Hello the Proton Campro Engine you feel good or not??
I got a friend always say Campro Engine is very very good.. because he driving Proton Gen2. i got to test he can. i only know the Engine Start Speed very very slow!! but don't know how you feel la. please share with us the good thing and bad things.

Wrong section dude... it should be in Fast & Furious

OMG....

Campro = RWI

Since when ?

haha funny
but i think the engine is so so lah
quite smooth also.

but pickup not really there.

let compare the only other 1.6 engine that did 110 horsepower , oh wait ...
most 1.6 from are delievering atleast 140 hp , cause they are more efficient

damm , the next closest I can think of is ga16de that is a 100 hp engine but it is more fuel saving cause the power dont kick it only you rev high and it save more fuel than campro and it is proven reliable base for turbocharging

anyway , campro if you are a high revver , it is a ok ok engine
you are sitll better off with 4age or mivec or vtec engine
lower price more power more reliable

1.6 with 140bhp?
that's mivec lor!

campro is using F5M41
means F5M42 (mivec terbalik)

OMG!!! 1.6 got 140 HP?? Nissan QG16DE Engine also lose....
can let me know the engine name?

what ? for decade japan maker already pushing engine 1.6 to atleast 140 hp lah

vtec got 160 so does 4age so does mivec and countless other , what soo surprising?

before this, proton said gen2 will be fitted with campro, along with CPS and VIM (Cam Profile Switching, something like MIVEC or VTEC and, Variable Inlet Manifold). those technologies were pull out at the last minute and gen2 was rush to the market. so its kinda early to judge the full potential of this engine at the moment.

For Powerful Engine : Nissan SR20

For Save Fuel Engine : Nissan SR16

swt ... neovvl are performance engine , it drink fuel alot lah ...
not really that save if you ask me

wat la.. Campro.. Vtec City give u 110.. Vios give u 109 lah.. both also 1.5 engine.. some more those engine give u better torqe in low rav.. campro... hay..

Well a typical 1.6 engine gives 110 HP for most normal road cars, while those 1.6 with 140-160HP are for their sporty lineup, such as the toyota levin/trueno series and the honda civic Si.

For me a 1.6 with 100HP is good enough for normal driving, but that depends to the car design as well. Having a 100HP car with a heavy car chasis like the waja and the new sentra makes the car underpowered as well.

As for the CAMPRO, it gives a decent 110hp but due to its high reviing design where 3-4k RPM is needed to bring the car's power, expect underpower when driving in cities or town driving.

guest18:
u r talking more to the engines for performance sporty car lineup, not to normal cars. I hope u dont confuse the rest

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Apr 29 2006, 01:22 PM

the Campro with CPS should deliver around 130bhp stock.

I think you kinda asked in the wrong place.

Anyways the campro engine is the smoothest engine i have driven by proton. It has a very conti feel to it. Our club members have dynoed a stock manual car and it registered 100HP on wheel, this is no lie. It's true that low end is slightly lower but it's more than enough for city driving, it's like a VTEC per se, if you push hard you will have a big smile on your face but the engine is also happy puttering around in the city. The engine has been taken to sepang by us numerous times and none have ever reported any failures at all. Visit our forum if you want to know how to push the HP up to 110 on wheel.

You guys make me wanna buy a Gen2 and twin turbo it.

The Waja and Gen2 is very capable for transplanting, nowadays. Apparently it's plug n play with the newer generation MIVEC, GSR and GDI engines.

Not really plug and play but the engines fit the orientation of right gearbox and the engine on the left.

Test driven the Waja Campro just now. Engine is very quiet and smooth. Pick up so so only but not that bad, coz filled with V-Power . Spacious and nice interior, esp the new meter cluster looks so cool with chrome edged.

This post has been edited by Futura: Apr 30 2006, 12:44 AM

hmm...i thought 4G92 DOHC (1.6 litre) normal one is around 120hp or more... and the torque is quite good also.

because 4G91 DOHC (1.5 litre) is already 110hp.

i will say campro engine is as good as vtech, even better...

wah.. u sound like come from Proton.. brave man.. please elaborate ur statement.. I believe most of us would like to listen...

are u a campro owner?

