

THEY REALLY HAVE TO PUT THIS IN WRITING SOMEWHERE SO THAT NO SC CAN SCREW US OVER IN THE FUTURE.

Ehem MSI-NB. Ehem.

Please notify your superiors that us gamers will LOVE your brand (and recommend it to everyone we know) if we are given OFFICIAL permission to upgrade the RAM/Storage on our own without voiding the warranty. In turn, we will honor our side of the bargain by making sure NOTHING ELSE is disturbed in the process.

Also, the RAM/Storage upgrades that we do is in no way the responsibility of MSI. If the RAM/Storage device that we add in breaks, we will be solely responsible for it's repair/replacement.

Consequently, if someone unskilled tries to upgrade their RAM and ends up poking a screwdriver clean through their graphics chip, than we can definitely accept it when MSI says that he/she voided his warranty.

We are asking this because we have been given conflicting information from multiple correspondences with MSI itself, which is NOT good.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 03:24 PM)
Same answer I got.

THEY REALLY HAVE TO PUT THIS IN WRITING SOMEWHERE SO THAT NO SC CAN SCREW US OVER IN THE FUTURE.

Ehem MSI-NB. Ehem.

Please notify your superiors that us gamers will LOVE your brand (and recommend it to everyone we know) if we are given OFFICIAL permission to upgrade the RAM/Storage on our own without voiding the warranty. In turn, we will honor our side of the bargain by making sure NOTHING ELSE is disturbed in the process.

Also, the RAM/Storage upgrades that we do is in no way the responsibility of MSI. If the RAM/Storage device that we add in breaks, we will be solely responsible for it's repair/replacement.

Consequently, if someone unskilled tries to upgrade their RAM and ends up poking a screwdriver clean through their graphics chip, than we can definitely accept it when MSI says that he/she voided his warranty.

Thank you.
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FULLY AGREED with you bro.
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FULLY AGREED with you bro.
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After all, they only have to bear with our shenanigans for 2 years. In return, they get long term loyalty from grateful customers (us).

It's a very fair give and take in my book.

Word of mouth can be a very, very powerful advertising tool indeed, and it really costs almost nothing to implement.

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Anyone, comment on GX70 in terms of performance. Please... Also please rise the issue of bottleneck.
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Anyone, comment on GX70 in terms of performance. Please... Also please rise the issue of bottleneck.
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PM Storm88. I think he said something along the lines of "it's crap unless you upgrade the RAM" or something.

LOL. Really, if you play graphics heavy games (FPS), it'll be fine. But CPU heavy games like Starcraft 2 (or something, IDK what example to give for CPU heavy games) might be a different story - the CPU is still a bottleneck in this case.

Long story short, if you want fast EVERYTHING, stick to Intel + Nvidia. If you only do shooter games, than the GX isn't half bad.

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Anyone, comment on GX70 in terms of performance. Please... Also please rise the issue of bottleneck.
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For the GPU, it can handle any games easily, except games that really requires multi-core:-

Battlefield 3(32-64 players)(most demanding CPU game)
GTA IV
Assassins Creed 3
Shogun 2
LA Noire
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 12:50 PM)
msi notebook sold in malaysia  come wit h 1 yr local+1 global... so 2 year... but  what the site say when we upgrade ram/ hdd/ssd we lost extra year?? is what i understand la...
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MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.


P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around  laugh.gif
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please host meet up for fans biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around  laugh.gif
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Do we get charged if we bring our nb to service center to upgrade/change hdd/ram ?
It's good to see an official MSI member answering our questions smile.gif
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please host meet up for fans biggrin.gif
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icon_rolleyes.gif We're having meet up for fans real soon, those who interested can PM us.

Venue in KL area, limited seats rclxms.gif


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Do we get charged if we bring our nb to service center to upgrade/change hdd/ram ?
It's good to see an official MSI member answering our questions smile.gif
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Yes, there'll be charges.
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around  laugh.gif
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MSI, can upgrade warranty period for your laptop ?
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MSI, can upgrade warranty period for your laptop ?
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Atm we do not offer upgrade warranty period for laptop.
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around   laugh.gif
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That sounds fair enough. Though like I said, if MSI Malaysia is able to give official permission (with all the "proper" terms and conditions, of course) to do user upgrades, you'll REALLY be popular with us gamers.

But, as long as I have the knowledge that the SC doesn't simply refuse service due to a broken "void" seal (well, the authorised dealer will have to break that seal themselves when they add RAM, like my shop did, right?) and will treat each claim FAIRLY on a case by case basis, than it's all good with me.

Thanks MSI-NB.

Now we can all go attack Storm88 for RAM upgrades. He's an authorised dealer after all (IINM lar)... brows.gif

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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
P/S: Don't worry all, MSI-NB is still around  laugh.gif
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may i know who is MSI authorize dealer on LYN ? alot saleman on here claim they are authorize dealer... lolz
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why when i have BSOD MSI service center Batu Pahat wanted to charge me?
Why MSI service center low yat plaza(2nd floor) say they do not provide upgrade service...?? rclxub.gif
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will upgrade in MSI service center +service charge price???
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 05:16 PM)
Atm we do not offer upgrade warranty period for laptop.
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wow... haha so there Jacky seller on here offer me to upgrade warranty on my MSI GT70 notebook for RM 500-600 to extend it +1year(on day i purchase notebook, )... blush.gif

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Jacky seller

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 05:54 PM)
wow... haha so there Jacky seller on here offer me to upgrade warranty on my MSI GT70 notebook for RM 500-600 to extend it +1year(on day i purchase notebook, )...  blush.gif

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That one is actually "insurance" masquerading as "extended warranty". MSI has nothing to do with it from 2nd year forwards IINM.

It's totally third party folks. Like Mobisure (for phones) and the SenQ 5-year warranty thingy.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:46 PM)
may i know who is MSI authorize dealer on LYN ? alot saleman on here claim they are  authorize dealer... lolz
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why when i have  BSOD MSI service center Batu Pahat wanted to charge me?
Why MSI service center low yat plaza(2nd floor) say they do not provide upgrade service...?? rclxub.gif
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will upgrade in MSI service center +service charge price???
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they got website ma, after they do major update then can know who is authorized one liao smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 05:58 PM)
That one is actually "insurance" masquerading as "extended warranty". MSI has nothing to do with it from 2nd year forwards IINM.

It's totally third party folks. Like Mobisure and the SenQ 5-year warranty thingy. I know for a fact sellers get a good cut from selling those "extended warranty" covers.
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hmmm thanx.. i had my suspicious they try milk every cash i have in my wallet at time... i reject their hard and repeatedly offer me to extend it... well i still fall for their overprice 8GB low voltage ram...RM250 lol
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:04 PM)
they got website ma, after they do major update then can know who is authorized one liao smile.gif
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If you're one of them, then I'm buying all my "upgrade" stuff from you lol. Especially that delicious, delicious 16GB Crucial Ballistix CL9 matched pair - if it works for you.

@Unseen83: At least you got LoVo. I'm stuck with an RM200 Kingston Value stick up my GE40's ***. Thank God it actually works.

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What Jacky's offer is by their shop not official from msi, much like wut xotic pic.com offers. I bought my gs70 from him and I upgraded both ssd, ram and 802.11ac myself. He did take me to one of the shops to upgrade my ram but it ended up the guy didn't install it properly and it keeps crashing.... Lol

Anyone interested in buying my killer wireless LAN mini pice card?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 07:07 PM)
If you're one of them, then I'm buying all my "upgrade" stuff from you lol.

Especially that delicious, delicious 16GB Crucial Ballistix CL9 matched pair - if it works for you.

@Unseen83: At least you got LoVo. I'm stuck with an RM200 Kingston Value stick up my GE40's ***. Thank God it actually works.
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/if they dont put our name to their website, i will take MINI GUN and vmad.gif then gao gao liao tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 06:37 PM)
That sounds fair enough. Though like I said, if MSI Malaysia is able to give official permission (with all the "proper" terms and conditions, of course) to do user upgrades, you'll REALLY be popular with us gamers.

But, as long as I have the knowledge that the SC doesn't simply refuse service due to a broken "void" seal (well, the authorised dealer will have to break that seal themselves when they add RAM, like my shop did, right?) and will treat each claim FAIRLY on a case by case basis, than it's all good with me.

Thanks MSI-NB.

Now we can all go attack Storm88 for RAM upgrades. He's an authorised dealer after all (IINM lar)... brows.gif
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Ehem @kevink82. Ehemmmmmmmiminterstedmmm.

@Storm88: Serbu = all go buy from you lar. Attack in a good way brah... brows.gif

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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 06:03 PM)
icon_rolleyes.gif We're having meet up for fans real soon, those who interested can PM us.

Venue in KL area, limited seats  rclxms.gif
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cepat cepat announce lor.
what title and most importantly...

got user posted image Provided ka?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 04:24 PM)
Same answer I got.

THEY REALLY HAVE TO PUT THIS IN WRITING SOMEWHERE SO THAT NO SC CAN SCREW US OVER IN THE FUTURE.

Ehem MSI-NB. Ehem.

Please notify your superiors that us gamers will LOVE your brand (and recommend it to everyone we know) if we are given OFFICIAL permission to upgrade the RAM/Storage on our own without voiding the warranty. In turn, we will honor our side of the bargain by making sure NOTHING ELSE is disturbed in the process.

Also, the RAM/Storage upgrades that we do is in no way the responsibility of MSI. If the RAM/Storage device that we add in breaks, we will be solely responsible for it's repair/replacement.

Consequently, if someone unskilled tries to upgrade their RAM and ends up poking a screwdriver clean through their graphics chip, than we can definitely accept it when MSI says that he/she voided his warranty.

We are asking this because we have been given conflicting information from multiple correspondences with MSI itself, which is NOT good.

Thank you.
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who what... dun attack storm88 yet... want him alive to send me the ram.. lovo 16gb + huihui then we can cook storm88lol
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:15 PM)
Woa, i think MSI has to belanja u drink for such good advise  notworthy.gif
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What can I say. I like their stuff. If they can give us great service AND great products, better deal for all of us, rite?

MSI gets loyal customers in return. Loyal customers bring in EVEN MORE loyal customers. What's not to like.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 06:18 PM)
What can I say. I like their stuff. If they can give us great service AND great stuff, better deal for all of us, rite?
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rclxms.gif true
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 07:16 PM)
who what... dun attack storm88 yet... want him alive to send me the ram.. lovo 16gb + huihui then we can cook storm88lol
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u attack me for Lovo got what use jet

i got Crucial onli wat tongue.gif


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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Sep 5 2013, 01:49 PM)
I too officially recommends to my friend to get from him. Friendly and good service by bro storm88.  cheers.gif
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thanks for the support smile.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:25 PM)
u attack me for Lovo got what use jet

i got Crucial onli wat tongue.gif
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Them Ballistix came in yet? Faster faster review.

And you should stock SSDs from Crucial too, maybe even Plextor. Later we can go upgrade at our "favourite" authorised dealer lol.

BTW, your lobster picture is REALLY making me hungry darnit.

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QUOTE(htpkevin @ Sep 4 2013, 11:40 PM)
hi guys, planning to get GE60 20C-093MY. Is there any issue/problem that i should be aware of? And by the way does this model has a mSATA slot? Coz i saw some forum said it has, but the specification didn't show
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the newer batch (the one with Sharkbay based processor) has one mSATA slot
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yes... crucial M5 960GB... price please... i got best offer RM1.8K
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 07:26 PM)
Them Ballistix came in yet? Faster faster review.

And you should stock SSDs from Crucial too, maybe even Plextor. Later we can go upgrade at our "favourite" authorised dealer lol.

BTW, your lobster picture is REALLY making me hungry darnit.
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I sell alot of crucial stuff ma

i got many crucial stuff here lo. Performance ram, value ram, ssd, msata etc. I like to use Crucial pretty much as it never gave me trouble
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 07:32 PM)
yes... crucial M5 960GB... price please...  i got best offer RM1.8K
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now still got 1.8K? dont think so lor
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:31 PM)
the newer batch (the one with Sharkbay based processor) has one mSATA slot
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how do i tell whether the one i'm getting is newer or older batch?
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:38 PM)
now still got 1.8K? dont think so lor
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he sell alot SSD/memory

crucial M5 960GB RM1799 ok so is not 1.8K lols
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I sell alot of crucial stuff ma

i got many crucial stuff here lo. Performance ram, value ram, ssd, msata etc. I like to use Crucial pretty much as it never gave me trouble
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Later end of this month wait for my magical PM, Mr Authorized Dealer!

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wooo i might just know what upgrade i want on my humble GT70... tongue.gif
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wooo i might just know what upgrade i want on my humble GT70... tongue.gif
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Shhhhhhhh.

This thread has ears... brows.gif
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QUOTE(tWice @ Sep 5 2013, 04:52 PM)
Anyone, comment on GX70 in terms of performance. Please... Also please rise the issue of bottleneck.
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Let me leave some reference:

stock 8G 1600mhz memory benchie:
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 15FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 14FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING: 18FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1600Mhz Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 19
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 25FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING: 25FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1866Mhz CL9 Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 24FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 36FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING: 31FPS
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eye is more correct...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 07:45 PM)
he sell alot SSD/memory

crucial M5 960GB RM1799 ok so is not 1.8K lols
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Oh... this is the price before increase. i think he can giv u the same price anymore

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:50 PM)
Let me leave some reference:

stock 8G 1600mhz memory benchie:
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 15FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 14FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  18FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1600Mhz Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 19
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 25FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  25FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1866Mhz CL9 Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 24FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 36FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  31FPS
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rclxms.gif woow... 1866mhz RAM have effect on gaming performance... smile.gif AMD apu... but sadly i got double FPS on all that game(GT70 spec)... lolz
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:52 PM)
Oh... this is the price before increase. i think he can giv u the same price anymore
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he msg me.. lol but no stock so need wait 3 working days stock... but i got no cash at moment lolz
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 5 2013, 07:54 PM)
rclxms.gif  woow...  1866mhz RAM have effect on gaming performance... smile.gif AMD apu... but sadly  i got double FPS  on all that game(GT70 spec)...  lolz
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GT70 different la

No doubt the APU pulled down the overall gaming experience on GX series. sad...
but anyhow, by changing the ram, it does help alot in performance of the Processor
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GT70 different la

No doubt the APU pulled down the overall gaming experience on GX series. sad...
but anyhow, by changing the ram, it does help alot in performance of the Processor
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how many dimms slot GX70 have? 2 or 4?
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Woah. So lively. It's amazing how much 3 people can spam laugh.gif

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Woah. So lively. It's amazing how much 3 people can spam  laugh.gif
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please do not post spam on here... only Msi related interest is allow ... any further spam you will be BAN... lols
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please do not post spam on here... only Msi related interest is allow ... any further spam you will be BAN... lols
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Oo. ok sorry boss.

QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 10:55 AM)
Now waiting for gaji for SSD project I gatal edi... Wanna wrap my laptop in carbon fiber vinyl this weekend.
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Dont forget upload (quote) "PICTARRRS" biggrin.gif
But wouldnt that ruin your mata naga?

I wonder if soft touch finish wrap available hmm.gif

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QUOTE(zaicon @ 13, 08:01 PM)
Dont forget upload (quote) "PICTARRRS"  biggrin.gif
But wouldnt that ruin your mata naga?

I wonder if soft touch finish wrap available  hmm.gif
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Don't call it spamming, it's "constructive conversation" lol. Besides, MSI now basically has one of the most active threads in the Notebook subsection - isn't that a good thing?

As for wrapping, I'm planning to DIY wrap the eye-sickening glossy plastics inside oni with CF (and the metal palmrest because it gets kinda warm). For the lid I'll probably source some 3M automotive clear vinyl (like Invisible Shield, only for cars).

Or maybe get black brushed aluminium vinyl for the plastic parts AND CF for the palmrest. Hmmm, decisions, decisions.

I'm actually regretting peeling off the specs sticker. It was such an effective heat shield for my left palm. Now my palm feels warm when the GC gets to barely 60-70c. Ugh.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 08:20 PM)
Don't call it spamming, it's "constructive conversation" lol. Besides, MSI now basically has one of the most active threads in the Notebook subsection - isn't that a good thing?

As for wrapping, I'm planning to DIY wrap the eye-sickening glossy plastics inside oni with CF (and the metal palmrest because it gets kinda warm). For the lid I'll probably source some 3M automotive clear vinyl (like Invisible Shield, only for cars).

Or maybe get black brushed aluminium vinyl for the plastic parts AND CF for the palmrest. Hmmm, decisions, decisions.

I'm actually regretting peeling off the specs sticker. It was such an effective heat shield for my left palm. Now my palm feels warm when the GC gets to barely 60-70c. Ugh.
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Ugh, clearly you guys misunderstood my term "spam". shakehead.gif
I mean it in a good way brows.gif

Isnt that 3M thing expensive? Regarding the spec sticker, removing it make the laptop look nice, and you know what they say,
Comfartable = not nice
Nice = not comfortable biggrin.gif
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Ugh, clearly you guys misunderstood my term "spam". shakehead.gif
I mean it in a good way  brows.gif

Isnt that 3M thing expensive? Regarding the spec sticker, removing it make the laptop look nice, and you know what they say,
Comfartable = not nice
Nice = not comfortable  biggrin.gif
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Wait later I put vinyl. Will look nice AND feel nice.

3M actually not THAT expensive. Large square grid of 3M CF pattern enough to cover Kancil bonnet is around 50-60. Other weird patterns like brushed alum and stuff will be like 70-80 at most, same size. Problem is, you'll have to have the patience to cut it and paste it yourself.

Or you can send to "laptop skinning" shops that prolly use substandard vinyl and charge you double that... biggrin.gif

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ah okay "spam " good kinda way... u must luv that pork in cann... good for u then...

hmm: they say im weirds...
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 11:43 PM)
Wait later I put vinyl. Will look nice AND feel nice.

3M actually not THAT expensive. Large square grid of 3M CF pattern enough to cover Kancil bonnet is around 50-60. Other weird patterns like brushed alum and stuff will be like 70-80 at most, same size. Problem is, you'll have to have the patience to cut it and paste it yourself.

