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post Nov 3 2014, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 3 2014, 05:51 PM)
yeah price is definitely samsung's advantage if you're talking about common sata/msata variants. however it's not just that. what surprised me was the adoption of pci-e x4 m.2 ssd's in asus g-series released recently (especially g751, g771). by the way, asus's implementations with these m.2 ssd's are by far the better one (i.e. m.2 bracket serves 2 purposes: as a placeholder, and as a heat spreader)

haha right we were all affected by the slow read bug in 840 evo. after the update that bug seemed to be gone. just now i checked the read speeds of my 840 evo and they were good. will do tests again after a few weeks.
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interesting on samsung's m.2 implementations, surprises me as well.
i supposed ASUS's SATA express drive is supplied by samsung too? the casing is a very beautiful brushed/anodized aluminum cover which i believe also serve as head spreading.

do let us know on the 840evo speeds; So far so good on my end laugh.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 3 2014, 05:43 PM)
eh sorry, should be GByte/sec lol...
RAPID is just absurd at times when it comes to benchmarks laugh.gif

but on real world application, loading windows in 2-3 seconds (heck the BIOS POST screen takes longer time ROFL!) and virtually ANY application loading the moment you double click it... is just amazing laugh.gif

my opinion:
if you're going to be sitting on that SATA2 3bit for long, and not using windows 8.1, maybe intel would be a better choice just for the warranty and firmware reliability.

if you're upgrading mobo, and/or already on windows 8.1 with decent memory space and can allocate bigger over provisioning, samsung 840evo 250GB will be a very fun drive laugh.gif
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QUOTE(amiranna @ Nov 3 2014, 05:18 PM)
hmm.. i only got dvd for windows 8, so if i download 8.1 iso, can i use my 8.0 key?
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8.1 is just a service pack, yes you can use it.

I had the same problem too, i got it away by upgrading from Windows 7, which bypassed the driver installation.
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post Nov 3 2014, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 3 2014, 05:53 PM)
interesting on samsung's m.2 implementations, surprises me as well.
i supposed ASUS's SATA express drive is supplied by samsung too? the casing is a very beautiful brushed/anodized aluminum cover which i believe also serve as head spreading.

do let us know on the 840evo speeds; So far so good on my end laugh.gif
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i have no idea about asus' sata-e drive. imo sata-e will not gain popularity very soon. it is too bulky.

yeah will post an update here smile.gif same here everything is good:

samsung 840 evo, 500gb sata:
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samsung 840 evo, 500gb msata:
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edit: as comparisons, here are the results of samsung sm841, and crucial m500.

samsung sm841, 512gb sata:
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crucial m500, 960gb sata:
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post Nov 4 2014, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 3 2014, 06:40 PM)
i have no idea about asus' sata-e drive. imo sata-e will not gain popularity very soon. it is too bulky.

yeah will post an update here smile.gif same here everything is good:

samsung 840 evo, 500gb sata:
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samsung 840 evo, 500gb msata:
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edit: as comparisons, here are the results of samsung sm841, and crucial m500.

samsung sm841, 512gb sata:
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crucial m500, 960gb sata:
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damn sexy aluminum bro drool.gif
http://techreport.com/review/26401/a-first...-storage-device
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-hyper-exp...-preview_140186
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-hyper-exp...ntel-z97_140391

still very new, some kinks here and there.
however it looks like the 2.5" size won't be making it to the final retail? i really like the aluminum case though sad.gif

nice update with the 840evo btw thumbup.gif
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post Nov 4 2014, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 4 2014, 03:05 AM)
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damn sexy aluminum bro  drool.gif

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still very new, some kinks here and there.
however it looks like the 2.5" size won't be making it to the final retail? i really like the aluminum case though sad.gif

nice update with the 840evo btw thumbup.gif
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oh this one. yeah looks are all good. it's like msi super raid2 in their high-end laptops.

previously i waited for their pci-e adapter kit for m.2 ssd. unfortunately it took like forever so i just went for bplus :/




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post Nov 4 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 4 2014, 09:06 AM)
oh this one. yeah looks are all good. it's like msi super raid2 in their high-end laptops.

previously i waited for their pci-e adapter kit for m.2 ssd. unfortunately it took like forever so i just went for bplus :/
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sadly this one is taking forever too... and the raid implementation imho seems weird and seems like something that is potentially detrimental to ssd (1 250gb > 2 128gb raid 0 and so on)
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 3 2014, 04:17 PM)
Benchmark is usually done few times to confirm your performance optimization, other than that, you won't need benchmarks all the time, so Write cycle of the NAND should last you decades to come with normal daily usage. Downloads and BT will be another story. sweat.gif
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I think normal usage usually means using the SSD for OS and at most are for programs and games, those one-off installations, and not for those read/write intensive stuff like torrenting and DDL, well, at least for me that is sweat.gif

was intended to get 840 EVO for my planned rig next year, but ever since the scare of the slow old file write, im still abit skeptical.

