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post Jun 12 2013, 11:37 PM

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Just want to ask a quick question:

If all along you have been staying in landed property, would you be able to get used to it if you stay in a condo unit one day?
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post Jun 16 2013, 07:28 PM

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guys, I need advice here:

I'm a first time property buyer. Recently I saw an apartment unit at Pelangi Damansara, the unit is vacant and rented out, and tenancy contract will end next year Dec. The owner is selling at RM325K and the current rental is RM1400 per month.

I have searched around, the units of this apartment are selling at RM280K +, not more than RM300K.

My questions:
1. Given the MRT is under construction, is it worth buying this unit for investment?

2. Should I get an inspector to investigate the value of this unit?
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post Jun 16 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 16 2013, 07:44 PM)
no need inspector, just ask bank for the indicative value. the bank may not loan you to the asking price
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Yes, I will do that tomorrow.

QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 16 2013, 09:07 PM)
Rental yield of about 5%. Not bad in this market

Is it FH or LH ?
Are you cashflow positive ?
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leasehold. In Mutiara Damansara, majority of the properties are Lease Hold, which including the newly built SOHO - Empire Damansara.

QUOTE(soules83 @ Jun 16 2013, 09:55 PM)
woah RM1400 thats a lot. I don't think you need a inspector...with this kind of price bank loan is easier to get.
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If you are renting out bare unit, your rental price will be lower. Mine is a partly furnished unit, including furniture and built-in cabinets.

Anyway, after I have calculated, I need to repay RM1700 monthly housing loan, which means I don't earn any instead.

Am i calculating the right way?

QUOTE(cranx @ Jun 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
good rental, my friend is renting out RM800 only. perhaps is time to revise the price.
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I see...

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 16 2013, 10:40 PM)
How many existing and new apartments are near to MRT station?
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Can you be specify in your question?

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post Jun 17 2013, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Sikit2JadiBukit @ Jun 16 2013, 11:53 PM)
Pelangi Damansara is a mixed development with low cost and mid cost apartment, did you mix up the 2?  hmm.gif
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My one is a low cost one, orange color building.
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post Jun 17 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 17 2013, 08:20 AM)
Could you lengthen your loan tenure to make it at least cashflow breakeven ? Or reduce the LTV ?

5% doesn't sound bad to me if it is cashflow breakeven at least. In a few years time, you can make it cashflow positive by either increasing the rent, or repaying some of your loan amount.

Rough Calculation :

Loan RM300k, 30 years, interest 4.4% monthly installment = about RM1.5k
Increase to 35 years, monthly installment = about RM1.4k

Is the rental of RM1400 the market rate there ? Doesn't sound like a low cost apartment rental rate to me
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Eddy, I can get 30 years of loan tenure because (I'm still young, hehe..) but your calculation is correct. I need to lengthen my loan tenure even up to 35 years then only I can breakeven (this is also provided I pay only RM10K downpayment).

The orange color of Pelangi Damansara is middle cost or low cost? RM1400 is the real figure because I have met the tenants there yesterday. My agent is also my friend, if he lies to me, meaning he will lost the whole gang of my friends. I trust him.

So, does it mean if I can pro-long the tenure to get my monthly repayment RM1400, then this willl be a good buy?
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post Jun 17 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 10:15 AM)
Who will pay rent on vacant low cost apartment? Could the tenant is phony? The seller forego 10 months (RM8,000) rent for extra RM45,000.
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There are colleges nearby. Tenants can be students wink.gif

Owner wants to sell so that he/she has extra money for other business.
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 17 2013, 11:45 AM)
Cant deny 90% LTV on sub sales prop (even with 30 loan tenure) are hard to have positive cash flow these days.....
@debbieyss, u may hav to look into the bank valuation of the prop. Lower valuation means u hav to cash top up the difference....
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Yes, I'm checking with the bank. Will know it soonest by this few days.
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post Jun 17 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 17 2013, 03:16 PM)
For me, investment property I will try to get loan tenure as long as possible to reduce the monthly cash outflow. As long as I have tenant, I don't really mind sharing some of the rental income with bank. It is the tenant who pay my bank loan anyway  laugh.gif

I think the orange one is middle cost. The apartment fronting LDP is flora damansara which looks like low cost. I am not that familiar with the place though so didn't know the price went up so high 

Like Appreciative Man said, try to get the bank to value as per selling price, so you don't need to fork out more initial capital.

The last thing to check would be the monthly management fees, bi-yearly assessment and quit rent. Total up it may be RM100+ per month (assuming no swimming pool, gym etc which the management fees is cheaper)
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The bank replied, the unit I'm targeting worth only RM250K, which means I need to fork out another RM100K (including S&P fee) to buy this unit. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Dan01 @ Jun 17 2013, 05:22 PM)
Are you sure on the price?

You did not state the size. I see at asking at iproperty for 1000sqft up is above 400k. The 280k-300k ones are the smaller ones 700-800sqft.
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The size is around 790sf only.

