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post Feb 5 2015, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 12:59 AM)
thanx for the long reply. appreciate that bro. very informative.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

can u help me to choose which one i should pick for 240gb.

Plextor M6s
samsung evo 850
intel 730

all ssd listed above have similar price(plextor the cheapest).. can you give me the simplest benchmark chart for ssd performance as i dunno which chart i can refer to... (sorry very noob about ssd... sweat.gif )
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All your choices are on the pricier side.

May be you can consider Kingston HyperX, there's ongoing experiment with a lucky unit still kicking after years of abuse. laugh.gif
http://www.lowyat.net/2014/12/two-ssds-sur...-worth-of-data/

Another thing to note is Samsung's Pro line > EVO line (inb4 youdontsay).

For asking price of 850 evo, I still too paranoid to believe in the durability of TLC (with 3D NAND) and will opt for conventional MLC SSD which should have a similar durability as of TLC (with 3D NAND).

This post has been edited by Human10: Feb 5 2015, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Feb 5 2015, 01:19 AM)
All your choices are on the pricier side.

May be you can consider Kingston HyperX, there's ongoing experiment with a lucky unit still kicking after years of abuse. laugh.gif
http://www.lowyat.net/2014/12/two-ssds-sur...-worth-of-data/

Another thing to note is Samsung's Pro line > EVO line (inb4 youdontsay).

For asking price of 850 evo, I still too paranoid to believe in the durability of TLC (with 3D NAND) and will opt for conventional MLC SSD which should have a similar durability as of TLC (with 3D NAND).
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err.. u hav any suggestion for less pricier? hmm.gif

wow! 1000 years data? rclxub.gif but seems nobody using kingston ssd.. sweat.gif

are u saying that 850 evo stil not "matured" enuf?
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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 01:42 AM)
err.. u hav any suggestion for less pricier? hmm.gif

wow! 1000 years data? rclxub.gif but seems nobody using kingston ssd.. sweat.gif

are u saying that 850 evo stil not "matured" enuf?
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SLC > MLC > TLC

But samsung is charging premium on its TLC for which they manage to make TLC with durability on par with MLC (they claimed).

I certainly not willing to be paying premium to be white rat, LOL...

BTW, Kingston divide their SSD into 3 line - normal, HyperX Fury and HyperX 3k.

Your budget should be able to afford their best offer, HyperX 3k.

This post has been edited by Human10: Feb 5 2015, 01:49 AM
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post Feb 5 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 12:59 AM)
thanx for the long reply. appreciate that bro. very informative.. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

can u help me to choose which one i should pick for 240gb.

Plextor M6s
samsung evo 850
intel 730

all ssd listed above have similar price(plextor the cheapest).. can you give me the simplest benchmark chart for ssd performance as i dunno which chart i can refer to... (sorry very noob about ssd... sweat.gif )
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i will pick m6s. it's not the best drive of the three in terms of endurance (intel 730) and speed (850 evo) but it almost has the best of both worlds imo. (good mlc nand; decent controller; ram cache software)

intel 730 is essentially an enterprise-grade consumer ssd. like any other enterprise offerings, it's about relative endurance, rather than speed. 850 evo, well it's expensive.

i'm sorry i don't have charts to show you. it's better you check out benchmark charts from review sites. just know that reviews and performance charts are just for reference. for general use, imo they don't really matter.

QUOTE(Human10 @ Feb 5 2015, 01:19 AM)
All your choices are on the pricier side.

May be you can consider Kingston HyperX, there's ongoing experiment with a lucky unit still kicking after years of abuse. laugh.gif
http://www.lowyat.net/2014/12/two-ssds-sur...-worth-of-data/

Another thing to note is Samsung's Pro line > EVO line (inb4 youdontsay).

