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post Nov 2 2014, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 2 2014, 01:09 PM)
if you want it now, just grab the best performance/value drives available to that budget.

or, you can save up some more and grab the same but with higher capacities. (480gb and up) for people who have tight budgets, i think this makes more sense than going for so-called the best. this is because that 'the best' tag can only last for a year at best. after that, you are still left with the fact that the capacity is only good for OS-only drive, if you considered stuff like overprovisioning and all.
so i assume that you already have a compatible hdd caddy with you, yes m6s is fine. (in general a 7mm or 9.5mm should work, depending on the caddy) however, it's also better to check if the manufacturer releases mac-compatible firmware updates.
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hmm 480gb?
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post Nov 2 2014, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 2 2014, 01:31 PM)
hmm 480gb?
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no idea lol maybe you should find that out smile.gif

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post Nov 2 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 2 2014, 02:08 PM)
no idea lol maybe you should find that out smile.gif
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haha i think impossible suit my budget
i just go either samsung evo or intel 520
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post Nov 3 2014, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 2 2014, 04:18 PM)
haha i think impossible suit my budget
i just go either samsung evo or intel 520
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well ok. between the two i still think intel 530 is of better value. still, it's up to you smile.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 12:08 AM

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haha
intel 530 price is over my budget
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post Nov 3 2014, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 3 2014, 12:06 AM)
well ok. between the two i still think intel 530 is of better value. still, it's up to you smile.gif
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might want to check here. can based on:-
value
speed
read
write
age and,
price

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/
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post Nov 3 2014, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(BangHardHard @ Nov 3 2014, 12:10 AM)
might want to check here. can based on:-
value
speed
read
write
age and,
price

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/
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well yeah that's one way to make up your mind if you want to smile.gif

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post Nov 3 2014, 03:42 PM

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oh just check
wao intel 530 cheaper than samsung evo 840
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post Nov 3 2014, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 3 2014, 03:42 PM)
oh just check
wao intel 530 cheaper than samsung evo 840
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SSD nowadays are price according to their respective performance, warranty seems to be the 2nd thing that consumer look at right now.
The 730 will be tad expensive, but slightly faster, and also has better features such as Power lost protection, good for desktop without UPS. wink.gif
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 3 2014, 04:05 PM)
SSD nowadays are price according to their respective performance, warranty seems to be the 2nd thing that consumer look at right now.
The 730 will be tad expensive, but slightly faster, and also has better features such as Power lost protection, good for desktop without UPS. wink.gif
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haha what i saw is ssd intel is 5 years
samsung is 3 years

but ssd will easy spoil ?
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hi.. i just bought ssd last week, when i try to fresh install windows 8 pro with ahci mode, but my windows 8 pro fail to boot. there is no problem with ide mode.

my mobo MSI 970A-G46 and my ssd Micron C400 256GB
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QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 3 2014, 04:08 PM)
haha what i saw is ssd intel is 5 years
samsung is 3 years

but ssd will easy spoil  ?
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Easy spoilt as in? Physical abuse? or Benchmark Write abuse?
If physical abuse, it'll depends on the severity, if just a knock or vibration won't be able to kill it (even under operation), if you use hammer or dip in water then it'll void the warranty right away. shakehead.gif
Benchmark is usually done few times to confirm your performance optimization, other than that, you won't need benchmarks all the time, so Write cycle of the NAND should last you decades to come with normal daily usage. Downloads and BT will be another story. sweat.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 3 2014, 04:05 PM)
SSD nowadays are price according to their respective performance, warranty seems to be the 2nd thing that consumer look at right now.

The 730 will be tad expensive, but slightly faster, and also has better features such as Power lost protection, good for desktop without UPS. wink.gif
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yeah weird. i still think ssd's are expensive, so it's good to have longer warranty.

QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 3 2014, 04:08 PM)
haha what i saw is ssd intel is 5 years
samsung is 3 years

but ssd will easy spoil  ?
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yeah it depends on how you use yours. for general use, it's not easy.

QUOTE(amiranna @ Nov 3 2014, 04:16 PM)
hi.. i just bought ssd last week, when i try to fresh install windows 8 pro with ahci mode, but my windows 8 pro fail to boot. there is no problem with ide mode.

my mobo MSI 970A-G46 and my ssd Micron C400 256GB
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hm weird.. not familiar with amd systems.
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Nov 3 2014, 04:16 PM)
hi.. i just bought ssd last week, when i try to fresh install windows 8 pro with ahci mode, but my windows 8 pro fail to boot. there is no problem with ide mode.

my mobo MSI 970A-G46 and my ssd Micron C400 256GB
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windows 8, or 8.1? Windows 8 ISO is a buggy POS, you could install with IDE mode and later switch to AHCI, but you have to install all the hotfix and service pack before switching.
'Fresh install 8.1 even better.

