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 How do I get a turbo system installation, On my KIA Forte?

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jayraptor
post Aug 2 2013, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Jul 30 2013, 09:24 AM)
So.. how do you explain AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS and all those aftermarket tuners that make the original car 10x better? You can argue they have support from the manufacturer, but that's about all they have. The manufacturer doesn't support their cars or anything, just the name association.

Efficient as manufacturer? My ancient old Wira (which has a Mitsubishi engine if you don't know) is working better than it did when I first bought it. All modifications were DIY-ed except for machining, that one goes to the ah-chu ah-kao metal shop to do based on my requirements. My FC is better than stock, my base power figures is better than stock and back then even the 3-speed gearbox was still around and doing better than some if not most manual equivalents.

Highest 15km/L, lowest 11km/L with a heavy foot and/or sensible driving. 94whp vs the 80whp stock (mines an auto, so stock should be 74whp thereabouts). Maintenance is exactly the same as stock.

Not turbo charged. And definitely not big on motorsports. I do once in a while but that doesn't affect the car whatsoever.

So are you telling me Mitsubishi were a bunch of fools who couldn't do better than self-taught DIY-er like me? Or are you calling me a liar?
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AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS, etc, they are at least something like licensed modders in cooperation with carmakers. Therefore, these mods are professionally done as they done proper calculation and those air intake, exhaust, etc were done specifically for the make/models that they are made for.

We are talking about those who pull piping and install turbocharger, exhaust on their own here. If they only get 1 or 2 parts from TRD but the piping for air intake and exhaust are made of dunno where they get material, this is where the problem comes.

This is for those who still wanted to argue about ori Lancer GT '07-12 vs Inspira:
None of you bunch can tell the difference on the kerb weight Lancer GT 1385kg
compared to Inspira 16" rim 1335kg while with Inspira 17" rim + bodykit only at 1350kg. THis is not obvious enough on the difference. Stop taking the downgraded GT on website to compare. Who is the troll, you bunch ofcourse that rely so much on website. MMC technical department already hinted where the difference. If you bunch still unhappy and wanted to clarify further, check with MMC technical department. Why so afraid to check with them?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Aug 2 2013, 10:27 PM
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post Aug 2 2013, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 2 2013, 10:26 PM)
AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS, etc, they are at least something like licensed modders in cooperation with carmakers. Therefore, these mods are professionally done as they done proper calculation and those air intake, exhaust, etc were done specifically for the make/models that they are made for.

We are talking about those who pull piping and install turbocharger, exhaust on their own here. If they only get 1 or 2 parts from TRD but the piping for air intake and exhaust are made of dunno where they get material, this is where the problem comes.

This is for those who still wanted to argue about ori Lancer GT '07-12 vs Inspira:
None of you bunch can tell the difference on the kerb weight Lancer GT 1385kg
compared to Inspira 16" rim 1335kg while with Inspira 17" rim + bodykit only at 1350kg. THis is not obvious enough on the difference. Stop taking the downgraded GT on website to compare. Who is the troll, you bunch ofcourse that rely so much on website. MMC technical department already hinted where the difference. If you bunch still unhappy and wanted to clarify further, check with MMC technical department. Why so afraid to check with them?
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What did they hinted?
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post Aug 3 2013, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 29 2013, 11:14 AM)
Come to think about it, Jayraptor's replies feels exactly like Kyheng.
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oh damn nostalgia lol
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post Aug 3 2013, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(izso @ Jul 30 2013, 09:24 AM)
So.. how do you explain AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS and all those aftermarket tuners that make the original car 10x better?

My FC is better than stock, my base power figures is better than stock and back then even the 3-speed gearbox was still around and doing better than some if not most manual equivalents.

