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MSI Gaming Notebook V.II, The Refreshed model yet more powerful!

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horns	Sep 1 2013, 12:09 AM Return to original view \| Post #1
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 31 2013, 09:54 PM) Running 16GB myself - max for the GE40 unfortunately. Buuuut really, I don't think I have ANYTHING that can use that 16GB fully anyway lol. wait until you make a ramdisk with it. when I am not doing vm's I always make a 16gb ramdisk for my other work (out of my 32gb in a g55). you point most if not all the temp folders, web cache to it and you will feel the difference (it's good for machines with ssd's) .. if only there is a 16gb stick now.. :/
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horns	Sep 1 2013, 01:04 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 1 2013, 12:31 AM) well is not new news... but rumor is Samsung have it... need to go there purchase it... (south Korea) as it not allow to export it yet... x http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-16gb-ddr3...-ships-1938155/ here follow up http://www.tweaktown.com/news/24799/samsun...2014/index.html uh? that's for servers. there is no 16gb stick for laptops in the market yet.
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horns	Sep 1 2013, 08:52 AM Return to original view \| Post #3
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 1 2013, 02:53 AM) And THEN there's the problem of finding motherboards that support it. Not sure if my GE40 CAN run more than 16 to begin with. intel's sandy and ivy bridge by right can support up to 32gb. for the previous asus g-series with sandy bridge (which was supposed to support only a maximum of 16gb officially), a friend is running 32gb rams with it (4x8gb). however like you said, really not sure if it can be done :/
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horns	Sep 3 2013, 08:21 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 3 2013, 07:05 PM) Oh, they've had a few issues. TRIM issues, especially with incompressible data... SATA sleep/reconnection issues leading to full on SSD failures... Broken 256-bit AES encryption... Forced proprietary encryption that destroys all hopes of data recovery after catastrophic SSD failures. Stuff like that. See here for details: http://bit.ly/17Ijsaz http://bit.ly/17ImUlF "Firmware update issues" make it sound so trivial. Unfortunately I really don't think inherent design issues with the controller chips themselves can be fixed much with "firmware updates" in the long run. They can delay the problems from coming up, but the inevitable will happen regardless. And we already know Vertex have had issues with dying SSDs as well. Guess what control chips they're using? I'm a reliability guy, hence sticking to Crucial/Plextor for now, or at least anybody NOT using SandFarce controllers OR TLC chips. Yeah.. firmware is important to ssd's. sandforce has the advantage to reduce production costs (there is no need for ram in the products, and ram is expensive), thus making them more affordable. The damage caused by previous sandforce chips was kind of ireversible, especially to its reputation (and those brands that used it), even if the recent versions were reported to be much improved. Intel is the only one that implemented it right (it has the access to optimize the codes far better than others) Afaik, the two common chips in use in most ssd's are still sandforce and marvell. Not all vertex are bad. Vertex 3 used sandforce, but vertex 4 uses rebranded marvell chip (and its not bad). plextor uses marvell. Sandisk switched to marvell too. Samsung uses its own chips. As for tlc vs. mlc, i prefer mlc also. However, tlc with appropriate technologies is getting better. It is likely to replace mlc in consumer grade ssd's in the future. As of now, imo it's better to get those with a marvel/samsung chip and mlc flash. So far, plextor and samsung drives never let me down (from msata to 2.5" form factors) For crucial m500, well, i feel safer when a manufacturer provides its own secure erase tool (some tried to use third party secure erase tools but that ended up rma of their m500). M500 lacks of certain features that allow proper secure erase.
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 12:56 AM Return to original view \| Post #5
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 12:43 AM) Okay, I'd agree that firmware plays an big role, but in the case of the older SandFarce chips, no amount of tweaking on the software level could help the fact that the hardware itself had inherent design flaws, especially when it comes to the SATA reconnection issues. Not sure about the newer chips though. As for the M500, Crucial doesn't have first party secure erase tools available for ALL their SSDs? Or is it just for the M500? From my readings the RMA issues stem with either bad batches of the drive or just some other one-off weird quirkiness. Parted Magic Secure Erase seems to work well for most with the M500 though. I've read nothing yet that suggests the M500 lacks "features" for proper secure erase, it's even advertised as part of the feature set. The lack of first party Disk Management software is slightly worrying though - I understand the feeling of security using first party tools to do something as "destructive" as a full wipe. I DO like Samsung SSDs, especially the fact that they're fast while remaining (very) energy-efficient. I just can't wrap my head around the (still) very low MTF numbers of TLC. After all, my SSD will be the primary drive, with a lot of caching and stuff being done on it. Relocating my caches and other write/read-intensive tasks to my HDD (to save cycles) would generally be counter-productive as I got an SSD for the speed (in writing AND reading) to begin with. Not being so big on "cutting-edge" myself, I'll probably just get a 240GB M4 - the M4 has good speeds, MLC AND good energy-efficiency in use. Plus the firmware should be mature and stable by now. well, most manufacturers have problems with the older sandforce chips I read the issues of crucial m500 at http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Dr...her/td-p/132760 and http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?3...sd-crucial-m500 that's why I suggest the use of a 16gb ram disk for redirection of cache or temps.
