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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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post Jun 13 2013, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 12 2013, 11:37 PM)
Just want to ask a quick question:

If all along you have been staying in landed property, would you be able to get used to it if you stay in a condo unit one day?
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depending. I used to stay in landed.. bought a landed prop back in 2008/2009.. stay only for a year and shifted out already.. It's kinda scary staying in 20x70 alone. Now staying in a 1000sft condo.. it's still huge for me.
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post Jun 21 2013, 12:00 AM

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Sui liao! gold price drop muahahahah. 1,100 faster come haha.

Anyway I've survey Batu Tiga - Subang - Sunway area for my third prop.. Damn it.. it seems like the price had spike about RM50k approx in these area. nothing in RM350k is decent...
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post Jun 21 2013, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 21 2013, 02:48 AM)
Beware that you may get more than what you wish for.
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What to be aware of? Not like i'm buying gold during it's prime time. 1,900? tongue.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(sgchan90 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:57 AM)
Gold is only good for store of value and when got inflation.  That is as far as you can generally lump gold and housing together.

Housing is quite different from gold as it has utility - can stay or rent or at least some return if it is not in the ulu.

Same with shares, when market down generally housing will hang on to its level maybe just go down slightly at worst, it is not as volatile as shares.
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lol i do know that fact. laugh.gif "GOLD" it's just that to shut someone up regarding gold as an investment this would be the best time to buy. Not when it's sky rocket price @ 1.92 or 1.8x.
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post Jun 24 2013, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 24 2013, 09:37 AM)
Everyone knows it for a fact... and its not just the LRTs its the freaking streets and parking areas as well... So whats so great about properties near MRTs/ LRTs? I don't get it... and I seriously don't get how these Up campers can continue telling such false stories... If they really genuinely believe that these properties near MRTs and LRTs are good and are sharing .. then fine... but if deep down inside they know they selling false stories, well.... remember one thing dear Up campers... money isn't everything, karma can take everything away in a blink of an eye... So do whats right...  biggrin.gif
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I have a negative view on props near the MRT/LRT line as well. I just hope those new lines would not be flooded with bangla who got their 2 years expiry IC.
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post Jun 28 2013, 08:44 AM

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There is once ppl are debating and talking about GOLD replacing Currency Value. Now talking about investing in other countries when yourself do not even know well about your own country... Speechless to be honest.

Never knew property talk would turn out to be an investment channel. In LYN we have separate sub-forum for the specific investment channel. Please click on them and discuss them there la instead of property channel.

The concern for folks in this section isn't about stock market in US, BRAZIL, NEVADA or whatsoever.. It's more towards the sustainability of our market at the current situation.

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post Jul 3 2013, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 3 2013, 11:15 AM)
if downturn really come, the ddd camp says dun buy yet, wait for 50% correction. use ala share mkt mindset  doh.gif
then newbies re-open another thread, izit a good time to buy now?
their worries, wat if lose job, wat if no customer for buss, wat if liquidity crunch cums again and etc
as if bank r willing to giv out loan happily during bad times  shakehead.gif