How come Gen2 doesnt seem to sell well overseas ar?

because foreign cars like honda, toyota and most of the european cars aint taxed like mad except for some south east asian country, like us. within the same price range, proton is no comparision to japs and european cars. also due to its unpopularity, spare parts are often more expensive. dont forget about depreciation too coz the used car market out there is full car with better quality.

This post has been edited by -=Axis=-: Apr 29 2006, 11:40 PM

Campro certainly have potential. It can beat VTEC if Proton really tries.
I mean really, VTEC is not impossible to beat.

Civic Type R's 1.6 chunks out 185bhp

there is potential..but wil take time for boleh land engineers to R&D..lol

i would like to add something... if i remember correctly... 4G92 SOHC (local 1.6 type) .. produce 112hp... (darn old technology and yet a single cam) ...
but then gen2 .. new tech (of coz without the CPS system ) .. only gets 110hp yet with a DOHC ... geeez... somemore weak low end torque from wat i heard most... judge urself ..

a 4G92 DOHC should be 120hp ++ .. not to says Mivec.. and of coz no fight with VTECs..

How come all this statement disagree one to another one..

mingson : see what i said about asking in the wrong place, if you don't believe the HP figures there are dyno charts in our forum to back them up.Not just hearsay.

the foreigners have better choices unlike us. The gen2 has dubious quality for them. Even though its cheaper than the Japanese and other european cars the maintainance and the 2nd hand value is horrible, similiar like European cars over here. That why the gen2 sold poorly in the UK.

read properly, he says IF proton really tries... hehehe

4G92 SOHC 1.6 already produces quite good torque and power at low end
To me Campro, high revs only.....if city driving (compare Waja & Waja Campro), I still prefer the old 4G18 engine

Gen 2 in Japan... ?

nope.. thats in taiwan i think.
wah... nice rear spoiler.

its japan plate number if im not mistaken.. not far from my frens place, he used to stay there.

Hey... dont compare Campro yet lah..

Wait till the engine 'fully finish' i.e Camshaft Profiling fitted in...

then only compare....

If you still wanna compare to other 1.6 engine, I say the current Campro is still sux...

i'm gen2 driver... , just wanna give some opinion...

if you'r a peaceful driver who drive with good habit as in NOT, in rush or always wanna overtake or wanna race with mivec or vtec...
then gen2 is ok for you.., the engine is ok ok lar... but don't expect to race with 4g93 or b16a... larrr... s4ph is just a plain normal engine without cps , vvt ..

while if you'r a driver who likes to accelerates alot... the one who likes from speed 30km/h expect to boost up to 120km/h in a few seconds... or those who likes to overtake front car although they'r on 70km/h ... or those who likes to tiong` others back....
then gen2 is a no no for you... , might as well just get a bmw e30 with 2jz or rb26dett .. race with mivec or vtec turbo ... kao kao...



This post has been edited by phunkydude: Apr 30 2006, 02:46 AM

those words are chinese, not japanese. the plate reads GaoXiong, thats a city in taiwan.

This is very very bold.....
Very....

Just wait till the rest read this...

Bold? NO!!!
Stupid? YEH!!

that is Taiwan Gao Xiong City number plate la.. my friend..

you are making a mistake la...

Of course...the car either will be High torgue or revy for DOHC
SOHC probarly high torque because most SOHC LAZY to rev...

i think he(sidius) is insulting campro, and not praising

You mean he was being sarcastic?

404 then
funny not found....
sarcasm not found then..

and anyone know Campro engine is make by which company??
i never hear b4 people say about this engine company.

proton la.

its by proton with lotus help... most lotus car doesnt use their own engines... so judge urself

did someone says Campro is way better than VTEC??? if this happens, Honda malaysia sure bankrup d... lolz

Cam Profile Switching technology by Lotus. Engine developed by Proton.