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 07:11 AM Return to original view \| Post #6
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 01:27 AM) @horns: Do you have to re-direct your cache and temps to the RAMdrive every time you cold boot? Because I don't run my laptop 24/7, and setting up startup batch commands for all that sounds like a real hassle. Uh? No. Its not that complicated anymore. There are many free ramdisk software now. Most of them are easy to set up, even for newbies.
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 09:13 AM Return to original view \| Post #7
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 08:49 AM) So you can set and forget? Meaning I take say 4GBs of RAM, turn it into disk for caching and temps, and the programs set everything up for me everytime I cold boot? Hmm, that's interesting indeed. yes; you can set and forget that's what i do when i do a new install. try softperfect ramdisk; free, but it's one of the best; no limit on ramdisk size. i do my work in ram disk normally. i set the temporary folders, web cache (chrome, firefox, etc.) and download folder to the ramdisk (i am used to move things away from ram disk before shutdown). note that on every reboot, everything will be set up and start fresh, so you don't need to worry of any leftovers. it's good to be used in laptops because we have battery (acting as ups). the only drawback might be bsod's. well, i never met one yet.
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 10:32 AM Return to original view \| Post #8
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 09:25 AM) While surfing and other general stuff look really tempting with those speeds, I do a lot of writing and BSODs (however remote the chances) aren't exactly my cuppa tea - you might lose PAGES of work EVEN with autosave/autorecovery. Plus I'm running a mixed 1.35v/1.5v RAM combo AT 1.35v (IF the general net consensus regarding how Haswell treats memory is correct), so my RAM might not be the most BSOD-resistant, even if it hasn't given me any trouble YET. So I'll keep the RAMdisk as an interesting project to try out one day. For now, I'm gonna focus on getting a proper SSD first for the access speed boost - most possibly a Crucial M4 for the low power consumption or a Plex M5P. I'll have to get a 9.5mm ODD caddy as well and plan to start with a fresh Win8 install so this is gonna be one mighty fun project. A quick confirmation: Win8's CD-Key is built into the motherboard/BIOS/UEFI right? well that's just my use case just do what you wanna to do. between m4 and plextor, i suggest m5p. m4 is old, while m5p has higher read/writes and iops; it has devslp too. of course, for common usage, in general any decent ssd will do
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 12:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #9
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 10:49 AM) M5P has devsleep? That's just the ticket, couldn't confirm it before this through my searches. If that's so then the M5P it is. sorry i'm wrong. it's m5m that has the devslp. not m5p :/
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horns	Sep 4 2013, 03:05 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 4 2013, 02:21 PM) @Horns: Dangit. Well I'll have to recheck reviews for power consumption figures and see if the vanilla M5P is comparable to the M4 in terms of power consumption. The Sammys are king in power consumption at the low end though, if only they had a well priced MLC based SSD. haha i misread sorry about that true. the sammys are good. i got the 830 and 840 pro (they're nice.. except for the price tags). it's too bad 840 evo uses tlc. i'm still hoping for their new mlc-based ssd's.