Or you can send to "laptop skinning" shops that prolly use substandard vinyl and charge you double that... biggrin.gif
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please take pic... of your PIMP out Notebook okay smile.gif share is caring smile.gif

edit: i found out 3M on cpu/gpu is abit lacking... and i finally understand IC diamond thermal good for... is how the thermal won't allow cpu/gpu temp go over 70C... (well it's my theory ..or my opinion)

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please take pic... of your PIMP out Notebook okay smile.gif share is caring smile.gif
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I must warn you first. My hands have ZERO artistic sense. So it might look horrible.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 5 2013, 11:47 PM)
I must warn you first. My hands have ZERO artistic sense. So it might look horrible.
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Well, even with *ehem* paste and my GPU hovering around 70c the palmrest still feels very warm. Problem is, the GPU is RIGHT underneath my left palm, with probably only a few millimeters of metal and plastic separating them. It's a non issue when I'm in an air conditioned room but otherwise it feels like the palmrest was designed to HELP the GPU vent heat, straight to my palm - rather than properly insulated to keep my palm cool.

The price you have to pay for having a nice, shiny brushed aluminum palmrest lol - especially one with a hardworking mid-range GPU right behind it.

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I must warn you first. My hands have ZERO artistic sense. So it might look horrible.
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I googled some.

Attached Image

You want to make it like this is it?

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Once the warranty runs out, I'm going to try my luck in doing something similar to XoticPC's skinning and wrapping service for laptops. I really dig the stealth wrap.

Of course, if MSI released a GS40 with a better screen and cooling, I'd sell off my GE40 in a heartbeat and go for that.
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 6 2013, 12:42 AM)
I googled some.

Attached Image

You want to make it like this is it?
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Woah that's not half bad!
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Hello all,

New proud owner of a MSI GT70 here! Great laptop! tongue.gif

Has anyone been able to download the latest Killer driver (version 1.0.25.1224) for the 1202? For some reason the download would always stop half way and terminate. Same happen when I download from other computers (and of a different internet connection).

Anyone has a mirror link to the file and kind enough to share? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zakov @ Sep 6 2013, 07:10 AM)
Once the warranty runs out, I'm going to try my luck in doing something similar to XoticPC's skinning and wrapping service for laptops. I really dig the stealth wrap.

Of course, if MSI released a GS40 with a better screen and cooling, I'd sell off my GE40 in a heartbeat and go for that.
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That's the soft touch finish right? The one they used on older Alienwares and Asus G-series?
Can povide a link where to get them?
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:50 PM)
Let me leave some reference:

stock 8G 1600mhz memory benchie:
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 15FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 14FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  18FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1600Mhz Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 19
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 25FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  25FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1866Mhz CL9 Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 24FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 36FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  31FPS
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This is interesting...i thought the 1866mhz ram would affect the 8650G performance more and not so much on 7970m/8970m...

How much is the 8gb 1866mhz CL9?
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 08:10 AM)
Hello all,

New proud owner of a MSI GT70 here! Great laptop! tongue.gif

Has anyone been able to download the latest Killer driver (version 1.0.25.1224) for the 1202? For some reason the download would always stop half way and terminate. Same happen when I download from other computers (and of a different internet connection).

Anyone has a mirror link to the file and kind enough to share? smile.gif
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Hey welcome man. Great machine you have there. Try asking @Unseen83. He has a gt70 as well, and a faulty killer driver at first, not too sure on details hmm.gif

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 6 2013, 08:13 AM)
Hey welcome man. Great machine you have there. Try asking @Unseen83. He has a gt70 as well, and a faulty killer driver at first, not too sure on details hmm.gif
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Thanks for your reply mate!

I finally downloaded the file. Out of curiosity I decided to use my mobile's connection to download and it worked. Strange. I wonder what's with my home Wi-Fi connection... hmm.gif

Man I miss UNIFI/fibre connection...
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This is interesting...i thought the 1866mhz ram would affect the 8650G performance more and not so much on 7970m/8970m...

How much is the 8gb 1866mhz CL9?
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Yes, there'll be charges.
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Hmm.....seriously this is a big problem for me. I change hdd very frequently, test which ssd works best for me. Can't bring my lappy to msi service center to change and get charged for something i know how to do it sad.gif
Guys, how about Asus G750JX? Good alternative to gt70/gs70? Am considering Asus now.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 08:10 AM)
Hello all,

New proud owner of a MSI GT70 here! Great laptop! tongue.gif

Has anyone been able to download the latest Killer driver (version 1.0.25.1224) for the 1202? For some reason the download would always stop half way and terminate. Same happen when I download from other computers (and of a different internet connection).

Anyone has a mirror link to the file and kind enough to share? smile.gif
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biggrin.gif greeting yes GT70 is truly awesome !! carefull when installing killer driver make sure uninstal before install driver... smile.gif oh make sure download it first then uninstall previous driver then restart then install...

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QUOTE(180sx @ Sep 6 2013, 12:50 PM)
Hmm.....seriously this is a big problem for me. I change hdd very frequently, test which ssd works best for me. Can't bring my lappy to msi service center to change and get charged for something i know how to do it sad.gif
Guys, how about Asus G750JX? Good alternative to gt70/gs70? Am considering Asus now.
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ASUS service center will never charge you for duration of product warranty.. yes you may upgrade RAM/SSD by yourself but recommended bring service center as ASUS center worst they are..u not meet MSI yet lol.. well this is my opinion laa
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receive my 16GB low volt ram cannot wait to go home install this puppy... please god make this ram faulty free!!! hmm what i can do with 32GB ram... hmm hmm
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 12:56 PM)
biggrin.gif  greeting yes GT70 is truly awesome !! carefull when installing killer driver make sure  uninstal before install driver... smile.gif oh make sure download it first then uninstall previous driver then restart then install...

killer driver msi
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Thanks for the link bro.

I finally managed to download the driver from Killer's website. Followed the instructions and updated the driver. Now, it appears to lose connection randomly. Damn... I guess I have to roll back lol!
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 12:59 PM)
ASUS service center will never charge you for duration of product warranty.. yes you may upgrade RAM/SSD by yourself but recommended bring service center as ASUS center worst they are..u not meet MSI yet lol.. well this is my opinion laa
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I see....so far my g73jw worked fine. So nvr have experience dealing wif Asus service. Anyway, screw the damn warranty seal. If MSI dare to void my warranty, they will feel my wrath. I'm buying 2 laptops...so gotta consider carefully b4 commit.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 02:17 PM)
receive my 16GB low volt ram cannot wait to go home install this puppy... please god make this ram faulty free!!! hmm what i can do with 32GB ram... hmm hmm
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i also wonder what u need with 32G of ram laugh.gif

should b no problem one la. wink.gif
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 6 2013, 01:31 PM)
i also wonder what u need with 32G of ram laugh.gif

should b no problem one la. wink.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 01:20 PM)
Thanks for the link bro.

I finally managed to download the driver from Killer's website. Followed the instructions and updated the driver. Now, it appears to lose connection randomly. Damn... I guess I have to roll back lol!
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Do remember, MSI-NB nicely worded his reply. "MSI RECCOMENDS...". It was never "MSI WILL VOID WARRANTY UNLESS..."

Similarly, even our beloved Dell "recommends" all upgrades be done by Dell personnel. Illegear too.

I'll take that as a wink2 hush2 way of saying "As long as you don't poke a screwdriver clean through your processor..."

Remember, if MSI does officially condone user mods, all sorts of sheet will happen. WHILE the "sheet" can be worked out, I can understand if MSI doesn't want to be on the receiving end of abusive users taking advantage of that situation.

It's just a legal thing. They have their own asses to protect.

While I'd give an arm and a leg for a company that's brave enough to screw all of this and provide all that freedom OFFICIALLY to their customers, it's not particularly easy to fully implement.

Well, like I said before, as long as they "fairly" judge each warranty claim than it's all good.

ALSO, this "Gamers Meetup" thing might be a good platform to provide users with the opportunity to upgrade. Just take a few techs along and set up an "upgrade/quick service corner", users bring their stuff and the techs can help install them for a small fee (or even better, for free). Also the techs can help clean up user units that have dusty fans or help repaste for a reasonable fee.

Us gamers like these kinda "goodwill gestures". Especially the ones who aren't that proficient in doing things themselves. Does a lot on the CSR side of things. Happy customers are loyal customers after all.

Heck, I'm actually very happy just by having an OFFICIAL MSI rep monitoring the thread. That's already one thing you guys have over other brands, kudos.

That's just me with me long winded 20 cents as usual. YMMV.

@zakov: GS40? YES PLEASE MSI. But do wait for Maxwell first so that I don't have to sell my kidneys.

I already sold my liver for the GE40... brows.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 02:05 PM)
get driver from that msi link  , then uninstall previous driver then restart then install ne driver... please follow this** or you will experience DCP_watchdog Erro BSOD... smile.gif yes i exp with GT 70 ... really annoying i think KILLER thing is overated wifi chip... never had problem when using intel or so on...
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Thanks for the advice mate. I'm giving it another try because I missed the instruction to use Killer Cleaner 64 before installing the latest suite.


Regarding the warranty seal on the bottom hatch, I can only share my experience. I screwed the entire factory HDD partition when I was trying to clone it into the Samsung 840 Pro. Yes, don't ask me how... but that Samsung Data Migration software screwed both the source and target disk lol!

My hatch seal was gone/broken. I took it to MSI in Auburn and the guy didn't even say anything about the broken seal. I did called the call centre and was inform that as long as we're just upgrading RAM and HDD, not doing anything fancy stuff we're ok. So there you go.
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heheehe.... huihui wait when ur MOBO f u c k up... "then ITS not ur Fault" then try to claim... give you very hard time...

*i dunno is just disturbing to know they have total power by saying "no you break warranty seal.. no cover bye bye" if we carry court i think we lost... we only win if were in Europe... lols
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 02:26 PM)
Do remember, MSI-NB nicely worded his reply. "MSI RECCOMENDS...". It was never "MSI WILL VOID WARRANTY UNLESS..."

Similarly, even our beloved Dell "recommends" all upgrades be done by Dell personnel. Illegear too.

I'll take that as a wink2 hush2 way of saying "As long as you don't poke a screwdriver clean through your processor..."

Remember, if MSI does officially condone user mods, all sorts of sheet will happen. WHILE the "sheet" can be worked out, I can understand if MSI doesn't want to be on the receiving end of abusive users taking advantage of that situation.

It's just a legal thing. They have their own asses to protect.

While I'd give an arm and a leg for a company that's brave enough to screw all of this and provide all that freedom OFFICIALLY to their customers, it's not particularly easy to fully implement.

Well, like I said before, as long as they "fairly" judge each warranty claim than it's all good.

ALSO, this "Gamers Meetup" thing might be a good platform to provide users with the opportunity to upgrade. Just take a few techs along and set up an "upgrade/quick service corner", users bring their stuff and the techs can help install them for a small fee (or even better, for free). Also the techs can help clean up user units that have dusty fans or help repaste for a reasonable fee.

Us gamers like these kinda "goodwill gestures". Especially the ones who aren't that proficient in doing things themselves. Does a lot on the CSR side of things. Happy customers are loyal customers after all.

Heck, I'm actually very happy just by having an OFFICIAL MSI rep monitoring the thread. That's already one thing you guys have over other brands, kudos.

That's just me with me long winded 20 cents as usual. YMMV. 

@zakov: GS40? YES PLEASE MSI. But do wait for Maxwell first so that I don't have to sell my kidneys.

I already sold my liver for the GE40... brows.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 04:10 PM)
Thanks for the advice mate. I'm giving it another try because I missed the instruction to use Killer Cleaner 64 before installing the latest suite.
Regarding the warranty seal on the bottom hatch, I can only share my experience. I screwed the entire factory HDD partition when I was trying to clone it into the Samsung 840 Pro. Yes, don't ask me how... but that Samsung Data Migration software screwed both the source and target disk lol!

My hatch seal was gone/broken. I took it to MSI in Auburn and the guy didn't even say anything about the broken seal. I did called the call centre and was inform that as long as we're just upgrading RAM and HDD, not doing anything fancy stuff we're ok. So there you go.
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good to hear that smile.gif
gt and gs70, here i come smile.gif
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@unseen83: I can only suggest maa. I don't want to be the one pulling my hair to implement lol. I lazy.
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QUOTE(180sx @ Sep 6 2013, 04:31 PM)
good to hear that smile.gif
gt and gs70, here i come smile.gif
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Oh by the way, I decided to use the standard DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V modules and it worked without any issues. Wonder why some retailers are so stubborn to insist only DDR3L 1.35V. Funny thing is, they don't have any DDR3L stock when requested to upgrade. Just silly...
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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 5 2013, 06:50 PM)
Let me leave some reference:

stock 8G 1600mhz memory benchie:
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 15FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 14FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  18FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1600Mhz Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 19
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 25FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  25FPS

Dual Channel 8G 1866Mhz CL9 Benchie
GRID 2 HIGH PRESET: AVG 24FPS
METRO:LAST LIGHT 3 RUN VERY HIGH PRESET: 36FPS
COMPANY OF HEROES 2 HIGH SETTING:  31FPS
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is that with the SSD???
And can u put some more games biggrin.gif really need the info about the performance cry.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 04:35 PM)
@unseen83: I can only suggest maa. I don't want to be the one pulling my hair to implement lol. I lazy.
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smile.gif well at end i luv MSI GT70 good product... and i like it when msi make their NB easy to maintain... smile.gif gosh is like gift smile.gif one year or less from now you msg me.. i will sell you my GT70 very good price... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 05:04 PM)
Oh by the way, I decided to use the standard DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V modules and it worked without any issues. Wonder why some retailers are so stubborn to insist only DDR3L 1.35V. Funny thing is, they don't have any DDR3L stock when requested to upgrade. Just silly...
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MSI words smile.gif one day you smell smoke.. or something please note that Retailer and MSI inform you... DDR3 L

lols joke about smoke but... i got 32GB of Low voltage... im happy... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(tWice @ Sep 6 2013, 06:04 PM)
is that with the SSD???
And can u put some more games biggrin.gif really need the info about the performance cry.gif
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get GX70 buy HIGH performance 1866Mhz RAM 16GB !! then experience it!! rclxm9.gif
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Twenty minute hack job. Total damage: RM25 for the CF Vinyl (still a lot left over also).

Next, the screen frame. It's a pain to DIY so I might go get some professional help.

@davidmak: It's not that it WOULDN'T work, it just MIGHT NOT work. Not all 1.5v RAM can run at 1.35v (because that's all Haswell is feeding our RAM with).

So MSI (like Asus) is trying to limit the amount of angry villagers with pitchforks banging on their front door when their 1.5v RAM refuses to work with their shiny new Haswell lappy.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 06:37 PM)
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Twenty minute hack job. Total damage: RM25 for the CF Vinyl (still a lot left over also).

Next, the screen frame. It's a pain to DIY so I might go get some professional help.
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rclxms.gif smile.gif LIKE! oh you do my NB next? i pay...
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wo Eiraku u still keep the LCD plastic protector?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 06:42 PM)
wo  Eiraku u still keep the LCD plastic protector?
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I HATE the shiny black plastic underneath. Better crumpled protector than shiny cheapy plasticky plastic.

And no, my own vinyl work asso shoddy maa. Not straight cut everywhere, how can do for others?

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it look sweetz! job from my screen!
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 06:37 PM)
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Twenty minute hack job. Total damage: RM25 for the CF Vinyl (still a lot left over also).

Next, the screen frame. It's a pain to DIY so I might go get some professional help.
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Pretty neat. The keyboard edges ngam leh. Here is some merit +1 laugh.gif

BTW notice any temperature changes during gaming ?

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 6 2013, 07:03 PM)
Pretty neat. The keyboard edges ngam leh. Here is some merit +1  laugh.gif

BTW notice any temperature changes while gaming  ?
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Didn't try gaming yet. Besides, I'm back at my folks = air conditioning. Sure won't notice anything.

Actually not 100% ngam. My inner perfectionist is SCREAMING but I know if I adjust summore it's just gonna get worse, so better not do anything.

Ended up covering the extremely shiny mouse pad button and the battery edge below the screen too. Now stopping completely before I start wanting to cover the spaces between the chiclet keyboard (which will be horrifically complicated).

But now everything looks extremely stealthy, if not a bit cliché with all the CF everywhere lol.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 6 2013, 06:20 PM)
get GX70  buy HIGH performance 1866Mhz RAM 16GB !! then experience it!!  rclxm9.gif
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bro, is it a good deal if i can get the GX60 below rm5k with spec HD8970M+SSD+8GB RAM 1866MHZ
But, the bottleneck......................... icon_question.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(tWice @ Sep 6 2013, 07:29 PM)
bro, is it a good deal if i can get the GX60 below rm5k with spec HD8970M+SSD+8GB RAM 1866MHZ
But, the bottleneck......................... icon_question.gif  cry.gif
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Hmm. Unless you are hellbent on getting MSI, why not the Illegear RS15 Lite? At least its Intel + 770. Sure you don't get the fun extras like a big adapter for future upgrades to a 780 or shiny colourful keyboard. But that 770 is serious business wooo.

Jusssayin.

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QUOTE(tWice @ Sep 6 2013, 07:29 PM)
bro, is it a good deal if i can get the GX60 below rm5k with spec HD8970M+SSD+8GB RAM 1866MHZ
But, the bottleneck......................... icon_question.gif  cry.gif
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QUOTE(tWice @ Sep 6 2013, 06:04 PM)
is that with the SSD???
And can u put some more games biggrin.gif really need the info about the performance cry.gif
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To sum up, if you are looking for a pure gaming notebook, Intel + Nvidia combo is probably the best.
And since your concern is more towards gaming( and more to MSI in particular) have a look at those benchmarks.

GX70 <<<<< And do read thoroughly.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 07:25 PM)
Didn't try gaming yet. Besides, I'm back at my folks = air conditioning. Sure won't notice anything.

Actually not 100% ngam. My inner perfectionist is SCREAMING but I know if I adjust summore it's just gonna get worse, so better not do anything.

Ended up covering the extremely shiny mouse pad button and the battery edge below the screen too. Now stopping completely before I start wanting to cover the spaces between the chiclet keyboard (which will be horrifically complicated).

