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SUSjolokia
post Jul 27 2013, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 27 2013, 05:23 PM)
Doesn't look like a head on collision to me. The Vios was hit in the front it seems, the Golf was hit in the side. Or perhaps a small overlap crash at high speed. Quite weird. We don't get to see the other side of the Vios btw.

They say it happened while overtaking, the Golf couldn't make it back on it's lane in time. That suggest small overlap, but also a crash that should have occured on the right side of the car. Look at the Vios, it is limping, the right side looks like it is completely gone, while the front left wheel is still attached. The door is dented, perhaps from the attempt to open the door. It looks much more like the Golf U-turning and the Vios crashing into it sideways, because the car is dented in a way that suggest the impact was on the right side of the car, and you can also see the left side of the front end of the Golf looking rather intact.

Doesn't match the description though, but how about the Vios and the Golf colliding, then the Golf spun out of control and into the pole you can see in the background (or another one we can't see). That's what has brought the car totally out of shape. That would also explain why the left front end of the Golf is relatively ok, where it should be completely crumpled.
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A bit difficult to accept king of conti common car get such a damages which unsafe Vios still look OK.

Lots of made up story base on a single photo shot isn't it, some support article would make ur story more believable.

How about mine, despite equipped with full passive safety features & pass Euro NCAP crash test, the Golf crumble like a Streuselkuchen when it meet an accident with a less safe little Asians Toyota Vios, no wonder Toyota r so confidence to only fit in 2 air bags in it without esp.

Motto of the story don't fully believe in conti tech...lol...or conti man.

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post Jul 28 2013, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 28 2013, 02:50 AM)
Great illustration. I think dares angle makes sense, however I think the right of the Vios should have been the point of impact, but that wouldn't work. The Metro pic doesn't show any damage apart from the side impact, so that is where the Vios had hooked in.

I doubt the Golf was out of control, it should have ESP and handle well enough. Getting it to go completely sideways isn't easy.

While the damage does look a bit odd, I suppose it could be possible. The Vios isn't per se a weak car, it just lacks in side protection and skid protection.

I've had an accident at such an angle before (but from back to the front), the damage to my Citroen was relatively big (bad angle I suppose...) compared to the damage to the other car that hid my side (Focus). Both cars are from the early 00s. The speed was low so not much happened, even the side airbags didn't have to deploy, neither did the front airbag of the Focus. That the Vios didn't suffer so much damage doesn't surprise me, that the driver died does. The speeds must have been rather high... probably the Vios going around the speed limit perhaps, the VW since it was trying to overtake more? I can imagine that due to the angle the Vios was redirected, and the driver must have hit the airbag at a suboptimal angle and moved on into the A pillar or something like that.

The Golf position really confuses me. I can see how the Vios was redirected a bit towards the center of the road, but the Golf? The Vios must really have hooked into the Golf and sent it backwards, but it is a lighter car...

If the Golf driver had gone for a straight head on collision, with as much overlap as possible, perhaps everyone could have survived (well, at least those in the Golf, due to it being the bigger car).

Keep in mind the smaller the overlap, the more serious the accident, because it is much tougher on the car/crumple zone. Unless you drive that Suzuki D segment car or a Volvo (or an ancient Citroen DS).
cars have systems to redirect the car in a small overlap crash.
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My guess why casualty of Vios driver.
Malaysia is a Right hand drive country, driver seat at Right side.

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post Jul 28 2013, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 28 2013, 10:40 AM)
But the Golf was damaged only on the left side, which would indicate that unless the Golf had done a 180 (which is pretty unlikely, unless they pulled the handbrake perhaps) the Vios would have to have hit the Golf with it's left side too. And even so, a frontal collision should be fine for a Vios. It is a bit softer than the Fiesta, but it's still okayish. I could imagine that the driver missed the airbag, or not have worn seatbelts. Or the crash happened at a too high speed, but then we should be seeing more damage to the Vios.
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Come to think of it why few adults like us wasting time to think how the accident occurred base on single photo, what ever it is, it's water under the bridge, take it as a lesson that no car is perfectly safe, drive carefully, have patient, don't speed, never drink & drive, avoid using cellphone in car unless u r passenger.
Cheer up its a Sunday, let's enjoy it with friends & family, again drive carefully.
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post Aug 3 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 3 2013, 01:27 AM)
So what?

These two crashed into each other:
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No chance of survival whatsoever in the Bel Air.

Wira:
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Fiesta:
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The point is to pick the car that, under the same circumstances, offers the (almost) best protection. Not all crashes are between lorry and car. And if you crash into a Wira for example, your chances of survival are simply much better in a modern safe car than a Wira or Iswara. There is no guarantee to survive, but the chances are higher. That was the point of this thread, and all that you have managed to show is that there can be freak accidents. doh.gif
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Comparing a 50s, 60s, 80s car with a newer Fiesta ? Wira r 80/90s tech car surely the safety standard is low, why not take once very famous conti car Traban to do a crash test then ? Or German icon the 60s VW Beatles ? I remember seen how bad VW Beatles end up in Euro NCAP crash test.
I do believed many would have bought a better car if they can afford one, then again merely been equips with safety gadgets is just one of the criteria in choosing a right car, reliability of the car is crucial, future maintenance cost, availability of parts, RV is too equally important for Malaysia consumer, as car here r expensive, some Conti car may says there gave this & that but how reliable that this & that would work during emergency or this & that would not fail, many Conti car r famous for electronic & electrical problems, isn't many of these so call safety gadgets r controlled electronically ? Eg. Would the infamous VW DSG problems actually cause accident while u driving ?
My point is reliability of the car r equally important if not more crucial than fancy tech safety gadgets.


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post Aug 3 2013, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 3 2013, 01:28 PM)
You just don't understand, or don't want to, right?

I am saying old cars in general are not safe. And by old I mean old designs. It doesn't matter if it is still produced. A 2013 produces Iswara would still be very dangerous. The same goes for an old Mercedes, Volvo, ... Any old car is dangerous, period. That is the point. I do have crash test results for the Wira, and it is a popular car in Malaysia. No point showing people a car they have never seen is unsafe. (btw. the Trabant isn't so bad... It simply won't reach a high enough speed laugh.gif ).

Did EuroNCAP really test the Beetle? Can you show me any proof? I'd like to see photos/videos of that. They only started testing in 1997... and cars that were already on the market and then tested were quite bad. Especially some small Rover which was essentially a car from the 70s with few visual changes.

DSG can hardly cause accidents. Toyotas are much more prone to that. Brake failure, accelerator stuck, ...
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I believe ur quotes r similar to Marie Antoinette "let them eat brioche" do u think people here have choice ? car is expensive & salary r low in Malaysia, people may use a same car for 20 years.
Anyway Iswara & Wira alreadt cease production years ago, replaced by new Saga & Persona maybe even CPS Preve in case u donno.
Just seach for old beetle crash test in YouTube, if I am not mistaken old Beetle still in production in Mexico untill few years back, ...lol... lasting German tech indeed.
Imagine the whole gearbox jam in the middle of highway, should I said "Das Gefahr"
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post Aug 20 2013, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(izutaisa @ Aug 20 2013, 09:46 AM)
anything but korean car. i even willing to take preveĀ  rolleyes.gif
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Our Korean Apple polisher cybermasyer forgot mentioned Preve too earn 5 stars in ANCAP.

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