well personally, i would still choose a Pro compared to a Per... reason,
safety... although PROTON 's not as great to any but it still better than PERODUA

Proton better than perodua bcoz of safety and that all? Now both offers duo air bags and ABS in their models. Even the new upcoming kelisa replacement will have duo air bags and ABS.

Canbt think of what else Proton is better than perodua other than more fun driving and perhaps larger size in Proton cars.

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Feb 23 2007, 10:29 PM

seriously , i would still choose a proton .
i am driving a waja now . although i feel perodua is better in terms of QC , but proton cars are fun to drive . that is the thing i like , seriously i enjoy entering a corner and i feel like never comes out from the corner..i just want to keep on movin...
my waja , with care ... not much problem . minor stuff only . even 4 power windows are still surviving .

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Added on February 24, 2007, 4:02 amoh it's u ar ! ... hahaha nice man . come here . lyn is much better .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 24 2007, 04:02 AM

I tried 30km/h 4th gear on my KE70 before, no jerks and smooth. Nothing special here.

, why do you have to poke me like that?

Anyway, i'm only want to express how versatile this car can be (city cars mah), and probably boost the basher's confidence on proton cars. IMO, they still suck to some extent, the interiors are cheaply made. That's very dissappointing.

u tried that on kelisa i bet it will jerk !

am i missing somethng here..

Kelisa shipped to UK with airbags cos they have tighter regualtions unlike malaysia/singapore, Kelisa malaysian spec doesn't even have one still bashers allaeged Proton giving second class treatment to Malaysians.

only myvi have airbags, ABS while the rest of Perodua models..maneeer ada?! How about Proton.

thats bashers being hypocrites.


Clocked near 2000km in less than 7 days with my savvy.

Melaka to K.Terengganu 488 km trunk roads with only RM50/26.04L of fuel

18.74km/L .. could be better if I didn't stuck in jams in major towns,bypassed kuantan, adhered to the speed limit... segamat highway is too straight, top out at 120.

K.TRG - KL - Batu Pahat , 920 km of trunk roads and city drive, top speed 110-120km/h
refuel 3 times, RM50/26.04L-RM30/15.63km-RM30/15.63km

16.05km/l

cruised at 80-90 wit air con fully turn on....federal road rocks, why pay more for the toll.

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Added on February 27, 2007, 12:18 amProof that savvy interior plastic is not hard and brittle that could break into
million pieces.




from this series of accident photos.

























This post has been edited by hypermount: Feb 27 2007, 12:18 AM

oh, proton this early year 2007 only have the standard ABS and dual airbag on savvy and waja...previous year mana ada ???

i will bash perodua kaw kaw if new kelisa dun have the airbag and abs...no worry

previously gen 2 and waja some have, some dun have, dunno y ... may be proton missales the export version here...

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Added on February 27, 2007, 12:20 am
y still need a 4 point sturt bar 1? i thought savvy handling already very good...

This post has been edited by clsiluf: Feb 27 2007, 12:20 AM

about that stabiliser bar, you can't always sastify anyone, it's the human nature, not enough.

For example I find it dull if I sit inside the cockpit of the other vi, with its smooth hard plastic dash...it's not the sin of the Proton alone, it is the industry.

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Added on February 27, 2007, 12:32 amI think it's a common knowledge savvy's 5 gear ratio is too short between them, we need a true overdrive gear, 3600rpm at 110 km/h at 5th gear but surpisingly still economical and at acceptable noise level..

I could drive 1000 rpm at 2nd gear uphil and flat without jerking.

