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 How do I get a turbo system installation, On my KIA Forte?

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post Jul 30 2013, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 29 2013, 11:55 PM)
What a bunch of modders that think those local modify workshop can come up with proper turbocharger that could generate optimum output, torque & FC? FYI, whatever those local modify workshops can do are limited to whatever custom kits they can bring in and tune from there. The piping are so badly done that they are not even as efficient as what car manufacturer can produce.

You can tune up the car to have more power but do not expect it to be as effective and efficient as those cars that come with turbocharger by default eg. Pug 508 1.6T, Mondeo 2.0T, BMW 2.0T, VW Passat 1.8T, etc. I call these cars that are sold with turbocharger well built with optimum efficiency. Optimum means able to focus on performance as well as FC & maintenance in long run.

Those owners who sent their non-turbo cars with NA engine to fit turbocharger at local modify workshops, those are nothing more than motorsport fun. In reality on FC saving or maintenance wise, they are nothing close to optimum.

Don't talk about Toyota, Honda turbocharger, they are not the best in this. You want to talk about efficient & optimum turbocharger, refer Ford, Pug, VW, BMW, Audi as these carmakers are more advanced in anyway. Japanese made are reliable but when comes to GDI engine, diesel engine, turbocharger/supercharger, NVH, handling and build quality, the conti are still ahead. Japanese made beat conti only in terms of sales, reliability & after sales service. They didn't beat conti in everything.
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post Jul 30 2013, 06:50 AM

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post Jul 30 2013, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:50 AM)
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Already told u.. He knows everything..(at least he think)
He dun accept other ppl opinion or knowledge..
I did a comparison bit by bit for lancer GT 2011 and inspira 2011 , ecu mapping.. Told him was the same.. He says I lie..
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 30 2013, 08:33 AM)
Already told u.. He knows everything..(at least he think)
He dun accept other ppl opinion or knowledge..
I did a comparison bit by bit for lancer GT 2011 and inspira 2011 , ecu mapping.. Told him was the same.. He says I lie..
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He got serious Dunning-Kruger effect symptom also known as Jayraptor-Kyheng effect.
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post Jul 30 2013, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 30 2013, 08:40 AM)
He got serious Dunning-Kruger effect symptom also known as Jayraptor-Kyheng effect.
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I see the map with my eyes.. work it with my hands...
He look at websites and brochure.. And he says he is correct and I lie .. So juz let him kok lor.. U use fact argue with him no point geh
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post Jul 30 2013, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 30 2013, 08:51 AM)
I see the map with my eyes.. work it with my hands...
He look at websites and brochure.. And he says he is correct and I lie .. So juz let him kok lor.. U use fact argue with him no point geh
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post Jul 30 2013, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 30 2013, 08:51 AM)
I see the map with my eyes.. work it with my hands...
He look at websites and brochure.. And he says he is correct and I lie .. So juz let him kok lor.. U use fact argue with him no point geh
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Haha.

Did he explain what 50kg bar is?
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post Jul 30 2013, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 29 2013, 11:55 PM)
What a bunch of modders that think those local modify workshop can come up with proper turbocharger that could generate optimum output, torque & FC? FYI, whatever those local modify workshops can do are limited to whatever custom kits they can bring in and tune from there. The piping are so badly done that they are not even as efficient as what car manufacturer can produce.

You can tune up the car to have more power but do not expect it to be as effective and efficient as those cars that come with turbocharger by default eg. Pug 508 1.6T, Mondeo 2.0T, BMW 2.0T, VW Passat 1.8T, etc. I call these cars that are sold with turbocharger well built with optimum efficiency. Optimum means able to focus on performance as well as FC & maintenance in long run.

Those owners who sent their non-turbo cars with NA engine to fit turbocharger at local modify workshops, those are nothing more than motorsport fun. In reality on FC saving or maintenance wise, they are nothing close to optimum.