But now everything looks extremely stealthy, if not a bit cliché with all the CF everywhere lol.
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I wish the best amongst the best of luck for your mission
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 6 2013, 08:08 PM)
shocking.gif  shocking.gif
I wish the best amongst the best of luck for your mission
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Don't worry, not even going near the keyboard lol. It's just ridiculous.

Testing ME3 now, though I doubt I'm gonna feel anything with the air conditioning going on.

Plus I'm now thinking that this cheapo X-Lite II cooler (which I leave at my folks') ACTUALLY works better than the FUIYOOH U2 Plus. There's just so much air volume it's not funny anymore.

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Don't worry, not even going near the keyboard lol. It's just ridiculous.

Testing ME3 now, though I doubt I'm gonna feel anything with the air conditioning going on.

Plus I'm now thinking that this cheapo X-Lite II cooler (which I leave at my folks') ACTUALLY works better than the FUIYOOH U2 Plus. There's just so much air volume it's not funny anymore.
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Probably for the best. The spaces around the chiclet keys are very narrow. Risky wor.

Yah. I'm surprised how petty the airflow is from the U3 fan, even cranking max fan speed.
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 6 2013, 08:39 PM)
Probably for the best. The spaces around the chiclet keys are very narrow. Risky wor.

Yah. I'm surprised how petty the airflow is from the U3 fan, even cranking max fan speed.
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Problem is with the X-Lite (and everything else for that matter, save for the Deep Cool MultiCores) is that the single huge fan gives greatest air volume... to the center.

My GE40's bloody vents are at the front end lol.

Actually, the U1 fans are bloody good. It's a single fan for one USB connection and it's damn powerful (for such a small fan, that is). I use them stacked with the U2 Plus double fans, which don't even blow half the amount of air as the U1 single fan, even when you add them together. Plus it attaches fine to the U2.

Now thinking of buying another U1 fan from Thundermatch LYP, the ONLY place I know of selling them. They're cheap too.

Oh, and yeah the CF skin helps. Temps are about the same, after taking into account the colder AC air being circulated into the lappy. But the CF skin DOES helps moderate the heat to my palms.

Before it felt like I was putting my hand on a toaster. Now it just feels like someone's warm bum after an hour's worth of exercise... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

The bummy heat lingers a bit longer though, due to the fact that it's not being conducted as efficiently to my palm. Maybe the engineers at MSI intended for the palmrest to serve as a secondary heatsink for the GPU, thinking "gamers will prolly use a gaming keyboard or a Nostromo... why not we...".

rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 6 2013, 09:29 PM)
Problem is with the X-Lite (and everything else for that matter, save for the Deep Cool MultiCores) is that the single huge fan gives greatest air volume... to the center.

My GE40's bloody vents are at the front end lol.

Actually, the U1 fans are bloody good. It's a single fan for one USB connection and it's damn powerful (for such a small fan, that is). I use them stacked with the U2 Plus double fans, which don't even blow half the amount of air as the U1 single fan, even when you add them together. Plus it attaches fine to the U2.

Now thinking of buying another U1 fan from Thundermatch LYP, the ONLY place I know of selling them. They're cheap too.

Oh, and yeah the CF skin helps. Temps are about the same, after taking into account the colder AC air being circulated into the lappy. But the CF skin DOES helps moderate the heat to my palms.

Before it felt like I was putting my hand on a toaster. Now it just feels like someone's warm bum after an hour's worth of exercise...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

The bummy heat lingers a bit longer though, due to the fact that it's not being conducted as efficiently to my palm. Maybe the engineers at MSI intended for the palmrest to serve as a secondary heatsink for the GPU, thinking "gamers will prolly use a gaming keyboard or a Nostromo... why not we...".

rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Regardless of the stock fans, I did notice a change of temperature while gaming, but if time permits, I would opt for the U1 fans, probably a pair, since the U3 has more than enough space for 5 fans. biggrin.gif

I think due to the light build of the ge40, i think the whole lappy feels warm ? And your hand was probably an indirect form of another cooling laugh.gif

Speaking of gaming keyboard, anyone saw the Roccat Ryos?

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Regardless of the stock fans, I did notice a change of temperature while gaming, but if time permits, I would opt for the U1 fans, probably a pair, since the U3 has more than enough space for 5 fans. biggrin.gif

I think due to the light build of the ge40, i think the whole lappy feels warm ? And your hand was probably an indirect form of another cooling  laugh.gif

Speaking of gaming keyboard, anyone saw the Roccat Ryos?
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Actually, post *ehem* repaste *ehem* and also after turning Turbo Boost off, the WASD area (aka. the CPU) never feels even warm, much less the other parts of the laptop lol. Of course putting your hand just an inch over to the left side puts it right over the heatsink fins (read: WARMNESS), but the WASD area itself remains comfortable most of the time.

It's just the extremely hard working GPU and the area around it (dat palmrest).

Not that I didn't anticipate it happening. MSI DID stuff a 760 into a laptop an inch thin after all. I hear the Razer Blade is EVEN HOTTER at full load.

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Hello guys, i just noticed there is a grey spot/ line at the bottom corner of the screen. Any ideas to fix it?

SRY FOR THE FLASH, PLS IGNORE IT.


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ouch! flash hurt my eye...
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OH MY GAWD IM BLIND!

Anyway, is that line inside the screen? If it's just ON the screen some cleaning spray (sprayed onto a CLOTH, not the screen) should help clean it.

If it's inside... Uh... hmm.gif
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Hi guys..I got my MSI GE620 DX one month ago..Its a discontinued version of the MSI Gaming Series but it still packs a punch thou~ Not much info could be found thou..Here is the link of my laptop~

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GE620DX.html...er&os=Win8%2064
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QUOTE(DarkknightDK @ Sep 7 2013, 01:35 AM)
Hi guys..I got my MSI GE620 DX one month ago..Its a discontinued version of the MSI Gaming Series but it still packs a punch thou~ Not much info could be found thou..Here is the link of my laptop~

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GE620DX.html...er&os=Win8%2064
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Welcome! Your lappy looks like a older, bigger brother of the GE40/X460DX/1420 BTW... Nice!

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Welcome! Your lappy looks like a older, bigger brother of the GE40/X460DX/1420 BTW... Nice!
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Haha Thanks!! Oh i see..Yeah, it seems like a low-budget gaming laptop to me compared to the rest of the MSI Gaming Series..But I felt jelly when seeing my mates having new models one ><..Oh well, the price was the best feature I had for this laptop haha!
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Haha Thanks!! Oh i see..Yeah, it seems like a low-budget gaming laptop to me compared to the rest of the MSI Gaming Series..But I felt jelly when seeing my mates having new models one ><..Oh well, the price was the best feature I had for this laptop haha!
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Well MSI has always been about value for money (though I'm not sure how value the top of the line GT70 is at 13k). Yours came with the 555 or the 635 GPU? 555 = Alienware M14xR1 level woooo.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 7 2013, 01:50 AM)
Well MSI has always been about value for money (though I'm not sure how value the top of the line GT70 is at 13k). Yours came with the 555 or the 635 GPU? 555 = Alienware M14xR1 level woooo.
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bro, is it a good deal if i can get the GX60 below rm5k with spec HD8970M+SSD+8GB RAM 1866MHZ
But, the bottleneck......................... icon_question.gif  cry.gif
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My advice is if you're looking for absolute good performance then avoid it. I was considering on getting the GX60/70 laptop too. The 8970M was really attractive. But after watching Youtube videos and forums about it, decided to skip it entirely. Some went to extreme lengths to upgrade the CPU to an ES version so that OC can be done is good testament.

Of course, if you're on a budget but still want all the nice MSI features such as cooler boost, dynaudio, audio boost, etc then its a good buy. Just be prepared to lower down the eye candies hehehe...
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 7 2013, 01:25 AM)
OH MY GAWD IM BLIND!

Anyway, is that line inside the screen? If it's just ON the screen some cleaning spray (sprayed onto a CLOTH, not the screen) should help clean it.

If it's inside... Uh... hmm.gif
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If it's inside, theres no way to fix it? From the looks of it, it seems to be inside. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(kikiboy @ Sep 7 2013, 11:30 AM)
If it's inside, theres no way to fix it?  From the looks of it, it seems to be inside. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(DarkknightDK @ Sep 7 2013, 01:35 AM)
Hi guys..I got my MSI GE620 DX one month ago..Its a discontinued version of the MSI Gaming Series but it still packs a punch thou~ Not much info could be found thou..Here is the link of my laptop~

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GE620DX.html...er&os=Win8%2064
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WElcome @#"_) biggrin.gif
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I got impatient and ended up covering the entire display frame in CF vinyl as well. Nothing fancy, just another half-hour rough hack job. Thankfully it looks half-decent (if not a tad tacky), and at least I'm now completely free from them shiny plastic bits.

Total cost (Palmrest + keyboard sides + display frame): RM50 + about an hour's work cutting and pasting. Quite reasonable considering I have A LOT of CF skin left over.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 8 2013, 12:36 AM)
I got impatient and ended up covering the entire display frame in CF vinyl as well. Nothing fancy, just another half-hour rough hack job. Thankfully it looks half-decent (if not a tad tacky), and at least I'm now completely free from them shiny plastic bits.

Total cost (Palmrest + keyboard sides + display frame): RM50 + about an hour's work cutting and pasting. Quite reasonable considering I have A LOT of CF skin left over.
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yo upload pic please!
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I'm WARNING you, it looks VERY rough.

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I'm WARNING you, it looks VERY rough.

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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif so i think you got talent ! interested to do that on my GT70? are u in KL? next month if i am down KL can you pimp my GT70? yes i pay ! smile.gif
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rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif  so i think you got talent ! interested to do that on my GT70? are you in KL? Next month if i am down KL can you pimp my GT70?  yes i pay ! smile.gif
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Lol. I still consider that an "experiment". It's really not good enough for me to do it with other people's stuff for sure. I'm not confident I won't scratch/break anything/screw up.

Try and DIY lor, much more satisfying. Will take time though.
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so anyone here got he GS70 yet?
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so anyone here got he GS70 yet?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 8 2013, 03:07 AM)
Lol. I still consider that an "experiment". It's really not good enough for me to do it with other people's stuff for sure. I'm not confident I won't scratch/break anything/screw up.

Try and DIY lor, much more satisfying. Will take time though.
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Just bought myself an MSI GX60 3BE Hitman Edition biggrin.gif

I got a question about the warranty page

It looks like below after I register, it is not stated when the warranty ends

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Can someone clarify?

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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 8 2013, 10:08 PM)
Just bought myself an MSI GX60 3BE Hitman Edition  biggrin.gif

I got a question about the warranty page

It looks like below after I register, it is not stated when the warranty ends

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Can someone clarify?
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congratulation ! i want to know how it's gaming performance? and AMD APU really down overall Notebook performance? HOW heat? noise? lols smile.gif

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regarding Warranty registry is "NORM" practice MSI make their Warranty cover Cloudy and confuse lolz... feel like they preparing at any time not to honor their warranty as soon as your notebook fail... "warranty 2 year but let say,NB fail.. bring it into msi authorize service center after 3 month you may be charge..." blush.gif

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best person to clarify is MSI- guy
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congratulation ! i want to know how it's gaming performance? and AMD APU really down overall Notebook performance? HOW heat? noise? lols smile.gif

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regarding Warranty registry  is "NORM" practice MSI make their Warranty cover Cloudy and confuse lolz...  feel like they preparing at any time not to honor their warranty as soon as your notebook fail...  "warranty 2 year but let say,NB fail.. bring it into msi authorize service center after 3 month you may be charge..." blush.gif

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haha, am still backing up files from my current laptop, did not have a chance to play any game on it yet, have to download the Hitman Absolution from the free voucher included in the package first. this is my first gaming laptop, before this only play games on console laugh.gif

their warranty claim is really that bad sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 8 2013, 11:00 PM)
haha, am still backing up files from my current laptop, did not have a chance to play any game on it yet, have to download the Hitman Absolution from the free voucher included in the package first. this is my first gaming laptop, before this only play games on console  laugh.gif

their warranty claim is really that bad  sweat.gif
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oh no! don't let my words make u think it bad... experience it by asking around on their service center... try go 2nd floor low yat msi service center... oh dont be shock when u see center.. and aa.. keep question simple you may scare the guy...
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smile.gif gosh hmm  i almost go for GX70... but at end go for GT70 smile.gif

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oh no! don't let my words make u think it bad...  experience it by asking around on their service center... try go 2nd floor low yat msi service center...  oh dont be shock when u see center.. and aa.. keep question simple you may scare the guy...
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I want to get GX70 at first, but since the specs is the same but the screen is bigger and have to fork extra Rm400 for it, I just settled with GX60 laugh.gif

I got to give the salesperson a big thanks, he patiently explained to me why I should go for GX60 instead of GE60 eventhough GE60 was cheaper.

Hopefully there is nothing wrong with my GX60 any time soon sweat.gif The reason I'm buying this is to play BF4 and Titanfall
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 8 2013, 11:25 PM)
I want to get GX70 at first, but since the specs is the same but the screen is bigger and have to fork extra Rm400 for it, I just settled with GX60  laugh.gif

I got to give the salesperson a big thanks, he patiently explained to me why I should go for GX60 instead of GE60 eventhough GE60 was cheaper.

Hopefully there is nothing wrong with my GX60 any time soon  sweat.gif The reason I'm buying this is to play BF4 and Titanfall
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well GX70 got extra 2 dimms... so max ram 32GB... and AMD APU support fully 1866Mhz Ram smile.gif oh
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well GX70 got extra 2 dimms... so max ram 32GB... and AMD APU support fully 1866Mhz Ram smile.gif oh
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MSI will organize a gamers gathering on this Saturday, 14th Sept at KL.

For all the MSI users, please PM us if you would like to get an invite, limited seats only thumbup.gif


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oh boo i am in JB.... no gathering for me...
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 8 2013, 10:08 PM)
Just bought myself an MSI GX60 3BE Hitman Edition  biggrin.gif

I got a question about the warranty page

It looks like below after I register, it is not stated when the warranty ends

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Can someone clarify?
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Hey welcome! Nice purchase there. Do let us know how's the performance when you game on it.

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By the way I'm back! After days of troubleshooting very random problems from OS to driver issues to drive corruptions. Moral of the story... when MSI says use DDR3L 1.35V modules for Haswell... follow tongue.gif LOL!!!

So I pulled out all the offending DIMMs and restore from my backup image. Lucky I made an exact image copy after I set up the laptop the way I wanted.

On the bright side of things, the performance is fantastic. A big jump from my previous laptop with GTX 660M. World of Tanks is showing 50-70fps at max settings, even when there's a lot of players on the field. Good stuff!
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 9 2013, 08:11 PM)
Hey welcome! Nice purchase there. Do us know how's the performance when you game on it.

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By the way I'm back! After days of troubleshooting very random problems from OS to driver issues to drive corruptions. Moral of the story... when MSI says use DDR3L 1.35V modules for Haswell... follow tongue.gif  LOL!!!

So I pulled out all the offending DIMMs and restore from my backup image. Lucky I made an exact image copy after I set up the laptop the way I wanted.

On the bright side of things, the performance is fantastic. A big jump from my previous laptop with GTX 660M. World of Tanks is showing 50-70fps at max settings, even when there's a lot of players on the field. Good stuff!
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Not gonna argue there. I've been okay so far (zero issues) but yeah, unstable RAM can botch up a LOT of things. I know I argued that 1.5 is usable, BUT that is only if you get LUCKY. There is no guarantee that any 1.5/1.65v stick will work with Haswell, and Russian Roulette isn't good for your laptop.

So guys, unless you don't have a choice (I wanted to play the "authorised dealer RAM addon" card when I bought my GE40 and they didn't have any LoVo), stick with LoVo (DDR3L/1.35v).

New owners: Storm88 has shit loads of LoVo and he's an authorised dealer (AFAIK), so you all know what to do.

On another note, I'm ABSOLUTELY tempted to pledge for Star Citizen now (being a StrikeCom, Freelancer, Starlancer, WingCom and Privateer fanboi that I am) but the TOTAL lack of playable content so far has stopped me so far.

I wonder if I can wait until some form of betas come out before I pledge.

Damn, between SC, BF4, Rainbow6 and Titanfall; I'm gonna be shit broke next year. That's not even with all the other AAA games taken into consideration.

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 9 2013, 08:11 PM)
Hey welcome! Nice purchase there. Do let us know how's the performance when you game on it.

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By the way I'm back! After days of troubleshooting very random problems from OS to driver issues to drive corruptions. Moral of the story... when MSI says use DDR3L 1.35V modules for Haswell... follow tongue.gif  LOL!!!

So I pulled out all the offending DIMMs and restore from my backup image. Lucky I made an exact image copy after I set up the laptop the way I wanted.

On the bright side of things, the performance is fantastic. A big jump from my previous laptop with GTX 660M. World of Tanks is showing 50-70fps at max settings, even when there's a lot of players on the field. Good stuff!
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It seems my GX60 doesn't download the Windows Update, it's just stay there at 0%

Anyone got this issue before? sweat.gif It is running on the ori Win 8 OS btw

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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 9 2013, 11:20 PM)
It seems my GX60 doesn't download the Windows Update, it's just stay there at 0%

Anyone got this issue before?  sweat.gif It is running on the ori Win 8 OS btw
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Just let it be. Windows Update has been like that since... forever. 0% for hours and suddenly 50%. Also, the first update is bound to take a long time, don't worry.

A word of reminder though, DO NOT do any Uxtheme patching before you update - or be ready to refresh/reset/reformat. If you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're fine.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 12:30 AM)
Just let it be. Windows Update has been like that since... forever. 0% for hours and suddenly 50%. Also, the first update is bound to take a long time, don't worry.

A word of reminder though, DO NOT do any Uxtheme patching before you update - or be ready to refresh/reset/reformat. If you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're fine.
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I'm still quite new with this gaming laptop stuff tongue.gif

Eventhough the cooling system found on gaming laptop, the usage of the notebook cooler is still a must?

Any recommendation of which cpu temp app I should use?

My last 3 laptop, if I'm at home,I just take out the battery and just use the power adaptor. Is that recommended for my GX60? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 9 2013, 11:20 PM)
It seems my GX60 doesn't download the Windows Update, it's just stay there at 0%

Anyone got this issue before?  sweat.gif It is running on the ori Win 8 OS btw
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Ah it seems that someone had ask this earlier than me, got my MSi GX60 yesterday and this morning had the exact same thing. I guess I'll have to wait also doh.gif
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@jiayi29 and Jomjolu: Welcome to the MSI family!!!

QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 10 2013, 01:32 AM)
I'm still quite new with this gaming laptop stuff   tongue.gif

Eventhough the cooling system found on gaming laptop, the usage of the notebook cooler is  still a must?

Any recommendation of which cpu temp app I should use?

My last 3 laptop, if I'm at home,I just take out the battery and just use the power adaptor. Is that recommended for my GX60?  sweat.gif
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CPU temp apps? I personally use HWiNFO64, it's tiny, quick, is native 64-bit and provides all the info I need in cute tiny coloured tray icons. Plus it works with the MSI Afterburner app to provide in-game OSD for temp-monitoring (read: you can check your temps IN GAME). Finally because the developer is a nice guy who QUICKLY repairs whatever problems you can report about his app (personal experience).

If you need more WOW bling bling effects, try out Rainmeter. For ULTIMATE customization, there's Samurize, but that's effing hard to set up.

As for laptop coolers, it depends; but generally they DO help. Take care in purchasing a cooler though, don't get something that pushes air into the wrong places (check your air intake vents first), and the cheapest "good" cooler I can recommend is the Coolermaster X-Lite II, as it uses a huge-ass fan that blows air EVERYWHERE.

As for batteries and plugs... Well, let me tell you a story. I tried gaming on the GE40 with my battery out one time and my adapter got fried. Bzzzt pop. So, while taking the battery out helps prolong the life of the battery, it MIGHT kill (or at least shorten the life of) your adapter - especially if your laptop (the GX60) has strange power consumption habits like my GE40 (130++w max power intake, 90w adapter provided. Go figure).

Also if your laptop has NOS advertised (like certain other MSIs like the GT70) DON'T PULL OUT YOUR BATTERY because NOS is just MSI's fancy way of saying "we know for sure this thing will require more power than just your adapter can provide at full load".

But then again, the battery is RM500++ and universal adapters are RM100++, so uh... it's your call.

@Unseen83: Is it a "Driver Power State Failure" BSOD? If that's the case it's your Bluetooth. Bluetooth has been throwing this error SINCE Vista and I have NO IDEA why Microsoft isn't fixing it.

All you need to do is to uncheck "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" under Hardware --> Generic Bluetooth Adapter (or whatever) --> Properties (click on the admin button) --> Power Management. Poof, no more Bluetooth BSODs.

That said, besides that particular Bluetooth BSOD (and that HORRIFYING Uxtheme Windows Update conflict that needed me to completely RESET the laptop - PLEASE USE UXSTYLE TO THEME WINDOWS PEOPLE), I have NEVER had any other BSODs or such issues so far.

EDIT: "Kernel-Power 41 (63) error" seems to be related to audio driver conflicts. One guy had 3 audio drivers installed at the same time (lolwut?) and he got that error. Try checking your audio drivers if you you get this.

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QUOTE(Jomjolu @ Sep 10 2013, 10:19 AM)
Ah it seems that someone had ask this earlier than me, got my MSi  GX60 yesterday and this morning had the exact same thing. I guess I'll have to wait also  doh.gif
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so really have to wait for it smile.gif

you bought the Hitman edition as well?
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EDIT: "Kernel-Power 41 (63) error" seems to be related to audio driver conflicts. One guy had 3 audio drivers installed at the same time (lolwut?) and he got that error. Try checking your audio drivers if you you get this.
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i know it's weird but i have 5 different audio drivers installed in this system currently (via system sound; asus xonar u7 usb; sb tactic 3d sigma usb; sb recon3d usb; and steelseries 7h usb). no such issue so far.

however, maybe the usb sound will not have such conflicts (plus i don't plug all in at the same time).

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@jiayi29 and Jomjolu: Welcome to the MSI family!!!
CPU temp apps? I personally use HWiNFO64, it's tiny, quick, is native 64-bit and provides all the info I need in cute tiny coloured tray icons. Plus it works with the MSI Afterburner app to provide in-game OSD for temp-monitoring (read: you can check your temps IN GAME). Finally because the developer is a nice guy who QUICKLY repairs whatever problems you can report about his app (personal experience).

If you need more WOW bling bling effects, try out Rainmeter. For ULTIMATE customization, there's Samurize, but that's effing hard to set up.

As for laptop coolers, it depends; but generally they DO help. Take care in purchasing a cooler though, don't get something that pushes air into the wrong places (check your air intake vents first), and the cheapest "good" cooler I can recommend is the Coolermaster X-Lite II, as it uses a huge-ass fan that blows air EVERYWHERE.

As for batteries and plugs... Well, let me tell you a story. I tried gaming on the GE40 with my battery out one time and my adapter got fried. Bzzzt pop. So, while taking the battery out helps prolong the life of the battery, it MIGHT kill (or at least shorten the life of) your adapter - especially if your laptop (the GX60) has strange power consumption habits like my GE40 (130++w max  power intake, 90w adapter provided. Go figure).

Also if your laptop has NOS advertised (like certain other MSIs like the GT70) DON'T PULL OUT YOUR BATTERY because NOS is just MSI's fancy way of saying "we know for sure this thing will require more power than just your adapter can provide at full load".

But then again, the battery is RM500++ and universal adapters are RM100++, so uh... it's your call.

@Unseen83: Is it a "Driver Power State Failure" BSOD? If that's the case it's your Bluetooth. Bluetooth has been throwing this error SINCE Vista and I have NO IDEA why Microsoft isn't fixing it.

All you need to do is to uncheck "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" under Hardware --> Generic Bluetooth Adapter (or whatever) --> Properties (click on the admin button) --> Power Management. Poof, no more Bluetooth BSODs.

That said, besides that particular Bluetooth BSOD (and that HORRIFYING Uxtheme Windows Update conflict that needed me to completely RESET the laptop - PLEASE USE UXSTYLE TO THEME WINDOWS PEOPLE), I have NEVER had any other BSODs or such issues so far.

EDIT: "Kernel-Power 41 (63) error" seems to be related to audio driver conflicts. One guy had 3 audio drivers installed at the same time (lolwut?) and he got that error. Try checking your audio drivers if you you get this.
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just download HWiNFO64, good stuff smile.gif thanks for the suggestion

gonna head down to lowyat again today to buy the Coolermaster X-Lite II

so far it's been 2 days I used my laptop with the battery taken out and still looks ok smile.gif
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 10 2013, 12:57 PM)
just download HWiNFO64, good stuff  smile.gif thanks for the suggestion

gonna head down to lowyat again today to buy the Coolermaster X-Lite II

so far it's been 2 days I used my laptop with the battery taken out and still looks ok smile.gif
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Word of caution though, the pop-up legs on the X-Lite II gets a bit... loose. Also some of the DeepCool single fans also seem okay, as their more expensive "MultiCore" with 4x fans.

Lastly there's also the Coolermaster U2/U3, but be prepared to buy extra U1 fans from Thundermatch LYP because frankly, the U2/U3 fans suck.

As for the battery, if it's okay for you then no worries. I think the 120w AC adapter should be enough.

QUOTE(horns @ Sep 10 2013, 12:46 PM)
i know it's weird but i have 5 different audio drivers installed in this system currently (via system sound; asus xonar u7 usb; sb tactic 3d sigma usb; sb recon3d usb; and steelseries 7h usb). no such issue so far.

however, maybe the usb sound will not have such conflicts (plus i don't plug all in at the same time).
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Well, the guy had 3 drivers FOR ONE DEVICE (his onboard sound) lol. Different drivers for different audio cards/chipsets (including "virtual" devices like the Razer Surround thingy) should be no issue.

But than again "drivers" have long been something like alchemy, ever since the early days. It's part science, part luck and part godforsaken black magic mambo jumbo LOL.

@Unseen83:. Mind sharing the link to the Killer 1202 WIFI drivers that you used? I'm getting it soon (found one for cheap) and hopefully I can sidestep that BSOD you got.

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Well, the guy had 3 drivers FOR ONE DEVICE (his onboard sound) lol. Different drivers for different audio cards/chipsets (including "virtual" devices like the Razer Surround thingy) should be no issue.

But than again "drivers" have long been something like alchemy, ever since the early days. It's part science, part luck and  part godforsaken black magic mambo jumbo LOL.

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.. damn.

pity the OS trying to make sense of things eventually gave up and showed him the blue face.

yeah drivers are always mysterious. with so many driver helpers that work in the background, sometimes it's really a PITA to troubleshooting the actual problems. event logs might be helpful but most of the times you just have no idea what happened :/
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 10 2013, 02:14 PM)
.. damn.

pity the OS trying to make sense of things eventually gave up and showed him the blue face.

yeah drivers are always mysterious. with so many driver helpers that work in the background, sometimes it's really a PITA to troubleshooting the actual problems. event logs might be helpful but most of the times you just have no idea what happened :/
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Event logs lol. Reminds me of last month when I was trying to figure out WTF was causing my GE40 to not boot (the uxtheme issue). Googling other similar cases usually work better than diagnosing event logs, at least in most cases.

But yeah, drivers. They either work... or don't, with nary a clue why. Real hocus pocus lol.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 02:30 PM)
Event logs lol. Reminds me of last month when I was trying to figure out WTF was causing my GE40 to not boot (the uxtheme issue). Googling other similar cases usually work better than diagnosing event logs, at least in most cases.

But yeah, drivers. They either work... or don't, with nary a clue why. Real hocus pocus lol.
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well yeah google is much better smile.gif normally i just look for more clues in certain areas of the event viewer before i google haha
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 10 2013, 12:40 PM)
waited about 30 mins, and suddenly the progress % did shoot up to 56%

so really have to wait for it  smile.gif

you bought the Hitman edition as well?
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yeah man i bought the hitman edition as well smile.gif
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LoL..

Eiraku will never let that experience with his adapters go... tongue.gif

Do batteries really cost that much? RM 500?

Also, while batteries costs RM 500 and adapter costs RM 100... the headache and time spent on friend adapters = priceless tongue.gif

There are some things money can't buy.. for others, there's Master Card.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 10:55 AM)

EDIT: "Kernel-Power 41 (63) error" seems to be related to audio driver conflicts. One guy had 3 audio drivers installed at the same time (lolwut?) and he got that error. Try checking your audio drivers if you you get this.
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yes i had that BSOD twice this week... but i have not install any new driver on sound cards or you mean i need to update my sound cards.. i think i google this problem before somebody did mention it's sound driver... but kinda make sense... im watching 3 movie at same time...
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QUOTE(Jomjolu @ Sep 10 2013, 05:38 PM)
@eiraku - thanks mang eiraku  biggrin.gif

yeah man i bought the hitman edition as well  smile.gif
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WOW Russian Gas mask! that is epic! i am sooo MEtro LasT LiGht FAN!! waah does it work? (i read on threads say NOt effective) ... but i very prefer do COD... soo cool! producT! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

p/s: im teaching at UTHM i am soo wear this mask on/to seminar ! shoW one of the item need health safety ... lolZ

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 10 2013, 05:59 PM)
LoL..

Eiraku will never let that experience with his adapters go... tongue.gif

Do batteries really cost that much? RM 500?

Also, while batteries costs RM 500 and adapter costs RM 100... the headache and time spent on friend adapters = priceless tongue.gif

There are some things money can't buy.. for others, there's Master Card.
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anyone interested 2GB and 4GB 1600Mhz RAM is from my previous leftover upgrade from my 8 month ago NB... smile.gif

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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 9 2013, 11:20 PM)
It seems my GX60 doesn't download the Windows Update, it's just stay there at 0%

Anyone got this issue before?  sweat.gif It is running on the ori Win 8 OS btw
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biggrin.gif wow my problem is not wanted WIN8 update... to a dodgy patch... lolz
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QUOTE(Jomjolu @ Sep 10 2013, 05:38 PM)
@eiraku - thanks mang eiraku  biggrin.gif

yeah man i bought the hitman edition as well  smile.gif
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Mind me asking how much you got for it?

And I notice on mine, after removing Norton Internet security trial the start up is much more faster smile.gif

Up until now still did not have a chance playing any games on it yet laugh.gif how about you? others are already asking question how GX60 performs, haha
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 9 2013, 08:35 PM)
Not gonna argue there. I've been okay so far (zero issues) but yeah, unstable RAM can botch up a LOT of things. I know I argued that 1.5 is usable, BUT that is only if you get LUCKY. There is no guarantee that any 1.5/1.65v stick will work with Haswell, and Russian Roulette isn't good for your laptop. 

So guys, unless you don't have a choice (I wanted to play the "authorised dealer RAM addon" card when I bought my GE40 and they didn't have any LoVo), stick with LoVo (DDR3L/1.35v).

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I guess its a hit or miss thing. I've been reading about the issue. Apparently some regular DDR3 (1.5V) can operate well with mobile Haswell. So if you get some good binned chips, they would work. Some wouldn't cope with the lower voltage and hence you get all sorts of RAM related issues. My old DDR3 modules were very tricky. They appear to post, boot and operate well. But somewhere deep, some weird issue has been brewing.

QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 9 2013, 10:11 PM)
what model msi NB you using?  have u exp BSOD call Power Kernel code 41(63) ? is like random error...  i notice got it from every time i go on major upgrade... but then is no more BSOD... and Driver always get corrupt but is easy fix just re-install driver... (corrupt also random/ Gpu /Sound or wifi driver)
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Mate, I'm on the GT70 2OC. Nope, never saw the BSOD (Power Kernel code 41/63) before. I only saw 0x0003b once immediately after log into Windows 8, then it restart. I've also seen the display go wonky with a lot of lines and then restart. On one occasion the advanced startup (for diagnostics) wouldn't boot. Then once in awhile, I get driver failure here and there. Was diagnosing one after another. Then it occur to me that perhaps it was the RAM. Took them off, restore from image. Has been rock solid ever since.

By the way, I still have 3 remaining problems:

1. I'm on the latest Killer 1202 driver. Every time when Windows 8 boots up, the wireless connection would be disconnected. It'll take awhile before it'll connect. I can see that it already detect the SSID (it appear on the list), but just wouldn't connect to it. Unless I give it some time and it'll connect automatically.

2. On random times, the Killer 1202 would lose connection, especially when I come out of a full screen application such as a game. During online gaming, its rock solid. Never lose connection at all.

3. Does your device manager list 'Intel Display Audio' under the Sound section? When I was re-installing both Intel and Nvidia drivers, I saw that appear in device manager but with a halt sign (status power failure). Then it disappear. I remember Intel Display Audio is for routing sound through the HDMI connection. But isn't the HDMI and Display port powered/hardwired to the Nvidia card anyway? I tried plugging it into a TV, sound works just fine through the HDMI.
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@Elysian: It's a terribad MSI oversight, supplying 90w adapters for a laptop that sucks 130w at full load. AND that was the ONLY real issue I have had with the GE40 anyway lol, everything else has been super.

@davidmak: Oh mai. I'm waiting for my 1202 to come in to replace my Intel Advanced-N (which in turn replaced the single-band Azurewave crap MSI was bundling with the GE40). I got a Broadcom BCM943228HMB too from eBay but that came faulty (ugh).

Yeah, I've gone through 3 WIFI cards already. Now using the Intel, which ONLY works with the standard Win8 driver - upgrading it to anything newer from Intel makes it stupid lol.

Don't tell me the 1202 has issues too. Sheesh.

Does ANYONE make GOOD, SOLID WIFI cards ANYMORE?

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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 10 2013, 09:38 PM)
Mind me asking how much you got for it?

And I notice on mine, after removing Norton Internet security trial the start up is much more faster  smile.gif

Up until now still did not have a chance playing any games on it yet  laugh.gif how about you? others are already asking question how GX60 performs, haha
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 12:38 AM)
@Elysian: It's a terribad MSI oversight, supplying 90w adapters for a laptop that sucks 130w at full load. AND that was the ONLY real issue I have had with the GE40 anyway lol, everything else has been super.

@davidmak: Oh mai. I'm waiting for my 1202 to come in to replace my Intel Advanced-N (which in turn replaced the single-band Azurewave crap MSI was bundling with the GE40). I got a Broadcom BCM943228HMB too from eBay but that came faulty (ugh).

Yeah, I've gone through 3 WIFI cards already. Now using the Intel, which ONLY works with the standard Win8 driver - upgrading it to anything newer from Intel makes it stupid lol.

Don't tell me the 1202 has issues too. Sheesh.

Does ANYONE make GOOD, SOLID WIFI cards ANYMORE?
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 10 2013, 11:17 PM)

Mate, I'm on the GT70 2OC. Nope, never saw the BSOD (Power Kernel code 41/63) before. I only saw 0x0003b once immediately after log into Windows 8, then it restart. I've also seen the display go wonky with a lot of lines and then restart. On one occasion the advanced startup (for diagnostics) wouldn't boot. Then once in awhile, I get driver failure here and there. Was diagnosing one after another. Then it occur to me that perhaps it was the RAM. Took them off, restore from image. Has been rock solid ever since.

By the way, I still have 3 remaining problems:

1. I'm on the latest Killer 1202 driver. Every time when Windows 8 boots up, the wireless connection would be disconnected. It'll take awhile before it'll connect. I can see that it already detect the SSID (it appear on the list), but just wouldn't connect to it. Unless I give it some time and it'll connect automatically.

2. On random times, the Killer 1202 would lose connection, especially when I come out of a full screen application such as a game. During online gaming, its rock solid. Never lose connection at all.

3. Does your device manager list 'Intel Display Audio' under the Sound section? When I was re-installing both Intel and Nvidia drivers, I saw that appear in device manager but with a halt sign (status power failure). Then it disappear. I remember Intel Display Audio is for routing sound through the HDMI connection. But isn't the HDMI and Display port powered/hardwired to the Nvidia card anyway? I tried plugging it into a TV, sound works just fine through the HDMI.
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Answer..
1, yes i exp that.. how i fix it, by download driver on MSI site, then uninstall factory default driver... then restart then install new driver . this method fix my problem smile.gif..

2, the 1 fix this also... yes i am a very lucky cave man...lolz

3,i also have same issues but i fix it by download new driver intel site.. make sure latest one...