Now waiting and see what 850 EVO can offer, else, will just get 850 Pro....

the 512GB range SSD now is still in the 1k+ range... still abit hard to obtain... financial wise.... cry.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 4 2014, 11:16 AM)
sadly this one is taking forever too... and the raid implementation imho seems weird and seems like something that is potentially detrimental to ssd (1 250gb > 2 128gb raid 0 and so on)
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hopefully it's not a teaser.

yeah to me it's an enclosure with a raid card inside it. because of compact form factors, we can put msata or m.2 ssd's inside. (i think it can at least take up to 3x full-size msata) 2x 128gb should be minimum. max maybe 3x 1tb? (if 3x ports are provided. the bottleneck might be the total bandwidth supported by sata-e if it's nvme hehehe)

i think it does no harm to ssd. (it's just normal raid 0) as long as trim is supported performance should be good.
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post Nov 4 2014, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 4 2014, 12:11 PM)
hopefully it's not a teaser.

yeah to me it's an enclosure with a raid card inside it. because of compact form factors, we can put msata or m.2 ssd's inside. (i think it can at least take up to 3x full-size msata) 2x 128gb should be minimum. max maybe 3x 1tb? (if 3x ports are provided. the bottleneck might be the total bandwidth supported by sata-e if it's nvme hehehe)

i think it does no harm to ssd. (it's just normal raid 0) as long as trim is supported performance should be good.
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not to say harm the ssd as in it's health; more towards performance reduction when comparing single ssd vs raid 0 so long interface bandwidth is not limited.
heck even with the limitation, most real life applications or even certain synthetic benchmarks still seem to favor single ssd (higher capacity) over RAID0 ones despite the supposedly obvious performance gains.

iinm it's how data is being seeked/striped, and having to go through 2 paths to obtain 1 single data vs a single path.
previously on conventional mechanical hdd raid0 is always superior due to slower seeks thanks to the nature of mechanical drives. SSD however changed all that.
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Nov 4 2014, 11:39 AM)
I think normal usage usually means using the SSD for OS and at most are for programs and games, those one-off installations, and not for those read/write intensive stuff like torrenting and DDL, well, at least for me that is  sweat.gif

was intended to get 840 EVO for my planned rig next year, but ever since the scare of the slow old file write, im still abit skeptical.

Now waiting and see what 850 EVO can offer, else, will just get 850 Pro....

the 512GB range SSD now is still in the 1k+ range... still abit hard to obtain... financial wise....  cry.gif
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crucial mx100 is below 1k.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 4 2014, 12:20 PM)
not to say harm the ssd as in it's health; more towards performance reduction when comparing single ssd vs raid 0 so long interface bandwidth is not limited.
heck even with the limitation, most real life applications or even certain synthetic benchmarks still seem to favor single ssd (higher capacity) over RAID0 ones despite the supposedly obvious performance gains.

iinm it's how data is being seeked/striped, and having to go through 2 paths to obtain 1 single data vs a single path.
previously on conventional mechanical hdd raid0 is always superior due to slower seeks thanks to the nature of mechanical drives. SSD however changed all that.
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the overheads are imminent. yeah imo for general use it's a waste. putting aside work purposes, i can hardly hit the limit of a single ssd.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 4 2014, 02:53 PM)
crucial mx100 is below 1k.
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oh? but i saw Gbros still selling at RM1070? hmm.gif but lingloong is selling at RM909?
or is it they still havent update their latest price?


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QUOTE(rurushu @ Nov 4 2014, 09:52 PM)
oh? but i saw Gbros still selling at RM1070?  hmm.gif but lingloong is selling at RM909?
or is it they still havent update their latest price?
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oh. viewnet@899?

edit: update - jayacom@858.

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post Nov 5 2014, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 4 2014, 10:23 PM)
oh. viewnet@899?

edit: update - jayacom@858.
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We've got even lower.
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Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5” 7mm [Read : 550MB/s | Write : 500MB/s ] 3yrs warranty RM829 , Promo RM770

From Hikari85, but I think the promo ends already, still the normal price seems lower. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 5 2014, 07:35 AM)
We've got even lower.

From Hikari85, but I think the promo ends already, still the normal price seems lower. hmm.gif
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whoah.. that's the lowest so far, even with shipping the price is still good.

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update: plextor m5pro xtreme new firmware, 1.08.

2014/10/28 This firmware revision improves:

1. Potential problem which might make system hanged.
2. 4K Random write consistency.
3. GC execution flow for dealing host command.

hm.. maybe it's only me, i think the system is snappier after applying this.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 5 2014, 07:35 AM)
We've got even lower.

From Hikari85, but I think the promo ends already, still the normal price seems lower. hmm.gif
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wa.... this is good news! making SSDs more tapable now!!
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post Nov 5 2014, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Nov 5 2014, 11:02 AM)
wa.... this is good news! making SSDs more tapable now!!
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In a year or two hopefully sata ssd can reach a price point that is much more affordable to most people.

