Another accident which can say if the car equip with side curtain airbag MAYBE 2 of them still be alive . Same road which claim 5 live few days ago at Kuching, this times it VIVA vs ISWARA . R.I.P


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unfortunately we drive safely, but other road users dont. so if you drive a vehicle that still lacks the protection, you and your family is still at risk, accidents happens. But new technology reduces damages and protects the occupant better and chances of survival is higher.
Having better protection on a vehicle is better having less or no protection at all.

How to hit the side of a car on a straight road? It's wet, so I suppose the Iswara lost control? ESP could have helped... (though maybe better tyres would have been enough).

I agreed fully.

To simplify things, choose within your budget (plus minus 5%), as long as you have a clear picture and conscience, you decide what you consider as priority:

Resale Value
Fuel Consumption
Low Maintenance
Availability of Parts/Service Centre or
Occupants Safety (or to put it conservatively, chances of survival)

I rest my case.

This post has been edited by E34E36E46: Aug 3 2013, 11:33 PM

driving a safe car definitely makes sense
i feel like shit when i ride in any milo tin old car like taxis

That is why I prefer to take the KLIA Express than to take a taxi, even if 3 persons are sharing the taxi fares.

an iswara is definitely the last in terms of safety
its an 80s design even when collided with a lightweight viva already become like this
cannot imagine what this car will be like when collide with bigger car like accord/camry
definitely

This post has been edited by ezmeer94: Aug 4 2013, 12:04 AM

so which one is more safe ?

honda city
toyota vios
perodua alza
proton preve
nissan almera

no korean n conti cos no budget

I'd expect them to rank as follows:
1. Preve CFE (the only car with side impact protection and stability control, also C segment, so has advantages through that too)
2. Honda City (best frontal protection amongst the rest, higher spec got stability control)
3. Nissan Almera (did well overseas, though it is much better speced. Still, frontal impact protection should be superior to the Vios at least, perhaps even to the City. The 1 airbag version should be at the very bottom)
4. Toyota Vios.

Where the Alza ranks in all of this... who knows. But... in less than one month we should know, because ASEAN NCAP is releasing the next round of crash tests, and it will probably include the Alza, and perhaps even the Almera and Preve.

Keep in mind that the Preve CFE is on a nearly conti level of protection, miles ahead of any of the other cars in your list.

As for budget, the Kia Rio should be well within your budget, or, if you are ok with manual, the Fiesta LX hatchback. Of course resale value for a manual Fiesta will probably be not good at all, and the Rio is sold out for the next half year or so (though that indicates good resale value in future). Both cars are rather small though compared to the rest, especially the Preve.

If you care about safety and (probably) reliability a second hand Prius C could be worth searching for. A 2012 one could fit in your budget, it is reasonably safe and at least the big brother is by far the most reliable Toyota there is, perhaps even the most reliable car on sale, period. The Prius leads all the statistics in terms of reliability and is popular with taxi companies around the world.

http://youtu.be/fsq7yim9CLM

From the video is it the traction control working ?

Hi all

This is list of cars models that has not complied with frontal collision and side collision standards UN R94 and R95 issued by JPJ/road transport department of malaysia

http://www.jpj.gov.my/c/document_library/g...5&groupId=10157

Do you feel safe today?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Aug 17 2013, 05:28 PM

Ford Focus and Fiesta not in the list? 2 of the safest cars in their class? That's a bit surprising. Maybe they couldn't be bothered? The Myvi is in there, so it can't be hard to fulfill the requirements...

The problem with the list is that we don't know what cars are actually on the list. What about less popular models? Are the not there cause they are safe or cause they were just forgotten by JPJ?

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 17 2013, 07:15 PM

These are cars that has NOT complied, and few trims of fiesta and focus are listed

http://arminbaniaz.com/2013/02/peda-called...aw-all.html?m=1

Read all about it

http://www.cbt.com.my/2013/01/01/shocking-...t-for-malaysia/

Vision 2020 that I bet you would not like to be part of

Yes, but of all cars, why would the Fiesta LX 1.4 hatchback and the LX 1.6 sedan be mentioned as insufficient? One has 7 airbags, the other 7 airbags and ESP. Seems like they never updated the list after the cars were upgraded.