Note. don't bother download on killer site they have stupid server issues past month... go Msi site download all you need before uninstall intel/killer driver... icon_rolleyes.gif
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ah buddy .. i give A on writing... super clear
Answer..
1, yes i exp that.. how i fix it, by download driver on MSI site, then uninstall factory default driver... then restart then install new driver . this method fix my problem smile.gif..

2, the 1 fix this also... yes i am a very lucky cave man...lolz

3,i also have same issues but i fix it by download new driver intel site.. make sure latest one...

Note. don't bother download on killer site they have  stupid server issues past month... go Msi site download all you need before uninstall intel/killer driver...   icon_rolleyes.gif
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The MSI GT70 page has the Killer 1202 Win8 drivers I need rite? Thanks bro.

And yes. We're all talking theory here, I haven't really done anything to my GE40... ehem.

Now, to go back to watching videos... ehem.

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Still waiting for your stock GE40 Ram stick. biggrin.gif
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Been so busy lately. I'll PM you tonight on that!

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I'm glad to see that there are many MSI gaming laptop owners now.

Most of you are using Windows 8? Isn't it better to use Win 7 for gaming?

Besides that, I guess you wouldn't face as much problem with drivers in Win7.

Btw, great job on the event organising specially for MSI gamers wink.gif
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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Sep 11 2013, 02:42 PM)
I'm glad to see that there are many MSI gaming laptop owners now.

Most of you are using Windows 8? Isn't it better to use Win 7 for gaming?

Besides that, I guess you wouldn't face as much problem with drivers in Win7.

Btw, great job on the event organising specially for MSI gamers wink.gif
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QUOTE(kenysl @ Sep 11 2013, 12:35 AM)
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 11 2013, 02:53 PM)
no error cannot be overcome with mighty MSI NB !!  flex.gif  and nowdays NB come win8... so wat the heck use it... i just add start button remove metro look boom! win8 masquerade as win7!! that why i like win8 able to turn it into win7... lolz rclxms.gif
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Ya, but still, Windows 7 is still preferable. Until today, I have not converted over to the Win 8 due to compatibility issues and the interface. I don't like the swiping gesture using a mouse, it seems silly though it actually takes time to adapt to it.

I still like Windows 7 the way it is.

Anyway, what is the average price of a GT70-2OD in Malaysia anyway? Above 6k for sure?

I've been with my rig for 2 years, still kicking ass with games at acceptable graphical performance, haha. Definitely no regrets buying it for the performance that it can offer. Except now it has temperature issues after I fixed my display cover, currently at maintenance.

Anyone tried Super Raid 2? Worth the money? 0_o


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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:05 PM)
Ya, but still, Windows 7 is still preferable. Until today, I have not converted over to the Win 8 due to compatibility issues and the interface. I don't like the swiping gesture using a mouse, it seems silly though it actually takes time to adapt to it.

I still like Windows 7 the way it is.

Anyway, what is the average price of a GT70-2OD in Malaysia anyway? Above 6k for sure?

I've been with my rig for 2 years, still kicking ass with games at acceptable graphical performance, haha. Definitely no regrets buying it for the performance that it can offer. Except now it has temperature issues after I fixed my display cover, currently at maintenance.

Anyone tried Super Raid 2? Worth the money? 0_o
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well 2 year ago i also have NB with win7... smile.gif oh and i do also have win7 pro box/Euro edition wanna buy not use(planing to built desktop but to poor).

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Edit: i swap my super raid to sata3 so normal ssd for me.. and discount my gt70 price smile.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:19 PM)
well 2 year ago i also have NB with win7... smile.gif  oh and i  do also have win7 pro box/Euro edition wanna buy not use(planing to built desktop but to poor).

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Edit: i swap my super raid to sata3  so normal ssd for me.. and discount my gt70 price smile.gif
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Haha, nice try dude. I'm not buying, just trying to speculate the market for gaming notebooks in Malaysia. With the demand getting higher, it would get more affordable in the future =)

I won't be buying 1 until next 2-3 years, still satisfied with mine and I still feel there are certain technology that are still new and needs to mature a while.

Killer 1202 has been out for a while, I'm looking forward for the same type of Killer 1202 but with an extra antenna, that would be great thumbup.gif

I'm actually very curious about the Super Raid 2, I wonder if it's actually worth investing on for just a gamer and some minor editing work.

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hi i heard that msi warranty void stick under the screw doesn't matter... that you can do it yourself but it doesn't void the warranty, that the MSI people themselves will break the sticker when they open the laptop...

Is it true?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 10 2013, 08:11 PM)
anyone interested 2GB and 4GB 1600Mhz RAM is from my previous leftover upgrade from my 8 month ago NB... smile.gif

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offer me! and regarding Sticker as long as you break it to upgrade RAM and HDD is okay..smile.gif
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Haha, nice try dude. I'm not buying, just trying to speculate the market for gaming notebooks in Malaysia. With the demand getting higher, it would get more affordable in the future =)

I won't be buying 1 until next 2-3 years, still satisfied with mine and I still feel there are certain technology that are still new and needs to mature a while.

Killer 1202 has been out for a while, I'm looking forward for the same type of Killer 1202 but with an extra antenna, that would be great  thumbup.gif

I'm actually very curious about the Super Raid 2, I wonder if it's actually worth investing on for just a gamer and some minor editing work.
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killer 1202 dont like it... i still have slow poke broadband so no matter what wifi kards i have.. "wont make turtle out run cheetah"
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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:05 PM)
Ya, but still, Windows 7 is still preferable. Until today, I have not converted over to the Win 8 due to compatibility issues and the interface. I don't like the swiping gesture using a mouse, it seems silly though it actually takes time to adapt to it.

I still like Windows 7 the way it is.

Anyway, what is the average price of a GT70-2OD in Malaysia anyway? Above 6k for sure?

I've been with my rig for 2 years, still kicking ass with games at acceptable graphical performance, haha. Definitely no regrets buying it for the performance that it can offer. Except now it has temperature issues after I fixed my display cover, currently at maintenance.

Anyone tried Super Raid 2? Worth the money? 0_o
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Well, first, like Unseen83 said, it comes free with the computer so why not use it. Not to mention that Win8 removes much of the "candy" that Vista/7 introduced (aero and stuff) and this streamlines UI performance to a noticeable degree. Plus we get DirectX 11.1, which might just make or break next gen games. And there's 8.1, which sounds like a glimmer of hope that Microsoft will at least make SOME stuff better.

In the end, most of my games and mods work fine under 8 anyway so I couldn't be bothered to downgrade. The swiping (and most of the other Modern crap) can readily be turned off, and the ORIGINAL WINDOWS start button (not a third party program) can be added with StartIsBack.

On the minus side, however, is the fact that the UI is MASSIVELY FRAGMENTED - the Metro/Modern and Desktop divide is SO EFFING OBVIOUS. They could have just made it one unified UI and NOT be so confused whether they wanted to make it a Tablet OS or a Desktop OS.

That and the before mentioned driver issues. But hell, 7 had it's fair share of driver problems during its earlier years too.

But really, when I think about it I think I'm cursed to use WONKY OSes to begin with. My M1210 came with Vista, which I used for 7 years. Now it's Win8's turn.

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:47 PM)
offer me! and regarding Sticker as long as you break it to upgrade RAM and HDD is okay..smile.gif
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erm upgrade ssd leh? what is ok and what is not ok... did they put anything in writing? Otherwise one day they beh song they can insist that the seal is broken too bad...

So when they upgrade they got break the seal or not... stupid seal is making me so turned off from buying this MSI people are so stupid

about the ram let me think about it first since you got no price

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QUOTE(JieXian @ Sep 11 2013, 04:01 PM)
erm upgrade ssd leh? what is ok and what is not ok... did they put anything in writing? Otherwise one day they beh song they can insist that the seal is broken too bad...

So when they upgrade they got break the seal or not... stupid seal is making me so turned off from buying this MSI people are so stupid

about the ram let me think about it first since you got no price
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Lol. Every body else also never put in writing can upgrade or not. Dell, Lenovo included.

But yeah, nothing in writing. You can always go to MSI to make them upgrade for you.

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at the early days of adapting to w8, i was uncomfortable with it also (the famous start button syndrome:)). it's like i always go to the usual places for tools but they are not there.

however, since i'm used to most win key combos, things were getting better in a week. i just need to learn 2 more win keys, win+x to access system menus, and win+i to access power button. the rest is almost the same.

now all the programs i use for home and work are already made compliant to w8. i'm now looking forward to upgrading to w8.1 lol!
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 04:13 PM)
Lol. Every body else also never put in writing can upgrade or not. Dell, Lenovo included.

But yeah, nothing in writing. You can always go to MSI to make them upgrade for you.
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...But Dell and Lenovo don't have that stupid warranty void sticker............. I was referring to the warranty sticker that's making me very hesistant on buying MSI

I coul la but if I have to it's a put off because I need to waste a lot of time and money to drive there and wait for them some more...

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QUOTE(JieXian @ Sep 11 2013, 05:00 PM)
...But Dell and Lenovo don't have that stupid warranty void sticker............. I was referring to the warranty sticker that's making me very hesistant on buying MSI

I coul la but if I have to it's a put off because I need to waste a lot of time and money to drive there and wait for them some more...
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Acer actually has the stickers too. Dell/Lenovo has some void stickers INSIDE (last I checked anyway).

The WORD from the MSI representative on this thread (MSI-NB) is that "it's not recommended to do your own upgrades". He DID NOT say "prohibited". Also, he (she?) says that if the seal is "broken" by an authorised MSI dealer to add RAM, it's fine.

So take it as you will.

What I DO understand is ONLY the RAM and the Storage Device can be touched at all. Touch anything else and RISK voiding your warranty.

@MSI-NB (if he stops by): Regarding MSI Gamer activities, any word on a BF3/Hawken whatever FPS gathering? I'm not really a DOTA guy.

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 11 2013, 04:57 PM)
at the early days of adapting to w8, i was uncomfortable with it also (the famous start button syndrome:)). it's like i always go to the usual places for tools but they are not there.

however, since i'm used to most win key combos, things were getting better in a week. i just need to learn 2 more win keys, win+x to access system menus, and win+i to access power button. the rest is almost the same.

now all the programs i use for home and work are already made compliant to w8. i'm now looking forward to upgrading to w8.1 lol!
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 05:22 PM)
Acer actually has the stickers too. Dell/Lenovo has some void stickers INSIDE (last I checked anyway).

The WORD from the MSI representative on this thread (MSI-NB) is that "it's not recommended to do your own upgrades". He DID NOT say "prohibited". Also, he (she?) says that if the seal is "broken" by an authorised MSI dealer to add RAM, it's fine.

So take it as you will.

What I DO understand is ONLY the RAM and the Storage Device can be touched at all. Touch anything else and RISK voiding your warranty.

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flex.gif and thx for info... "why not msi change sticker into "NOOB will void Warranty if breaks" lolz joke or "another sticker saying any UN authorized upgrade of hardware may void warranty except RAM and HDD/SSD
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 11 2013, 05:55 PM)
flex.gif  and thx for info... "why not msi change sticker into "NOOB will void  Warranty if breaks" lolz joke or "another sticker saying any UN authorized upgrade of hardware may void warranty except RAM and HDD/SSD
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Because more printed words = more cost amirite? Simple is cheap.
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QUOTE(JieXian @ Sep 11 2013, 04:01 PM)
erm upgrade ssd leh? what is ok and what is not ok... did they put anything in writing? Otherwise one day they beh song they can insist that the seal is broken too bad...

So when they upgrade they got break the seal or not... stupid seal is making me so turned off from buying this MSI people are so stupid

about the ram let me think about it first since you got no price
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SSD OR RAM no problem buddy smile.gif but MSI recommend" you to upgrade MSI authorize center... but be careful some MSI authorized service center trying to act UN-ethical like saying there extra service charge.. just call MSI care center to confirm any charge if still under warranty period... smile.gif

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if you worried about sticker so much i know on second floor low yat sell small warranty sticker is identical sticker.. interested? lol so you break it u just replace with this one look same smile.gif lolz

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*EHEM*groupbuythestickerslahwoi*EHEM*

Feel like putting it over every key on the keyboard just to troll them lololololol.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 06:02 PM)
Because more printed words = more cost amirite? Simple is cheap.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 06:05 PM)
*EHEM*groupbuythestickerslahwoi*EHEM*

Feel like putting it over every key on the keyboard just to troll them lololololol.
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hahaha go ahead!!

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 10 2013, 06:47 PM)
WOW Russian Gas mask! that is epic! i am sooo MEtro LasT LiGht  FAN!!  waah does it work? (i read on threads say NOt effective) ... but i very prefer do COD...  soo cool! producT! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

p/s: im teaching at UTHM i am soo wear this mask on/to seminar ! shoW one of the item need health safety ... lolZ
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I couldn't guarantee if it's effective in events of biological warfare and such or any situation like in Metro tongue.gif
where's your location bro?
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QUOTE(fox_shinoda @ Sep 10 2013, 09:38 PM)
Mind me asking how much you got for it?

And I notice on mine, after removing Norton Internet security trial the start up is much more faster  smile.gif

Up until now still did not have a chance playing any games on it yet  laugh.gif how about you? others are already asking question how GX60 performs, haha
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I got it for RM4050, wht bout you?

havent had the chance too bro maybe this weekend. haha
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QUOTE(Jomjolu @ Sep 11 2013, 07:05 PM)
I couldn't guarantee if it's effective in events of biological warfare and such or any situation like in Metro  tongue.gif
where's your location bro?
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i am in BP Johor or i can go KL smile.gif where u
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i am in BP Johor or i can go KL smile.gif where u
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Then you could come to the gathering. I dont see why you say you cant lol. biggrin.gif

Anyways, anyone else going? Also, hoping there is other game events besides dota. I tried back playing against AI(insane). Gosh I sucked. Must have lost my magic in 3 years dry.gif
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QUOTE(Jomjolu @ Sep 11 2013, 07:06 PM)
I got it for RM4050, wht bout you?

havent had the chance too bro maybe this weekend. haha
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Got mine for RM3950 from I-Universe Low Yat.

Yeah same here, too busy with work plus reached home quite late for gaming session, totally gonna spend time this weekend biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 11 2013, 07:47 PM)
Then you could come to the gathering. I dont see why you say you cant lol. biggrin.gif

Anyways, anyone else going? Also, hoping there is other game events besides dota. I tried back playing against AI(insane). Gosh I sucked. Must have lost my magic in 3 years  dry.gif
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haha so i drive 3 hour Just to hang out msi gathering.. WOW Epic... yawn.gif
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haha so i drive 3 hour Just to hang out msi gathering.. WOW Epic... yawn.gif
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Well, it would be more meaningful than driving 3 hours for an item and driving 3 hours back. Or , try killing 2 birds with 1 stone, since you did mention in your previous post that you're coming to KL, set up to a meet at the 14th, then come to the gathering(if you are interested). Your call, not forcing though, just a suggestion. nod.gif


Regarding the event, there will be only dota2 dry.gif

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MSI Gaming Notebook fans and users: MSI Notebook Malaysia and StashDen is hosting a gathering this Saturday with SteelSeries prizes to be given away, and every participant will receive a free copy of Far Cry 3. Anyone interested? The details are in the spoilers below.

MSI Gamer Gathering Facebook event page

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 11 2013, 09:22 PM)
Well, it would be more meaningful than driving 3 hours for an item and driving 3 hours back. Or , try killing 2 birds with 1 stone, since you did mention in your previous post that you're coming to KL, set up to a meet at the 14th, then come to the gathering(if you are interested). Your call, not forcing though, just a suggestion.  nod.gif
Regarding the event, there will be only dota2  dry.gif
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dota2... my beast for playing dota2... ? dota2...  shakehead.gif
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We must wait for BF3 meeting. Though I n00b lol.
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ooh never play BF3 before... doh.gif but gathering chance to win FC3 nd alot few goodies.. wow MSI is really showing their luvv.. lols
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Hi guys.. wanna ask
For budget of Max 4k..
Which version should best benefits me?
For gaming and programming in future.
Read review on GX60 for the underperformance APU bottleneck the GPU, any ways to improve the processor performance?

Prefer a gaming laptop that runs cool.
Don't rly emphasis screen size , etc.
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 12:36 AM)
Hi guys.. wanna ask
For budget of Max 4k..
Which version should best benefits me?
For gaming and programming in future.
Read review on GX60 for the underperformance APU bottleneck the GPU, any ways to improve the processor performance?

Prefer a gaming laptop that runs cool.
Don't rly emphasis screen size , etc.
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Remain with Intel if you need speed to compile programs and stuff. Otherwise, yeah, the AMD CPU is a considerable bottleneck to CPU heavy stuff. RAM upgrades can help the GX60 but it'll still slow down when doing REAL CPU taxing stuff.

Gaming + programming below RM4k and remains cool. Acer V7 (3.7k)? Also, the Illegear RE15: Nvidia 765 and 15 inch FHD screen for about the same price. That's prolly about it for "not so hot" laptops suitable for gaming.

Alternatively you can get the RE13/GE40 but both runs HOT, at least at full load.

RE13 runs slightly colder, has the 765 + beautiful FHD IPS screen, slightly thicker body and a 4-hour battery life. GE40 on the other hand, runs hotter, has the 760 + 900p TN (read: considerably less beautiful) screen, thinner body and a 6-7 hour battery life.

As for others, err Lenovo Y510P SLI? 1 hour battery life, FHD screen and TWO 750m GPUs. Of course it runs hot as well unfortunately. Alternatively, the GE60, but it also has bad battery life and runs just as hot with only a single 765.

IINM your best bet is the Illegear RE15 for that budget. Maybe you can also consider the MSI GE60 with the nvidia 750 which is even cheaper than the GE40 (3.4k), but the RE15 has better specs for only an extra 300++.

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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 12:36 AM)
Hi guys.. wanna ask
For budget of Max 4k..
Which version should best benefits me?
For gaming and programming in future.
Read review on GX60 for the underperformance APU bottleneck the GPU, any ways to improve the processor performance?