Highest 15km/L, lowest 11km/L with a heavy foot and/or sensible driving. 94whp vs the 80whp stock (mines an auto, so stock should be 74whp thereabouts). Maintenance is exactly the same as stock.
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LOVE AMS man, their AMS alpha 12 GTR, around/more than 3 times the horse power... omg wub.gif

and ya same for my iswara. FC the same, if not worse. however the 163km/h top speed as per the brochure is easily shattered despite running on the still stock 4g15 engine 3 speeder auto XD
but how come my whp only 60 while yours so high sad.gif
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post Aug 3 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 2 2013, 10:26 PM)
AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS, etc, they are at least something like licensed modders in cooperation with carmakers. Therefore, these mods are professionally done as they done proper calculation and those air intake, exhaust, etc were done specifically for the make/models that they are made for.

We are talking about those who pull piping and install turbocharger, exhaust on their own here. If they only get 1 or 2 parts from TRD but the piping for air intake and exhaust are made of dunno where they get material, this is where the problem comes.

This is for those who still wanted to argue about ori Lancer GT '07-12 vs Inspira:
None of you bunch can tell the difference on the kerb weight Lancer GT 1385kg
compared to Inspira 16" rim 1335kg while with Inspira 17" rim + bodykit only at 1350kg. THis is not obvious enough on the difference. Stop taking the downgraded GT on website to compare. Who is the troll, you bunch ofcourse that rely so much on website. MMC technical department already hinted where the difference. If you bunch still unhappy and wanted to clarify further, check with MMC technical department. Why so afraid to check with them?
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I dont care la wat they hinted, I just wan the 50kg rear metal bar of lgt that u mentioned. Other than tis i'm not interested.
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post Aug 3 2013, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 2 2013, 10:26 PM)
AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS, etc, they are at least something like licensed modders in cooperation with carmakers. Therefore, these mods are professionally done as they done proper calculation and those air intake, exhaust, etc were done specifically for the make/models that they are made for.

We are talking about those who pull piping and install turbocharger, exhaust on their own here. If they only get 1 or 2 parts from TRD but the piping for air intake and exhaust are made of dunno where they get material, this is where the problem comes.

This is for those who still wanted to argue about ori Lancer GT '07-12 vs Inspira:
None of you bunch can tell the difference on the kerb weight Lancer GT 1385kg
compared to Inspira 16" rim 1335kg while with Inspira 17" rim + bodykit only at 1350kg. THis is not obvious enough on the difference. Stop taking the downgraded GT on website to compare. Who is the troll, you bunch ofcourse that rely so much on website. MMC technical department already hinted where the difference. If you bunch still unhappy and wanted to clarify further, check with MMC technical department. Why so afraid to check with them?
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'Proper calculation'... riiiight. Like how the AMG black SL had so much torque the wheels couldn't handle it and the traction control system went crazy whenever someone floored it in a corner? Pretty good "proper calculation" by AMG.


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post Aug 4 2013, 12:16 AM

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should get a super charger instead more reliable
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post Aug 4 2013, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 2 2013, 10:26 PM)
AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS, etc, they are at least something like licensed modders in cooperation with carmakers. Therefore, these mods are professionally done as they done proper calculation and those air intake, exhaust, etc were done specifically for the make/models that they are made for.

We are talking about those who pull piping and install turbocharger, exhaust on their own here. If they only get 1 or 2 parts from TRD but the piping for air intake and exhaust are made of dunno where they get material, this is where the problem comes.

This is for those who still wanted to argue about ori Lancer GT '07-12 vs Inspira:
None of you bunch can tell the difference on the kerb weight Lancer GT 1385kg
compared to Inspira 16" rim 1335kg while with Inspira 17" rim + bodykit only at 1350kg. THis is not obvious enough on the difference. Stop taking the downgraded GT on website to compare. Who is the troll, you bunch ofcourse that rely so much on website. MMC technical department already hinted where the difference. If you bunch still unhappy and wanted to clarify further, check with MMC technical department. Why so afraid to check with them?
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FYI those people who design performance parts and stuff always override the manufacturer design... they dont need to know what manufacturer design as the basics law is there. BTW all the cars is mod by human....

