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chocobo7779
post Jul 2 2014, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(881118 @ Jul 1 2014, 02:36 PM)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsun...mance,3861.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8216/samsung...nter-the-3d-era

Samsung 850 pro is out, best performance, but the price...

I still want a cheap mx100 512gb for half the price...
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Performance OK, but the price.... sweat.gif

Hopefully Samsung comes out with a lower cost version of the 850 Pro. 850 EVO anyone? brows.gif
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post Jul 21 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 19 2014, 11:47 PM)
no problems. yeah m.2 drives are expensive now. with the same price i think it's better to get 2x sata drives. if i make a raid0 with 2 sata drives, i can get a much better speed than 1x pcie x2 ssd. i really hope the mainstream ones are pcie x4 instead of the current x2. the form factors are really good imo. slick and very light. the ssd is mounted directly to the mobo.

as for your question, i think it's normal. at that rate i even think you should have no problem using it for more than 5 years. actually, the writes are mainly depending on your usage. certain contributions are also from how you set your system up. use of ram disk and rearrange system temp files and web browser cache to it is one example. use hdd for downloads and storage is another. (i go further and get primocache for ram-based ssd/hdd caches. ram-based enhancements are the trends in ssd's like samsung 840 evo and pro, and upcoming plextor drives) this is also why my machines have more ram than i need. (actually they are for system optimizations. for my own use, i just need 16gb)
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...or just get a single, large capacity SSD. SSDs are plenty fast for most people IMO. Too bad large capacity SSDs are way too expensive for the average consumer... sweat.gif

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post Jul 21 2014, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 21 2014, 01:53 PM)
no, it's not lol! since samsung has integrated rapid mode in their evo/pro, many of us are used to that speed already.
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Enabled Rapid Mode on my friend's 840 EVO... His gaming machine cold boots nearly instantly with Rapid Mode... brows.gif laugh.gif
...with Windows 8.1+GPT partition... icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 21 2014, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 21 2014, 07:19 PM)
well yeah.. a normal sata ssd is good enough for most people.

large ssd's are awesome because of several reasons besides capacity. however to most people, unless the purchase can be justified (like, getting large drives as an investment so that you can earn more), i suggest don't go too far. ssd technologies are still evolving rapidly. it's better to just get what you can and have fun with it now.

actually, the real deal about pcie ssd is nvme ssd. (like intel dc p3700) w8.1 with uefi mode already has native support to it.
haha.. if you wanna go further, disable it and try use primocache level-1 ram caching (with deferred write enabled). it's much better (also helps save some writes in ssd's. however, just make sure you have enough ram)
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So that explains why you have so much RAMs... brows.gif
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post Jul 21 2014, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 21 2014, 07:45 PM)
Just bought primocache. I got blown away.

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post Jul 21 2014, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 21 2014, 07:53 PM)
Yes, there is. I got 16GB RAM installed. Using 4GB RAM and 60GB space from SSD for primocache.
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Looks like I need another 8GB RAM... brows.gif
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post Jul 21 2014, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 21 2014, 07:59 PM)
Boot time is the same. Application load performance is what you are getting, especially from the hard disk.
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hmm.gif Not sure whether it's worth it or not... hmm.gif

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post Jul 26 2014, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 25 2014, 01:07 AM)
Chrome is fast, SSD killer and mem hogger, but i use it regularly because it sync between pc and my phone.

I used to be an avid Firefox user until they upgrade to newer skin, the addon bar keep disappear and look messy, now it's not my default browser anymore.
Although it perform faster on low spec pc  sweat.gif
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Chrome is very fast, and it seems like Firefox still can't master scrolling... (Scrolling in Firefox doesn't look fast and fluid compared to Chrome... shocking.gif )
Even IE11 scrolls webpages much smoother than Firefox... sweat.gif

Chrome works best when it comes to HTML5... especially Youtube... (Tried Opera Next, but Youtube keeps on reverting back to Flash Player when it comes to video playback)... sweat.gif

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post Jul 27 2014, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 27 2014, 12:14 AM)
On low spec computer, you'll notice the huge difference, Chrome is fast but after you've install a lot of extension, it will slow down a lot. Plus it eats a lot of RAM.
I understand it's for caching purpose but really it's a lot sweat.gif 8GB RAM isn't enough for me anymore.