Prefer a gaming laptop that runs cool.
Don't rly emphasis screen size , etc.
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buy MSI GX60 then upgrade 16GB 1866Mhz Performance RAM! overall performance/gaming improve 15-20% but total spending ccost you RM4,400.00 blush.gif
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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Sep 12 2013, 12:34 AM)
asus fan join got free gift ka? XDD
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 06:02 PM)
Because more printed words = more cost amirite? Simple is cheap.
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I believe they just want to use 'general/generic' terms. Just to comply with basic legal requirements.

QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 11 2013, 06:03 PM)
SSD OR RAM no problem buddy smile.gif  but MSI recommend" you to upgrade MSI authorize center... but be careful some MSI authorized service center trying to act UN-ethical like saying there  extra service charge.. just call MSI care center to confirm any charge if still under warranty period... smile.gif

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RM60 okay? 4GB Sodim 1600Mhz
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I wonder if MSI Malaysia will do it for free. Cause in OZland, MSI quoted me AUD60 bucks just to install that in, plus clean install and the F3 recovery function will remain. The default HDD will move to the secondary bay and still hold all the recovery partitions.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 10:00 AM)
I believe they just want to use 'general/generic' terms. Just to comply with basic legal requirements.
I wonder if MSI Malaysia will do it for free. Cause in OZland, MSI quoted me AUD60 bucks just to install that in, plus clean install and the F3 recovery function will remain. The default HDD will move to the secondary bay and still hold all the recovery partitions.
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Actually, how DO you transfer the F3 hidden partition to an SSD? Full disk cloning with Acronis or something?

I thought a full HDD clone from a normal HDD to an SSD is not recommended as the fragmented sectors on the HDD image might not transfer well to the SSD?

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 10:21 AM)
Actually, how DO you transfer the F3 hidden partition to an SSD? Full disk imaging with Acronis?
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yup i guess so cause when i purchase NB i upgrade to SSD they clone with F3 function to SSD from HDD seem to be working just fine.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 10:21 AM)
Actually, how DO you transfer the F3 hidden partition to an SSD? Full disk cloning with Acronis or something?

I thought a full HDD clone from a normal HDD to an SSD is not recommended as the fragmented sectors on the HDD image might not transfer well to the SSD?
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No, cloning software typically don't clone the recovery partition over. Its just the EFI partition, Windows recovery partition and the boot partition. Assuming this is the GPT drive.

In my experience, cloning from HDD to SSD has been quite successful. With the exception of my first attempt when I got the GT70 2 weeks ago. The Samsung Data Migration some how botched everything lol!

Here's the steps I followed:

1. Disable UEFI secure boot in BIOS.
2. Perform secure erase for SSD in another computer/laptop. So that it has a clean out of box mode.
3. Run burnrecovery and take a snapshot image of the entire HDD using Windows 8.
4. Remove unnecessary software on HDD and apply your own tweaks (e.g. disable hibernation, page file etc).
5. Run registry cleaning (I use TuneUp and jv16 Powertools).
6. Run drive defragmentation (I use PerfectDisk). Then run boot defragmentation. This will defrag the boot and page files.
7. Run cloning process (I use Samsung Data Migration for my 840 Pro).
8. Once complete, I would remove the HDD from laptop to prevent interference.
9. Install SSD in the primary bay.
10. Let it boot. If no issue, boot into recovery mode and run chkdsk /f to clear inconsistencies after clone.
11. Once boot back to Windows, use a partition alignment tool to check for drive alignment.
12. If no more issues, you can safely reformat the whole HDD. If you ever need to go back, just re-image the backup you made.
13. Then install HDD back into secondary drive and format as a data drive or whatever.
14. Go back to BIOS and re-enable secure boot if you wish.
15. Install/customize your new setup to your heart's content.
16. Final step is get a snapshot image, in case you ever want to get back to this state in future.

You would see that I do a snapshot image before a critical step. Its important to maintain a backup. My F3 still works but of course there's no MSI factory image to restore from. This is where I use my backup image. If you need the MSI factory state, then just boot from the recovery DVD you just made.

Of course if you want a completely clean installation, just start from scratch. But I'm lazy tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 10:21 AM)
Actually, how DO you transfer the F3 hidden partition to an SSD? Full disk cloning with Acronis or something?

I thought a full HDD clone from a normal HDD to an SSD is not recommended as the fragmented sectors on the HDD image might not transfer well to the SSD?
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By the way according to the MSI engineer, they can make it in such a way the MSI factory partition will remain in your now secondary HDD. But all the boot partitions will now reside in your new SSD in primary bay.

When you press F3, you can perform recovery as usual. Just that it will recover to your SSD. So it must be some insider tweaks. I decided not to proceed because its worth the money. I prefer to fall back to drive imaging recovery method. Because all my applications and settings are maintained.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 11:18 AM)
By the way according to the MSI engineer, they can make it in such a way the MSI factory partition will remain in your now secondary HDD. But all the boot partitions will now reside in your new SSD in primary bay.

When you press F3, you can perform recovery as usual. Just that it will recover to your SSD. So it must be some insider tweaks. I decided not to proceed because its worth the money. I prefer to fall back to drive imaging recovery method. Because all my applications and settings are maintained.
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oh i ask/requested the technician to put recovery on both my SSD and HDD.. just in case...
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Just took delivery of some nice Samsung DD3L modules. biggrin.gif

No problem so far. Everything rock stable. Guess the machine really needs DDR3L.

Unseen, whats your max CPU temps where you're gaming? Mine went till 87C on gaming mode. Also my Sound Blaster Cinema app doesn't seem to remember the settings I made. After restart it went back to defaults. Strange. Is it same in your setup as well?
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 12:33 PM)
Just took delivery of some nice Samsung DD3L modules. biggrin.gif

No problem so far. Everything rock stable. Guess the machine really needs DDR3L.

Unseen, whats your max CPU temps where you're gaming? Mine went till 87C on gaming mode. Also my Sound Blaster Cinema app doesn't seem to remember the settings I made. After restart it went back to defaults. Strange. Is it same in your setup as well?
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hmm i think ur notebook got Gremlin... lolz baptizes NB yet? blush.gif my Cinema seem to remember setting i set for it unless you plug external speaker/headphone... smile.gif seem to work like charms smile.gif

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CPU temp i currently at work ... later on i post my CPU temp i capture HWinfo64 and Speccy if not mistake is max 66C-70C during Tomb raider/Crysis3 all MAX... but if you look past posting on this THREADS you see i post few TEMP of my system smile.gif

Edit: got RAM LOW VOLTAGE MR STORM88!

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how much samsung L ram? i got my Crucial RM440 for 2x8GB 16GB L RAM
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CPU temp i currently at work ... later on i post my CPU temp i capture HWinfo64 and Speccy  if not mistake is max 66C-70C during Tomb raider/Crysis3 all MAX...  but if you look past posting on this THREADS you see i post few TEMP of my system smile.gif
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Yeah, not having a lot of positive energy with the laptop yet. LOL! But we're catching up. It'll be nice tongue.gif

So you're Cinema app remembers? I mean when you move the base slider, it'll remember after restart. Damn this is weird.

Wow... 70C max temps? With cooler boost on? Mine is without. I don't see signs of throttling when gaming. Except some micro stutter once in awhile. Still haven't solve this yet. Some say is the beta driver. GPU temperature hovering in the region of 60-65C which I think is quite good.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 12:54 PM)
Yeah, not having a lot of positive energy with the laptop yet. LOL! But we're catching up. It'll be nice tongue.gif

So you're Cinema app remembers? I mean when you move the base slider, it'll remember after restart. Damn this is weird.

Wow... 70C max temps? With cooler boost on? Mine is without. I don't see signs of throttling when gaming. Except some micro stutter once in awhile. Still haven't solve this yet. Some say is the beta driver. GPU temperature hovering in the region of 60-65C which I think is quite good.
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yes... need positive energy surround NB..lol this GT70 suppose be my temporary kinda waiting Asus G750JH smile.gif

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yes.. hmm i need to recheck it... just sound really loud/clear during Gaming/music so don't really bother with it..  blush.gif

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Ah you repaste the CPU already. I haven't done this yet. How did you remove the heatsinks considering they are not bridged together? My guess is to take both GPU+CPU heatsinks as a single big piece? I have some nice paste that I bought a year ago.

Here no aircond but natural one tongue.gif. Around 20C day time. But summer is going to be hot.
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Ah you repaste the CPU already. I haven't done this yet. How did you remove the heatsinks considering they are not bridged together? My guess is to take both GPU+CPU heatsinks as a single big piece? I have some nice paste that I bought a year ago.

Here no aircond but natural one tongue.gif. Around 20C day time. But summer is going to be hot.
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Hi all, am thinking of getting MSI GE60 2OE Gaming Series 15.6" Laptop/ Notebook for music production purposes. I'm sure the specs are more than enough but how about the heat?
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Is this considered normal? I'm using my GX60 in a normal room temperature, no heavy usage for cpu just normal browsing + HD videos and music sweat.gif
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Is this considered normal? I'm using my GX60 in a normal room temperature, no heavy usage for cpu just normal browsing + HD videos and music  sweat.gif
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Is this considered normal? I'm using my GX60 in a normal room temperature, no heavy usage for cpu just normal browsing + HD videos and music  sweat.gif
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Mine normal 40-45. 50 should be okay IMHO, but supposedly the larger case of the GX60 has better ventilation?

@davidmak: UNLESS you choose the "custom" preset, SB Cinema defaults to the defaults of every preset (game, cinema etc.) after every reboot. Under "custom" the changes should hold.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 11 2013, 05:22 PM)
Acer actually has the stickers too. Dell/Lenovo has some void stickers INSIDE (last I checked anyway).

The WORD from the MSI representative on this thread (MSI-NB) is that "it's not recommended to do your own upgrades". He DID NOT say "prohibited". Also, he (she?) says that if the seal is "broken" by an authorised MSI dealer to add RAM, it's fine.

So take it as you will.

What I DO understand is ONLY the RAM and the Storage Device can be touched at all. Touch anything else and RISK voiding your warranty.

@MSI-NB (if he stops by): Regarding MSI Gamer activities, any word on a BF3/Hawken whatever FPS gathering? I'm not really a DOTA guy.
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SSD OR RAM no problem buddy smile.gif  but MSI recommend" you to upgrade MSI authorize center... but be careful some MSI authorized service center trying to act UN-ethical like saying there  extra service charge.. just call MSI care center to confirm any charge if still under warranty period... smile.gif

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Thanks for the replies. So I guess when you send to them they will also end up breaking the sticker?

..Why not sendiri take off la then as if got no sticker cool2.gif

(Anyway my dell studio doesn't have any stickers, for the ram or hdd at least from what I can see)

About the RAM: Let me wait until after buying the laptop then I see if I need to RAM or not la


EDIT: found this

MSI Malaysia NB We do not recommend users to upgrade by themselves as they will not get to enjoy warranty.
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QUOTE(JieXian @ Sep 12 2013, 03:09 PM)
Thanks for the replies. So I guess when you send to them they will also end up breaking the sticker?

..Why not sendiri take off la then as if got no sticker    cool2.gif

(Anyway my dell studio doesn't have any stickers, for the ram or hdd at least from what I can see)

About the RAM: Let me wait until after buying the laptop then I see if I need to RAM or not la
EDIT: found this

MSI Malaysia NB We do not recommend users to upgrade by themselves as they will not get to enjoy warranty.
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Then go upgrade with Storm88. He's an "authorized dealer" so it's fine that he upgrades your stuff, at least according to MSI-NB here on Lowyat.NET.

QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 5 2013, 04:38 PM)
MSI officially do not recommend users to upgrade RAM/HDD/SSD by themselves

We recommend users:

-Upgrade RAM with our Authorized Dealers or Service Centre
-Upgrade HDD/SSD at Service Centre

FYI, Service Centre will diagnosis case by case whether users void the warranty or not.

As for Warranty for MSI MY notebooks, MSI offers 2 years warranty:

-First year Global Warranty
-Second year Local Warranty.
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Note "diagnosis case by case". So it's not a simple matter of "tear sticker = automatically void".

Why is the sticker there then? To protect MSI in terms of liability... and to help scare off the less technically inclined amongst us from blowing up their laptops.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 03:30 PM)
Then go upgrade with Storm88. He's an "authorized dealer" so it's fine that he upgrades your stuff, at least according to MSI-NB here on Lowyat.NET.
Note "diagnosis case by case". So it's not a simple matter of "tear sticker = automatically void".

Why is the sticker there then? To protect MSI in terms of liability... and to help scare off the less technically inclined amongst us from blowing up their laptops.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 03:30 PM)
Then go upgrade with Storm88. He's an "authorized dealer" so it's fine that he upgrades your stuff, at least according to MSI-NB here on Lowyat.NET.
Note "diagnosis case by case". So it's not a simple matter of "tear sticker = automatically void".

Why is the sticker there then? To protect MSI in terms of liability... and to help scare off the less technically inclined amongst us from blowing up their laptops.
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The warranty sticker is a standard procedure from HQ, so don't worry. blush.gif
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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 12 2013, 04:19 PM)
The warranty sticker is a standard procedure from HQ, so don't worry.  blush.gif
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should not put there.. its hurting ppl/customer decision making process... on purchase AWESOME MSI G series...
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 01:13 PM)
Ah you repaste the CPU already. I haven't done this yet. How did you remove the heatsinks considering they are not bridged together? My guess is to take both GPU+CPU heatsinks as a single big piece? I have some nice paste that I bought a year ago.

Here no aircond but natural one tongue.gif. Around 20C day time. But summer is going to be hot.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 01:13 AM)
Remain with Intel if you need speed to compile programs and stuff. Otherwise, yeah, the AMD CPU is a considerable bottleneck to CPU heavy stuff. RAM upgrades can help the GX60 but it'll still slow down when doing REAL CPU taxing stuff.

Gaming + programming below RM4k and remains cool. Acer V7 (3.7k)? Also, the Illegear RE15: Nvidia 765 and 15 inch FHD screen for about the same price. That's prolly about it for "not so hot" laptops suitable for gaming.

Alternatively you can get the RE13/GE40 but both runs HOT, at least at full load.

RE13 runs slightly colder, has the 765 + beautiful FHD IPS screen, slightly thicker body and a 4-hour battery life. GE40 on the other hand, runs hotter, has the 760 + 900p TN (read: considerably less beautiful) screen, thinner body and a 6-7 hour battery life.

As for others, err Lenovo Y510P SLI? 1 hour battery life, FHD screen and TWO 750m GPUs. Of course it runs hot as well unfortunately. Alternatively, the GE60, but it also has bad battery life and runs just as hot with only a single 765.

IINM your best bet is the Illegear RE15 for that budget. Maybe you can also consider the MSI GE60 with the nvidia 750 which is even cheaper than the GE40 (3.4k), but the RE15 has better specs for only an extra 300++.
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yeah dats really sad.. really love the performance of AMD 8970M .. will programming takes alot of processor power? Upgrading ram will sufficient or not? hmm.gif

not really into dual GPU for laptop haha..
The MSI GE60 with GTX 750 should run cooler compared to GE40 right? brows.gif
Replacing the thermal paste with something better like diamond something will improve the thermal performance significantly?
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careful with IC diamond use as thermal paste... i notice it have corrosive effect on chip-set...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 05:10 PM)
careful with IC diamond use as thermal paste... i notice it have corrosive effect on chip-set...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 05:10 PM)
careful with IC diamond use as thermal paste... i notice it have corrosive effect on chip-set...
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Very true for some other pastes as well. Thankfully my Xigmatek Freezing Point isn't corrosive, though it's probably not as effective as IC.

QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 04:38 PM)
yeah dats really sad.. really love the performance of AMD 8970M .. will programming takes alot of processor power? Upgrading ram will sufficient or not? hmm.gif

not really into dual GPU for laptop haha..
The MSI GE60 with GTX 750 should run cooler compared to GE40 right? brows.gif
Replacing the thermal paste with something better like diamond something will improve the thermal performance significantly?
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The GE60 with 750 ALSO comes with just an i5, so yeah it'll be LOTS cooler. It's a lot cheaper too at 2.8k now (on offer).

Still holding on the RE15 as my recommendation for now.

@MSI-NB: Thanks for the clarification boss.

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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 04:38 PM)
yeah dats really sad.. really love the performance of AMD 8970M .. will programming takes alot of processor power? Upgrading ram will sufficient or not? hmm.gif

not really into dual GPU for laptop haha..
The MSI GE60 with GTX 750 should run cooler compared to GE40 right? brows.gif
Replacing the thermal paste with something better like diamond something will improve the thermal performance significantly?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 05:28 PM)
The GE60 with 750 ALSO comes with just an i5, so yeah it'll be LOTS cooler. It's a lot cheaper too at 2.8k now (on offer).

Still holding on the RE15 as my recommendation for now.
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Perhaps, an older alternative? GE60-ONC, i5-3230M + Nvidia GTX675M + (1920x1080; anti-glare)@RM3299, 4GB, 750GB(7200rpm), W8

In terms of gaming performance, GTX 675M is a great card. Significantly more than the GT 750M.

If you are pushing on the your max budget, I reckon you add slightly more? The GS70 is truly a great laptop.
As for heat, we have a couple of GS70 users, and IINM none seem to complain about overheating issues laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 05:10 PM)
careful with IC diamond use as thermal paste... i notice it have corrosive effect on chip-set...
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right it's corrosive. it's fine as long as it works smile.gif

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 12 2013, 06:23 PM)
Perhaps, an older alternative? GE60-ONC, i5-3230M + Nvidia GTX675M + (1920x1080; anti-glare)@RM3299, 4GB, 750GB(7200rpm), W8

In terms of gaming performance, GTX 675M is a great card. Significantly more than the GT 750M.

If you are pushing on the your max budget, I reckon you add slightly more? The GS70 is truly a great laptop.
As for heat, we have a couple of GS70 users, and IINM none seem to complain about overheating issues  laugh.gif
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Yep. I'd readily recommend the GS70 to anyone who can live with 17 inches (it's freaking thin though) and "just" a 765. It's slightly over his budget but I say get it (even the lower end model) if he could stretch a liiiiiiitle bit more.

IMHO it's the BEST all rounder solution from MSI so far, until they come up with an equally good 14inch version (GS40? Please?).