before the newbies knows it, even 10% correction pun takde  hmm.gif
all those kiasu youngster who saved enough wil fast2 buy props laugh.gif
and we go one more round, newbie open thread, wil props price drop. and they wait again for the next generation
till now, I stil waiting for nenek moyang nasi lemak price to become 1 sen  tongue.gif
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post Jul 3 2013, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 3 2013, 05:24 PM)
gee zuiko, once u go there to prove urself, then u got no more secret identity  hmm.gif
cannot be superman and wear underwear outside, might as well u be a writer for some props magazine  cool2.gif
after they take foto of ur assets, dicky, nenek and etc. then the whole world know where and when to rob u  shakehead.gif
at same time, u can show their foto too and take foto of their pussycat and datuk from keranda  rolleyes.gif
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I'm more interested with Zuiko's mistress photo brows.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jul 3 2013, 05:25 PM)
Hi sifus, I just bot a sub sale property RM190k. Give the current BLR now, will you go for fixed rate loan or normal loan (follow BLR)? I intend this property for long term maybe 5-10 years at least.
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bro.. go for whatever is lower.. We can't predict the future. If you go for higher what if the BLR continues to decrease? Adding on are you going to stay there for the rest of your life? You might be selling your place off in a couple of years. The longest period for me to stay in a place was 18 months laugh.gif I'll definitely pick the lowest.. Now i'm finding a place to shift again. haha
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post Jul 4 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jul 4 2013, 08:14 AM)
you nomad  biggrin.gif but my friend told me that since my prop is below 200k, the interest is like fix. is it?
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why would you say it's fix? it will still make a different.
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post Jul 4 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jul 4 2013, 10:00 AM)
i mean if my loan is below, the interest is higher. say example if i get 150k loan, bank gives me -1.7 BLR = 4.9%. And fixed loan is around 4.9%. But if I get 400k loan, then bank might gives me -2.4 = 4.2%. so if my loan is below 200k, then not much difference compare with fixed.
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hurmm..what I would suggest is to contact them and check it out. Not too sure whether they will give u the same rate when you borrow less.

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post Jul 8 2013, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(Dern @ Jul 8 2013, 01:04 AM)
actually i find it very weird that more and more "new ids" and existing ones are trying deperately to explain how "normal" the property situation is in malaysia, after the new implementation....isnt it ironic ? this itself is a sign the property situation is going to go down slowly and surely biggrin.gif

actually you dont have to re-explain to all of this forumers, really...especially the "up campers". they are very obviously agents or people with vested interests, who thinks that by explaining here and "controlling" who posts what that they will control the property reality picture  laugh.gif for sure, more "implementation is to come"....

the fact that when they cant understand that majority of the people's salary doesnt rises with the way property prices rises and keep rebutting with other "excuses", you know they actually are just trying to boast around, not the real deal. not looking down, but for all you know, they might be really working as technicians in lowyat or perhaps no business agents...their way of talking already give you a big picture who they are in reality biggrin.gif
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look whos talking. Pretty disappointed with how the way you put things. Just because you had a different POV and you would categorize them so lowly?? That's your conclusion? Just because you did not make it, it doesn't mean others had not reach there yet. You do not need to drag everyone down to your level to make yourself happier. smile.gif

like it or not.. I'm having difficulty finding a apartment for less than rm400k now. So much about lelong unit and so on.. If you really did try it you will know how hard it is for you to get em.. tried to nego a couple and the owners insisted with the firm price. I'm not too sure whether it's the agent or owner but like it or not they are not desperate selling it and that's for sure. If you look at the trend now.. Anything below RM400k is CHEAP. It used to be RM300k previousll.. but for RM300k i can't even find myself something decent now.. While the figures in my banking account is growing but it isn't as quick as the property prices in klang valley... We are running out of land after all. smile.gif look at where they are building the homes now.

Continue waiting and let's see where you get by 2014? All we need is time to prove you wrong.. backdated from 2007 until now.. how long more should the waiting game continue? Ask yourself.
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post Jul 8 2013, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(sayo @ Jul 8 2013, 08:43 AM)
sokong..sokong...somehow, for most of us waiting for softenng of the market, i ponder with "nervousness"...is it maybe a new paradigm which a lot of us cannot accept ....like how we use to say this place ulu and all and price is unaceptable, but later turn out to be "ong" after few years...and it became norm...

but I think realistically holding power for this batch of new properties( tier 1/2 areas) will be there cause buyers bought it at 250-400 which bank repayments are reasonable. These handed over properties have risen to between 500-900k today. ...But the next batch (flippers /investors) which entered the market within these past year ...well..maybe will face a different scenario. hmm.gif
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that's why my focus is within the region of 250k - 400k. Myself do agree that the bubble is building up but anything below rm350 psft i think it's a safe buy. Those above the region of rm1000psft will be the first to kena hit if anything really do happen. made a mistake... should have not wait until after the election.. The /condo's in shah alam area is all being jacked up.. im kinda pissed cold calling the agents... i was like WTF.. they posted up 3 days ago.. when i call them they said "sold"? got xxxx or not... They don't even bother to recommend me any other thing, especially the chinese agents.... to my surprise they don't seem desperate for business while some of the malay agents seems to be nicer cause they will recommend something somewhere else at least...

QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jul 8 2013, 10:51 AM)
Yeah I guess I am one of the people that he categorized lowly. BTW I am a new member and I am not a property agent.

These people have been proven wrong since the day I heard it in 2010 when I want to buy my first apartment.  Now trying to talk down on people like me.

Hey, did you guys know that we can get tax return on the interest if we bought properties during2009 to 2010? Now no more for properties bought after 2010. Man I really really would have shoot myself if I bought it after 2010. My SNP was dated 23 December 2010. If waited for 10 more days, I would not be eligible already for the tax return. There are other factors to be eligible for this but the main one was to buy the property during 2009 to 2010. I bet you guys dont know this because either you guys have too much properties or bought before 2009 or after 2010. Yup if I listen to these DDD campers, I would be losing twice. I got audited last year for this. I ask LHDN why?? They said the main reason is the house that you claim tax return on the interest in the tax form. Well I brought the SNP and show them the date that I bought the apartment. Maximum you can claim is 10k. That is a lot of savings from the tax I tell you.
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;( too bad mine was after 2010... while the one i bought on early 2009 is sold right after a year and a half.

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QUOTE(cheraspeople @ Jul 8 2013, 03:59 PM)
Ya. I also looking for the G&G landed house in the range of 250K to 400K for a 2000sq+ size in KL. Still not luck getting one sad.gif
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That's an impossible price for G&G man.... start looking for condo instead..
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jul 10 2013, 12:32 PM)
This I agreed fully nod.gif
Can sleep better at night without worry income drop lar, interest up lar, cannot rent out lar and others laugh.gif
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At least for now.

When you are young you have to option to choose whether to worry or should I use the proper word, PLAN to worry? You can choose to start planning today Or else the other way round is to worry in your old age. smile.gif Most likely during that period of time you can do nothing about it.
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jul 10 2013, 04:17 PM)
Indirectly you are right but there are many type of ppls "worry",
some do research & take calculate risk worry
some just follow the buying trend worry
this 2 groups of ppls are way apart in different "worry"
Btw why old age must worry?
I know quite a numbers in late 60 above are still active in investing properties, they are my sifu  whistling.gif
As long you are equipped with right attitude & farsighted, you as good as any others investors
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Why old age only worry? you said it yourself. No buy property no worry so when old ady continue to rent? Old living with only your
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QUOTE(Nomos @ Jul 10 2013, 03:50 PM)
Simply put, property prices went up because of credit. Take that away or limit its accessibility and you will see what happens.

You see as car prices rose, so did the hire purchase tenure. My parents laugh at todays generation paying 9 years for a car.

These have little to do with young people earning more.

We have always had high paying professionals in the country. Its nothing new. But theyre not the majority, far from it in fact.
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Why would your parents laugh when ppl took a 9 year loan for hire purchase? I've changed 3 cars in 6 years and all of em I took 9 years. What's the problem? maybe you should enlighten me. The most I lost as compared to others would be a couple of thousand when I try to sell them back to the bank but my banking account is cash loaded I have no problem doing that. In 6 years time I did twice early settlement for my hire purchase and once for my home loan. Taking longer tenure period loan does not mean it's a stupid move to begin with. Especially when you know what exactly you can do with your money. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Nomos @ Jul 10 2013, 09:22 PM)
Nah its not laughing at people, they just find the whole situation so ridiculous yet people now accept it as the norm. Different gen - what can we say? In their time, four years was too long. Kidmad you're very fortunate to be able to settle early. I think the majority out there cant - they just move from one car loan to another.
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Well put it in this way. If you know how to use your money wisely you will have some spare cash a couple of condo and a decent car at a young age. Nomos, while you might be laughing at others or maybe your parents but what if i told you that my 1st prop had gained me rm14xk which given me the chance to leverage further and use it accordingly?