I think a list of all cars (including those that passed), with info why a car wasn't accepted would make more sense. Like this it seems rather weird to me. Maybe those older spec cars didn't fulfill the requirements, but newer ones do. But the way the list is now people would just avoid the Fiesta and Focus, even though the ones you can get right now are fine.

And how can the Rio NOT fulfill the requirements? JPJ should explain a bit.

Read this
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/04/13/adopting-...si-lemak-stall/
Lazy to explain. It all comes from whether the assembly kit it selves are compliant to both standards

Showing good in frontal collision test in Aseanncap may argue that one standard r94 is fulfilled but how about the other r95? And like the article said if you think it is all just about putting side airbags , you are just thinking like the stupid government servants----it is really how it is engineered.

I remember you have once talked about Europe spec'd Japanese car is safer than ASEAN spec'd but I think the argument here is do you think ford of Thailand has the same high safety standards just because they do great in EuroNcap? Think and do not assume....bcoz what if some parts are from India or Philippines which happened to be not complied to the standards (just because) they never have to before)

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Aug 18 2013, 04:39 PM

I'm not saying install side airbags and it's fine. I'm saying don't have side airbags and there's no way you'll do well. Like... having a bungee cable when bungee jumping won't _always_ keep you alive, but not having one will most certainly result in your dead. That sort of thinking.

I think that the place where a car is produced only matters to a small degree (how well it is put together, how good the employees are/if they make mistakes). The spec thing is more referring to the equipment and the standards the cars are produced to. The latter we can't see easily, but we know the safety equipment cars have. That is known to us.

Basically it is simply more likely that a EU spec car, even when manufactured in Thailand, will be safer than an ASEAN spec car (i.e. one that lacks most safety features).

Btw. didn't the Fiesta did similar in ASEAN NCAP as it did in EuroNCAP? That suggest it is built to similar standards, at least in safety relevant areas. But until the car is tested we won't know if a EU spec ASEAN made car is as good as the real deal. But it is more likely.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 18 2013, 08:51 PM

Talk to people .If u ride a bike with 2 wheels u are risk in life
Die anytime

there is the obvious difference of No side collision test under ASEAN Ncap first, but even talking about the front collision test, there are 'modifier'... see for yourself

http://www.aseancap.org/protocolfile/NCAPsModifier.pdf

your questions of how origin of manufacturing can make a difference, was actually a FAQ found in ASEANCAP
http://www.aseancap.org/?pg=faq
i cut and pasted here

Why do we need another NCAP in ASEAN since most cars are tested in other NCAP programs around the world?
Since safety standards may vary in different parts of the world, there is a need to evaluate cars’ occupant protection based on NCAP requirement in the region. Though a car model had been evaluated in other NCAP program in the world and scored a good rating, it will not necessarily mean that the car will perform as good in ASEAN NCAP due to the manufacturing origin and quality. Some car models are developed with minimum safety specifications for certain market due to less demand on best safety performance.


and the UNECE R94 vs Asean NCAP frontal collision test also has a bit of diffrence, also from FAQ

What is the difference between ASEAN NCAP frontal test and UNECE regulation frontal test (R94)?
Both tests are conducted in almost identical configuration i.e. the car will be crashed onto a crushable aluminum barrier in an offset position to simulate a crash with another car of about the same weight. However, NCAP test is more severe since the closing speed upon impact is 64 km/h as compared to UNECE R94 at 56 km/h. This will also mean the level of injuries assessed in NCAP is of a higher level than in UNECE R94. There are also some other differences such as the test requirements and the equipment used in these two tests. For example, both tests have different interpretation with regard to rescuing the car occupants in real-world situations.


the list from JPJ is those taht do not comply R94 AND R95, ASEAN NCAP may show the tested one should comply R94 but since no test is done for side collision, so it still should be listed....




This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Aug 19 2013, 09:31 AM