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 05:28 PM)
Very true for some other pastes as well. Thankfully my Xigmatek Freezing Point isn't corrosive, though it's probably not as effective as IC.
The GE60 with 750 ALSO comes with just an i5, so yeah it'll be LOTS cooler. It's a lot cheaper too at 2.8k now (on offer).

Still holding on the RE15 as my recommendation for now.

@MSI-NB: Thanks for the clarification boss.
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I thought there's i7 version of GE60 20c lol.

And omg i jus know that the IC diamond is corrosive sweat.gif will cause big issue to laptop like void warranty , etc?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 07:31 PM)
I thought there's i7 version of GE60 20c lol.

And omg i jus know that the IC diamond is corrosive sweat.gif will cause big issue to laptop like void warranty , etc?
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As long as it doesn't spill down to the green IC board below, you'll be fine. If it does...

But really, even if IC Diamond is DA BEST paste, the heating performance difference between the top brands is like 1-2c only. If you don't want to live with the risk of holes in your motherboard, just get another top end brand paste that's not corrosive.

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hmm... should keep quiet... about it... sorry is not Corrosive"(wrong word ) it happen only when you in proper remove of thermal... then it become... let say IC Diamond have marco diamond dust even so in that form diamond is Sharp... so when you rub the IC Diamond the sharp edge of it scratch the surface of the chip but NO worried it wont damage it smile.gif unless you apply wait a day and rub it off then repeat it 1,000 time then you may damage the chip smile.gif so Chance of the ic diamond damage chip is 3 of 100 smile.gif
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Very nice temperature there even while watching video.

But the one on 3DMark13, that is not the max temperature while running 3DMark13 right?
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hmm... should keep quiet... about it... sorry is not Corrosive"(wrong word )  it happen only when you in proper remove of thermal... then it become... let say IC Diamond have marco diamond dust even so in that form diamond is Sharp... so when you rub the IC Diamond  the sharp edge of it scratch the surface of the chip but NO worried it wont damage it smile.gif unless you apply wait a day and rub it off  then repeat it  1,000 time then  you may damage the chip smile.gif  so Chance of the ic diamond damage chip is 3 of 100 smile.gif
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Yeah I actually googled. Not "corrosive" like the other "corrosive" paste, it's actually "abrasive".

And I'd say the chances of scratching something is definitely higher than 3/100 with IC Diamond. Doesn't make it a bad paste, but definitely not newbie friendly when removing it.

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Yep. I'd readily recommend the GS70 to anyone who can live with 17 inches (it's freaking thin though) and "just" a 765. It's slightly over his budget but I say get it (even the lower end model) if he could stretch a liiiiiiitle bit more.

IMHO it's the BEST all rounder solution from MSI so far, until they come up with an equally good 14inch version (GS40? Please?).
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I thought that would make you Hulk-smash jelly? tongue.gif

And ya, of course I'm recommending the lower end GS70, and upgrading SSD in the faaaaaaaarrrrr future. Also you'd get the disco SS keyboard, and the first of its kind:, dual fan.


Just showing some prototype of the GS70

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Is it me or does it look like what Razer has been doing?

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QUOTE(Amal @ Sep 12 2013, 08:03 PM)
Very nice temperature there even while watching video.

But the one on 3DMark13, that is not the max temperature while running 3DMark13 right?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 08:18 PM)
Yeah I actually googled. Not "corrosive" like the other "corrosive" paste, it's actually "abrasive".

And I'd say the chances of scratching something is definitely higher than 3/100 with IC Diamond. Doesn't make it a bad paste, but definitely not newbie friendly when removing it.
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smile.gif yes "Abrasive"
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As long as it doesn't spill down to the green IC board below, you'll be fine. If it does...

But really, even if IC Diamond is DA BEST paste, the heating performance difference between the top brands is like 1-2c only. If you don't want to live with the risk of holes in your motherboard, just get another top end brand paste that's not corrosive.
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this is so true smile.gif it's really fine to use the common ones found in the market.

QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 08:18 PM)
Yeah I actually googled. Not "corrosive" like the other "corrosive" paste, it's actually "abrasive".

And I'd say the chances of scratching something is definitely higher than 3/100 with IC Diamond. Doesn't make it a bad paste, but definitely not newbie friendly when removing it.
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my heatsink is showing a clear 'corrosive mark' on it (the area that was covered by ic diamond). there was no such 'mark' when i used other pastes, like tuniq tx4, mx4, as5, or prolimatech pk-2/3 (it looks very much like corrosion :/)
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 6 2013, 05:04 PM)
Oh by the way, I decided to use the standard DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V modules and it worked without any issues. Wonder why some retailers are so stubborn to insist only DDR3L 1.35V. Funny thing is, they don't have any DDR3L stock when requested to upgrade. Just silly...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 08:44 PM)
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Hmmm.. Probably the counter got reset by itself.
Or you might have open the Hardware Monitor after you ran 3DMark13.
It needs to be run before you run 3DMark13.
Coz I'm seeing the Powers Package max is only 6.01W, which means it isn't running at full load.

Still, even if those are idle temp, it is still a very good temperature compared to my W230ST. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Amal @ Sep 12 2013, 09:33 PM)
Hmmm.. Probably the counter got reset by itself.
Or you might have open the Hardware Monitor after you ran 3DMark13.
It needs to be run before you run 3DMark13.
Coz I'm seeing the Powers Package max is only 6.01W, which means it isn't running at full load.

Still, even if those are idle temp, it is still a very good temperature compared to my W230ST.  thumbup.gif
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haha mucho Gracia's ! yes it running while 3D mark is benching 3Dmark don't seem to stress my GT70... only get stress playing crysis3 6hour while surfing internet/ watching HD movie (setting is on 3 LCD include notebook)
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 04:31 PM)
here my temp light program/ video/internet so on
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here bench 3Dmark(2013)
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Wait, your max temperature for CPU is only 49C while running that benchmark? Isn't it a little low? LOL! I've never seen such amazing performance. Don't get me wrong, but I'd like to have what you put into that laptop. tongue.gif

QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 12 2013, 06:23 PM)
Perhaps, an older alternative? GE60-ONC, i5-3230M + Nvidia GTX675M + (1920x1080; anti-glare)@RM3299, 4GB, 750GB(7200rpm), W8

In terms of gaming performance, GTX 675M is a great card. Significantly more than the GT 750M.

If you are pushing on the your max budget, I reckon you add slightly more? The GS70 is truly a great laptop.
As for heat, we have a couple of GS70 users, and IINM none seem to complain about overheating issues  laugh.gif
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Actually the GTX 675MX is the better alternative. It's the Kepler version of the original 675M (Fermi). The MX is probably equivalent in performance to the 770m (with no boost). I think there's a version of the GT70 with i7-3630QM, 16GB DDR3, 750GB 7200RPM and GTX 675MX. Last generation, but hey... its cheaper.
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 09:46 PM)
haha mucho Gracia's ! yes it running while 3D mark is benching 3Dmark don't seem to stress my GT70... only get stress playing crysis3 6hour while surfing internet/ watching HD movie (setting is on 3 LCD include notebook)
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Any idea what was your maximum CPU temperature then?
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 10:03 PM)
Any idea what was your maximum CPU temperature then?
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Wanna ask..
both the GE40 don't have backlit keyboard right?
The GE60 20C 3699 one also don't have?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2013, 10:34 PM)
Wanna ask..
both the GE40 don't have backlit keyboard right?
The GE60 20C 3699 one also don't have?
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it come with SteelSeries but only BLue backlit smile.gif

Edit: you can purchase SteelSeries backlit with full led light show smile.gif cost you RM 450-600

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 12 2013, 10:02 PM)
Actually the GTX 675MX is the better alternative. It's the Kepler version of the original 675M (Fermi). The MX is probably equivalent in performance to the 770m (with no boost). I think there's a version of the GT70 with i7-3630QM, 16GB DDR3, 750GB 7200RPM and GTX 675MX. Last generation, but hey... its cheaper.
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Agreed. But regarding to xfreedomboix's max budget of rm4k, he is looking into the GX/GE series, maybe you can give a few pointers?
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i say get MSI GX60/70 ADD 16GB 1866Mhz RAM+ SSD:) if compare to GE60/70 price and performance...
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 10:40 PM)
it come with SteelSeries  but only BLue backlit smile.gif

Edit: you can purchase SteelSeries backlit with full led light show smile.gif cost you RM 450-600
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This mean all GE40 and GE60 20C series have blue backlit?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 12:32 AM)
This mean all GE40 and GE60 20C series have blue backlit?
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only GE60/70 not ge40.. well check with erkaru
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 12:32 AM)
This mean all GE40 and GE60 20C series have blue backlit?
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GE40 no backlit, or any lights besides the indicators and the dragon eyes for that matter.

@MSI-NB: Regarding the DDR3L, we found out the hard way that 1.5v is not really well liked by Haswell.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 12:53 AM)
GE40 no backlit, or any lights besides the indicators and the dragon eyes for that matter.

@MSI-NB: Regarding the DDR3L, we found out the hard way that 1.5v is not really well liked by Haswell.
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How about the GE60 20C dat about 3599 wth GT750?
hmm.gif that comes with backlit?
How hot will it run when it's on load?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 12:55 AM)
How about the GE60 20C dat about 3599 wth GT750?
hmm.gif that comes with backlit?
How hot will it run when it's on load?
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It's 2.9k or something only now, got promo (not sure for how long). Intel i5 only (dual core IINM) and 750, no backlit (AFAIK). Should run much cooler on load (compared to the i7/765 GE60 and the i7/760 GE40) due to the i5 and 750.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 01:01 AM)
It's 2.9k or something only now, got promo (not sure for how long). Intel i5 only (dual core IINM) and 750, no backlit. Should run much cooler on load (compared to the i7/765 GE60 and the i7/760 GE40) due to the i5 and 750.
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The i7/GT750 GE60 also no backlit?
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 01:06 AM)
The i7/GT750 GE60 also no backlit?
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Supposedly no. Not sure though.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 01:18 AM)
Supposedly no. Not sure though.
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Now I think I will stick to GE60 i7 gt750 or ge40 if budget not allow..
If budget allow.. GS70 brows.gif

btw.. GX60 with 16gb 1866 mhz ram will be enough to cover the bad APU performance in daily task n programming?


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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 01:21 AM)
Now I think I will stick to GE60 i7 gt750 or ge40 if budget not allow..
If budget allow.. GS70 brows.gif

btw.. GX60 with 16gb 1866 mhz ram will be enough to cover the bad APU performance in daily task n programming?
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GE60 20E have baklit(blue only...) ask MR.storm88 if he can confirm this

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yes.. improve. with ram upgrade must be 16GB 1866mhz ram

Edit: i would again recommend GX60 good buy if you want to GAMING under budget smile.gif price under RM4K

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 13 2013, 01:26 AM)
GE60 20E have baklit(blue only...)  ask MR.storm88 if he can confirm this

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yes.. improve. with ram upgrade must be 16GB 1866mhz ram
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will it be enough for heavy rendering task?
Cause I'm taking software engineering for my degree coming year.. lol
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 01:30 AM)
will it be enough for heavy rendering task?
Cause I'm taking software engineering for my degree coming year.. lol
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then buff your budget... get GT70 20D... RM6.7K

Edit: for Thirds time i recommend you get GX60, later on when next year you up RAM add SSD smile.gif

Reference
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7111/amds-a1...gaming-notebook
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http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?...gaming+notebook

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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 01:30 AM)
Will it be enough for heavy rendering task?
Cause I'm taking software engineering for my degree coming year.. lol
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You want power (but with CPU bottleneck risk for compiling programs) = GX60

You want balance and low heat = GE60 750 (prolly).

You want small size and battery life = GE40.

Still standing by my recommendation of the Illegear RE15 though.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 09:46 AM)

Still standing by my recommendation of the Illegear RE15 though.
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blink.gif Blasphemy!!! in MSI !!! this act will cost BAD luck for ur GE40!! lolz
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 13 2013, 09:57 AM)
blink.gif  Blasphemy!!! in MSI !!! this act will cost BAD luck for ur GE40!! lolz
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Lolol. I'm a honest recommender. If the GT60 comes out and it's good, I'll recommend that one wholeheartedly. But for now, for his specific needs (low heat, programming, around 4k) there's not really anything I'd REALLY recommend except for the GS70.

I is the no fanboi... Bought my GE40 because it was perfect for my needs, warts and all.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 10:07 AM)
Lolol. I'm a honest recommender. If the GT60 comes out and it's good, I'll recommend that one wholeheartedly. But for now, for his specific needs (low heat, programming, around 4k) there's not really anything I'd REALLY recommend except for the GS70.

I is the no fanboi...  Bought my GE40 because it was perfect for my needs, warts and all.
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hahaha GT60 is out and is awesome! but price is over RM4K... hmm sup with high demand low budget... people! lolz

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 12 2013, 10:49 PM)
Agreed. But regarding to xfreedomboix's max budget of rm4k, he is looking into the GX/GE series, maybe you can give a few pointers?
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I'm not too familiar with the GE-series so I'll only comment on the GX-series. Hehe...

Barring the weak CPU, I like everything about the GX60/70. It has almost everything that made GT60/70 nice (e.g. cooler boost, dynaudio, amplified headphone jacks, subwoofer, Killer LAN, same nice casing, etc). In fact I was considering this model too. The one I looked at has mSATA SSD (not sure if its 2x 64GB RAID 0). So bottom line, its a very good deal for the money you paid for. I'll look pass the weak A10-5750M if budget was a constraint.

As mentioned by experts here, pick the 1866MHz memory modules in pairs and you'll increase the performance by quite a bit. If one is daring enough, try to source for A8/A10 engineering samples so that you can OC them. That would increase the GPU utilization.


QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 01:21 AM)
Now I think I will stick to GE60 i7 gt750 or ge40 if budget not allow..
If budget allow.. GS70 brows.gif

btw.. GX60 with 16gb 1866 mhz ram will be enough to cover the bad APU performance in daily task n programming?
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In my humble opinion, the 1866MHz memory modules does indeed improve APU performance especially the integrated graphics as its bandwidth starve. If you're able to in some way make your programming/rendering applications to also utilize the entire APU (meaning the graphics) for GPGPU, it'll be better.

As for the CPU itself, you need to read about the Piledriver core architecture to understand its weaknesses. There are only two cores in the CPU. Each core has certain areas/resources doubled/shared to allow two threads to run. Giving you 4 logical cores. Sort of like Hyperthreading but its not. Essentially we're talking about performance of around 80% of a real dual core. Because the resources are shared. Also Windows 7 initially had issues with core utilization because it sends threads to physical cores. Sort of like how Windows has problem with early Intel Hyperthreading.

I'm not sure why AMD is going down this pathway, but I believe its to prep the design for GPGPU. For now I wouldn't look at AMD until Steamroller (Kaveri) is released. Why? AMD changed the core configuration because it knew of the weakness of Piledriver. The arithmetic unit has been doubled this time, no more sharing. Only the FPU is still shared. Also the integrated graphics core is now GCN and no more VLIW4.

AMD's future will be bright because Jaguar has been adopted in two major consoles (PS4 and Xbox One). All those x86 console games will be ported back/in between x86 PC platform. And heavily optimized for AMD hardware which is essentially APU architecture.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
I'm not too familiar with the GE-series so I'll only comment on the GX-series. Hehe...

Barring the weak CPU, I like everything about the GX60/70. It has almost everything that made GT60/70 nice (e.g. cooler boost,dynaudio, amplified headphone jacks, subwoofer, Killer LAN, same nice casing, etc).
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Actually, all the GX seires does NOT have Dynaudio certification, which boggles me since they are using the same exact stuff from the GT series.

QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
I'm not sure why AMD is going down this pathway, but I believe its to prep the design for GPGPU. For now I wouldn't look at AMD until Steamroller (Kaveri) is released. Why? AMD changed the core configuration because it knew of the weakness of Piledriver. The arithmetic unit has been doubled this time, no more sharing. Only the FPU is still shared. Also the integrated graphics core is now GCN and no more VLIW4.

AMD's future will be bright because Jaguar has been adopted in two major consoles (PS4 and Xbox One). All those x86 console games will be ported back/in between x86 PC platform. And heavily optimized for AMD hardware which is essentially APU architecture.
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Nice info dude. Seems that Steamroller are rolling out next year. And i heard that Intel will skip the X89 Platform and move on to X99? Need some clarification though.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
I'm not too familiar with the GE-series so I'll only comment on the GX-series. Hehe...

Barring the weak CPU, I like everything about the GX60/70. It has almost everything that made GT60/70 nice (e.g. cooler boost, dynaudio, amplified headphone jacks, subwoofer, Killer LAN, same nice casing, etc). In fact I was considering this model too. The one I looked at has mSATA SSD (not sure if its 2x 64GB RAID 0). So bottom line, its a very good deal for the money you paid for. I'll look pass the weak A10-5750M if budget was a constraint.

As mentioned by experts here, pick the 1866MHz memory modules in pairs and you'll increase the performance by quite a bit. If one is daring enough, try to source for A8/A10 engineering samples so that you can OC them. That would increase the GPU utilization.
In my humble opinion, the 1866MHz memory modules does indeed improve APU performance especially the integrated graphics as its bandwidth starve. If you're able to in some way make your programming/rendering applications to also utilize the entire APU (meaning the graphics) for GPGPU, it'll be better.

As for the CPU itself, you need to read about the Piledriver core architecture to understand its weaknesses. There are only two cores in the CPU. Each core has certain areas/resources doubled/shared to allow two threads to run. Giving you 4 logical cores. Sort of like Hyperthreading but its not. Essentially we're talking about performance of around 80% of a real dual core. Because the resources are shared. Also Windows 7 initially had issues with core utilization because it sends threads to physical cores. Sort of like how Windows has problem with early Intel Hyperthreading.

I'm not sure why AMD is going down this pathway, but I believe its to prep the design for GPGPU. For now I wouldn't look at AMD until Steamroller (Kaveri) is released. Why? AMD changed the core configuration because it knew of the weakness of Piledriver. The arithmetic unit has been doubled this time, no more sharing. Only the FPU is still shared. Also the integrated graphics core is now GCN and no more VLIW4.