Don't talk about Toyota, Honda turbocharger, they are not the best in this. You want to talk about efficient & optimum turbocharger, refer Ford, Pug, VW, BMW, Audi as these carmakers are more advanced in anyway. Japanese made are reliable but when comes to GDI engine, diesel engine, turbocharger/supercharger, NVH, handling and build quality, the conti are still ahead. Japanese made beat conti only in terms of sales, reliability & after sales service. They didn't beat conti in everything.
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So.. how do you explain AMG, Alpina, TRD, Mugen, AMS and all those aftermarket tuners that make the original car 10x better? You can argue they have support from the manufacturer, but that's about all they have. The manufacturer doesn't support their cars or anything, just the name association.

Efficient as manufacturer? My ancient old Wira (which has a Mitsubishi engine if you don't know) is working better than it did when I first bought it. All modifications were DIY-ed except for machining, that one goes to the ah-chu ah-kao metal shop to do based on my requirements. My FC is better than stock, my base power figures is better than stock and back then even the 3-speed gearbox was still around and doing better than some if not most manual equivalents.

Highest 15km/L, lowest 11km/L with a heavy foot and/or sensible driving. 94whp vs the 80whp stock (mines an auto, so stock should be 74whp thereabouts). Maintenance is exactly the same as stock.

Not turbo charged. And definitely not big on motorsports. I do once in a while but that doesn't affect the car whatsoever.

So are you telling me Mitsubishi were a bunch of fools who couldn't do better than self-taught DIY-er like me? Or are you calling me a liar?

This post has been edited by izso: Jul 30 2013, 09:28 AM
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post Jul 30 2013, 10:23 AM

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Add 50kg metal bar will make any turbo car going efficient...fc oso better, smooth ride and neck-wrecking when in full takeout!

Right, jayraptor?
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post Jul 30 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Jul 30 2013, 10:23 AM)
Add 50kg metal bar will make any turbo car going efficient...fc oso better, smooth ride and neck-wrecking when in full takeout!

Right, jayraptor?
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post Jul 30 2013, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 30 2013, 10:46 AM)
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Lancer GT got turbo?

Mehhhh, dream on jayraptor.

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Never argue with stupid people jaycraptor, they he will drag you down to their his level and then beat you with experience stuff he read from brochure and websites.

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post Jul 30 2013, 08:35 PM

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IMO..why turbo in an auto transmission car?
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QUOTE(bcmengs @ Jul 30 2013, 08:35 PM)
IMO..why turbo in an auto transmission car?
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Ehh you might not know,turbo help auto a lot also smile.gif
You get a lot more mid range torque which is good for AT car provided your turbo sizing and condition is ok
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:22 PM)
Never argue with stupid people jaycraptor, they he will drag you down to their his level and then beat you with experience stuff he read from brochure and websites.
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I think, usually manufacturers' original setting is more pessimistic to cover the reliability in very harsh condition (tested in dessert or antarctic area), that some people got the ecu re-mapped to get better fuel consumption (maybe ignition timing earlier/air-fuel ratio to lean,... ), what ever car it is. Maybe some tuner is crap, but it should not be all.
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QUOTE(Alan @ Jul 31 2013, 09:57 AM)
I think, usually manufacturers' original setting is more pessimistic to cover the reliability in very harsh condition (tested in dessert or antarctic area), that some people got the ecu re-mapped to get better fuel consumption (maybe ignition timing earlier/air-fuel ratio to lean,... ), what ever car it is. Maybe some tuner is crap, but it should not be all.
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Whatever jayraptor says is final and not questionable..
No need to debate with him
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post Jul 31 2013, 10:45 AM

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back to the topic... so any good suggestion to plant in turbo for my Forte as well? I can't be losing out to a Dugong..
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 31 2013, 10:45 AM)
back to the topic... so any good suggestion to plant in turbo for my Forte as well? I can't be losing out to a Dugong..
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Find a shop that fabricate turbo kit and get a quote
For tuning wise,you can look into solution such as AEM FI6,EMS etc piggyback
Always remember,tuning is one of most important process for successful BOT smile.gif
Budget about 2k for tuning,5k or so for custom turbo kit
No need top shelf component,just make sure no notorious mistake is make and you are good to go
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you can try search Turbodottcomm. They should have no problems doing a Forte. recently they just finished a CR-Z and the output is pretty decent, till the clutch started slipping. Price are pretty reasonable as well

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