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 17 2013, 05:27 PM)
For investment purposes, always lengthen your loan tenure. This reduces your monthly burden and improves your credit rating for future purchases. But if u have to lengthen the period just to afford the property then the property isnt for you. Same with car loans. Another thing to note is to always get loans without lock in period. This will allow u to flip or refinance.
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Yes, I agreed with you.
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post Jun 17 2013, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jun 17 2013, 08:53 PM)
since you can get other asking price of RM280k, why not you go for them instead of this unit 325k?
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Ya, that's what I'm planning to do now... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(HeartRock_Cafe @ Jun 21 2013, 11:35 PM)
Dude, any supporting fact? I don't believe 90% of Malaysian not owning minimum a house.
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I'm one of them, haven't owned a house yet.. sad.gif
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post Jun 22 2013, 06:21 PM

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For me, Ronney1985's comments do make sense though. I don't know how do you think about it. MRT has a station at Mid Valley City and it brough the crowd to sweep units of KL Eco City in weeks. I am not fancy about MRT project because it will be a crime spot and as said, most will choose to drive as MRT or public transports are middle-low level people's preference. (Look at the buses, who are the passengers?)
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post Jun 22 2013, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 22 2013, 06:27 PM)
Hmmm. I see many people take lrt. When i just started working, even my boss took lrt. He made a lot of money. Parked his bmw at lrt station and took lrt coz it was easy for him to commute rather than being stucked in a jam. Different people different preference i guess.
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Not only that. Your boss take LRT because the LRT brings him to another station that is walking distance to his office. If your boss has to take a bus to change route after an LRT ride, I don't think he will want to go for it.

I definitely will not take LRT unless the LRT take me directly to my destination.
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post Jun 22 2013, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 22 2013, 06:36 PM)
Of course, dear. His destination was klcc. Anyway many people work all over the place. What one should do now is to study the mrt stops and buy where u think is suitable. Try checking circle line for instance. The stations are on interesting places.
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The Putra LRT stop right at the tunnel of KLCC, surely your boss will take LRT to work. By the way, I will still think twice to take LRT or not if my office is in KLCC.
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post Jun 22 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 22 2013, 10:58 PM)
i always take mrt when i m in Shanghai. (much faster than taxi if the destination is near mrt), u can reach anywhere with mrt. all prop nearby mrt are much more expensive.

www.exploreshanghai.com/ditie/#
p/s: u can calculate travel time n fare from above, just drag from one point to another.

i think kl will be the same.
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Shang Hai is so much different from KL, brother.....

You are talking about ur work place near to LRT, i am talking about work place that do not have an LRT nearby. Just take a very simple.example, from Mid Valley to Leisure Mall, bus doesnt stop by at Leisure Mall, LRT stations are not available at Leisure Mall.
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post Jun 23 2013, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 22 2013, 10:47 PM)
I have no time to comment on Rooney's statement about the mrt and lrt week ago, I'm totally disagree as nowadays many different income group are willing to take lrt to work or shopping, and it's true that our lrt have limitation to benefit the public but those living nearby lrt station will definitely enjoy it, I agreed that Malaysian are used to drive but we can also take lrt when necessary as an option, from business point of view, public transport company won't expect the profit margin from you as full time customer, same as paparich won't expect u 365 days have lunch & dinner with them.

I don't take lrt to work but I used to take lrt to visit my dentist at UOA bangsar, shopping at pavilion, PWTC etc. nowadays many people willing to park their car at lrt station and take lrt to office just bcos to avoid traffic jam, don't tell me that people living 200-300 meter away from the station don't enjoy it, Vincent Tan was trying hard to get the monorail station just in front of time square, the cronies have bought the BB plaza building also bcos the mrt station infront of it.

Maybe the mrt might take to long to prove it, but you can survey from the existing lrt, or maybe the 2 line extension to putra height can prove it since it will materialize not too long from now.
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My house has an LRT nearby, i seldom enjoy the benefits:
1. When i reached the station, no place for me to park my car
2. I need to reach my destination at 5am but LRT yet to open.
3. I have time concern as LRT closes after 12am
4. I thought to save money so take LRT to college during my college time, though need to walk 15 min from the station to college, and under hot sun or under sudden rain, i didn't mind BUT, in the end i found out the LRT rate is almost the same as my petrol expense
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post Jun 29 2013, 03:31 PM

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Sometimes we have to be flexible. Takkan we discuss sth relevant to gold and when the chat go deeper into gold, we ask everyone go to Gold Thread, right.
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post Jul 11 2013, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(hazairi @ Jul 10 2013, 11:49 PM)
like i said previously.
My strategy currently is to keep rental as low as possible and keep cash as high as I can. When the property bursts i might need the cash for high deposit payment as when the time comes, definitely it's goin to be hard to take a loan to buy those cheap properties
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Hazairi, one of your articles stated: Either the bubble will burst another 1-2 years, or another 5 years.

2 years and 5 years are quite a gap though. But I can't afford a home yet, so, yeah, I have to wait...

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post Jul 13 2013, 12:35 PM

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I don't like the topic discussion here. Not giving hope to first time home buyer + non-affordable level like me.
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post Jul 13 2013, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jul 13 2013, 03:46 PM)
Hello dear. I just got back from see see look look on subsales in kl. What do u know i found one sub rm300k with 3 bedrooms. Affordable houses are ALWAYS available. Just need some searching.
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May i know where is the unit u have bought?
i did search around sub sales but either it is too expensive or too far away from city, and those which is near to the city are low cost units, which tend to have high crime rates.
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post Jul 13 2013, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 13 2013, 06:04 PM)
hope can be illusional... so, best u get real and check the market on the ground.

this thread, if you complain somemore, they'll tell u to get off yr lazy butt and work harder, incl weekends, part-time whatever. tongue.gif
i doubt prices are falling yet, but i f u do enuf homework and negotiate hard, good chance u find wat u want/can afford.

while there are long noses asking high price, there are also realistic nervous motivated sellers - just u sniff them out, which one is which.
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I have done 2 part time jobs. If i can i will do more, but i am very tired.

I dont mind the housing price getting higher, but it doesnt mean i am willing see the price rising 50% higher after 2 years where our salary rise only 5% per year.


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