AMD's future will be bright because Jaguar has been adopted in two major consoles (PS4 and Xbox One). All those x86 console games will be ported back/in between x86 PC platform. And heavily optimized for AMD hardware which is essentially APU architecture.
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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 13 2013, 12:48 PM)
Actually, all the GX seires does NOT have Dynaudio certification, which boggles me since they are using the same exact stuff from the GT series.

Nice info dude. Seems that Steamroller are rolling out next year. And i heard that Intel will skip the X89 Platform and move on to X99? Need some clarification though.
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Just name dropping prolly to make sure the GT series remains the Flagship. People only really look at the "names" attached to a product, right?

As for Haswell-E, yeah, seems they're skipping X89. But really, Haswell is more a mobile oriented architecture that doesn't even overclock that well - it's future as a "enthusiast" platform is questionable. Plus knowing Intel (and this whole DRR3L thing), they're gonna make DDR4 "compulsory" and that's really gonna sting, financial-wise.

Not that enthusiasts are gonna care about the hole in their pockets much anyway.

For me, I'm gonna remain a "mobile gamer" for many years to come so this isn't really relevant much lol. Gimme interesting stuff in Sky Lake and I'll be happy.

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QUOTE(MSI-NB @ Sep 12 2013, 10:07 PM)
Hi all, do note that for Intel Haswell model please insists on 1.35V NOT 1.5V as the reason why we do not recommend 1.5V is 1.5V will cause damage to machine.  notworthy.gif
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BTW, some strange static issue with the Illegear RE15 is brewing over in the Illegear thread. So I'm retracting my recommendation of the RE15 for the time being until it gets sorted out.

Sure good service is good service, but a design fault is something totally unacceptable. So let's wait up a bit first to see what's going on.

Next recommendation, save up a bit and get the GS70.

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QUOTE(zaicon @ Sep 13 2013, 12:48 PM)
Actually, all the GX seires does NOT have Dynaudio certification, which boggles me since they are using the same exact stuff from the GT series.
Nice info dude. Seems that Steamroller are rolling out next year. And i heard that Intel will skip the X89 Platform and move on to X99? Need some clarification though.
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Oh I didn't know about that. Apologies about that. I was given the impression it had similar stuff when I check out the local stores in my area and reading from MSI forums. But I do know that some similar functions were given a different name, like Eiraku mentioned. By the way, MSI's keyboard (by Steelseries) is fantastic. LOL!

Yup Steamroller will get another ~15% performance improvement from Piledriver. It still won't match i7 yet, but at least they will be competitive. AMD really need a 45W part which they don't have at the moment.

QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 01:12 PM)
As for Haswell-E, yeah, seems they're skipping X89. But really, Haswell is more a mobile oriented architecture that doesn't even overclock that well - it's future as a "enthusiast" platform is questionable. Plus knowing Intel (and this whole DRR3L thing), they're gonna make DDR4 "compulsory" and that's really gonna sting, financial-wise.
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Yeah I don't like how we need DDR3L modules and yet no one is selling it. Its just stupid and annoying. But I do accept that we're going DDR4 for the sake of moving to the next generation and more bandwidth/performance. But DDR3L? Nothing about DDR3L is generational improvement, except for lower power consumption (probably due to smaller die fabrication). Thats it!

The funny thing is desktop Haswell can use 1.5V DDR3 just fine. Its even listed in Intel ARK. And the lack of warnings by Intel is very tricky. How would one regular guy know? They fit into the same slot just fine. Intel should at least given an option to support both, just like DDR3L is backward compatible to 1.5V. Its JEDEC standard for God's sake.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013, 02:39 PM)
The funny thing is desktop Haswell can use 1.5V DDR3 just fine. Its even listed in Intel ARK. And the lack of warnings with Intel is very tricky. How would one regular guy know? They fit into the same slot just fine. Intel should at least given an option to support both, just like DDR3L is backward compatible to 1.5V. Its JEDEC standard for God's sake.
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Lower volts also mean it's faster to run full speed from power off, but that's a very marginal performance gain.

About it NEEDING DDR3L, like I said before, DDR3L is simply DDR3 rated to run stable from 1.28v to 1.45v. By extension, any standard DDR3 sticks with chips from a good bin would able to run under 1.35v with no issues - something I have observed myself.

UNFORTUNATELY, not all DDR3 sticks come with chips from a good bin, as some people have shown with their instability with 1.5v DDR3 on Mobile Haswell. And besides luck and chance, there's no other way to determine if a DDR3 stick would run fine with 1.35v.

Like you said, out of the box compatibility would have been even better, like Desktop Haswell. A mobile platform is all about power savings though, and using DDR3L is a simple "cheat" so that the Haswell mobile platform would seem very "power efficient". BECAUSE it's a "cheat", Intel will be very reluctant to state the fact that this is what is "really" happening.

SOOOO, the simple way out for Intel is to keep quiet (something they are EXPERTS at by now).

MSI on the other hand, cannot take any chances and will HAVE to (like Asus) ENFORCE the 1.35v requirement simply so that people won't go though memory issues with 1.5v/1.65v DDR3 and blame THEM for the problem.

With that said, I'm getting myself a second stick of DDR3L anyway. At least I'm not risking any warranty issues in the long run - MSI can't simply say "see, we told you using 1.5v RAM will burn your laptop" when I go and claim warranty (for something completely unrelated) later.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 03:00 PM)
Lower volts also mean it's faster to run full speed from power off, but that's a very marginal performance gain.

About it NEEDING DDR3L, like I said before, DDR3L is simply DDR3 rated to run stable from 1.28v to 1.45v. By extension, any standard DDR3 sticks with chips from a good bin would able to run under 1.35v with no issues - something I have observed myself.

UNFORTUNATELY, not all DDR3 sticks come with chips from a good bin, as some people have shown with their instability with 1.5v DDR3 on Mobile Haswell. And besides luck and chance, there's no other way to determine if a DDR3 stick would run fine with 1.35v.

Like you said, out of the box compatibility would have been even better, like Desktop Haswell. A mobile platform is all about power savings though, and using DDR3L is a simple "cheat" so that the Haswell mobile platform would seem very "power efficient". BECAUSE it's a "cheat", Intel will be very reluctant to state the fact that this is what is "really" happening.

SOOOO, the simple way out for Intel is to keep quiet (something they are EXPERTS at by now).

MSI on the other hand, cannot take any chances and will HAVE to (like Asus) ENFORCE the 1.35v requirement simply so that people won't go though memory issues with 1.5v/1.65v DDR3 and blame THEM for the problem.

With that said, I'm getting myself a second stick of DDR3L anyway. At least I'm not risking any warranty issues in the long run - MSI can't simply say "see, we told you using 1.5v RAM will burn your laptop".
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Agreed. I see performance around the ball park of ~5% as well from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. Even the new Apple MacBook Air got most of its battery life extension from a bigger and higher voltage battery. This kind of naughty things happen when Intel don't have a strong competitor.
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013 03:25 PM)
Agreed. I see performance around the ball park of ~5% as well from Ivy Bridge to Haswell. Even the new Apple MacBook Air got most of its battery life extension from a bigger and higher voltage battery. This kind of naughty things happen when Intel don't have a strong competitor.
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Not that it's a BAD thing, lower OVERALL power consumption for about the same levels of system performance as the previous gen Architecture is always a welcome thing in a mobile platform.

Problem is:
1) Intel is NOT making the use of 1.35v a choice. AND even THAT isn't clear.
2) Intel isn't pushing memory makers to churn out DDR3L faster.

Maybe this DDR3L push is simply a ploy from the memory makers (in cohoots with Intel of course) to clear out stocks for a memory standard that was already out from 2010 and didn't really catch on - in anticipation for the next big thing: DDR4.

I mean, somebody has got to clear out those mountains of DDR3L somehow. And notice that this "recommendation" to use DDR3L has been going on since Sandy Beach - at which time people really didn't give an eff and kept on using normal DDR3 anyway.

Just my conspiracy theory flavour 2 cents.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 01:12 PM)
Just name dropping prolly to make sure the GT series remains the Flagship. People only really look at the "names" attached to a product, right?

As for Haswell-E, yeah, seems they're skipping X89. But really, Haswell is more a mobile oriented architecture that doesn't even overclock that well - it's future as a "enthusiast" platform is questionable. Plus knowing Intel (and this whole DRR3L thing), they're gonna make DDR4 "compulsory" and that's really gonna sting, financial-wise.

Not that enthusiasts are gonna care about the hole in their pockets much anyway.

For me, I'm gonna remain a "mobile gamer" for many years to come so this isn't really relevant much lol. Gimme interesting stuff in Sky Lake and I'll be happy.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying.

Some forumers are saying that the Steamroller COULD compete with Haswell, and not worry about the ddr4(??) though.




QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 02:13 PM)
BTW, some strange static issue with the Illegear RE15 is brewing over in the Illegear thread. So I'm retracting my recommendation of the RE15 for the time being until it gets sorted out.

Sure good service is good service, but a design fault is something totally unacceptable. So let's wait up a bit first to see what's going on.

Next recommendation, save up a bit and get the GS70.
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Evening Fellow MSI FanBoi!! biggrin.gif

Greeting & salutation peace too all and in the worlds smile.gif lolz about DDR3 RAM... using 1.35V... why on DIMMS itself showing it supports 1.5V ? pls check out one highlight yellow

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Note: no worried, total 32GB DDR3 ram is Low voltage ram all running 1.28V... cool and efficient... blush.gif

Edit: maybe What our Wise DR. Eiraku saying have more then just 2 cent Flavor... but hey.. i am just over pay goV servant... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Sep 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
I'm not too familiar with the GE-series so I'll only comment on the GX-series. Hehe...

Barring the weak CPU, I like everything about the GX60/70. It has almost everything that made GT60/70 nice (e.g. cooler boost, dynaudio, amplified headphone jacks, subwoofer, Killer LAN, same nice casing, etc). In fact I was considering this model too. The one I looked at has mSATA SSD (not sure if its 2x 64GB RAID 0). So bottom line, its a very good deal for the money you paid for. I'll look pass the weak A10-5750M if budget was a constraint.

As mentioned by experts here, pick the 1866MHz memory modules in pairs and you'll increase the performance by quite a bit. If one is daring enough, try to source for A8/A10 engineering samples so that you can OC them. That would increase the GPU utilization.
In my humble opinion, the 1866MHz memory modules does indeed improve APU performance especially the integrated graphics as its bandwidth starve. If you're able to in some way make your programming/rendering applications to also utilize the entire APU (meaning the graphics) for GPGPU, it'll be better.

As for the CPU itself, you need to read about the Piledriver core architecture to understand its weaknesses. There are only two cores in the CPU. Each core has certain areas/resources doubled/shared to allow two threads to run. Giving you 4 logical cores. Sort of like Hyperthreading but its not. Essentially we're talking about performance of around 80% of a real dual core. Because the resources are shared. Also Windows 7 initially had issues with core utilization because it sends threads to physical cores. Sort of like how Windows has problem with early Intel Hyperthreading.

I'm not sure why AMD is going down this pathway, but I believe its to prep the design for GPGPU. For now I wouldn't look at AMD until Steamroller (Kaveri) is released. Why? AMD changed the core configuration because it knew of the weakness of Piledriver. The arithmetic unit has been doubled this time, no more sharing. Only the FPU is still shared. Also the integrated graphics core is now GCN and no more VLIW4.

AMD's future will be bright because Jaguar has been adopted in two major consoles (PS4 and Xbox One). All those x86 console games will be ported back/in between x86 PC platform. And heavily optimized for AMD hardware which is essentially APU architecture.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 09:46 AM)
You want power (but with CPU bottleneck risk for compiling programs) = GX60

You want balance and low heat = GE60 750 (prolly).

You want small size and battery life = GE40.

Still standing by my recommendation of the Illegear RE15 though.
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will now save money for my target hehe..
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 13 2013, 07:49 PM)
thanks for summing up for me thumbup.gif
will now save money for my target hehe..
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Please note the RE15 got some sort of issue now (sound card static). So I have to stop recommending it for a while, please save up for the GS70 (or get the GE60 i7 750) if possible if you need your laptop ASAP.

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Guys, ge40 only comes with a 90w adapter, so if we run full load will it cause any problem?
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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 13 2013, 05:09 PM)
Evening Fellow MSI FanBoi!!  biggrin.gif

Greeting & salutation peace too all and in the worlds smile.gif lolz about DDR3 RAM... using 1.35V... why on DIMMS itself showing it supports 1.5V ? pls check out one highlight yellow

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Note: no worried, total 32GB DDR3 ram is Low voltage ram all running 1.28V... cool and efficient... blush.gif

Edit: maybe What our Wise DR. Eiraku  saying have  more then just 2 cent Flavor... but hey.. i am just over pay goV servant... biggrin.gif
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LOL! Yeah I saw that too when I opened my laptop cover. I thought hey... 1.5V SODIMMs, ok my DDR3 would run. THATS WHY! Its misleading. What do you say eh MSI? tongue.gif

Putting on FAQ on website won't save your ahem... in the country where I stay, its called misrepresentation and lack of sufficient warnings. There's no additional paperwork/flyers that caution the consumer against using regular DDR3 RAM. The local regulatory would strike down hard.

QUOTE(htpkevin @ Sep 13 2013, 08:45 PM)
Guys, ge40 only comes with a 90w adapter, so if we run full load will it cause any problem?
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Shouldn't be a problem if the battery is inserted. It'll help with the additional power draw, should there be any need.
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QUOTE(htpkevin @ Sep 13 2013, 08:45 PM)
Guys, ge40 only comes with a 90w adapter, so if we run full load will it cause any problem?
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Run with the battery inserted AT ALL TIMES if you plan to go full load. If not... well, if I tell my broken adapter story one more time Elysian will flip again lol.

IF you want to run with your battery out (to save battery lifespan or something), go get an MSI spec (Toshiba/Acer seems to use the same AC jack) 120w adapter from eBay or something. Otherwise you run the risk of toasting your AC adapter.

On a lighter note, my Killer WIFI arrived edi, now waiting for my delicious cheapo Hynix DDR3L to come in. Lai lai lai.

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i know it is a stupid question to ask, but i want to ask it anyway.
anyone here use MSI gaming notebook for long term heavy 3d rendering? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(PewPewboom @ Sep 14 2013, 01:21 AM)
i know it is a stupid question to ask, but i want to ask it anyway.
anyone here use MSI gaming notebook for long term heavy 3d rendering?  whistling.gif
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It's not designed for it, but with a thermally efficient rig with a sufficiently powerful GPU like the GT70, why not? Though it really depends on how "long term" you mean by long term - a Dell Precision Workstation with a K5000M GPU might be better suited if you want to render for months on end without stopping. After all, a "gaming" laptop is not really made for "heavy continuous use" scenarios - I don't think normal people play Battlefield 3 continuously for months without stopping.

My GE40 could probably do heavy rendering too in a pinch, but not continuously for a long period of time, as it will probably degrade a lot of things due to heat - it wasn't really designed for thermal efficiency under long term use (or even short term one for that matter lol).

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 14 2013, 01:13 AM)
Run with the battery inserted AT ALL TIMES if you plan to go full load. If not...  well, if I tell my broken adapter story one more time Elysian will flip again lol.

IF you want to run with your battery out (to save battery lifespan or something), go get an MSI spec (Toshiba/Acer seems to use the same AC jack) 120w adapter from eBay or something. Otherwise you run the risk of toasting your AC adapter.

On a lighter note, my Killer WIFI arrived edi, now waiting for my delicious cheapo Hynix DDR3L to come in. Lai lai lai.
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If like gaming wise encounter any problem before due to adapter?
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QUOTE(PewPewboom @ Sep 14 2013, 01:21 AM)
i know it is a stupid question to ask, but i want to ask it anyway.
anyone here use MSI gaming notebook for long term heavy 3d rendering?  whistling.gif
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The newer Keplers unlike older Fermi don't have full fledge CUDA. They are now optimized for gaming and no longer for GPGPU. It'll operate just fine but you don't get good performance unless you go Quadro. I'll pick AMD 8970M for this job. But MSI don't have anything that pairs with a good Intel i7. So you might want to go the barebone/Clevo route.

QUOTE(htpkevin @ Sep 14 2013, 09:56 AM)
If like gaming wise encounter any problem before due to adapter?
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Assuming you're referring to the Wireless adapter? Mine (Killer 1202) tends to disconnect/limited connection when its on idle. LOL! But it never lose connection when stressed or during gaming. Strange.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 13 2013, 07:57 PM)
Please note the RE15 got some sort of issue now (sound card static). So I have to stop recommending it for a while, please save up for the GS70 (or get the GE60 i7 750) if possible if you need your laptop ASAP.
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I think I will save for GS70..
maybe in meantime , GS40 or GS60 will come out? haha
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Hello. May i ask something?
GP60-2OD, i7-4700MQ + Nvidia GT740M + (1920x1080; anti-glare)@RM2999, 4GB, 750GB, W8, steel series KB

GE60-2OC, i5-4200M + Nvidia GT750M(GDDR5) + (1920x1080; anti-glare)@RM3099,8GB, 750GB(7200rpm), W8, steel series KB


Which one better? GDDR5 mean what?
Or other 3k budget laptop for me?
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 14 2013, 01:13 AM)
Run with the battery inserted AT ALL TIMES if you plan to go full load. If not...  well, if I tell my broken adapter story one more time Elysian will flip again lol.

IF you want to run with your battery out (to save battery lifespan or something), go get an MSI spec (Toshiba/Acer seems to use the same AC jack) 120w adapter from eBay or something. Otherwise you run the risk of toasting your AC adapter.

On a lighter note, my Killer WIFI arrived edi, now waiting for my delicious cheapo Hynix DDR3L to come in. Lai lai lai.
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hmm sorry if wrong place... but need opinion thinking or planing to build Micro ATX but MSI GC(lightning or gaming edition), and problem is i am looking proper mini Mobo.. i don't see MSI making any if do any model recommend me? (at moment found only ASRock mobo do mini Mobo... ) my overall budget RM3-4K (i just have Win7 PRO box as preparation to built at moment) oh is it really necessary to buy separate Sound cards? i just listen music /play game... won't do any mixing or producing so on any pro job with sound.. so built in sound(on mobo) be good.. right? smile.gif

Edit: Again AMD FX8350 or Intel i7 4th Gen CPU(price different RM500) ? what different cause i saw only price difference... but...? really?
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