For asking price of 850 evo, I still too paranoid to believe in the durability of TLC (with 3D NAND) and will opt for conventional MLC SSD which should have a similar durability as of TLC (with 3D NAND).
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about endurance, yes tlc is the lowest. however with the right use cases, i think it still work fine. a decent system setup today involves a ssd is used as a boot/app/game drive. hdd is used for data downloads and storage. this is the simplest yet better combo, leveraging on their respective strengths, not weaknesses. if you wanna use ssd solely for storage, you should pick enterprise ssds, not consumer grade.

i always suspect bad drives that involved even mlc nand might not be flash-related but other components in the ssd.

QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 01:42 AM)
err.. u hav any suggestion for less pricier? hmm.gif

wow! 1000 years data? rclxub.gif but seems nobody using kingston ssd.. sweat.gif

are u saying that 850 evo stil not "matured" enuf?
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less people use doesn't mean it is not good (like corsair neutron gtx). unlike v300, hyperx 3k is a premium offering from kingston. if you looked at its total bytes written (tbw) within the 3-year warranty of a 240gb, it's about 3 drives written per day (dwpd). that means you can install and uninstall bf4 on the ssd for 9 times a day continuously for 3 years. (i know the right minds don't do that hehe)


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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 01:42 AM)
err.. u hav any suggestion for less pricier? hmm.gif


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How about transcend ssd370 256gb? Anandtech give a good review on it.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 5 2015, 11:06 AM)
i will pick m6s. it's not the best drive of the three in terms of endurance (intel 730) and speed (850 evo) but it almost has the best of both worlds imo. (good mlc nand; decent controller; ram cache software)

intel 730 is essentially an enterprise-grade consumer ssd. like any other enterprise offerings, it's about relative endurance, rather than speed. 850 evo, well it's expensive.

i'm sorry i don't have charts to show you. it's better you check out benchmark charts from review sites. just know that reviews and performance charts are just for reference. for general use, imo they don't really matter.
about endurance, yes tlc is the lowest. however with the right use cases, i think it still work fine. a decent system setup today involves a ssd is used as a boot/app/game drive. hdd is used for data downloads and storage. this is the simplest yet better combo, leveraging on their respective strengths, not weaknesses. if you wanna use ssd solely for storage, you should pick enterprise ssds, not consumer grade.

i always suspect bad drives that involved even mlc nand might not be flash-related but other components in the ssd.
less people use doesn't mean it is not good (like corsair neutron gtx). unlike v300, hyperx 3k is a premium offering from kingston. if you looked at its total bytes written (tbw) within the 3-year warranty of a 240gb, it's about 3 drives written per day (dwpd). that means you can install and uninstall bf4 on the ssd for 9 times a day continuously for 3 years. (i know the right minds don't do that hehe)
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and again, thanx for very informative and understandable reply. notworthy.gif

however, i do know the performance of ssd(in terms of read n write) will increase as the capacity increase, am i right?

so if i buy cheap 500GB(around rm700 for kingston v300 and transcend 370) is it worth?
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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 02:52 PM)
and again, thanx for very informative and understandable reply. notworthy.gif

however, i do know the performance of ssd(in terms of read n write) will increase as the capacity increase, am i right?

so if i buy cheap 500GB(around rm700 for kingston v300 and transcend 370) is it worth?
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i owned transcend 340 256GB and 370 512GB for almost a year.. WORTH MY EVERY LITTLE PENNY! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 02:52 PM)
and again, thanx for very informative and understandable reply. notworthy.gif

however, i do know the performance of ssd(in terms of read n write) will increase as the capacity increase, am i right?

so if i buy cheap 500GB(around rm700 for kingston v300 and transcend 370) is it worth?
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y don't u take plextor m6pro instead of m6s?
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post Feb 5 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 5 2015, 02:52 PM)
and again, thanx for very informative and understandable reply. notworthy.gif

however, i do know the performance of ssd(in terms of read n write) will increase as the capacity increase, am i right?

so if i buy cheap 500GB(around rm700 for kingston v300 and transcend 370) is it worth?
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right. that's the case in general, but there are few exceptions. the sweet spot to have small enough space (cheaper) yet have the similar speed of larger capacity drives is 240-256gb range. however, larger capacity drivers are relatively cheaper in terms of price/GB.