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post Nov 3 2014, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 3 2014, 05:15 PM)
windows 8, or 8.1? Windows 8 ISO is a buggy POS, you could install with IDE mode and later switch to AHCI, but you have to install all the hotfix and service pack before switching.
'Fresh install 8.1 even better.
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hmm.. i only got dvd for windows 8, so if i download 8.1 iso, can i use my 8.0 key?
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QUOTE(silrave @ Oct 30 2014, 12:33 AM)
gg actually
i think will get around november
problem is my mobo only support till sata 2
cant really get full speed of ssd yet
wait until end of year upgrade mobo then should be support full speed

haiz ...
dunno go for samsung or intel
lol confusing le lol XD
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my mobo only support SATA2, so to be honest, neither samsung/intel will have much difference when it comes to performance because you're already bottlenecked by the interface.

I personally went for samsung because of the price and also due to the hype.
i was affected by the firmware issue but again, it wasn't that noticeable because performance in regards to SSD is barely noticeable in real world applications unless you're looking at synthetic benchmarks all day.

i gotten the 840EVO 250GB since march, until now no issue (also updated the firmware/fix applied)

gotten another 840EVO 250GB for my sis's gaming pc just last month which is also affected by the old file issue, firmware/fix also applied and performance is insane especially when the pc is on the latest windows 8.1 + RAPID mode.
transfers are in the gbit/sec (lol RAPID) and windows boot up/shutdown is in the 3seconds +/-
everything is snappy as hell lol
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 30 2014, 01:30 AM)
putting aside 'fake' performance, samsung still produce some of the top ssd's in terms of reliability, endurance, and speed. these days many oem manufacturers are putting samsung drives in their products (consumer and enterprise alike). there is one thing weird about intel drives, but that's just my thought. if i can gather more proofs i will share with you guys.


i stopped using my samsung 840 evo too, and am getting ready to test if there is anything wrong about the old data on them later. it needs time to validate this part.
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i think the OEM are going with Samsung due to price advantage over say, intel.

the old files about samsung 840EVO is very real, my >3 months unmodified/untouched files can transfer as low as 10-20MB/sec, that's as bad as eco/low rpm (say 5400?) regular HDD drives sweat.gif

did a cleanup/minor backup/windows or driver updating etc prior to installing the fix as a normal habit and noticed some really funky speeds LOL
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 3 2014, 04:17 PM)
Easy spoilt as in? Physical abuse? or Benchmark Write abuse?
If physical abuse, it'll depends on the severity, if just a knock or vibration won't be able to kill it (even under operation), if you use hammer or dip in water then it'll void the warranty right away. shakehead.gif
Benchmark is usually done few times to confirm your performance optimization, other than that, you won't need benchmarks all the time, so Write cycle of the NAND should last you decades to come with normal daily usage. Downloads and BT will be another story. sweat.gif
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huh = =
download and bt ...
what means ?
i anime freak = = i download lot anime o

damage is like use 5 years ++ then problem appear those

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 3 2014, 05:19 PM)
my mobo only support SATA2, so to be honest, neither samsung/intel will have much difference when it comes to performance because you're already bottlenecked by the interface.

I personally went for samsung because of the price and also due to the hype.
i was affected by the firmware issue but again, it wasn't that noticeable because performance in regards to SSD is barely noticeable in real world applications unless you're looking at synthetic benchmarks all day.

i gotten the 840EVO 250GB since march, until now no issue (also updated the firmware/fix applied)

gotten another 840EVO 250GB for my sis's gaming pc just last month which is also affected by the old file issue, firmware/fix also applied and performance is insane especially when the pc is on the latest windows 8.1 + RAPID mode.
transfers are in the gbit/sec (lol RAPID) and windows boot up/shutdown is in the 3seconds +/-
everything is snappy as hell lol
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wao now i am hype on getting 840evo 250gb or long warranty intel 530 240gb
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QUOTE(silrave @ Nov 3 2014, 05:33 PM)
wao now i am hype on getting 840evo 250gb or long warranty intel 530 240gb
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eh sorry, should be GByte/sec lol...
RAPID is just absurd at times when it comes to benchmarks laugh.gif

but on real world application, loading windows in 2-3 seconds (heck the BIOS POST screen takes longer time ROFL!) and virtually ANY application loading the moment you double click it... is just amazing laugh.gif

my opinion:
if you're going to be sitting on that SATA2 3bit for long, and not using windows 8.1, maybe intel would be a better choice just for the warranty and firmware reliability.

if you're upgrading mobo, and/or already on windows 8.1 with decent memory space and can allocate bigger over provisioning, samsung 840evo 250GB will be a very fun drive laugh.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 3 2014, 05:28 PM)
i think the OEM are going with Samsung due to price advantage over say, intel.

the old files about samsung 840EVO is very real, my >3 months unmodified/untouched files can transfer as low as 10-20MB/sec, that's as bad as eco/low rpm (say 5400?) regular HDD drives sweat.gif

did a cleanup/minor backup/windows or driver updating etc prior to installing the fix as a normal habit and noticed some really funky speeds LOL
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yeah price is definitely samsung's advantage if you're talking about common sata/msata variants. however it's not just that. what surprised me was the adoption of pci-e x4 m.2 ssd's in asus g-series released recently (especially g751, g771). by the way, asus's implementations with these m.2 ssd's are by far the better one (i.e. m.2 bracket serves 2 purposes: as a placeholder, and as a heat spreader)

haha right we were all affected by the slow read bug in 840 evo. after the update that bug seemed to be gone. just now i checked the read speeds of my 840 evo and they were good. will do tests again after a few weeks.

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