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE CODE CamPro S4PH
ENGINE CONFIGURATION 1.6 Litre 16V DOHC
NUMBER OF CYLINDER inLine - 4
DISPLACEMENT 1597cc
BORE 76 mmm
STROKE 88 mm
COMPRESSION RATIO 10:1
VALVE TRAIN Hydraulic Direct Acting
EMS Proton EMS700 Drive-By-Wire with detonation
control
ANCILLARY DRIVE Single Belt Auto Tensioner FEAD
CATALYTIC CONVERTER Single Close Couple Catalyst

PEAK PERFORMANCE POWER (Kw)
TORQUE (Nm) 82 @ 6000 rpm
148 @ 4000 rpm

EXHAUST EMISSION Euro Step 2/
Euro Step 3 with EOBD/
Euro Step 4 with EOBD capable

Cam Profile Switching technology not found. Please restart company. Failed to boot company, please format nation.

muahahahah ... good one ... real good one!

Actually, soggiepro is much better than any engine in this world. Too bad, just like campro, it doesn't exist in the real world. On paper yes there's such a design, but no such technology on any car.

wahahahaha......
this i got to tabik...

Anybody wanna buy my car? I wanna buy a Waja Campro la

the idea is correct already...

yup, lotus dont create engine because they r niche market. they tried once but it is a failure becoz their market is so little and it is not worth it to pay all the r&d.
BUT their technology in engine is being bought by other car company like volvo, porsche and summore tht i dunno.
variocam in porsche is technology from lotus same with cps n vim in latest volvo 3.0 engine. this cps n vim is the same proton wanna put in their campro.

yeah......but then if proton were to put it in, why didn't they ? are malaysian consumers not worth the technology or is malaysian petrol too cheap ? lets face it. if it really is ready to go it should have been in the gen 2.

if it is planned, we will have to wait for a loooong while unless they really do put it into the next generation satria gti.

So happens that the improvements from the campro is not significant enough to justify the extra cost to implementing them on their cars. Seems like R3 engine mods increases more on the engine compared to Campro.

Disclaimer: The above is what I HEARD, no confirmation on that rumor, but well, people here might be interested anyway.

some minor correction ... the Campro engine was suppost to build for WAJA first... but then due to the cam profiling problem .. the engine has been delay and replace by the 4G18... after 3 years.. they came out with GEN2 .. using Campro WITHOUT Camprofiling but they call it CAMPRO!... then now after another 2 to 3 years.. they put the so call CAMPRO engine into the WAJA and sell it! .. still without CAMPROfiling...

If im not mistaken .. WAJA surface around 1999 ... where the CAMPRO engine should be release together with its CAmprofiling technology but yet delay .. till now it has been like 7 years.. nothing about the CPS technology has been heard yet...

guys, i think we juz have 2 face the truth.. that proton developing any sort of cam profiling system on their engine is juz pure BULLSHIT!!

I have been following the Proton engine development since they announced the SEng ( Small engine ) development which implementing the Cam profiling technology. If I am not mistaken that was somewhere around 6 years ago. After seeing the bullshite that proton produced in Gen 2. I would say it's deceiving. How come you can name it Campro without actual cam profiling technology in it ?

This post has been edited by igor_is300: May 13 2006, 09:05 AM

thats y i said we actually have 2 face the fact now that all that is pure BS!!

i call that .. MARKETING STRATEGY...
u can see nowadays .. those uncle, aunty, kids.. without much knowledge.. they will says .. GEN2 is very good.. bcoz it uses CAMPRO engine!..when u ask them .. what do u know about campro?? .. they will says.. isnt it something like VVTI, VTECH, DVVT.. those kind of stuff??... yea .. SHOULD Be ... but instead .. it is juz a name for it... same as i can name my 4G93P as VTECH .. lolz~

actually, ure kinda rite there.. quite a number of my friend's dads bought gen2, most of em like it coz of the design.. n when asked bout the engine, they all said that its very good, coz its a malaysian made.. most of em doesnt know wat the heck cam profiling is..

one thing to clear it off, the engine maned as CAMPRO is because the cam profile they used is different from the normal engine (and i don't mean performance engine over here).

