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jj2themax
post Jul 17 2013, 04:30 PM

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Partly is because the house condition needs fixing.
But I don't mind due to the location and of course, price.



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post Jul 17 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 17 2013, 04:25 PM)
I worry more when bank don't give me loan anymore.......
Like I say before..... If bank is willing to give me loan of hundreds millions now, I'll take without hesitation..... Unless u think bank give loan without accessing me?......  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Its for your own good. I'm sure if you're financially capable bank will give you a loan, they need to make money. So why worry... don't worry la, cannot get loan don't buy lo... see, no fear no worries.

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post Jul 17 2013, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 17 2013, 05:25 PM)
I worry more when bank don't give me loan anymore.......
Like I say before..... If bank is willing to give me loan of hundreds millions now, I'll take without hesitation..... Unless u think bank give loan without accessing me?......  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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bank u give u loan one.... bcs bank officer need to show every year loan growth that much .... ...later can realised some interest income..... and ... so that at the year end got big bonus... good increment.

bank officer don't care one la.... they are too big to fail... got tax payer to bailt them up ma...if fail or if not ... it is shareholder money worst come to worst. tongue.gif

now u see again.

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QUOTE(jj2themax @ Jul 17 2013, 04:19 PM)
I bought a landed prop end of last year for own stay in sub sales. Manage to get 15% below bank value, but the prop needs some renovation done for sure.

Was wondering whether should I sell another prop I have which was bought 8 years ago. Still got a bit of loan left, thinking of settling it in 2 years. Is it better to sell the one I'm not staying?

I also don't like the idea of too much debt.
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always stay in the best one if one is really "alive". tongue.gif (i know some people stay in rundown apts or very old houses but collect rent from luxury homes).

if the one u r not staying in can easily fetch good rental, not a bad idea to keep it for rental, can use it to pay off the remaining debt.

but if rental poor, need a lot of repairs, then can sell - that will help you deal with the own stay home easier, assuming you have loan for it.

worst case is the prop stays vacant, rotting away...


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post Jul 17 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 04:36 PM)
Its for your own good. I'm sure if you're financially capable bank will give you a loan, they need to make money. So why worry... don't worry la, cannot get loan don't buy lo... see, no fear no worries.

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Exactly! So there is no worry when bank give loan to u!
If my Rule of Thumb:
#1 Live life to the fullest.....
#2 Always be Happy.....
Together with this quote of mine.....
If it is a problem, there is a solution. If there is no solution, then that is not a problem. It is call a Fact.
So why fear or worry?
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post Jul 17 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 17 2013, 04:56 PM)
Exactly! So there is no worry when bank give loan to u!
If my Rule of Thumb:
#1 Live life to the fullest.....
#2 Always be Happy.....
Together with this quote of mine.....
If it is a problem, there is a solution. If there is no solution, then that is not a problem. It is call a Fact.
So why fear or worry?
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Totally agree with your points.

If you find a property that you like but the price is too high and you can't get a loan (problem), don't buy (solution) - no fear, no worries
If you find a cheaper property that you can get a loan for but don't like (problem), don't buy (solution) - no fear, no worries

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post Jul 17 2013, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 17 2013, 04:38 PM)
bank u give u loan one.... bcs bank officer need to show every year loan growth that much .... ...later can realised some interest income..... and ... so that at the year end got big bonus... good increment.

bank officer don't care one la.... they are too big to fail... got tax payer to bailt them up ma...if fail or if not ... it is shareholder money worst come to worst. tongue.gif

now u see again.
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So basing on what u say, Msia bank give loan without accessing individual financially stabilities?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Thou, I don't deny there are cases where ppl forge doc..... But that doesn't means u can get any amt from bank anytime u like.... And anyway such cases I regard it as 'cheating' or 'conning' cases.....
If u got so strong connection to bank, able to get hundreds of millions without accessing my financial stability and yet u are afraid to take..... Then refer that to me..... I'll use my name to take, RM500mil, u'll get 20% 100mil for the connection!! No need to scare here worry that..... drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

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post Jul 17 2013, 05:05 PM

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Guys, i need advice:

May I know how to get the right property valuer? I'm confused.

Should I say that I get few property valuers to value the unit one by one; thereafter I inform the owner the lowest value I have and propose him the selling price? Can someone briefly let me know the steps on how you guys normally do it?


QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 02:59 PM)
In the example of the zombie attack, the Down Camp are already waiting somewhere... its the Up Camp (or should I say those that have recently entered and not exit yet) that are not reading the signs and still asking... where? got ah? where ah? BOOM... first ones to die are always those that see it last...

You see, making money is about, taking action fast to buy and also taking action fast to sell (knowing when to exit when market is softening... like now... in my opinion)... no point buy, keep but never sell... end up with a lot of debt and empty houses only... Its like some Up camper's example of aircond coach... you managed to get on board... good... but must also know when to get off.

I love those who like to be heroes... go in guns blazing... first to die... yes a lot of glory but percentage survival 0%... Those watching appreciate their heroism but then inside thinking... this fella siau one... sometimes must use brains and think la...

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Mind to share your "achievements" in property so far?
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post Jul 17 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:02 PM)
Totally agree with your points.

If you find a property that you like but the price is too high and you can't get a loan (problem), don't buy (solution) - no fear, no worries
If you find a cheaper property that you can get a loan for but don't like (problem), don't buy (solution) - no fear, no worries

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Whatever context in this forum or post, u can also link to "don't buy''.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 17 2013, 05:07 PM)
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Whatever context in this forum or post, u can also link to "don't buy''....  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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It's about time biggrin.gif

Anyway that's the solution right? feel free to give a better solution to the below scenarios.

you like a property but can't get a loan... how to buy??? so only way is don't buy ... solved
you find a property can get a loan but don't like the place... and you still buy??? so you buy something you don't like??? then everyday you tell yourself I pay hundreds of thousand for something you don't like... no right??? so solution ... you don't buy.... solved
you find a property that you like, and you can get a loan then you buy lo... solved

Its not about linking to "don't buy"... its facts are simple to tell... its lies that is difficult and gets more and more difficult to cover.

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post Jul 17 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:13 PM)
It's about time biggrin.gif

Anyway that's the solution right? feel free to give a better solution to the below scenarios.

you like a property but can't get a loan... how to buy??? so only way is don't buy ... solved It depends on whether is it too far to reach or not..... Sometime it may be due to some minor factor that causes bank reject....  brows.gif  brows.gif
you find a property can get a loan but don't like the place... and you still buy??? so you buy something you don't like??? then everyday you tell yourself I pay hundreds of thousand for something you don't like... no right??? so solution ... you don't buy.... solved This is definite!  nod.gif  nod.gif
you find a property that you like, and you can get a loan then you buy lo... solved If u added this earlier then u don't sound so discouraging or bias mah.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

Its not about linking to "don't buy"... its facts are simple to tell... its lies that is difficult and gets more and more difficult to cover.

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post Jul 17 2013, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:13 PM)
It's about time biggrin.gif

Anyway that's the solution right? feel free to give a better solution to the below scenarios.

you like a property but can't get a loan... how to buy??? so only way is don't buy ... solved - Work harder la lazy fellow. Do something about your income and fix it
you find a property can get a loan but don't like the place... and you still buy??? so you buy something you don't like??? then everyday you tell yourself I pay hundreds of thousand for something you don't like... no right??? so solution ... you don't buy.... solved - Buy first and stay la.. If really too bad then move out la.. Beggars can't choose after all.
you find a property that you like, and you can get a loan then you buy lo... solved The property I like cost million dollar.. Facing green serenity.. with personal pool and big enough car porch.. If I only buy what I lilke then hoseh liao la.. whole life no need buy.

Its not about linking to "don't buy"... its facts are simple to tell... its lies that is difficult and gets more and more difficult to cover.

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fixed for you la. Solution is within your hands. Don't give excuses.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 17 2013, 05:05 PM)
Guys, i need advice:

May I know how to get the right property valuer? I'm confused.

Should I say that I get few property valuers to value the unit one by one; thereafter I inform the owner the lowest value I have and propose him the selling price? Can someone briefly let me know the steps on how you guys normally do it?
Mind to share your "achievements" in property so far?
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It works this way.. If it's back in my hometown? In KL you can get all the valuer and they give you low try to go and negotiate with the agent.. Those fellows will tell you there is buyer already.