AMG TRD or bla bla bla mod is still at minimal where it still can be improved!

Okay lets say about tuning.... do you understand OEM tuning and Custom tuning? Do you think OEM tuning is safe?

Stock car is powerful or optimum power? well my 1981 saga can even tapao ur car in reverse gear....

Mod has no limit.... the thing that limit u is your brain
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post Aug 4 2013, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Aug 4 2013, 05:13 AM)
FYI those people who design performance parts and stuff always override the manufacturer design... they dont need to know what manufacturer design as the basics law is there. BTW all the cars is mod by human....

AMG TRD or bla bla bla mod is still at minimal where it still can be improved!

Okay lets say about tuning.... do you understand OEM tuning and Custom tuning? Do you think OEM tuning is safe?

Stock car is powerful or optimum power? well my 1981 saga can even tapao ur car in reverse gear....

Mod has no limit.... the thing that limit u is your brain
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got saga that time or not sweat.gif

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post Aug 4 2013, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Aug 4 2013, 05:13 AM)
FYI those people who design performance parts and stuff always override the manufacturer design... they dont need to know what manufacturer design as the basics law is there. BTW all the cars is mod by human....

AMG TRD or bla bla bla mod is still at minimal where it still can be improved!

Okay lets say about tuning.... do you understand OEM tuning and Custom tuning? Do you think OEM tuning is safe?

Stock car is powerful or optimum power? well my 1981 saga can even tapao ur car in reverse gear....

Mod has no limit.... the thing that limit u is your brain
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He dun understand what is tunning la...
I told him lgt 2011 and inspira 2011 have exact same tuning map.. He also dun understand.. Keep says diff
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post Aug 4 2013, 06:11 PM

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hahahaha 1981 u got me lols
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post Aug 4 2013, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Aug 4 2013, 06:11 PM)
hahahaha 1981 u got me lols
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post Aug 4 2013, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Aug 4 2013, 07:26 PM)
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lols.....

now bored iow
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:50 AM)
malas reply liao. shakehead.gif
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tell me about it, i also malas with his flawed replies in another thread. lol.laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Alan @ Jul 31 2013, 09:57 AM)
I think, usually manufacturers' original setting is more pessimistic to cover the reliability in very harsh condition (tested in dessert or antarctic area), that some people got the ecu re-mapped to get better fuel consumption (maybe ignition timing earlier/air-fuel ratio to lean,... ), what ever car it is. Maybe some tuner is crap, but it should not be all.
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not just that, stock/original manufacturer's oem parts, piping and etc are build and design to meet the strict emission control set by this global agencies, so call the environment friendly rules. and car manufacturers design and build the engine and everything to meet various aspects such as production cost, emission like i said, fuel quality in different region, NVH, comfort and etc. hence, there are reasons why aftermarket parts exist. for example the stock exhaust, piping is smaller, with cat-con, with extra large restrictive muffler and midbox to meet the NVH and emission standard. it doesnt mean larger piping and free flowing exhaust is bad, its just more noisy, less comfort and not environment friendly. if according to that idiot who keep saying oem parts are god. we do not need this forum anymore to discuss modification. just drive stock car like those uncles. everything that is engineered in this world be it cars, phones, electronics devices and etc, in stock/original condition, we engineers always have to ensure that there is some room for error in its design efficiency or capabilities. so meaning put a car for example, the engines in stock form are design in a way it is less power and etc for room for error like worse fuel quality in other countries. that is why u hear ppl say re-tune the ECU gain power and torque, its not gaining, you are just tuning the engine to perform what it is capable to do with our better fuel quality in this region. if u have more basic mods like free flowing exhaust and better air intake than stock, u even gain more. as simple as that. you gain power and torque thru burning more fuel and air, sure higher FC lar. but why some ppl drive a modded car gain better FC? if you drive the car the normal way, you could lead to better FC coz you will be ez on the throttle to gain certain power or acceleration that you need to throttle more before you mod your ride. simple. but trust me, that jayraptor will come with even more awesome theories to reply here. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Aug 4 2013, 11:02 PM)
not just that, stock/original manufacturer's oem parts, piping and etc are build and design to meet the strict emission control set by this global agencies, so call the environment friendly rules. and car manufacturers design and build the engine and everything to meet various aspects such as production cost, emission like i said, fuel quality in different region, NVH, comfort and etc. hence, there are reasons why aftermarket parts exist. for example the stock exhaust, piping is smaller, with cat-con, with extra large restrictive muffler and midbox to meet the NVH and emission standard. it doesnt mean larger piping and free flowing exhaust is bad, its just more noisy, less comfort and not environment friendly. if according to that idiot who keep saying oem parts are god. we do not need this forum anymore to discuss modification. just drive stock car like those uncles. everything that is engineered in this world be it cars, phones, electronics devices and etc, in stock/original condition, we engineers always have to ensure that there is some room for error in its design efficiency or capabilities. so meaning put a car for example, the engines in stock form are design in a way it is less power and etc for room for error like worse fuel quality in other countries. that is why u hear ppl say re-tune the ECU gain power and torque, its not gaining, you are just tuning the engine to perform what it is capable to do with our better fuel quality in this region. if u have more basic mods like free flowing exhaust and better air intake than stock, u even gain more. as simple as that. you gain power and torque thru burning more fuel and air, sure higher FC lar. but why some ppl drive a modded car gain better FC? if you drive the car the normal way, you could lead to better FC coz you will be ez on the throttle to gain certain power or acceleration that you need to throttle more before you mod your ride. simple. but trust me, that jayraptor will come with even more awesome theories to reply here.  tongue.gif
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First of all.. Emission control does not exist.. (according to professor jayraptor)