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horns	Sep 10 2013, 12:46 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 10:55 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « @jiayi29 and Jomjolu: Welcome to the MSI family!!! CPU temp apps? I personally use HWiNFO64, it's tiny, quick, is native 64-bit and provides all the info I need in cute tiny coloured tray icons. Plus it works with the MSI Afterburner app to provide in-game OSD for temp-monitoring (read: you can check your temps IN GAME). Finally because the developer is a nice guy who QUICKLY repairs whatever problems you can report about his app (personal experience). If you need more WOW bling bling effects, try out Rainmeter. For ULTIMATE customization, there's Samurize, but that's effing hard to set up. As for laptop coolers, it depends; but generally they DO help. Take care in purchasing a cooler though, don't get something that pushes air into the wrong places (check your air intake vents first), and the cheapest "good" cooler I can recommend is the Coolermaster X-Lite II, as it uses a huge-ass fan that blows air EVERYWHERE. As for batteries and plugs... Well, let me tell you a story. I tried gaming on the GE40 with my battery out one time and my adapter got fried. Bzzzt pop. So, while taking the battery out helps prolong the life of the battery, it MIGHT kill (or at least shorten the life of) your adapter - especially if your laptop (the GX60) has strange power consumption habits like my GE40 (130++w max power intake, 90w adapter provided. Go figure). Also if your laptop has NOS advertised (like certain other MSIs like the GT70) DON'T PULL OUT YOUR BATTERY because NOS is just MSI's fancy way of saying "we know for sure this thing will require more power than just your adapter can provide at full load". But then again, the battery is RM500++ and universal adapters are RM100++, so uh... it's your call. @Unseen83: Is it a "Driver Power State Failure" BSOD? If that's the case it's your Bluetooth. Bluetooth has been throwing this error SINCE Vista and I have NO IDEA why Microsoft isn't fixing it. All you need to do is to uncheck "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" under Hardware --> Generic Bluetooth Adapter (or whatever) --> Properties (click on the admin button) --> Power Management. Poof, no more Bluetooth BSODs. That said, besides that particular Bluetooth BSOD (and that HORRIFYING Uxtheme Windows Update conflict that needed me to completely RESET the laptop - PLEASE USE UXSTYLE TO THEME WINDOWS PEOPLE), I have NEVER had any other BSODs or such issues so far. EDIT: "Kernel-Power 41 (63) error" seems to be related to audio driver conflicts. One guy had 3 audio drivers installed at the same time (lolwut?) and he got that error. Try checking your audio drivers if you you get this. i know it's weird but i have 5 different audio drivers installed in this system currently (via system sound; asus xonar u7 usb; sb tactic 3d sigma usb; sb recon3d usb; and steelseries 7h usb). no such issue so far. however, maybe the usb sound will not have such conflicts (plus i don't plug all in at the same time).
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horns	Sep 10 2013, 02:14 PM Return to original view \| Post #12
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 01:38 PM) Well, the guy had 3 drivers FOR ONE DEVICE (his onboard sound) lol. Different drivers for different audio cards/chipsets (including "virtual" devices like the Razer Surround thingy) should be no issue. But than again "drivers" have long been something like alchemy, ever since the early days. It's part science, part luck and part godforsaken black magic mambo jumbo LOL. .. damn. pity the OS trying to make sense of things eventually gave up and showed him the blue face. yeah drivers are always mysterious. with so many driver helpers that work in the background, sometimes it's really a PITA to troubleshooting the actual problems. event logs might be helpful but most of the times you just have no idea what happened :/
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horns	Sep 10 2013, 02:36 PM Return to original view \| Post #13
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 10 2013, 02:30 PM) Event logs lol. Reminds me of last month when I was trying to figure out WTF was causing my GE40 to not boot (the uxtheme issue). Googling other similar cases usually work better than diagnosing event logs, at least in most cases. But yeah, drivers. They either work... or don't, with nary a clue why. Real hocus pocus lol. well yeah google is much better normally i just look for more clues in certain areas of the event viewer before i google haha
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horns	Sep 11 2013, 04:57 PM Return to original view \| Post #14
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	at the early days of adapting to w8, i was uncomfortable with it also (the famous start button syndrome:)). it's like i always go to the usual places for tools but they are not there. however, since i'm used to most win key combos, things were getting better in a week. i just need to learn 2 more win keys, win+x to access system menus, and win+i to access power button. the rest is almost the same. now all the programs i use for home and work are already made compliant to w8. i'm now looking forward to upgrading to w8.1 lol!
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horns	Sep 12 2013, 06:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #15
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 12 2013, 05:10 PM) careful with IC diamond use as thermal paste... i notice it have corrosive effect on chip-set... right it's corrosive. it's fine as long as it works
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horns	Sep 12 2013, 09:03 PM Return to original view \| Post #16
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 07:37 PM) As long as it doesn't spill down to the green IC board below, you'll be fine. If it does... But really, even if IC Diamond is DA BEST paste, the heating performance difference between the top brands is like 1-2c only. If you don't want to live with the risk of holes in your motherboard, just get another top end brand paste that's not corrosive. this is so true it's really fine to use the common ones found in the market. QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 12 2013, 08:18 PM) Yeah I actually googled. Not "corrosive" like the other "corrosive" paste, it's actually "abrasive". And I'd say the chances of scratching something is definitely higher than 3/100 with IC Diamond. Doesn't make it a bad paste, but definitely not newbie friendly when removing it. my heatsink is showing a clear 'corrosive mark' on it (the area that was covered by ic diamond). there was no such 'mark' when i used other pastes, like tuniq tx4, mx4, as5, or prolimatech pk-2/3 (it looks very much like corrosion :/)
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horns	Sep 19 2013, 12:45 PM Return to original view \| Post #17
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	the part that makes msi laptops kantoi is the power supply imo. it's really a pity.