I'm talking about perspective of RM400k homes approx. Not too sure with anything above that.


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post Jul 17 2013, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 17 2013, 05:23 PM)

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Whether big or small problem that you can't get the loan is still can't get... if you can fix it, then it means you can get... so if you like the place then buy la.

It's the given la, you like the place and you can get a loan then you buy, that's what everyone is doing now no???

The problem is, for the amount of loan people can get, they don't like the place... so how? don't buy lo... very simple. no fear, no worries.

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 17 2013, 05:26 PM)
fixed for you la. Solution is within your hands. Don't give excuses.
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Wow your solution is for a person with multiple characteristics... 1st person doesn't accept the fact and therefore looks for ways to increase income, 2nd person accepts the fact and buys and stays... LoL... Champion's answer.. I like it...

No one giving excuses la... why la so defensive again... chill la... you work harder to buy the place you like end up you don't have health and time to enjoy the place and can't live life to the fullest... you buy the place you don't like and stay first everyday you look around and you also cannot live life happy... already your solution doesn't meet the two rules of thumb by App-man.

But one thing I agree... solution is in your hands... no one forcing you to buy or not to buy... that's your call.. and don't complain either... if you like a place but won't go down on their asking... just walk away... no point wasting time say to him "so expensive, can't afford"... simple... one offer, take it or leave it.

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:31 PM)
Whether big or small problem that you can't get the loan is still can't get... if you can fix it, then it means you can get... so if you like the place then buy la.

It's the given la, you like the place and you can get a loan then you buy, that's what everyone is doing now no???

The problem is, for the amount of loan people can get, they don't like the place... so how? don't buy lo... very simple. no fear, no worries.

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Personally, i hav never encourage ppl 'dont buy' before..... Neither do I encourage ppl to BBB without consideration...
My point is simple..... Nobody reads the future for sure..... the fear and worry in most ppl is...... what IF i 'dont buy' now, price dont drop, and still goes up, that will be even more difficult or impossible for them to get it in future. And this has been 'a fact' for many ppl........ If now is a 'problem', in future it may become 'a bigger problem'....... If I can't fix a 'problem' now how am I able to fix that 'bigger problem' in future......
Unless u hav a 'solution' for ppl even if price went higher they still can get a prop..... Then u say 'don't buy' now lor....
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Another reason I can't advise others because .... I can be a 'show hand' man..... Not suitable for many...... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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A recent meeting amongst economist has already point to the robust growth for most ASEAN economies this year. Some may fare much better than last year as you might already know countries like Philippines and Singapore are lifting their projection upwards.

Malaysia will just hang on in the very right place.



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Singstat Reports Singapore's GDP up 3.7% in Q2 2013 Y-O-Y
July 12, 2013
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/news/press_rele...dvgdp2q2013.pdf

Singapore Q2 GDP surges 3.7% yoy
Business Times Singapore | July 12, 2013
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/breaking-n...37-yoy-20130712

Singapore GDP Surges 15.2% On Quarter In Q2  (this is a quarter-to-quarter growth)
July 13, 2013
http://www.rttnews.com/2149733/singapore-g...spx?type=alleco

Singapore Q2 GDP growth strongest in over two years
The Malaysian Insider | July 12, 2013
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-over-two-years
There are alot of people that are gonna invest in Malaysian properties this year as well. As you might already know, the mainstream media has reported that the Govt is considering several new liberalisation on the real estate sector to allow foreign insitutional buying.

Malaysian private sector have proposed several new inftrastructure plans to the Cabinet soon. The latest news is Warisan Merdeka will be ground-breaking soon as I think they just had Rule 5 meeting regarding the public protests and had overcome it quite reasonably well. TQ.

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Wahhabi you guys still argue buy or not buy ;$
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buy 1 house also scared this and scared that, aiyoyo! what so difficult?? we going to move forward to V12 soon, still worry this and worry that.
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jul 17 2013, 06:53 PM)
buy 1 house also scared this and scared that, aiyoyo! what so difficult?? we going to move forward to V12 soon, still worry this and worry that.
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Hehe....for sure u relax la, u have so many props alrdy. We are still struggling to get 1 by 1.

But generally, I believe prices of property will go up in the long run. Land/Map is a limited thing. Not like we can create new maps.

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