The engine did some very impressive figure on prototype GEN2, which is 165BHP stock and without CPS. but same as the production, the engine do equipped with VIM system. and thisfigure achieved without violating Euro 4 emmission standard.

but due to the cost problem (plotong alwaysliked to cut cost for profit...) the engine used some rather cheaper material and the horsepower is reduced to the figure shown today......

and to fully boost the ability of the campro, you need some very skilled engineer to tune the ECU up. which none exist in any Klang valley service centers.... but there's one at batu pahat.

for my Gen2, i can have my 0 to 100 kph with near to 9 sec. and this is achieved without the need to fully depress the acceletor.

CAMPRO is a good anddecent engine. for mine, the torque is maintained from range of 2000rpm to 5500rpm. I don't think any of the "normal" japanese car seen in malaysian market have the same capability.

This statement is valid for my 2005 DEC Lennox black HL manual GEN2. i do not sure the previous batch, but I have a friend with 1st batch GEN2 mentioned the same thing.

The 165 HP, was that only an experiment by the company?
Pretty impressive.

With CPS, expect 170-175?

The car still exist. if I'm not mistaken, one in Lotus UK, one in Tg Malim & one in shah alam. built cost is more than RM100k if i'm not mistaken. however, the condition of the car is unknown, rumour says that the car is now used solely on technical training purposes. so i presume that they're dismantled.....

i do not know figures with CPS, but according to enginnering, the gain is 30% with CPS, you do the math.....

Whoa!!!
214.5HP!!!

it's using cheap material, so the hp is reduced... So will it reduce the engine durability if u go tune it up again?

What if they make a 2 litre and put it in that sportscar that Proton's been bragging about many years ago?

It'll have 270HP!!! NA engine somemore!!! Proton could beat Hondas!!!!

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: May 13 2006, 12:40 PM

LOL'ed

They could beat Honda but still stuck with power window problems.

kahkahkah

that will never happen ...lol

You mena torque is maintained from 2000 to 6500 rpm.

any one wants my putra?? .. i wanna sell it d lar.. since Gen2 can outperform my car... somemore Gen2 only pay 1.6 road tax... 1/2 price somemore!!!>.. hehahahhaha

LOL... Ur putra car how many years jor?
Gen 2 interior very nice.. sporty...
Campro engine ok lar...

the reason of not applying CPS n VIM in campro it simple. proton just cannot produce enough engine to cover up the cost back ! if they put the CPS n VIM in campro, they will be losing money every single campro engine they produce with the tech.
example,at the moment only gen 2 n waja using campro engine.
based on february report waja 1.6 is 2258 and gen2 1.6 is 1064.
roughly we take combine of waja n gen2 is 4000 unit a month.
4000 X 12 months is only 48 000 units a year.
tht simply not enough and at the moment, proton will take a long time just to recover the campro R&D money.
so do u think they will put CPS n VIM n lose more money ? unless they can put all the cars with campro. then i guess enough to recover the money back.

if that is so ... please dont name the ENGINE as CAMPRO .. as it does NOT have anything to do with CAM PRofiling..

something to add-on ..

Since they already spend the money to R&D the Cam Profiling system... means the product actually exist ... then why not included it ?? if the not include .. their R&D is totally wasted... better still dont do R&D..???

Take Honda as an Example... honda sell both with VTec and without VTeC ... those without V-TEc is cheaper than those with VTEC. WHy not Gen2 comes with this OPTION?? since as u said .. the CPS is already working juz not implemented into the CAR only.. i believe .. if add thousand to get a Camprofiling system .. sure still got ppl buy one.. summore they dun sell it .. they totally EARN nothing at all!

get wat i mean

btw, do remember.. the Campro engine was suppost to fit in the WAJA first.. b4 the Gen2... its because of Camprofiling .. it has been delay.. and yet . fit to a GEN2 without Profiling and sell it .. and now fit to WAJA .. still without profiling..

how much was a gen2?? around 55k rite?? .. i believe.. if they add CAMPRO (as stated by u that its already working .. juz my 2 cent) ... and they sell it for RM60k .. there will still plenty of ppl buy it ... true or not?