instead of going for performance drives, getting larger mainstream ssds are worth the money for general use imo. transcend ssd 370 should be fine. at least you have more space for stuff and you don't need to frequently uninstall them to free up space for new ones. (i.e. less write/erase cycles for your ssd)

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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Feb 5 2015, 04:05 PM)
i owned transcend 340 256GB and 370 512GB for almost a year.. WORTH  MY  EVERY  LITTLE  PENNY!  biggrin.gif
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really?? waaa...really2 tempting.... seems very cheap compare to other brand for 500gb


QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Feb 5 2015, 09:53 PM)
y don't u take plextor m6pro instead of m6s?
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the price too expensive..~.~ however, is it m6pro very good?


QUOTE(horns @ Feb 5 2015, 11:46 PM)
right. that's the case in general, but there are few exceptions. the sweet spot to have small enough space (cheaper) yet have the similar speed of larger capacity drives is 240-256gb range. however, larger capacity drivers are relatively cheaper in terms of price/GB.

instead of going for performance drives, getting larger mainstream ssds are worth the money for general use imo. transcend ssd 370 should be fine. at least you have more space for stuff and you don't need to frequently uninstall them to free up space for new ones. (i.e. less write/erase cycles for your ssd)
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yeah.. 500gb ssd can install more than 2 games already..haha...
however, is it i need to do partition for 500gb ssd or better leave 1 partition only?

btw,i noticed almost all ssd hav less write speed compare to read speed. higher write speed is hard to achieve rght? my intel 330 120gb only hav 130mb/s sweat.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 6 2015, 01:36 AM)
yeah.. 500gb ssd can install more than 2 games already..haha...

however, is it i need to do partition for 500gb ssd or better leave 1 partition only?

btw,i noticed almost all ssd hav less write speed compare to read speed. higher write speed is hard to achieve rght? my intel 330 120gb only hav 130mb/s  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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yes biggrin.gif

usually 1-partition layout is fine. afaik there is no performance slowdown or gain. i have 2x 960gb crucial m500 with the same layout.

no it's not that it's hard to achieve. consumer/client ssd is usually optimized for mixed work loads, e.g. as boot/app/game drive that requires more reads than writes. 130MB/s is acceptable, but it's really not that good because it's a ssd (that write speed is like for hdd). imo it should be at least 250MB/s.

i just noticed your rig specs in the signature. you have a decent rig (with 2x sata 3), so it's better to invest something more worthy.

by the way plextor ssds are decent. they're not the fastest, but one of the reliable ones.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 6 2015, 10:47 AM)
yes biggrin.gif

usually 1-partition layout is fine. afaik there is no performance slowdown or gain. i have 2x 960gb crucial m500 with the same layout.

no it's not that it's hard to achieve. consumer/client ssd is usually optimized for mixed work loads, e.g. as boot/app/game drive that requires more reads than writes. 130MB/s is acceptable, but it's really not that good because it's a ssd (that write speed is like for hdd). imo it should be at least 250MB/s.

i just noticed your rig specs in the signature. you have a decent rig (with 2x sata 3), so it's better to invest something more worthy.

by the way plextor ssds are decent. they're not the fastest, but one of the reliable ones.
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wow...960gb x2? raid 1? sell 1 to me lorrr... cheap2 tongue.gif

so write speed not so important for daily load? i saw many ssd not exceed 500MB/s for write speed..

wat do u mean by "it's better to invest something more worthy"? add another ssd? im planning to replace this ssd and put it inside my 6 years old laptop.. nod.gif

yeah... im using m5pro in my laptop... got 400++MB/s for read n 300++MB/s for write...