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horns	Sep 19 2013, 03:11 PM Return to original view \| Post #18
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 19 2013, 02:46 PM) haha have to try/test/exp overall MSI GT then... say is pity... good to see you here buddy yeah i see you everywhere apart from the single fan, it was the spec of power brick that made me confused a bit. i did compared the various areas when i looked for the right laptop previously (yeah you know what i want ). i felt confused when i saw that msi extreme comes with a 180W power brick. how come it can be that energy efficient?! (aw r4/17 is 240W when you have higher end cpu/gpu; clevo provides 230W to 330W; even asus is 240W for jh, 780m with 4700hq). msi gt series has the potential to be customized when i want to. the problem is the more stuff i put in, the more power is needed. the power supply can become a serious bottleneck. that's why i said it's a pity.
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horns	Sep 19 2013, 03:49 PM Return to original view \| Post #19
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Sep 19 2013, 03:31 PM) yes i know what you want on notebook to have... x i was also have same critical thinking on Single FAN(why i call my NB HAIR BLOWER lols not dis MSI FANBOI AS i am becoming one too..i also luv ASUS G series) true regarding other Brands provide 240w AC for Gpu with GTX 770m/780m but base on HWinfo64 i don't see any GPU/CPu throttle when playing Crysis3/3Dmark13/Hitman/TombRaider... there no power over spike and reduction of FPS during gaming only i see effect during Gaming/benchmark is Reduce power level from battery.. so i assume MSI GT60/70 effectively use extra power from battery to supply GPU/Cpu if needed during the gaming/test session... and Thermal bridge also help on reduction on thermal... (again this is just my minor report from my own view/EXP ) Edit: Negative of using battery+AC power is wear level of battery... HMM.. and regarding more stuff/add on hardware more power it need.. i think they design NB to operate optimum effecincy and test on180W ac to able supply efficient power to GT60/70... well i hope so they did proper QC/TEST at R&D... well i think my GT70 is full add-on and seem to be okay (touchwood) it's good to see you learning stuff bit by bit yeah my concerns are about power supply mostly. to me this can only lead to one conclusion: with stock configuration, everything will be fine (minor upgrades are fine too). once you start stuffing things into it, the story might be different.
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horns	Sep 19 2013, 04:01 PM Return to original view \| Post #20
\m/ Senior Member 3,038 posts Joined: Nov 2009	QUOTE(Eiraku @ Sep 19 2013, 03:39 PM) Yeah, it's a shame. Thankfully for lower enders like the GE40, I can go scrounge up a 180w adapter for use even I don't really need it. But for the top end to come with a 180w PSU.... It's either they're simply pushing the PSU to the very limit (well, we can't deny this possibility, we're not privy to the REAL tolerances of the PSU) - or MSI broke the laws of physics and got a top end machine running full throttle while sipping below 180w of power. Looking at NOS (and the fact that the higher end 700 cards ALONE pull nearly 100ws of power), we can only say that the former must be true - which means that every MSI PSU is operating on the edge of its operating tolerances with very, very little power leeway to spare. Hence the need for the battery to buffer up the spikes (or risk throttling due to insufficient power). Which in turn, kills the battery... Like Unseen duly noted. Not the best way of going about things, but you gotta sell 'em replacement batteries somehow lol. On a more serious note, let's just say MSI is able to optimise the power consumption to fit the adapters they have. This leads to lower manufacturing costs (savings of which is passed to us, the consumer), but like Horns said, it limits the "upgradability" of the laptop. Well, most people REPLACE their laptops after 2-3 years anyway, and with this in mind what MSI is doing is actually economically sound. don't get me wrong. i believe with the minor change msi laptops might be a better choice to many. well.. we all know pushing psu and battery to the edge can lead to shortened shelf life of both. so i don't agree that savings part is beneficial to us consumers. nevermid.. as long as you're happy with the laptop, that's enough
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