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: May 14 2006, 01:43 AM

options... it something that proton wont do in the future for us.
they dont give us options to put airbags in the car even though oversea like UK got the options to install side airbags.
UK proton cars also got abs, ebd, traction controls. here in msia, for it to be options is also dont have. from all the talk i get from the engineers, it is all becoz of the stupid proton marketing department. they the 1 decide it.

btw, for CPS n VIM to be an options, is not a choice.
becoz in manufacturing world, there is no such thing as options coz to do some n not to do is actually losing money bigger than implement it to all the engines. and summore u must guarantee the order constant all the times.
thts y, even though proton is not selling very good, the factory still produce the car like normal becoz they will keep receiving supply. it is in the contract.

ok, for campro to be implement 1st in WAJA, im not sure about the truthfulness of this news coz there is no black n white news about it. to implement in the waja, they have to do R&D all over again.
btw, do u know why waja campro dont have airbags ? is becoz they need to do crash test again becoz the characteristic of the impact already change. n to do it need money.

ur last statement, even though if they add campro in gen2 n selling for 60k they will still lose money coz the figures of gen2 + waja campro is just not enough in the manufacturing world !!! i forgot aedi where i read but they need to sell around 200,000 cars a year with the same engine for how many years(forgot) just to recover the R&D for the engine !(i totally forgot where i got the figures but this topic hot during 1st proton implement the campro)
thats y u see the same engine is being used for a few generation of cars.

worse still, some of the options that we are given here are suppossed to be standard so you cannot don't want it.

take the lines on the early perdanas ( the lines down the side of the car) they told my dad that although its an optional item, the car must come with it.

but anyway, back to the topic.

theoretically the engine is good. it is suppossed to be a promising design with its futuristic enhancements and features which promises flexible power with minimal effect on fuel economy.

the fact is when compared with their japanese equivalent, they are NOT as good. and don't start telling me about proton is new and don't expect hem to get it right the first time, go and read up hondas history and see what real determination and competitiveness is.

This post has been edited by sakaic: May 14 2006, 08:57 AM

it's maintained "in a 80~100% margin" and it's proven on dyno.

and dear all, Campro do have the VIM.

and one more, the campro maned as campro becaouse the cam profile is different from conventional "normal" engine. although there's no CPS in there.

the same campro system is used to build lotus APX. but in 3.2 litre turbocharged. just for your info

This post has been edited by navigator: May 15 2006, 09:57 AM

Haha bro i mean try revving all the way until 6500rpm, it pulls all the way there..

Don't be so naive. ANY engine, can make 100 horses per litre if its a prototype version. This is because only one engine is made, and it follows all the blueprint of the original sketch. And high quality materials are used. When going down to the mass production pipe, materials are switched to more mass production materials and the engine's tolerances, shape, dimensions and eerything viaries from the original prototype. THat's why in the final product, expect to lose 40-50% of the horse power in the prototype.

Campro is just a normal engine. Nothing to be proud of.

My arse. Tell me what's the "normal" cam profile, and what's the difference between it and the campro's profile. Its just a more aggressive profile, which shows because power is pathetic on the lower ranges and acceptable on the higher ranges. While everybody is targeting more torque for the normal drivers, Proton decides to go for high range powers with not many people will ever use. That's the only "genious" in the campro design. As for VIM, that's for variable intake manifold. I beg you to open the engine hood and point out where the mechanism lie. So far I only see one tube from the air intake to the intake manifold. Show me the second, shorter tube please.

And so what if the campro system is in the APX? We'll probably never see that car in malaysia due to its braindead aluminium chassis which Proton does not have the capability to build yet. Building a huge engine is easy. Building an engine that has 100 horses/litre is not. And proton is good at NOT being able to do the second one.

your arse got campro???hahahahaa...

Seen Waja Campro yesterday. Quite good looking inside.

Didn't get to inspect the inside a little further though, can't tell the quality.

If you have read the star RM50 winner column recently, you will remmember that a Gen2 was burned

dun bring up this topic .. it will causes flaming!..

btw, the gen2 burn because had an accident... hit another car..

OK, then we wait till year 2020 and see how things going on.....
CAMPRO... Coning Anticipative Malaysian PROgram

Waja Campro is very nice the interior, way better than the Saga Special Edition

Campro or Campor ?

btw anyone turbocharge this engine or not ?
maybe can produce 200HP leh ....
then someone would really sell his/her civic @180HP