u miss a point here.. then why people still choose Myvi 1.3 over Gen2 1.3 even both have the same price tag... because most of them/family/friend have bad experience with Proton cars even just the power window failure.. so in their heart Proton cars have poor quality...

well this is just my opinion.. sorry if my comment is consider bashing Proton...

proton really2 need to spice up things, not just with savvy and neo qc but they ave to really2 improve gen.2 and waja..

its just 2 weeks more till the gov announce who is proton shareholder.. by then maybe proton got somethings to speak about to the public..

City driving(80 %) plus highway driving (20%). I think i got a good FC due to my driving style. I change quickly to fifth gear when ever i can and i dont usually floor the throttle from standing still.

In the city, i usually stick to the speed limit and on weekends i go back to my hometown in Seremban, and on highway i do constant 120 kmh.

what thing you wanna improve?

proton already put ABS and dual airbag in the new waja as standard package....

ya, i agree with u , but that is the second thought when it comes into my mind . kekek .
the thing is , if u enter the gen2 or a myvi , u will feel like entering the myvi more . becasue 1.3 for myvi is the higher spec , it comes with cd player , a more normal dashboard , a door panel which is good , plus ! the air inside is bigger .
for gen2 , the 1.3 is smaller , comes with campro engine , only automatic offered last time . with stripped off trimming . and the dashboard is not so good , i mean , u dont have the glovebox or place to store your stuff . that is bad .
ya , 1.3 gen2 has good handling . but where to get enough power to enjoy handling when the weight already 1.2ton which is pulled by a 80-90bhp engine .
that is a major turn off . if i were a person to choose , i will choose over myvi .

in long term u will find that the savvy is a slightly longer lasting for long usage . i dont mean for general purpose . but when u are owning the savvy u will find that most of the good points of the car is hidden beneath . ok , the seat , it is a seat where multi-hardness foam injected type , that is why you enjoy sitting on it more than myvi seat . fabric of the savvy is better . the ride and handling , FC and engine feels more alive .... and during the night , u will find yourself driving more comfortable with the xenon powered headlamp .
compared to myvi , it is different type of league .
myvi sells well becasue it fits and it knows what customer needs . most people dont really car how good is foam injected seat is , so they comes out with normal type , it is exactly the same , but maybe not as so comfortable , but if it is good for normal use and general use , then it is enough already . the handlign , it is bad , ya ... but suitable for most town use and urban use , that is what exactly what people use everyday .
just like when u see the spec , would u like to drive a car with low-FC at town , high-FC on highway ; or high-FC at town , low-FC on highway . considering u are the one who spend 70% of time in city , which one would u choose . i bet most pople spend more time in city .

that is what proton waja campro and mitsubishi engine is abut , campro is high-power band engine compared to mitsubishi engine is low-powered engine . most people feel like going back to the mitsubishi engine becasue its torque is available mosto f the time at low 2700rpm , compared to campro highly powered at 4000rpm for max torque . ya , i do admit on highway , u will feel like driving campro more , i drove one , i admit the power is good , overtakes like nothing . but i prefer the mitsubishi engine becasue i spend most of my time in town , and i would like the enigne to have more power at low-end rpm level .

that is what proton is losing , they are building a car where not fits general taste . it isn't a bad car either , just becasue it is not as acceptable . hope u all got it .
closing this topic is unnessesary , but take some action on those useless post .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 22 2007, 02:41 PM

Cant agree you more. I do believe that proton mistake on the market research has caused on their current misery state. Their biggest mistake is to chunk 3 continuous hatchbacks, in which 2 were niche markets (satria and savvy) where their previous market which helped them to dominate the local market was saloon cars.

Worse, their aged saloon cars like the wira was not replaced yet and the waja model is aging.

Perodua on the other hand really did their market research and meets what the market wants, as this is how Toyota suceed by meeting what the market wants rather than what they want the market to have. That why superb handling is just an extra as not everyone in the market wants handling fun cars.

y replace wira if it still have market?

what i meant is the wira should be replaced with a newer small saloon, like what proton is now doing with their sedan-ist the gen2. The current wira has been in the market for 14 years w/o replacements, maybe exception for numberous of facelifts.

A car model should be replaced after 10 years. Even japanese cars models were replaced every 5-6 years.