This post has been edited by hypermount: Feb 27 2007, 12:32 AM

previous year waja got airbag la... but the top of the line only or premium model only

check before bashing okie ?

he just got himself into trouble again .
see , the 4 point strut bar actually prvents the front to crumple up like a crumple zone .
come on , we dont need 4 points .
ultra-racing is not doing any racing or engnieering stuff in their RnD . yet they comes out with fender bars etc etc where only ahbengs will fit them without consulting to automotive/mechanical engineers otu there . and most mechanics out there are 'gong' 'gong' to fit it and claim it is good .
the whole chassis is engineered to have crumple , flexing and hard point aas they are , if you want to strengten it , do it properly . just like what R3 , they are using proper engineering to strenghtening the body .

btw , all peroduas ... kelisa in UK comes with DVVT .
i have realised this for very long time d , but i never bash proton .

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Added on February 27, 2007, 1:20 ammy advise , dont have 4 point strut bar . maximum 3 is enough .
but 2 is already good for normal use . let the flexes cancel off each other , that is the best way , i have read it before .

the way ultra-racing is tying to do is to fix all the soft points with bars . eventually those soft points are there for a reason . like the front , i have no idea why they put 4 point bar there . 2 point on the struts , 2 point on the front frame .
as u know , the front frame is build to be a flexible and soft crumple frame , there is no use to strengten it . and if u connect it with the frontal frame, basically it is not going to help . it is like connecting a rod into a mud .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 27 2007, 01:20 AM

that's justa small matter of owner's choice. he got money to burn, no big deal here.
i see evo owners oso put strutbars now & then, even when those guys had 4WD, AYC etc bla� as standard item.

i actually dun see the main point y u guys bang him so hard leh?

Actually, dont you all think this comparing other-small-cars-have-airbag-while-proton-dont is a bit rediculous?

Agree that having airbag could save lives.. but wat if u fit an airbag into a kelisa/kancil (example). In an even of a crash, yes the airbags will deploy, but with the soft structure that those cars have, the driver will be mushed up before they can enjoy the airbags.

And a very good example will be the Naza Sutera, which is from china, in which most of us know the safety ratings of the car. Airbag saves ur face, but wat about your legs? The interior will clamp down on you legs..in which you might have to amputate it

Or let say Proton decides to fit airbags into a wira, We all know it wudnt help much coz the car is so soft, if u kick it, the bumper will fall

I would say, Airbags will only work, if your car's body is strong enough, and is able to withstand and absorb the energy thats going to be transferred in an even of an accident.

so point is, there's no sense putting airbags in a cars that's not worth putting airbags, no?

aside frm increasing the car's price, which is already nonsense..

I notice a cracked windscreen there, very dangerous, shouldn't have happen in such collision. This is bad safety.


The 4-point strut bar may have been the cause of the cracked windscreen.

Any cars will expeienced some cracked windscreen and bent A-pillar in a head on collison.

wuld the struct bars help the chassis to withstand the collision at much higher speed, a head on with a car front opposite side ?

what all we see in those crash test all cars' front end is crumpled to the max when the collison speed is just at 55km/h...that was not fast.

WHo would have thought Kcng will end up with a Proton? satria neo is a great car a true class

yeah... so every protong car tat hav defect must be a lemon car rite?? wow... i guess protong sold alot of lemom last time...

i wonder how many car manufacture in this world still selling a 20 years old-technology-car based on a same chasis n body?? If saga still a hot-spicy chicken... guess why most people now choose kenari/kelisa/myvi??? if u able to sell it on market doesnt means ur sales will be as good as other..

This post has been edited by su8aru: Feb 27 2007, 01:28 PM

the KFC was refereed to sedan type.
kenari/kelisa/myvi, i'd say that they are burgers. and myvi being the bigmac.

because there is still people buying it just for their early morning market trip, fetch kids to tuition/skool etc?

is kelisa/kenari/myvi as big as a iswara/saga? maybe true in myvi's case but kelisa and kenari?

kelisa/kenari problem free?


same old 20 year old tech thing AGAIN... anything newer ar?

lol did i mention kelisa/kenari is a totally problem free car?? did i???

so??? angry because i bashing your protong cars?? dont so easily get angry n tulan lahh... well tat is just my personal opinion.. The Saga is really old and aged... then why dont you choose new Iswara than choosing ur Satria Neo???