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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 6 2015, 01:36 AM)
really?? waaa...really2 tempting.... seems very cheap compare to other brand for 500gb
the price too expensive..~.~ however, is it m6pro very good?
yeah.. 500gb ssd can install more than 2 games already..haha...
however, is it i need to do partition for 500gb ssd or better leave 1 partition only?

btw,i noticed almost all ssd hav less write speed compare to read speed. higher write speed is hard to achieve rght? my intel 330 120gb only hav 130mb/s  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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m6pro quite good. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 6 2015, 04:30 PM)
wow...960gb x2? raid 1? sell 1 to me lorrr... cheap2  tongue.gif

so write speed not so important for daily load? i saw many ssd not exceed 500MB/s for write speed..

wat do u mean by "it's better to invest something more worthy"? add another ssd? im planning to replace this ssd and put it inside my 6 years old laptop.. nod.gif

yeah... im using m5pro in my laptop... got 400++MB/s for read n 300++MB/s for write...
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haha

yes for general use, we don't need that much of writes.

i meant that you should get a larger and speedier drive smile.gif

ah you have a small m5pro i guess. the 512gb version still can get 480+ MB/s read and 430+ MB/s after steady state. well it's not a big deal because it's fast enough.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 7 2015, 08:02 PM)
haha

yes for general use, we don't need that much of writes.

i meant that you should get a larger and speedier drive smile.gif

ah you have a small m5pro i guess. the 512gb version still can get 480+ MB/s read and 430+ MB/s after steady state. well it's not a big deal because it's fast enough.
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yeah..im using 128gb m5pro for my laptop..quite good.. very fast comapre to intel 330 120gb..

im still in dilemma whether 256gb M6pro (rm570) or 240gb kingston hyper x 3k (rm430) or 512gb transcend 370(rm700)...help me choose plss!!
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QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 8 2015, 12:09 AM)
yeah..im using 128gb m5pro for my laptop..quite good.. very fast comapre to intel 330 120gb..

im still in dilemma whether 256gb M6pro (rm570) or 240gb kingston hyper x 3k (rm430) or 512gb transcend 370(rm700)...help me choose plss!!
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i know, right? biggrin.gif there are some differences between mainstream and performance drives. it's just that in common usage, mainstream is usually fast enough.

just think deeper of what you actually need. if a mainstream drive is good enough for you, just go for space.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Feb 7 2015, 07:40 PM)
m6pro quite good.  icon_idea.gif
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Too expensive... You can get a Crucial MX100 for that price... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 8 2015, 01:14 AM)
i know, right? biggrin.gif there are some differences between mainstream and performance drives. it's just that in common usage, mainstream is usually fast enough.

just think deeper of what you actually need. if a mainstream drive is good enough for you, just go for space.
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yeah... dunno how to diff between performance and mainstream drives.. the boot time for my laptop and desktop quite same. merely 4 seconds..
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i wanna go for space, but scare with the quality and reliability... 2 years ago, a lot of ppl recommend intel SSD due to reliability and warranty eventhough read n write speed quite low compare to other SSD. is it transcend a good SSD? any issue with 512gb version?
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 8 2015, 09:43 AM)
Too expensive...  You can get a Crucial MX100 for that price... icon_idea.gif
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well it's mainstream vs. performance lol

QUOTE(@skyhawk@ @ Feb 8 2015, 01:31 PM)
yeah... dunno how to  diff between performance and mainstream drives.. the boot time for my laptop and desktop quite same. merely 4 seconds..
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i wanna go for space, but scare with the quality and reliability... 2 years ago, a lot of ppl recommend intel SSD due to reliability and warranty eventhough read n write speed quite low compare to other SSD. is it transcend a good SSD? any issue with 512gb version?
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boot time is usually the same. what matters is after boot smile.gif

imo transcend ssd 370 is a decent drive for general use. it has what you can expect from a mainstream ssd. good or not, i think it's up to usage, and time. however we have a happy user here with no issues. it has some notable reviews from online review sites also.

tbh, there is no need for ssd to be super fast for common usage. if it's 350MB/s read/write then it's good enough imo.

by the way older intel drives although it's slower, is still one of the decent ones for general use. its longer warranty places a good value to it.

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I'm looking at the price of Samsung 850 Pro 250GB vs Plextor M6E M.2 256GB. Base on the spec, M6E M.2 256GB should smoke 850 Pro 250GB at cheaper price for Z97 motherboard.

Did I miss anything?

Also, C-Zone selling Lite-On SSD cheap.

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