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INTERDASTING!!

Turbo-ing Forte need to have super serious discussion! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(aaaeye @ Aug 5 2013, 07:07 AM)
INTERDASTING!!

Turbo-ing Forte need to have super serious discussion!  biggrin.gif
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Waste of time IMO smile.gif

Gouki,
Can't u type in paragraphs?! So difficult to read with my old eyes...
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Aug 4 2013, 11:02 PM)
not just that, stock/original manufacturer's oem parts, piping and etc are build and design to meet the strict emission control set by this global agencies, so call the environment friendly rules. and car manufacturers design and build the engine and everything to meet various aspects such as production cost, emission like i said, fuel quality in different region, NVH, comfort and etc. hence, there are reasons why aftermarket parts exist. for example the stock exhaust, piping is smaller, with cat-con, with extra large restrictive muffler and midbox to meet the NVH and emission standard. it doesnt mean larger piping and free flowing exhaust is bad, its just more noisy, less comfort and not environment friendly. if according to that idiot who keep saying oem parts are god. we do not need this forum anymore to discuss modification. just drive stock car like those uncles. everything that is engineered in this world be it cars, phones, electronics devices and etc, in stock/original condition, we engineers always have to ensure that there is some room for error in its design efficiency or capabilities. so meaning put a car for example, the engines in stock form are design in a way it is less power and etc for room for error like worse fuel quality in other countries. that is why u hear ppl say re-tune the ECU gain power and torque, its not gaining, you are just tuning the engine to perform what it is capable to do with our better fuel quality in this region. if u have more basic mods like free flowing exhaust and better air intake than stock, u even gain more. as simple as that. you gain power and torque thru burning more fuel and air, sure higher FC lar. but why some ppl drive a modded car gain better FC? if you drive the car the normal way, you could lead to better FC coz you will be ez on the throttle to gain certain power or acceleration that you need to throttle more before you mod your ride. simple. but trust me, that jayraptor will come with even more awesome theories to reply here.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alkt @ Aug 6 2013, 09:38 PM)
Waste of time IMO smile.gif

Gouki,
Can't u type in paragraphs?! So difficult to read with my old eyes...
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wall of text...
i lost it after the 4th line.. have to re-read...
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