From here:


Non-national vs national cars having a big shift. If Proton still haven't wake-up, by all means they can still sells their dated models and continue complain the parts' price increase causes them to nail a net loss. Wira and Saga/Iswara are still the same since the beginning of time. Even Kancil already improve a lot vs the 1st model.

On the quality issue... by giving some hope, I was going to book a new Waja next month but having my friend's new Neo front-left door leaking water on the 2nd weekvery recently, I lost my hope and planning Honda or Toyota. :sigh:


Glad they change Savvy's butt a little but, they should have improve more as well as the interior. And above all else, quality and reputation are still an issue for Proton.

hey i like that. but IMO he need a new wheel to match...or a different colour to that wheel, perhaps silver?

as i always say ( and always will) the rear end is the savy's Achilles heels (in looks).
front end, it works fer me. the rear end put me away last time i went to the dealer.
it's like the front end designer pass away halfway while designing the car & and a new designer took over!

i actually will recommend one of these to my mother, for she's looking fer a new car (either the savy AMT, naza bestari sportivo or the new suzuki swift)

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Added on February 22, 2007, 7:28 pmerr..no. 5 gears would be just nice, a 6th would just be too much.




This post has been edited by VarioCam: Feb 22 2007, 07:28 PM

With the modest power that a Savvy has, a 6th gear would only add complexity, weight and cost. If it has 100hp, then it would be nice. On par with the old Lotus Elise!

'cant agree with u anymore' is agree or diagree ?

btw , i dont think proton mean to focus on sedan as well . look carefully , the production and sales of the sedan version of wira and iswara is kinda low and not really good . but u can actually see proton is making big hoo-haa with the iswara aeroback , wira SE , satria SE ... my own view is they are tying to focus on hatches so that it matches the profile of proton into sporty segment .

those who deceided this stupid mistake should be fired .

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Added on February 23, 2007, 3:12 amthen forever producing it lol ... hahaha ....
like what iswara is now ... kekeke ... it is actually being developed from mitsubishi fiore into a downgraded car . trimming level , cheapo palstics , lower grade of steel ... ...
i am not sure how many of u know this , iswara is making lots of money for proton . for wira and perdana , they have to pay back the loyalties to mitubishi . but for iswara , the contract about loyalties ends 199x , maybe when iswara came out . means they are not paying a single cent back to mitsubishi except for the antique engine (i am not sure on it too , if i am not too mistaken ,it is manufacured by hicom nowadyas , just the technology transfer) .
and proton CEO will tell u , why to replace it when it still has market ?

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 23 2007, 03:12 AM

exactly.

but then basher will say, old tech car... inflated prices of other cars model thus forcing people to go on buying iswara... etc...


its like asking KFC to stop selling HOT & SPICY Chicken and instead make the public buy some FUNKY NEW Variant of their Chicken. see KFC will start losing business or not?

KFC did that with tomyam and curry flavor.

it failed.

if they want to replace those saga/iswara, proton have to come up with a new model similar in concept, price, material (maybe much better material plz?) and especialy spec and size..

the saga/iswara replacement model is codenamed BLM project, basic line model i guess.. the vendor already received spec drawings and design on this model, i guess in 3rd Q it will be shown to the public.. (this project finised design at disember 06)

so are will be seeing a much batter model? or just the same boxy plasctic with wheels?

I meant i agree with u, sorry for the misphrased words

Anyhow i still believe hatches is not a big market in Mysia in general. Check out our top 10 national car sales list and for Proton the wira and waja still selling more than the gen2 and savvy combined. It proves that sporty hatches remain niche as well.

However there ray of light of hope for hatches in Mysia as the current no 1 is remain the Myvi which is a hatch/supermini. Small hatches like the kelisa and kancil continue to do well in the charts. However, u can hardly see the savvy on the top 10 charts.

excuse me , is that the usual words used by clarkson ? during the news section .

huhu.. hi brigie (iron man at autoworld..huhu)

yup, very well said.

For some weird reasons, i don't like how the lotus elise looks LOL. The Exige looks wayy better IMO.

My father's a crazy savvy driver, i just saw him using 4th gear around 23-25km/h this afternoon. No jerks no high rpms, everything's smooth.

well personally, i would still choose a Pro compared to a Per... reason,
safety... although PROTON 's not as great to any but it still better than PERODUA