For smooth scrolling on FFx, you can use SmoothWheel, or Logitech's addons.
I have not tried much Opera Next though, it was my default browser before Chrome appear, Still waiting the OperaLink function to be added back to the browser. without it Opera is kinda useless for me sweat.gif
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8GB is enough.. as long as you don't go crazy on extensions... I use only two extensions: Adblock+Lastpass.... icon_idea.gif

FYI for slower machines there's always IE11... It's fast and smooth, unfortunately Adblock Plus isn't really working for me... sweat.gif

Edit: Just installed SmoothWheel, but there's a huge delay when I used the mouse wheel to scroll... shocking.gif

One thing I love Chrome is when you open each tab, each tab will be assigned to separate processes, which means if one tab crashes, the browser remains usable... laugh.gif Though I tend to go light on browsing, otherwise information overload... sweat.gif

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post Jul 27 2014, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 27 2014, 12:16 AM)
Well if your games keep updating, that does not count, Chrome are just keep writing even the computer are on idle state.
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Source? hmm.gif

BTW SSD lifespan is pretty irrelevant to most users unless if your workload involves a lot of I/O operations... icon_idea.gif

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd...to-a-petabyte/5

Note that this test involves writing half a petabyte (500TB) of data into the drive... icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 27 2014, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 27 2014, 02:41 AM)
nah the problem now is, writes are still being made despite on idle state

i just reopen Chrome to check forum and already its performing so much writes to my SSD

as mentioned previously, my SSD of <6 months have already written 3.8TB of writes

quite alot, considering i dont even do real work on SSD
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There's nothing to worry about, even if you manage to write 500TB of data, I doubt you'll be keeping the drive at that time... laugh.gif

BTW, you can do this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/16...t_drive/c7yhh8r

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post Jul 28 2014, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 28 2014, 12:14 AM)
How does Samsung Evo 840 with RAPID fare against Primocache? This is Intel 530 240GB with Primocache.

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Wasn't Primocache a paid software?
Still I'm not a fan of those caching software as you can lose data in case of a power cut. sweat.gif

BTW, Rapid Mode sometimes make the SSD slower instead of speeding it up. icon_idea.gif

I'd rather see more improvement on the price/capacity part. SSDs are plenty fast for most users who already made the transition from traditional hard drives. icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 28 2014, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 28 2014, 02:11 AM)
Intel 530 240GB = RM559
Primocache = RM100

Samsung 840 Pro = RM729

You do the math. tongue.gif

Oh yeah, it supports hard disk caching using the SSD.
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BTW Caching can be a risky thing to work with, especially when if your machine encounters power cuts... icon_idea.gif
Still I'd take the cheaper 840 EVO 250GB at RM479 and Primocache.... brows.gif whistling.gif

Rapid Mode comes free if you have a 840 EVO/PRO drive... icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 28 2014, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 28 2014, 09:09 AM)
People who experienced bad drive or have more frequent blackouts will save or backup more often. Some even have UPS installed.

For me, RM80 more is worth it for 5 years warranty and MLC chip. Intel warranty service is one of the best as well.
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Well there's always more cost added to the users front though... sad.gif

Backups isn't a simple task for most users, as data redundancy is incredibly important. You cannot simply copy files to another folder and simply call it a data backup, as you need to ensure the backups are fault tolerant. icon_idea.gif

MLC isn't very relevant to most users, as TLC drives are reliable enough for most users. The only reason MLC drives are preferred over TLC drives if your workload involves a lot of I/O operations such as heavy photo/video editing, or if you are planning to set up a database server... icon_idea.gif

I did posted a link regarding SSD endurance, which involves writing 500TB of data on the drive. icon_idea.gif


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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 28 2014, 01:04 PM)
It's all about experience. The cache provided is too good to ignore.

Anyway, it's performance vs reliability. It's up to you.
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Yup, but I think that the average user won't need to work with caching... SSDs alone are plenty fast for most users...
Unless if you are a speed demon... laugh.gif
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post Jul 28 2014, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 28 2014, 05:40 PM)
it depends on how you use primocache. with laptops, i don't have to worry about power cuts. there are plenty of options that you can configure in primocache. it's about give and take of features. on desktops, you can at least configure it to read-only, write-through (no deferred write). it still helps in boosting file access time.
no, backup is not complicated if you planned it properly.

most of the times, data backups are more important. yes we need multiple incremental backups.

our approaches might be different. it's up to you to make it easy. fault tolerance is of course important but you should include it into your backup practice so that it's covered.
exactly. it really depends on what you wanna achieve.
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hmm.gif Need to find a balance on performance and reliability...
BTW, is it possible to speed up the loading time of UEFI BIOS? It seems like the UEFI takes up a major chunk of the boot time... shocking.gif
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post Sep 8 2014, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(activexxx @ Sep 8 2014, 10:24 AM)
I was comparing Intel 530 240GB and Samsung 840 Evo 250GB. Both price are around the same but Intel one got 5 years warranty. Does that means Intel is much reliable?
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Yes, though both SSDs will outlast your computing life unless you introduce a lot of writes... tongue.gif

Give this a read:
http://techreport.com/review/25889/the-ssd...nt-500tb-update
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post Sep 8 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 27 2014, 03:28 PM)
i am not sure what is inside the disc, but you can just grab the latest version of samsung magician from their website. (imo that's all you ever need to maintain and optimize samsung ssd's)
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FYI, the CD contains two applications, that is Samsung Magician and their Data Migration Tool. You don't really need the CD, since you can download these two from their official site. tongue.gif

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post Sep 10 2014, 02:19 PM

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Well, this is somewhat interesting... hmm.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung...0#post_22818618

I don't know what's the cause but I think it has to do with the firmware... hmm.gif

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