For the next coming wave i hope laptops that i want will have at least 1x pcie 3.0 x4 m.2 slot. (Like asus g-series g751, g771) Unlike desktops, the pcie lanes in laptop chips/cpu are limited. Hopefully that will change in near future. By the look at the current chips, if you go for gpu sli config (like aw18), the m.2 slot will very likely be pcie x2 only. (The 2x gpu have taken up 16 pcie lanes)

The best bet is still laptops with single gpu.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 5 2014, 08:41 PM)
In a year or two hopefully sata ssd can reach a price point that is much more affordable to most people.

For the next coming wave i hope laptops that i want will have at least 1x pcie 3.0 x4 m.2 slot. (Like asus g-series g751, g771) Unlike desktops, the pcie lanes in laptop chips/cpu are limited. Hopefully that will change in near future. By the look at the current chips, if you go for gpu sli config (like aw18), the m.2 slot will very likely be pcie x2 only. (The 2x gpu have taken up 16 pcie lanes)

The best bet is still laptops with single gpu.
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hmm... have been seeing the word "PCIE 3.0 x4" and m.2 slot at places whenever I read about SSD reviews, but I can hardly understand what does that means.... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Nov 5 2014, 09:11 PM)
hmm... have been seeing the word "PCIE 3.0 x4" and m.2 slot at places whenever I read about SSD reviews, but I can hardly understand what does that means....  doh.gif  doh.gif
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ok story time biggrin.gif

technically, to get rid of bottlenecks by sata's bandwidth limitation, pci-e is used to provide more bandwidth to ssd so that it can run much faster in a system. commercially, most people thought pci-e 2.0 x2 is good enough for the market. (so that they can earn more money before releasing more powerful versions, i.e. from pci-e 2.0 x2 to 2.0 x4, then 3.0 x2, finally 3.0 x4. you know the drill)

however, two companies thought otherwise.

the first one was samsung. instead of following the norm, they released xp941, a pci-e 2.0 x4 m.2 ssd to oem in year 2013 (that's the first pci-e consumer-centric ssd). with that move samsung was forcing everyone to change their game plans, including totally skipped pci-e x2 to be at least competitive. initially there were not much enthusiasm among these oem. until the second company reacted. a few months ago, asrock put an ultra m.2 slot (1x pci-e 3.0 x4) in their product lineup, the extreme series. back then, those were the only mobo that provides such a m.2 slot. on top of that, despite this premium feature, they sold them cheap. that move made asrock to suddenly become one of the best recognized mobo manufacturers almost everywhere, and their products were recommended and awarded in macam-macam best awards.

all the above happened in a year. see? these companies really can make a difference if they want to.

now the market is populated with compatible slots. (desktop mobo's, laptops) this year samsung did it again to complete the whole story. this time they announced sm951, the first consumer-centric pci-e 3.0 x4 nvme ssd. (sm953 is for enterprise) maybe we can get hold some of these beasty ssd sometimes next year biggrin.gif

edit: this was one of the reasons why i got a lot of samsung drives. (more than 10 hehe) i am not their affiliate, or fan boy, or whatever you wanna call it. i just wanna support companies like this to make a difference in the development of better ssd's. (only ssd. the rest i am not that keen hehehe)

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 5 2014, 10:13 PM)
ok story time biggrin.gif

technically, to get rid of bottlenecks by sata's  bandwidth limitation, pci-e is used to provide more bandwidth to ssd so that it can run much faster in a system. commercially, most people thought pci-e 2.0 x2 is good enough. (so that they can earn more money, before releasing more powerful versions, i.e. from pci-e 2.0 x2 to 2.0 x4, then 3.0 x2, finally 3.0 x4)

however, two companies thought otherwise.

the first one was samsung. instead of following the norm, they released xp941, a pci-e 2.0 x4 m.2 ssd to oem in year 2013 (that's the first pci-e consumer-centric ssd). with that move samsung was forcing everyone to change their game plans, including totally skipped pci-e x2 to be at least competitive. initially there were not much enthusiasm among these oem. until the second company reacted. a few months ago, asrock put an ultra m.2 slot (1x pci-e 3.0 x4) in their product lineup, the extreme series. back then, those were the only mobo that provides such a m.2 slot. on top of that, despite this premium feature, they sold them cheap. that move made asrock to suddenly become one of the best recognized mobo manufacturers almost everywhere, and their products were recommended and awarded in macam-macam best awards.

all the above happened in a year. see? these companies really can make a difference if they want to.

now the market is populated with compatible slots. (desktop mobo's, laptops) this year samsung did it again to complete the whole story. this time they announced sm951, the first consumer-centric pci-e 3.0 x4 nvme ssd. (sm953 is for enterprise) maybe we can get hold some of these beasty ssd sometimes next year biggrin.gif
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ohh.... PCIe and M.2 are connection interfaces and NVME is protocol? trying to grab the picture hmm.gif

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