Why did i took a 9 year loan instead of a 3 or 5 years? Simple.. you just need to find a way to play with the ruling BNM given you. if you tie yourself down with a loan as high as rm1.5k just for a car do you actually know your chances to obtain a loan from any bank is much lower as compared to a guy only borrow rm800 - rm1000? I have some cash left in my banking account but again.. Why should i put all of them into a CAR? Do you mean driving a BMW it's best to buy it with CASH? That's nut case.. when the loan for a BMW can go as low as 0.8 - 1.2% why don't you just get the damn loan and use your cash for better purpose?

Again those on the opposite camp sure call me chui sui la. Nah a little bit of sneak peak of what i have la.


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post Jul 10 2013, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jul 10 2013, 09:03 PM)
You really newbie in investing world. Age is just a number, depend on how well your planning is. Some ppl start invest late, some early and some very late.
Depend on the person priority in life. A person must learn how to earn $$ in order to generate most $$(the seed of investing). And that is "working" not investing at beginning.
You my friend, overdone your investing time.

Ps, If you want to know
my parent currently living in a condo that we(siblings) brought, so can live nearby with my bro & sold off theirs.
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Newbie in investment WORLD!? Age is the only thing your money can't BUY! the rest of the FIGURES are just numbers!!@ Well i'm not too sure about you but at this point of life i really do not need to worry that much about dollar and cent. blush.gif

QUOTE(cheraspeople @ Jul 10 2013, 09:08 PM)
It is still not a wise choice when u take 9 yrs loan and yet only used the car for 2 years (3 cars in 6 years) but paid for 9 years interest. In fact in many cases people going for 9 years loan is because they simply can't afford higher repayment. Anyway, i won't laugh at those people because it is bad to look down on people.
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Well it isn't wise.. But let me tell you the reason why i took 9 years.

My 1st car.. Just started working.. Drives a BLM at the same time i already have the intention that i need to SAVE a bulk of GOLD for my 1st home. Thus i took a car loan where the monthly repayment was RM397.

2 1/2 years time i manage to save RM30k not bad.. but still not enough for my 1st home.. My parent given me approx RM10k for lawyer fee and the remaining downpayment. My 1st prop at the age of 25. Pretty happy that moment.

My third year i manage to land a much better pay job with the right mentality... If i were to have the mind set of waiting and what also cannot be done i'm pretty sure i would not get the job. At that time.. Travelling from setia alam to Cyberjaya is too damn far the petrol consumption is close to RM120 per week. So i did an early settlement sold off the car and got a 2nd hand savvy for RM22k WITH 9 YEARS LOAN!? at this point why i do that??? Well that will go back to the first question.. What's the ruling of BNM again? How many % of your salary can be used for car installment or home?

So back to the point... You really do think all this happened because of luck? Well i'm lucky that my parents could help me with the 10k for my 1st home initially but other than that? Think again.. It's up to you on how you want to plan your life. Your take home salary itself would not make you problem free. smile.gif
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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Jul 10 2013, 08:21 PM)
9 yrs? Wow. U  r the victim of our poor economy.
Currently it appear normal simply bcoz of the super low intetests.
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oh seriously? biggrin.gif thank god i don't feel so. Haha
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QUOTE(Dern @ Jul 10 2013, 11:06 PM)
excellent quote there. but as you know, many like to see how they want to see it. if the market is not full of those with poor household, the government wont be launching a lot of PRIMA houses. the ratio is becoming more obvious....
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More like a government move to garner votes than to actually provide to the needy.

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